Is Yellowstone going to erupt this year? [Archive]

lotrfan553455

Nov 12th, 2003, 5:13 PM

I know I'm posting a lot of new topics right now but they all seem to be important. Well anyways, here it is:

Jacob Lowenstern, a researcher for the U.S. Geological Survey and scientist-in-charge of the Yellowstone Volcano Observatory said: "Our goal is to understand what's driving this volcanic system, and are there indications it could be moving into a period of unrest? [5]

This worrying situation was confirmed on September 8 by Dr. Bruce Cornet, a geologist and paleobotanist with the USGS, who explained: "Steam pressure is apparently building again in Yellowstone, and hydrothermal fluids and steam are working their way up through fractures and vents. If more steam vents appear, that means a continuous pathway for pressure release has been established to the magma chamber. If that happens, the pressure in the magma chamber will continue to drop until it reaches a critical stage when the superheated water within the magma explodes. Unfortunately, as the steam venting subsides, there will be a false sense of security. People will think it was just another cyclical event, and the danger is over. But that will be the farthest from the truth. It will be the quiet before the storm." [6]

Initially this should be of little or no consequence to anyone apart from those planning to visit Yellowstone . . . except for one thing. Lurking beneath Yellowstone National Park is one of the most destructive natural phenomena in the world: a massive supervolcano.

Only a handful exist in the world but when one erupts the explosion will be heard around the globe. The sky will darken, black acid rain will fall, and the Earth will be plunged into the equivalent of a nuclear winter. It could push humanity to the brink of extinction.

Volcanoes have always been a threat to humanity. The Tambora eruption in Indonesia in 1815 killed more than 90,000 people, while the Krakatau eruption in 1883, also in Indonesia, killed 36,000. The last supervolcano to erupt was Toba in Sumatra 74,000 years ago. It created a global catastrophe that dramatically affected life on Earth. Toba blasted so much ash and sulphur dioxide into the stratosphere that it blocked out the sun, causing the Earth's temperature to plummet, and possibly reducing the population on Earth to just a few thousand people. For a long time scientists have known that volcanic ash can affect the global climate. The fine ash and sulphur dioxide blasted into the stratosphere reflects solar radiation back into space and stops sunlight reaching the planet. Temperatures drop dramatically and nothing grows, causing mass starvation.

Bill McGuire, professor of geohazards at the Benfield Greig Hazard Research Centre at University College London, says that America's Yellowstone Park is one of the largest and most dangerous supervolcanoes in the world. "The Yellowstone volcano can be likened to a sleeping dragon," says Professor McGuire, "whose slow breathing brings repeated swelling and sinking of the Earth's crust in northern Wyoming and southern Montana."

Professor McGuire went on to explain that: "Many supervolcanoes are not typical hill-shaped structures but huge, collapsed craters called "calderas" that are filled with hot magma and are harder to detect. The Yellowstone supervolcano was detected in the Sixties when infra-red satellite photographs revealed a magma-filled caldera 85km long and 45km wide. It has been on a regular eruption cycle of 600,000 years. The last eruption was 640,000 years ago, so the next is long overdue."

Volcanologists have been tracking the movement of magma under the park and have calculated that in parts of Yellowstone the ground has risen over seventy centimetres, almost two and a half feet, since 1923, indicating a massive swelling underneath the park.

"The impact of a Yellowstone eruption is terrifying to comprehend." says Professor McGuire. "Magma would be flung 50 kilometres into the atmosphere. Within a thousand kilometres virtually all life would be killed by falling ash, lava flows and the sheer explosive force of the eruption. One thousand cubic kilometres of lava would pour out of the volcano, enough to coat the whole of the USA with a layer 5 inches thick. The explosion would be the loudest noise heard by man for 75,000 years."

The long-term effects would be even more devastating. The thousands of cubic kilometres of ash that would shoot into the atmosphere would block out light from the sun, making global temperatures collapse. This is called a nuclear winter. A large percentage of the world's plant life would be killed by the ash and the drop in temperature. The resulting change in the world's climate would devastate the planet, and scientists know that another eruption is due - they just don't know when.

Michael Rampino, a geologist at New York University, quoted in a BBC Horizon documentary on Supervolcanoes [7] three years ago explained: "It's difficult to conceive of an eruption this big. It's really not a question of if it'll go off, it's a question of when, because sooner or later one of these large super eruptions will happen."

Professor McGuire says "There's nowhere to hide from the effects of a supervolcano. One day - perhaps tomorrow, perhaps in fifty years, perhaps in 10,000 - it will erupt; once again wreaking devastation across the North American continent and bringing the bitter cold of Volcanic Winter to Planet Earth. Mankind may become extinct."

So the rumblings currently going on underneath Yellowstone should be a warning not just to those who plan to visit the National Park, but to the whole world. If the increased thermal activity is the precursor to an eruption event, we may well be on the brink of the biggest catastrophe the modern world has ever witness

whiplash7555

Nov 12th, 2003, 5:32 PM

Yeah, I read a similar story last week I think...

There is absouloutly NO way anyone can determine when yellowstone is supposed to errupt. THey can only simply state and reiterate that it is over due, and has been for quite some time.

I know if a volcano that size erupts it will have the "nuclear winter" effect (the sun blocked by the ash/dust) and life could eventually die from the cold / lack of food... But does anyone know the immediate damage? Would the area under yellowstone simply cave in, or would it seriously tear a hole through part of the country?

lotrfan553455

Nov 12th, 2003, 5:36 PM

I read somewhere that everything within 600-1000 miles of the blast zone would be decimated, I don't know anything about it tearing a hole though.

lazserus

Nov 12th, 2003, 6:39 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I know if a volcano that size erupts it will have the "nuclear winter" effect [/quote]
That really depends on the size of the eruption. Large valconoes erupt all the time, but not always at their maximum strength.

If Yellowstone erupts at full strength we're all doomed. I kind of hope it does. I'm getting bored. :cool:

Smersh999

Nov 12th, 2003, 8:17 PM

Lotr that's certainly a very alarming post you made there. It seems to be the closest yet in remarks by respectable scientists that Yellowstone may, indeed possibly be about to erupt. Reading through it, the scientists don't seem to be actually saying that (it's about to erupt), but they certainly seem to be showing increasing signs of concern.

Do you have any links for your sources on this info?

Bigsky770

Nov 12th, 2003, 9:28 PM

I knew months ago that something was up at Yellowstone, Press releases have been very hard to come by (as rare as hens' teeth) I've even heard speculation by a few that "politics" (there's that nasty word again) played into part of this, as many businesses stand to lose alot of income if people really knew what was going on there- -People are'nt so ready to make a tourist stop to impending doom. One article I had read back in July stated that vegetation near steam vents was coated with a fine white-grayish "powder", (never seen before) BUT DANCED ALL AROUND quite carefully in NOT CALLING IT "ASH". . .
Only time will tell, but instinct tells ME that this is a BOMB getting ready to blow. . .

"Duck and Cover" Joe (Bigsky770)

JoePublicJagoan

Nov 12th, 2003, 10:17 PM

I'm within 1000K of Yellowstone, so when the activity subsides you can bet I'm not going to stick around to find out what happens in Denver.

Bigsky770

Nov 13th, 2003, 1:04 AM

The following excerpt was more on what Dr. Bruce Cornet had to say on the subject of "Yellowstone" September of this year;

Dr. Bruce Cornet's recent analysis of Yellowstone Super-Volcano
Mt. Sheriden has been rumbling (15+ micro-quakes) between 1:00 pm and now (9/7/03). There were three small
earthquakes at Yellowstone lake between 10:00 am and 1:00 pm MT (9/7/03), which were felt at Norris Junction.
There were some small quakes between Midnight and 6:00 am (9/7/03) at Norris Junction. There was a whole string
of micro-quakes (25 or more) at Madison River between 6:00 am and now, which are continuing. There have been
sporadic micro-quakes (32+) all day at Mammoth Hot Springs. Micro-quakes started around Noon and have
continued to the present at Mirror Lake Plateau. All in all, activity is picking up from a lull for about two weeks,
before which a series of small and large quakes (including a 4.4) occurred. That quake prompted the web report.
Steam pressure is apparently building again, and hydrothermal fluids and steam are working their way up through
fractures and vents. I do not expect anything unusual or extreme to happen in the immediate future, but if the trend
continues, and the number of earthquakes gradually increase with time, more warnings from geologists will ensue.
What you should be alert to is any report that mentions increasing geyser activity, with new fumaroles and steam
vents appearing near or on top of the rising dome. The dome has risen about three feet in the past few years, and
magma has risen to within 3.7 km of the surface based on quake data. Earthquake loci measured to within 0.5 km
under Mt. St. Helens, and people still didn't think it would erupt.
But everything has to be scaled up for Yellowstone, meaning that 3.7 km is not a safe depth. Ground temperatures
in the northwestern part of the park are apparently on the rise (up to 200 dg F in some places), killing the
vegetation. Large areas of the park are now closed, including areas with geysers, because their water temperature
is now scalding and dangerous for visitors.
If more steam vents appear, that means a continuous pathway for pressure release has been established to the
magma chamber. If that happens, the pressure in the magma chamber will continue to drop until it reaches a
critical stage when the superheated water within the magma explodes. When that happens the super-volcano will
blow violently, blowing out a chunk of its cap-rock and sending millions of cubic feet of ash into the atmosphere in a
Pompeii-like explosion, but 100,000 times worse.
When you hear those reports, you will have about two days to “get out of Dodge” before the eruption.
Unfortunately, as the steam venting subsides, there will be a false sense of security. People will think it was just
another cyclical event, and the danger is over. But that will be the farthest from the truth. It will be the quiet before
the storm. A major earthquake will suddenly rock their towns for hundreds of kilometers around Yellowstone, and
soon thereafter 1,000+ degree pyroclastic flows will descend on them at hundreds of miles per hour, extending out
to 600+ km.
That 600 km radius around the caldera will experience total devastation. The next 600 km out may receive as much
as 5-10 feet of ash, depending on wind direction. The thickness of ash will decrease away from the super-volcano,
but will reach the crop belt in the Midwest (Missouri, Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska, etc.), destroying most of the fertile
croplands of the United States. California will be hit hard by falling ash, with its central wine valley severely
damaged (the French will love it). Agriculture will have to shift east of the Mississippi for years. The Garden State
will once again live up to its name.
In northern Idaho you will have to contend with several feet of ash and isolation. Roads will be closed. Power will
be out. Phones will be out. Communication will depend on Ham radios and local stations that have generators.
Rescue will take weeks or months. Some areas will never see rescue teams. The survivalists will be best prepared to
make it through the difficult months following the eruption. Make new friends. Have plenty of dust masks on hand,
because you cannot breath any airborne ash if you want to avoid lung disease. It's what caused mass kills of plains
animals 12 million years ago, resulting in extensive bone beds beneath the ash. Drinkable water will sell at the price
of gold.
To recap, I don't expect anything to happen in the near future. But with such an unpredictable event, being
prepared is your best ticket to survival."
(Dr. Bruce Cornet)

Paints a pretty grim sceanario, does'nt it?
Joe (Bigsky770)

Smersh999

Nov 13th, 2003, 10:57 AM

Just did a Google search on "Dr Bruce Cornet Yellowstone" and found plenty of references to this, but nothing from either a .edu or .gov site, which would really have got me worried. Anyway, seems to be plenty of evidence that he did say those words, so it's still a cause for concern I think.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>soon thereafter 1,000+ degree pyroclastic flows will descend on them at hundreds of miles per hour, extending out to 600+ km.[/quote]

Saw a TV documentary on volcanoes and pyroclastic flows a few months ago. Part of the program referred to a scientist who was killed when trying to phorograph a pyroclastic flow as it was rushing down towards him.

This quote taken from: volcanoes.usgs.gov/Produc...oFlow.html (http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Products/Pglossary/PyroFlow.html) :-

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>A pyroclastic flow is a ground-hugging avalanche of hot ash, pumice, rock fragments, and volcanic gas that rushes down the side of a volcano as fast as 100 km/hour or more. The temperature within a pyroclastic flow may be greater than 500° C, sufficient to burn and carbonize wood. Once deposited, the ash, pumice, and rock fragments may deform (flatten) and weld together because of the intense heat and the weight of the overlying material. [/quote]

There is a photo on that web page I gave the link for that shows a pyroclastic flow, rushing down the side of Mayon Volcano in the Phillipines. I have a feeling that this was the photo taken by the scientist just before he was tragically killed when he was engulfed by the very fast moving flow, that ws reported in the TV documentary I saw.

Btw Lotrfan, I just changed your topic title a little bit.

Bigsky770

Nov 13th, 2003, 11:32 AM

I read your post Smersh, and see that you seem to have hit the same "brick wall" I have. . .
All of the Gov't sites, (or) anything connected even remotely to the "tourist trade" aspect of this seems to lack the same intensity of detail, thought and reporting on the occurances @ Yellowstone- -
We in the States refer to this type of reporting as "fluff", talks aot but really does'nt spell-out what is really going on. . .
Examples;
1. Seismograph readings that indicate quakes ABOVE 3 are earmarked in red; Preliminary reporting from the instrumentation on-site MAY indicate a 3; Rather quickly, (after review by a seismologist) they are "downgraded" to below that, I suspect to relieve concern. I try to beat them to the punch, (have been successful @ X's) at getting the reports BEFORE they are summarily downgraded. It's simple, I just want to know the truth, afraid that I am not hearing it from them.
2. Like the example I outlined above, press releases are very careful in what they (DO or DON'T) say, perhaps to the level of providing a danger to park visitors.
3. What I am hearing is even at this late time of year, ground temps. are still hovering around the 200 F.
degree mark, much vegetation near the newest vents and fumeroles is dead or dying, this accompanied with animal life- -
4. The chronic "wasting disease" that has affected much of the wildlife in the region- -marked increase in the number of cases, also very hard to find info. if there may be a relativistic connection here. . (Surely SOMEONE had to look into this?)

Anyone with any thought on this,
(or additional info- - )
PLEASE POST!! Joe (Bigsky770)

lotrfan553455

Nov 13th, 2003, 5:32 PM

I dont have anything to contribute yet but the Laz seems like he has some interest in it so that must mean its true! :evil:

I got that topic from the onlinejournal news (onlinejournal.com) , I lost the URL becouse I cleared by history but it should be there somewhere.

Shipwreck

Nov 15th, 2003, 6:00 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Saw a TV documentary on volcanoes and pyroclastic flows a few months ago. Part of the program referred to a scientist who was killed when trying to phorograph a pyroclastic flow as it was rushing down towards him.[/quote]

That probably was referring to Maurice and Katya Krafft. They, and about 20 others were killed by a pyroclastic flow on Mt. Unzen in Japan in the early 90's.

Smersh999

Nov 16th, 2003, 9:57 AM

Hi Shipwreck and welcome to the board. :)

Yes you may well be correct I'm not certain. Actually as I remember it, they were filming the pyroclastic flow and the footage showed it rushing towards them, then cut off as it hit them but somehow the camera and footage survived. Thought only one scientist was killed though, not 20, but then I guess there would be a team. What a tragedy...

Here's the picture of the pyroclastic flow from the USGS site. I remember from the movie footage I saw that it must be pretty frightening to see this coming towards you at about 100 mph ...

<img src="http://pluto.imagemagician.com/images/smersh999/Pyroclastic01.jpg" style="border:0;"/>

Bigsky770

Nov 17th, 2003, 8:46 AM

If I was never quite certain before that a "conspiracy of silence" had existed i.e. the reporting of siesmic activity @ Yellowstone Nat'l Park, I am now. A
significant event had occurred late Nov. 16th, @ 23:06 minutes and 30 seconds that registered on over 90% of the webicorder instrumentation in both the Yellowstone (and) Utah regions. Unlike "events" that have occurred in the past, this time I can not even receive a "preliminary report" on this event, no doubt none will be released until they can "downgrade" this one thus in an attempt to alleviate concerns in the regards of this.
Makes me wonder how long they plan on manipulating this data until it is too late for people to act on it?

Throughly disgusted,
Joe (Bigsky770)

VegasRonin

Nov 17th, 2003, 9:05 AM

That's right, you're a Geologist huh Joe? I first started thinking about it when they closed off parts of the park about 2 months or so ago. I never really payed much attention to this thread but I think I shall start.

Hoodlum

Nov 17th, 2003, 9:56 AM

riot these bastards who are withholding info

Bigsky770

Nov 17th, 2003, 2:30 PM

For any interested parties;
Yellowstone National Park Information on seismographs
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp
Go to; www.seis.utah.edu/helicor...llowstone/ (http://www.seis.utah.edu/helicorder/heli/yellowstone/)

What appears will be a “table” of webicorder stations;
(4 [four] New stations went on-line within the past week). They are;
stations
YTP_EHZ_WY (The Promontory, Yellowstone Park, WY)

YML_EHZ_WY (Mary Lake, Yellowstone Park, WY)

YJC_EHZ_WY (Joseph’s Coat, Yellowstone Park, WY)

YHH_EHZ_WY (Holmes Hill, Yellowstone Park, WY).

The listing(s) will have the seismographic records for any given day within the past week,
Click on the date 11/16/2003; scroll down to see the event of concern

As of this writing, it does not appear as an “event” on the maps available,
But seismographs don’t lie- - -make me curious as to how long it should be before they restrict this data that it should not reach the “public eye”?
Something’s up folks! (and we are NOT being told!)8o

Joe (Bigsky770)

annabelly

Nov 17th, 2003, 3:36 PM

Whoa! Thats scary 8o

lotrfan553455

Nov 17th, 2003, 5:03 PM

What the hell, half of them are all huge zigzag lines, it seems like there is a constant earthquakes. Look at them, the zigzags are reaching all the way to the next one up and down...HOPEFULY this is "normal" but it sure don't seem like it. All the other communities I visit seem to say its gonna blow. One of them is a theoretical astophysist with a PH.D!! (James Mccaney)

My prediction is by the 23rd (big sun spots will rotate back) that page will no longer exist.

Hoodlum

Nov 19th, 2003, 8:02 AM

yesterday i checked the seismographs and the earthquake report. in that one day there had been about 4 earthquakes on a 1-3 scale. For some reason 2 of them were taken off of the chart. Hmm. Check out those extreme seismo readings. ive been watching them for 2 days now, they seem very unstable. Prepare for the end my friends, stock up on food and water...

Hoodlum

Nov 19th, 2003, 8:11 AM

ive also noticed that on the seismographs the most activity occurs during the day over there. Could this be because when the sun comes up it begins to heat the core area of the earth in which yellowstone is? i believe the sun is play a big part...

Hoodlum

Nov 19th, 2003, 8:13 AM

i just noticed ANOTHER seismograph went online yesterday!!! there must be something up for them to put another up even after the other 4 in one week.

VegasRonin

Nov 19th, 2003, 8:44 AM

Is Yellowstone going to erupt this year? By now everyone knows its a Caldera. What's the reason for your answer?

Wesh

Nov 19th, 2003, 1:56 PM

i voted no... well because of several reasons...

1. i dont hope so
2. if its gonna erupt this year, then i think we would have seen more signs (smoke comming out of it, many more earthquakes)and stuff like that
3. i realy dont hope so

:)

DerekN

Nov 19th, 2003, 3:05 PM

There's no data to suggest that the lava in the caldera is receding, which is the sign that it's ready to erupt. I don't think it will happen in the next year.

Bigsky770

Nov 20th, 2003, 6:38 PM

I said yes, but I HOPE I'm WRONG. . . . .
The evidence I've seen seems to suggest it's likely. Only time will tell.

Joe (Bigsky770)

deathking

Nov 21st, 2003, 4:10 AM

i have just got scientific conformation from a source in washington that the yellow stone national park is about to erupt. they estimate that it will be erupting in 4 days. this is becasue of seismic activty around the park which is more than certain to do with the eruption of the park.
if this is true what shall we do. people have already started to evacute around the park but this isnt enough.
please take this seriously as this is important.

i am already digging down and building a bunker.
i suggest you do the same.
:indiffere

deathking

Nov 21st, 2003, 4:23 AM

they have confirmed they is a reduced structual integrity of the crust. areas around the lake have moved vertically 3.2 metres. aslo the ground has heated 5.2 degrees above standard temperture.

Bigsky770

Nov 21st, 2003, 4:57 AM

Deathking,
Welcome, and thanks for the information- - - Could you please provide me with links? Would like to review.

Sincerely, Joe (Bigsky770)

deathking

Nov 21st, 2003, 5:18 AM

the links are confidental in conformity to the national safety. but if you will like to know further details you can ring me on : 0115 9251892

Hoodlum

Nov 21st, 2003, 6:48 AM

is this for real? thanks for the info im going to get ready for this. how can i verify this? do you think this will reach the media soon?

Bigsky770

Nov 21st, 2003, 7:24 AM

Deathking,
I thank-You for the phone no.#, But it is not possible for me to call you from where I am; (the cost would be extremely prohibative) I live in a very mountainous isolated region, just to get service dial-up I have to "piggy-back" via a very small local carrier that is a little better than two tin-cans and a string.
If at all possible I would appreciate any info. you could forward me to ; Bigsky770@aol.com
I guarantee that I will not forward any information that I should receive from you by any means. After viewing I also guarantee that I will erase any tracks.

In Appreciation, Joe (Bigsky770)

dutchie

Nov 21st, 2003, 7:58 AM

Where do you live, Joe? (approx)

Bigsky770

Nov 21st, 2003, 8:22 AM

Dutchie,
I live within the Appalachian mountains, SE Kentucky. . .
Heavily wooded area- - -I think that fellah that did those wild-life shows was here once looking for rattlesnakes (which he found) Jeff Corwin I think his name is?
Came here (myself) in 1991- - -was tired of the "city", fell in love with this area and the fact that you can go outside @ night and see ALL THE STARS in the sky. . .:smile2:

Joe (Bigsky770)

Sirius

Nov 21st, 2003, 8:25 AM

They cannot predict a volcano erpution of anykind that acurately, this guy is lieing :mad:

Hoodlum

Nov 21st, 2003, 8:35 AM

of course they can predict it if the grounds swelling 3.2 meters and theyre evacuating. listen to this guy , im gonna call him and have a talk.. im really concerned that this is it... start stocking up friends

Hoodlum

Nov 21st, 2003, 8:43 AM

as i look at the seismic readings of the park, it seems unusually quiet today, as if the ground is maybe swelling but not violently shaking yet...

maybe this is the begining before the eruption, soon there will most likely be violent shaking off the charts!

Hvyarms

Nov 21st, 2003, 9:16 AM

GUYS OMG!!!! I just got some amazingly secret leet government and scientific evidence that says Aliens are comming in 4 days!!!!!. They have been monitoring these Aliens for years now and they finally have confirmation that they are comming to ATTACK and will be here in FOUR DAYS!!! I dont know about all of you but I'm going to go run to the store and buy some bleach so I can drink alot of it and kill myself before they come!!! I suggest everyone stock up on bleach so we all dont have to go through the torture!!!

..../sarcasm off.

A classic characteristic of psychological patients is that they hear voices or see things or think things will come yet can provide no rational proof no matter what you ask them. They set it up in their own mindset so that the characters or items or things they are talking about cant be disproven because its always "classified" or cant be shown.

If ya'll really think that in 4 days yellowstone is going to erupt then I cant wait till 4 days from now so I can laugh my a$$ off at all of you for being so gullable. Some wacko who is a brand new poster comes to the boards and claims he has scientific information and government information that it will blow and you all believe him.... rofl.

Hoodlum

Nov 21st, 2003, 9:21 AM

ima call and find out

deathking

Nov 21st, 2003, 10:24 AM

im a vulcanologist of 10 years, i know what im talking about.:pimp:

Bigsky770

Nov 21st, 2003, 10:26 AM

Actually, I had already gotten that latest report about the aliens arriving in 4 (four) days. The "revised" report finds that the Gov't just did not know it (at the time) BUT the 'aliens' are already here. Apparently, the aliens were habitating an area of caverns near the mid-atlantic ridge where they were transporting humans for science experiments lost in the Bermuda triangle. The "attack" you spoke of was postponed for 1 extra day, that was when the "mothership" was to arrive with the main vanguard of the attack force from planet c506t. The postponement was due to a "scout" ship that had encountered a methane-bubble which ignited with a static charge from their main engines. Luckily for the aliens one of Garthok's Bumpasauruses' was in the area, and the aliens rode to a nearby island on the back of this extremely large beast. (traitorous bastard bumpasaurus!)
And a final note; if you would like to spare yourself the torture, don't use bleach- -use liquid Drano. (better to buy and consume 2 economy size bottles) Better for you to err on the side of; "do I have enough to do the trick"?

Only too glad to be of service,
Joe (Bigsky770)

deathking

Nov 21st, 2003, 10:34 AM

hahahahahah. oh my god. i only subscibed for fun man. i heard about this yellow stone on this site. all i said was not real and im made it up.you guys need to chill out about life. good god. ur like' oh no the end of the world'. why would you like to discuss how the world will end. ive only looked at about 2 threads on this site and im in a state of depression.
i dont know what to say. u lot r sooooo paranoid and gullable.
anyway i dont think ill be replying on these forums again and more than likely my user name will be locked.
so bye bye.:D :D :D

deathking

Nov 21st, 2003, 10:38 AM

by the way. whoever used my pass to post the thread . nice one. im a 10 year vulcanologist. probably kirk but whotever:D :D :D :D

Bigsky770

Nov 21st, 2003, 10:54 AM

This is why I ask for "links". (90% of which turn out to be bull, BUT, one never knows. . . )
Oh, yeah- - -On yer way home don't forget to stop at the market and purchase some drain opener. (explained uses for this in post previous to this):D enjoy.

Happy trails to you, (and don't let
the door hit you in the bum)
Joe (Bigsky770)

Hvyarms

Nov 21st, 2003, 11:17 AM

I'm gonna go buy some of that liquid draino stuff just in case them aliens team up with the volcano people and the big birds in alaska,.... never can be too careful.

Hoodlum

Nov 21st, 2003, 11:20 AM

time to get rid of this loser. deathking you are a royal faggot and u will get mutilated

DemonHunter

Nov 21st, 2003, 11:21 AM

I have to admit i was s*****g myself. Ah well maybe i need to chill out a bit........:embarrass

Hoodlum

Nov 21st, 2003, 11:34 AM

i was taking ti way to seriously as well, but maybe if this ass**** didnt get on the forums then we wouldnt have to worry about it.

SeekNDestroy

Nov 21st, 2003, 3:04 PM

There's a lesson to be learnt here guys...

Bigsky770

Nov 21st, 2003, 3:50 PM

Thank-You Mike,
Words of wisdom for us all :)
But, seriously people, don't be so hard on yourselves, there is a reason why you are here IN THIS FORUM,
AND it cannot be denied that we live in the most amazing times this planet has ever seen.
Learn to laugh about the "jokers", even they are truly necessary to help us all maintain our "grips" on our sanity- - -
Who here has not heard of "foxhole Humour"?

Joe (Bigsky770)

Bigsky770

Nov 21st, 2003, 6:05 PM

There is one more thing I would like to add to this, just so people know and we can maintain an "information exchange" of a sort going.
Please do not be disheartened at these most recent 'posts' from someone who is making 'light' of this situation in seeking more info (or) relaying that which you should 'discover' here on this message board. Sometimes YOU MAY come across with news items or bits and pieces before I do,
I just believe it is crucial in assembling this information BECAUSE it may save lives.
There IS A CONSPIRACY OF SILENCE (proven fact) in that information which the Gov't is passing on through all Gov't-funded web-sites. . .
Just check-out info. from 'Jakob Lowenstern' (and) Dr. Bruce Cornet, this will lead you to many links that will give you better more detailed information on the ground temps, seismic activity, fumurol and vent development, as well as ground deformation.
I promise (myself) in my discussing of "Yellowstone" I will maintain only the highest degree of seriousness and diligence in the reporting/relaying of info. on this park.
When you are talking about people's lives, some 'discipline' is essential and should be maintained. . . .

Joe (Bigsky770)

VegasRonin

Nov 21st, 2003, 9:10 PM

I rather enjoyed that and I kind of feel guilty for the emotion. If Yellowstone was really near eruption, you'd be hearing it all over the television and airwaves.:smokin:

Bigsky770

Nov 22nd, 2003, 12:07 AM

Ya know Vegas, what concerns me is that I am not so sure that we would (hear about the information). Even if the event seems "imminent" by the most recent data that UUSS receives, they may choose not to relay this info to the public, (because of the "politics" involved here,) in that I think might have hopes that the most recent activity is just a "blip" on their radar screens, and that it will pass.
There is more (of the nature of "science" politics) in that If they should report that a(n) eruption @ "Yellowstone"is "imminent" AND NONE OCCURS, someone's going to be feasting on humble pie for a while. Also there is a chance that if they should announce publicly the aforementioned and no "event" occurs, there is a danger in that the public may not take future announcements so seriously. To those that study these events and are trying to find those distinctive characteristics that are displayed just previous to an "event", absolute certainty is necessary. Events of this nature demand it.

Joe (Bigsky770)

VegasRonin

Nov 22nd, 2003, 12:20 AM

They would tell us, I'm positive. I've seen updates on Yellowstone on Both FOX and CNN. Its got the professional's attention now. They're doing their best but its very hard to predict an event like an eruption. I was born and raised in Hawaii and our volcanoe would shake and smoke all the time. When it erupted, it just did it. There wasn't any real warning other than we knew it would, we just didn't know when.

Bigsky770

Nov 22nd, 2003, 4:05 AM

VegasRonin,
Perhaps if enough attention IS DIRECTED @ the issue, they'll have no choice but to disclose all of the data they possess- - I sincerely hope that you are right, my friend. . . .

Joe (Bigsky770)

bbbv3.5

Nov 22nd, 2003, 9:35 AM

People. I watched a discovery channel show and it said they are three active ones. There ARE 4 UNACTIVE. Italy, Hawaii and Australia all have active super volcanoes. Yellowstone, one in china and indonesia are all unactive. He is just trying to trick yyou. All these eathquakes, discovery said that it was just a routine that happens every 100 years. Yellowstone quakes alot for 1 year. You people, this would be a worldwide thing. Not just something on a talk show.

bbbv3.5

Nov 24th, 2003, 5:56 PM

Do you think yellowstone will erupt in our lifetime? Tell me your replies

bbbv3.5

Nov 24th, 2003, 5:57 PM

MY QUOTE

B.B.B- Bad Boy Baby

lotrfan55345

Nov 24th, 2003, 8:52 PM

Jeez, your right! Just about 3 hours ago the lines were really zigzagy on the chart, now they are straight (on the same locale). Why do they have to withhold info?!?!?

Our taxes are at work here!

lotrfan55345

Nov 24th, 2003, 9:09 PM

I voted "yes" becouse: increasd solar-flaring(sun going bonkers), James Mccanney said so, government "photoshopping" the seismograph pictures, bulge not recieving, 2/3 of park closed.

I do hope I'm wrong :Ohwell:

Bigsky770

Nov 24th, 2003, 11:40 PM

I'm glad that you have been checking out the site, Iotrfan,
seems now you are discovering some of the same stuff Smersh and myself have come up against. . .
Try to understand, (from their perspective) there is a MASSIVE tourist trade that goes on in that area- - Their businesses rely heavily on the income from tourists both on and off-season, As well as the local Gov't(s) in the area who are helped by the "taxes" and revenues this brings.
Actually, there is no "off-season" in Yellowstone- - -When winter comes, its' snow-mobile and ski season.
My fear is that in their greed to line their own pockets, they may try to cover-up just how bad its' gotten- - -
Already it is at the point whereas people cannot stand but to cut their visits short for the stench of "Sulfur" that permeates the air- - -This already accounts for inncalculable losses as people would rather depart than stay and spend.
I look for them to be more open when they can see that people are just not interested in coming there anymore- - After that, What have they got to lose? all the money will have gone anyway. . .

Joe (Bigsky770)

MetalMilitia

Nov 24th, 2003, 11:42 PM

Maybe not in out lifetime, maybe not even during the reign of man but I like to keep the idea open simply because they have been monitoring for years, and have recorded measurements that prove something is going on below the surface. The ground has been expanding and rising, and I guess only time will tell...

...meh...

Hoodlum

Nov 25th, 2003, 8:33 AM

i talked to a lady who took a trip to yellowstone, and she verified that there IS a fine grey whitish ash on the vegetation! The sulfur is a very unbearable smell.

TwilightKing

Nov 25th, 2003, 11:22 AM

I voted yes.....no particular reason, maybe I'm just a pessimist (or maybe an optimist?)..................:sick:

TwilightKing

Nov 25th, 2003, 11:24 AM

What do you think, bbb? Tell us YOUR reply!

SeekNDestroy

Nov 25th, 2003, 12:02 PM

Jesus, of course it might erupt in the next year, but then space monsters might come and eat us all first.

There is no evidence at all suggesting an eruption in the next year, and if it was going to we could expect some. There is no evidence the activity at the moment is unusual, we've been monitoring for only a tiny time. It's like an alien monitoring a human for 2 seconds and concluding breathing was unusual.

lotrfan55345

Nov 25th, 2003, 5:09 PM

I believe you but other people wont. Could you record thay in any way? It's ok if you dont...

lotrfan55345

Nov 25th, 2003, 5:13 PM

I think it will becouse:

-Increased solar activity

-Government clearly editing the seismographs (see "Head of YVO says that Yellow stone might erupt soon")

-They closed 2/3 of the park

-Bulge getting bigger and warmer

-Vegitation is dying becouse ground temp is 200 F +

-Two people claim they have talked to people saying that it is really bad in Yellowstone.

MetalMilitia

Nov 26th, 2003, 4:16 AM

very true lotr, yet you hear practically nothing on any major US news source... I wonder why...?

Yes bbb. You probably dismiss all of this as fantasy, what do you think?

bbbv3.5

Nov 26th, 2003, 9:21 PM

LOTR. I looked into it. Ummm....2/3 of the park? Not really. Yellowstone park is an image of amercian beauty. Not death and chaos. Yes...to me its a fantasy. If there is something i dont want it to erupt(for the obvious reasons). I think it will erupt. Not in our lifetime.

bbbv3.5

Nov 26th, 2003, 9:41 PM

LOTR, If you are right about 2/3 of the park...ok.

Yellowstone has to have some volcanos in it. Come on, there are eruptions and earthquakes everyday. So it is probably all magma under neath it. I still think something as beautiful as yellowstone would be deserted and ugly if it were a volcano. It might become like that. In the next 500 years. Then i will be worried. Oh, i forgot. I will be dead already. I think God will not let the world die just like that. I am not the most religous person, but i dont think God will make armageddon like any of the things on this site. But it is a nice website. 90,000 hits(nice job!).

Legolos ROCKS!

B.B.B

Bad Boy Baby

FlamesMistress9

Nov 27th, 2003, 4:23 AM

I voted no because I really don't think it's going to erupt. If it was going to erupt there would have been more prevalent signs and it would be a huge deal in the news.

bbbv3.5

Nov 27th, 2003, 6:43 AM

I believe the super volcanoes aint eruptin for a while.

B.B.B

Bad Boy Baby

SladeLoD

Nov 28th, 2003, 5:25 AM

Taking everything into consideration concerning Yellowstone i would think that it just may erupt soon,Remember,,there is a geologist by the name of Larry Parks who is an expert in these things had given it 18 to 24 months untill it erupted.The big thing about Yellowstone is that it is something that geologists really do not have any great experience with,therefore they are finding it somewhat difficult to predict.The geologist all do agree to some extent that Yellowstone is going to erupt,,,,They just do not know when.

bbbv3.5

Nov 28th, 2003, 7:57 AM

18-24 months. They are not sure. They said it was going to erupt this summer too. I dont think it will erupt in out lifetime. Do you think it will?Slade?

B.B.B Bad Boy Baby

Krazy

Nov 28th, 2003, 12:05 PM

Nah, not in my lifetime. Every and all "World Enders" Are waiting for me to die, they love me :)

Krazy

Nov 28th, 2003, 12:10 PM

3 words: No It Won't.

SladeLoD

Nov 29th, 2003, 2:52 AM

bbb,,,Well..with all the events that just occured in Yellowstone ,it just might,,I think the thing to watch is to see what happens again next May or so.I live in Wyoming and when time allows in the spring i might take a trip there to see for myself,that is if i can access some of those areas.The only thing we can do for now is to watch the USGS sites for what they provide,evaluate the info for what it is and make our own judgements.I really don't think that we will be provided any good information until an eruption is certain from the USGS.Remeber this,,The USGS geologists are just learning about Yellowstone and super volcanoes,,somewhat new to them,and difficult to predict.

Sirius

Nov 29th, 2003, 7:35 AM

It's logical to assume that the volcano will erupt in our lifetime, since it's some 40,000 years overdue. But you must not forget that our lifetime compaired to the eruption timeline is very minute, and the likelyhood of it exploding in our lifetime is very small at best.

Krazy

Nov 29th, 2003, 8:27 AM

You guys are being way too paranoid, do you realize this earth has been around for billions and billions and billions of years? Lets take old faithful here for example, do you think it's been on the dot, every second? No, it can't. There's no way. It has to slip up, even a second counts. Same with this "Super Valcano" You all speak of. It can erupt like clockwork and all of the sudden be a TAD TAD TAD bit late. 40,000 years is a DOT in time. It's like old faithful being late for 1 second.

If this "Super Valcano" acually exsists I'd say we have another 50,000 years until it blows up again.

You paranoid people need to live life without worrying about Glaicers and Super Valcanos and Michal Jackson. Like it said on the site: "You are X1000 times more likley do die in a car crash then any of these things shown on the site" You people need to calm down.

TrishaYrwoodFan

Nov 29th, 2003, 8:34 AM

I really don't see anyone here who has their panties in a wad over this. I mean, if someone in the US was so worried about this happening, its a free country, and they're free to leave if they are so worried about it. I don't see a mass exodus of people that post to these boards.

As for it erupting, I'm not really sure when it will erupt. However, I know that if this news hit the main stream, people could go haywire over nothing. While I don't believe in misleading people, I can understand why certain "officials" have not told the populace. For now, we have plenty of "alternative" news sources to find out exactly what's happening.

Sue

Originally posted by Krazy
You guys are being way too paranoid, do you realize this earth has been around for billions and billions and billions of years? Lets take old faithful here for example, do you think it's been on the dot, every second? No, it can't. There's no way. It has to slip up, even a second counts. Same with this "Super Valcano" You all speak of. It can erupt like clockwork and all of the sudden be a TAD TAD TAD bit late. 40,000 years is a DOT in time. It's like old faithful being late for 1 second.

If this "Super Valcano" acually exsists I'd say we have another 50,000 years until it blows up again.

You paranoid people need to live life without worrying about Glaicers and Super Valcanos and Michal Jackson. Like it said on the site: "You are X1000 times more likley do die in a car crash then any of these things shown on the site" You people need to calm down.

Sirius

Nov 29th, 2003, 8:51 AM

There really is a supervolcano there, and yes someday it will erupt, and yes it could happen tomorrow, but not likely. It could take another 50,000 years to blow up, but turning a blind eye to it is not the right course of action either. We have the technology to ensure the survival of humans, and I do think we should prepare for the inevitable eruption no matter how far down the road we think it is.

Predicting a volcanic eruption is far from an exact science, and predictiong an eruption from something of this magnitude, and from what little we know about it is even further.

You cannot call people who fear a yellowstone eruption paranoid, because it's really past due to erupt, so it can happen at anytime.

DerekN

Dec 1st, 2003, 12:03 AM

I'm a gambling man, and I wouldn't be betting that it's going to erupt in our life times.

1. Even with all the equipment being used, predicting the eruption to an approx 50 year timeframe is impossible.

2. There's no information to suggest that the caldera is nearing a retraction state which is the sign it is going to erupt.

3. The area has always been geologically active. Hot springs come and go, some are more steady than others.

4. I'm still looking for a map that shows 2/3 of the park is closed. I don't believe it's anywhere close to that, but if someone could point it out to me with a reliable source...

5. There's debate going on that the rise in the lake could be a steam pocket about to blow. It's happened before in that area.

SladeLoD

Dec 1st, 2003, 3:16 AM

Yellowstone had an event on the 28th,,,not on the USGS sites,,,Looks like that is being hidden also,,,Then,,,around an hour ago an earthquke hit China again,,,at least 8 dead,,lottsaearthquakes these days.:eek:

Hoodlum

Dec 3rd, 2003, 10:54 AM

im convinced its going to happen any day now. i think were the unlucky ones in timing. Guys, take a look at whats happening. If the ground wasnt swelling and so many seismographs were going up weekly then i wouldnt worry but just stop and think for a second about the evidence...

lotrfan55345

Dec 3rd, 2003, 3:28 PM

3 words: No It Won't

Did you even bother to read the article? Did you read the previous posts?

bbbv3.5

Dec 3rd, 2003, 4:28 PM

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE IT COULD ERUPT IN THE NEXT 300 YEARS! DISCOVERY CHANNEL SAID IF AN ERUPTION WAS GOING TO HAPPEN YOU WOULD SEE ALOT MORE ERUPTIONS IN YELLOWSTONE AND LAVA!!! NOT LITTLE EARTHQUAKES OR THE FAMOUS GIESERYS.

Hoodlum....it aint eruptin soon.

B.B.B Bad Boy Baby

Mr. X

Dec 3rd, 2003, 4:35 PM

I just recently read the article about the Yellowstone supervolcano, and since I don't know any forum with real scientist, I decided to ask here whether this whole thing is a hoax or not?

I'm looking for a mature and real answers for this, not answers from you guys smoking pot and waiting for armageddon like christmas. No offense. ;)

The thing that made me think this is just another hoax is that when I searched on google for info on this I didn't come up with one single site that would be considered a "reliable source of information". All the sites telling about this terrible dangerous volcano were some sort of amateur looking sites. Even CNN didn't have any archives on this case! I would think CNN as American news channel would have some sort of report on this if it's all really true.

SeekNDestroy

Dec 3rd, 2003, 4:46 PM

For doing my site, I used the www.usgs.com (US Geological Survey) website a lot. They've got lots of good reliable info. It's all true.

Mr. X

Dec 3rd, 2003, 5:05 PM

Originally posted by Mike
For doing my site, I used the www.usgs.com (US Geological Survey) website a lot. They've got lots of good reliable info. It's all true.

Thanks. That should be a reliable source. Not made by those looking for some extra excitement. :lol:

lotrfan55345

Dec 3rd, 2003, 5:07 PM

If you actually look at the USGS Yellowstone observatory you can see that they are extreamly zigagy but lately they have been (really) editing them! But now you are not beliving me and saying I'm paranoid blah blah blah. Also if we did see lava that would mean the volcano would have erupted already. And there have been a lot of earthquakes. There is a SCIENCE behind this, not all paranoia!

lotrfan55345

Dec 3rd, 2003, 5:17 PM

Hehe, all of them are straight but at the very end they are really zizagy... hmmm ... they really should pay the folks that "photoshop" the seismographs more or atleast hire more of them:lol: .

SeekNDestroy

Dec 4th, 2003, 1:50 PM

I couldn't find anything in the article or previous posts suggesting an imminen eruption. Could you list the relevant quotes? Thanks.

Mr. X

Dec 4th, 2003, 2:21 PM

You people should also gather your information from a reliable source. As Mike told me in his reply to my post, http://www.usgs.gov/ is a good site for information on Yellowstone. It should calm a lot of you down a bit.

SeekNDestroy

Dec 4th, 2003, 3:59 PM

bbb, I totally agree but no need to shout :)

lotr, can you show us this image that looks as though it's been editted?

Bigsky770

Dec 4th, 2003, 5:18 PM

As of the typing of this, I can see nothing (right now) that indicates that a(n) event is going to happen any time (soon) :wine:
And if NOTHING ever happens @ Yellowstone you will never realize just how happy I will be; (If we all lived CLOSE, heck, I'd go to the bar with you all, have a toast, and we could all eat, drink, and be merry, and nothing would ever happen. . . ):)
I also live with the reality that this is an ever-evolving situation that changes over a period (or) periods of millenia: we cannot see a forthcoming "event" in every hiccup.
I choose to defer to the judgements of Jakob Lowenstern or Dr. Bruce Cornet, thinking that perhaps they are giving away a little more info. than what some in the local Gov't there may think it expediant for them to share.
There was an "event" (like many, quite small) that had occurred December 4th, 2003, @ 12:08:15 sec. Mountain Standard Time. This miniscule "event" registered 1.9 in Magnitude and was located @ 44.206N, 110.707W, (that is) 26 clicks [kilometers] (or) 16 miles SSW of West Thumb, Wyoming.
When you view the readouts on the paper it shows significantly @ Picthstone Plateau, The Promontory, Little West Thumb, Old Faithful, Mary Lake, & Madison River. . .
Only slight activity registers on the moniters @ Lake, Denny Creek, Joseph's Coat, Maple Creek, & Holmes Hill. . .
Appears almost indistinguishable on the readout @ Mirror Lake; no activity @ all registers @ Mammoth Hot Springs & Soda Butte. . .
Nonwithstanding the activity (or lack of) lately like the aforementioned (Jakob Lowenstern, Dr. Bruce Cornet) I believe there is a "pattern" to suggest that there has been an ever-increasing amount of activity @ "Yellowstone", We need to be ever vigilent to WHAT these changes MAY MEAN, WE have NEVER WITNESSED a volcanic area of this size and scope before in recorded human history- -Not knowing quite enough about what ''may" happen soon the most you can do is look for the smallest clues which may point to something of significance.
When we know more about these types of "events" we will grow much better at our ability to predict them.

Joe (Bigsky770)

MetalMilitia

Dec 4th, 2003, 11:03 PM

No one is predicting an eruption. The only confirmed information I have seen related to this subject is the fact that there is ACTIVITY and that the ground level there has been expanding / growing from below. None of this warrants concern, but at the same time we aren't being told NEARLY enough on it.

More "extreme" scientists will say anything they can to get attention and money, but the facts on this case are being distorted. We aren't seeing the real graphs, and we aren't being told everything there is. Why? Cause if the people found out the truth about that area, there would be an "exodus" of sorts in which people would flock away from that area... even if they didn't think it was going to erupt. How good is that for the states economy or well being?

Bigsky770

Dec 5th, 2003, 1:51 AM

Hello, Metal- - Good to hear from you- -
I won't argue that point with you- - I feel as though (myself) there is much that is being "hidden"
Sadly, The seismological data I have from the UUSS (USGS) is ALL I HAVE TO GO ON momentarily- -
(You would not believe the hours I've spent searching for data from different sites)
Currently, (insofar as I know of) USGS is the only ones maintaining equip.@ that region on-site
(BUT, that DOES NOT INCLUDE apparatus/equip. that MAY BE "outside" their Uumm, Ehr, 'how shall I say this', "SCOPE OF INFLUENCE"?)
Problem is, most of this equip. may not be close enough to "the
region" to give accurate, reliable info- - You can tell what you THINK happened, but you cannot KNOW FOR SURE until you can have all the hard data that proves it through corroberation.
I myself have stated before that this "pattern of activity" needs to be watched more closely, they are doing so, (rest assurred) but I like you believe that they are tempering the hard data in order to qwell fears. . .
Putting it this way, they DID GET their gov't funds for more equip-ment, that's why they've been installing new webicorders as I have indicated previously in this thread.
Something important to them MUST BE going on, Otherwise why would they have been focusing so much more attention on it?
What it is, remains to be seen. . Meanwhile, Please feel free to share any and all info. you can send me, (I'd appreciate it), My E-mail is; Bigsky770@aol.com, Type "Yellowstone" in the header, that'll grab my attention so that I do not delete.

With Thanx, Joe (Bigsky770):bye:

MetalMilitia

Dec 5th, 2003, 4:32 AM

Problem is, most of this equip. may not be close enough to "the region" to give accurate, reliable info- - You can tell what you THINK happened, but you cannot KNOW FOR SURE until you can have all the hard data that proves it through corroberation.

They have placed sensors all over yellowstone, why aren't they giving us reports from each of these sources? I have found multiple sources that state there are sensors all over the place (This is not new information)

PS ADMINS- The New smiley face chart is pushing the response part of the page down, and it is no longer "centered."

Bigsky770

Dec 5th, 2003, 5:17 AM

Metal, Did you try this link?

http://www.seis.utah.edu/helicorder/heli/yellowstone/

(Hope that helpz) :bye: Joe (Bigsky770)

MetalMilitia

Dec 6th, 2003, 2:19 AM

What do you think the government in that area (mostly FEMA Federal Emergency Management Agency) would do if a situation ever arose that threatened the population? Lets say the charts started to spike, and they thought there was an eruption that was imminent? What could they possible do? As of 12/6 there was almost NO activity whatsoever, but the previous was just a simple question.

I still say they would either distort the facts, or their would be mass panic, and a great movement of the population. That whole area would become desolate, and I'm sure they don't want that. I am also sure that some people would not believe that it was happening, and would refuse to move... as was the case in the CA wildfires....

Also, this is open for anyone to answer... and I'm still unsure of this... what would be the "TOTAL" effected area per-chance it were to errupt...? How far would the supposed erruption effect? I heard on the history channel (and I forgot the year) that a volcano erupted and they didn't see daylight for a few days / weeks. How does that relate to the current situation?

thoughts?

Bigsky770

Dec 6th, 2003, 8:30 AM

The way I had heard it, Metal, Is that since this is a "Supervolcano" we are discussing, Scientists in the "know" of what the implications of an event of this magnitude could represent, Think of it like this; IF the "caldera" under Yellowstone were to suddenly erupt, it would be an event that man has not seen in recorded history. We are talking about an area roughly 600 miles in every direction from the "blast". . .
The reason that they KNOW this to be true, is from taking soil specimens (deep) that earmark that point in time when it last erupted, (and the area that was affected) in Northern America.
Putting it this way, Think of Mount St. Helen's (that you may be familier with). Try to imagine an "event" of the scale 100 X greater, and this will give you a pretty fair idea. . .
There are VERY FEW "Supervolcanoes" in the world today, "Yellowstone" (just would be our luck) happens to represent the greatest of these. It's not even argueable; This is what gives the park it's wonderous features, i.e. fumeroles, acid lakes, vents, mud-pots, 200-degree ground temps, (and lately) the "fine coating of grayish-white powder" they are being so "politically incorrect" in NOT just calling "ash". . . .Oh well. . .

Joe (Bigsky770)

bbbv3.5

Dec 6th, 2003, 7:47 PM

Mike, I am very sorry for shouting. Lotr, i know there is science. You are under 14 years old. You said it yourself. You are not that educated so stop pretending to be. And i know you are not because you used the phrase "zig zaggy". And I am sorry for shouting again. I just got mad because damn 11 year olds think they know everything when they really dont. Lotr if you cant trust me trust the person who made the site.

B.B.B Bad Boy Baby

lotrfan55345

Dec 19th, 2003, 10:49 PM

I voted no because I really don't think it's going to erupt. If it was going to erupt there would have been more prevalent signs and it would be a huge deal in the news
Oh, so the only REAL news is on CNN:guill:

bbbv3.5

Dec 20th, 2003, 4:26 PM

Hey you idiot LOTR. They dont have 2/3 of the park closed. They have a little over 1/8 of the park closed. And it is due to wild life. Think abiut what you say.

b.b.b bad boy baby

bbbv3.5

Dec 20th, 2003, 4:28 PM

And I dont know what ypu are watching.... CNN did not talk about yellowstone. I have been taping CNN for 5 years. Its my favorite channel.

Wesh

Dec 20th, 2003, 4:33 PM

hey... why did you call him an idiot? :ohmy:

fool...

VegasRonin

Dec 20th, 2003, 11:27 PM

I saw a show on Calderas, on the Discovery channel the other night. Right now we're in a two thousand year window for Yellowstone's eruption.

Wesh

Dec 21st, 2003, 3:34 AM

great! :D

SeekNDestroy

Dec 22nd, 2003, 4:15 AM

Well if we are in a 2000 year window (which is almost certainly rubbish) then the odds on an eruption this year are 2000:1. So why oh why are people voting for this year?

MetalMilitia

Dec 22nd, 2003, 4:27 AM

Well if we are in a 2000 year window (which is almost certainly rubbish) then the odds on an eruption this year are 2000:1. So why oh why are people voting for this year?

LOL, to me it seems to be a big concern for those that follow yellowstone closely, but that window means everything. I will point to the fact that we are overdue for an erruption, and I can't state that enough. We most likely won't be around to ever see it erupt, and the evidence itself supporting an eruption is based on hypothesis. Fact is, we have never seen one of these massive things errupt, and we only have evidence of when the last one did.

In the event that it does "go up" in our lifetimes, we would be up the creek without a paddle. According to most studies, ash and smoke would clog our atmosphere for hundreds of years, and nothing would go on living (wothout the sunlight that is)

All in all, it is still a scary thought that we have one growing on on our soil (US) and no one seems to pay any attention to it :)

Does anyone know of any others that you can list from a different country. One with a SV that would equal yellowstone? Any links would be greatly appreciated.,

gaz2004

Dec 22nd, 2003, 3:11 PM

I doubt your claims of it clogging up the atmosphere for hundreds of years. I have frequently heard more of in the region of a few weeks to a year, enough time for most food stocks to last.

bbbv3.5

Dec 22nd, 2003, 5:41 PM

Hey people go to yellowstone park .com . Search around and you will see caldera under attractions. Now if you read this it would say alot of truth behind ther caldera. Now according to yellow stone park.com it says that if it were to explode today it would take up all of whyoming idaho and parts of surrounding states. It would not be a world impact because it hasnt prepared itself like all the others did. One took up the whole world. This one will not. Even if it were 100 years from now it still wouldnt have exploded. Mike was right though. Some calderas are strong enough to destroy the whole world. But still, people who are in whyoming and places like that. Dont worry. Its christmas or hannukah! NOT lets all be paranoidmas.

Happy Holidays Mike.

b.b.b Bad Boy Baby

bbbv3.5

Dec 22nd, 2003, 5:52 PM

I am rewriting my paragraph! BAD GRAMMAR

Hey guys go to Yellowstone park.com and look for calderas. They tell you that if yellowstone were to erupt tomorrow that is would not be as big as the last eruptions because this next eruption has not prepared itself enough like the other ones had. If it were to erupt now, it would cover Idaho, Whyoming and a couple of surrounding states. One eruption from yellowstone took up the whole world. Mike was right. Strong calderas can destroy the world and harm all of us. Cheers to you mike! Dont be paranoid for the holidays. Be happy. Member.... its Christmas(or other)......not paranoimas.

Happy Holidays

B.b.b. bad boy baby

Skylar

Dec 23rd, 2003, 1:43 AM

I just go on what National Geographic said, because they seem to be pretty informed, and have always been very scientific and such. If you go to their website, they have an article about it, and the don't address it as a real threat. I'd rather take their word than prophecy and armageddon obsessed websites. not that i am in fear or anything.

anyways, if this giant volcano is going to destroy the world in the near near furture, don't you think we would have heard a bit more about it? or there would be a global preparation type thing going on? or do the politicians and rulers of the world only care about killing each other, rather than saving the most important thing they have in common: all humans.

gaz2004

Dec 23rd, 2003, 3:50 PM

If they knew it was going to errupt soon then they would not tell the public in order to prevent mass panic. They could say, look we think it willl errupt in 6 months, but not actually errupt for 100 years. That will ruin that area as no one would want to live there 'just incase'

Plus everyoen would want to move to England, meaning bigger roads, bigger seats, bigger take aways and 3 pounder burgers!

To be honest if i moved over to the states and was anywhere near Yellowstone, i would not move there 'just incase'

When Yelllowstone errupts a large preportion of American's would die from the explosion or falling ash (the terorists would love that), the rest of the world however, would stand a far greater chance of survival. You cannot survive being burried under 2 metres of ash, but some people could survive a month without sun light.

bbbv3.5

Dec 23rd, 2003, 4:00 PM

Got a point. If it happens now it will not be strong enough to destroy the world. Thats a good thread!

bbbv3.5

Dec 23rd, 2003, 4:04 PM

You read the headline. How much do you think it will destroy? Mike, can I get an answer from you, I want to know what you think.

lotrfan55345

Dec 26th, 2003, 11:13 PM

http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/images/fires-yellowstone-20020907-n9rgb.jpg

Looks like Yellowstone erupting... cool:smokin:

bbbv3.5

Dec 27th, 2003, 2:43 PM

If yellowstone were to erupt now it would not be cool. Aight! And I dont know how you read that map.

SeekNDestroy

Dec 27th, 2003, 3:35 PM

Looks like Yellowstone erupting Um no it doesn't...

bbbv3.5

Dec 27th, 2003, 5:28 PM

I figured out how to read it and Mike, you are right.

ThunderStruck64

Dec 27th, 2003, 5:58 PM

bbb bad to the bone, bad to the bone...................

Sorry, I have the song on my mind. :smokin:

No, I don't believe Yellowstone is going to erupt this year. We only have a few more days left of 2003. :lol:

bbbv3.5

Dec 27th, 2003, 6:56 PM

Really good point! :lol: I am not bad to the bone!

Victoria

Jan 8th, 2004, 6:57 PM

like burst? what part of yellowstone? I always have faith. If Yellowstone were to burst, lets say like Mt. St. Helens, then oh what a mess. Not neccesarilly in toll, but more in cost. Lots of activity 'round the world, why is Yellowstone so popular? Because it is the 1st? National Park that is to be disrupted???

Zanthrax

Jan 8th, 2004, 7:17 PM

Despite all the wishful thinking that it will never happen, from a geological POV, it will happen, and happen soon.

Swarms of earthquakes across the area (7th January 2004) is kind of like pushing on a huge champagne cork to get it to pop off.
Magma is moving only 1500 feet below ground (the height of a skyscraper). Fish are cooking in normally cold lakes that are now at 88*C. A 750000 cubic metre bulge has developed in the last 7 years - a feature prominent in all explosive volcanic eruptions (Mount St.Helens, Vesuvius, Krakatoa . .. ... . .. . .. )

By current estimates, it would destroy 1.4 million square miles of the continental United States - thats a lot off the value of the United States' total of 3.5 million square miles of land, worth .... I'm not too sure on this ..... $40 Trillion.

I hope it doesn't happen, but no amount of shutting our eyes will stop it happening. History has a nasty habit of biting us when we least expect it, and this time its 60000 years overdue.

regards

Zanthrax

Victoria

Jan 8th, 2004, 7:25 PM

Records? How about do these records correspond? In a certain tipe period do they all cooblirate? I'm more than a bit confused. Fish vs. Frogs? Where is the water giving a hint?:confused:

Bigsky770

Jan 8th, 2004, 8:02 PM

- - And also have noticed the earthquake swarms, this combined with the depth seems to be indicating magma 'migrating' towards certain locations that could reveal previously unknown faults, as I've said before, (and I'm pretty sure most of us are aware) since SO LITTLE is actually known about "just what" to look for prior to an event, THIS added to the fact that recorded human history knows so little 'about' Supervolcanoes/what it could mean, some get confused when we speak of things such as dead/dying vegetation, (possibility of 'connections' to animal wasting diseases), Attempts @ re-establishing the grey wolves back in the area failing because the wolves are smart enough to KNOW to VACATE, 200 degree F. water temps. in areas previously not known to, fine greyish 'powder' that coats areas near fumeroles that media is very careful in not calling "ASH" water wells building pressures miles away and 'blowing off', Reports from park visitors that had to leave because the sulpherous fumes were THAT much worse than what they had recalled during previous visits, incredible 'bulge' under the lake, we are looking for those things that we think may show that an "EVENT" may be imminent- - -Welcome Zanthrax/Victoria glad to see you here. . . .

Joe (Bigsky770)

lotrfan55345

Jan 8th, 2004, 8:28 PM

It was ment to be a joke . If you just looked at the bottom right-hand corner you would see that it was just like forest fires in 1989. Lighten up! I thought it was cool looking .

Victoria

Jan 8th, 2004, 8:39 PM

I'm not certain of where I learned this...I do recall an event; maybe, in South America??? Where a lake was dispersing some sort of toxic gas and rid of each who came within sense.

Hoodlum

Jan 8th, 2004, 8:49 PM

i believe we are dangerously close to destruction. the closeness of the magma to the surface shows us the emminent destruction. These facts are pointing to use that its coming VERY SOON. There is no one that can downplay this logically. all it will take is the "skyscraper" length of the magma from the surface raises another twenty feet and the surface begins to crack, crumble and quake and it all goes to hell from there. i predict weeks...

Geologists months ago have predicted within 6 months and were coming up on that time.
Get ready my friends - im sure it will happen

lotrfan55345

Jan 8th, 2004, 8:54 PM

I'm not certain of where I learned this...I do recall an event; maybe, in South America??? Where a lake was dispersing some sort of toxic gas and rid of each who came within sense.

It was xxx lake in Africa, it killed everyone in the local tribe near by...:(

Hoodlum, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let this have NO affect on your life. DO NOT prepare for food, gas masks ETC. LIVE YOUR LIFE NORMALY!!! Yes, you can belive that it will erupt tommorow, next week or whenever but just live your life the way you want to becouse if it doesent happen, you family/boss/freinds will not be very happy with you. If

Bigsky770

Jan 8th, 2004, 10:07 PM

- - - Just so you know, I AM AWARE that the photo you are describing as "cool looking" was taken in 1989, all of the things occurring that I posted in my (previous post) have happened AFTER your cool-looking photo, indeed within the LAST 3 YEARS- - -
I study this because it interests me, :) BUT YOU ARE CORRECT, everyone NEEDS to get on with their lives- - -If it happens, it happens, what could one do anyway? Still, I believe, the things that I know are going on there are worth studying, If we can learn more about these types of volcanoes it could so much further our knowledge about the long-term geological processes that have created this wonderful planet we inhabit.
I do believe that there is a likelihood that something will happen soon, there DOES exist (I believe) a 'small' conspiracy of silence concerning the 'Yellowstone Region' this due to the thinking that they (a). do not want to report those occurrances that MAY damage the 'economy' of the area of concern, & (b). do not want to create a 'panic' situation. . . .
Think about this, Iotrfan, "UUSS Geological Surveyors and Seismologists" installed 5 seismographs throughout the park region within the last few months, obviously they must believe something's up- -even with the incredible cost of the ongoing war in Iraq the gov't has INCREASED the amount of money they have granted the scientists studying Yellowstone. . 'nuff to make ya curious. . . . .:thumbs:

Joe (Bigsky770)

Victoria

Jan 8th, 2004, 10:11 PM

Just out of curiosity...any links, updated?:)

Bigsky770

Jan 8th, 2004, 10:22 PM

- - - -Type in the name 'Jacob Lowenstern' +Yellowstone Supervolcano into a "search engine," this sould pull-up the links to what I'm discussing here- - - Also, I check out the local newspapers in the area for news, http://www.billingsgazette.com
(look under the area for ''Utah") that'll point ya in the direction of "Yellowstone"- - - I access the archives. . . :thumbs:

Joe (Bigsky770)

Victoria

Jan 8th, 2004, 10:23 PM

Montana? Why Utah?

Victoria

Jan 8th, 2004, 10:27 PM

Alright, I'll read the direction and give it a try. I did hear , however; they BigFoot in Wyoming.

Bigsky770

Jan 8th, 2004, 10:30 PM

. . . . Go there, and scroll down, it can be a time-consuming, labourious process, but you'll see. . . Start -w- "Jakob," :D

Joe (Bigsky770)

mickydoolittle

Jan 9th, 2004, 1:20 AM

The incident occurred in Central Africa.

A cloud of Carbon Dioxide was released from a nearby lake due to volcanic activity under the lake, this cloud spread to the surrounding nearby land, which contained a village. All in the village at the time died of suffocation...they were not breathing the typical oxygen as usual--thus no survival.

gaz2004

Jan 9th, 2004, 4:11 AM

Ok so when this volcano finally blows up, sure it will kill most people in America, but what about the UK? what affects would europe have from something that big errupting 5,000 miles away.

I find it hard to believe the Supervolcano can destroy 600 miles of land, cover america with a foot of ash, AND have enough to spare to block up the ENTIRE atmopshere for a long period of time.

Also i see on the thread that some so called geoligists predict within 6 months a few months ago, well i read anywhere in the next 100,000 years, meaning they do not know.

Where is the evidence that this magma is only 1,500ft from the service?

Ta

Hoodlum

Jan 9th, 2004, 6:48 AM

I just checked seismoreadings, and if it is normal for there to be constant jagged lines longer than 4 other lines than i guess theres nothing to worry about , (yeah right) , i try to live my life day by day, but i live on the east coast on an island, and when yellowstone erupts, so does la palma and the tsunami hits us and we die. i fear this to happen at night and me not knowing quick enough, thats why i worry. because IF or when this happens i want myself and my family and friends to have a chance to live!

Susie

Jan 9th, 2004, 10:53 AM

Why do you think that when Yellowstone erupts it will set La Palma off? As far as I know there is no evidence that one volcanic eruption has ever triggered another, so you shouldn't worry about the tsunami yet!

Susie

Jan 9th, 2004, 11:02 AM

The eruption of Mt. Pinatubo in 1991 (i think) was not a supervolcano but ejected ash so far into the atmosphere that it led to global cooling by 1 degree per year for 5 years after the eruption. The reason volcanic eruptions can have such far felt effects is because the ash ends up high up in the atmosphere, where it quickly encircles the earth. The problem is, no one really knows what effects Yellowstone would have if it blew - there hasn't been a comparable eruption since records began. Some people think that volcanic eruptions lead to global cooling in the short term and global warming in the long term. It also depends what sort of magma is erupted, and what sort of volcano Yellowstone is. For example, the volcanoes on Hawaii erupt all of the time, but they're not explosive. The problem arises when an eruption like Mt. St. Helen's takes place. Personally, i don't know what type of volcano Yellowstone is, so I couldn't make any predictions.

lotrfan55345

Jan 9th, 2004, 2:48 PM

Yellowstone is a caldera volcano, most caldera-type volcanoes are more powerful than regular cone shaped volcanoes and some even supervolcanoes (Like Yellowstone).

Do a g o o g l e search on "Yellowstone Supervolcano" and get a wealth of "evidence".:)

lotrfan55345

Jan 9th, 2004, 2:53 PM

The only chance of simulteneous volcanic eruptions is in the Cascade range becouse their "pipes" are "wired together" as some guy said. And the chance of that happening is very slim so there is like a .infinity 1 % that it will trigger Las Palmas. So, as Susie said, don't worry about it.

PS Bigsky, that post was not directed @ you, it was directed to bbb and mike but I think bbb left this place.:)

Bigsky770

Jan 9th, 2004, 6:33 PM

What I posted was more like an F.Y.I. anywho, never took any hard feelings there:bye: :thumbs:

Joe (Bigsky770)

lotrfan55345

Jan 11th, 2004, 7:40 PM

Look at the obvious 'photoshopping' of the seismographs! The bottom half of the page is zigzagy and the top 'photoshoped' side is not. But by the time you see this it will probably be ALL phottoshopped.:mad:
http://www.seis.utah.edu/helicorder/heli/yellowstone/Uuss.YML_EHZ_WY.2004011100.gif

Zap_98

Jan 11th, 2004, 9:37 PM

It ain't going to happen. I WAS at yellowstone last summer and bought a book on the geology and even though there has been unusual seismic activity in the region, that they DO NOT expect a caldera eruption for thousands of years. Now, you can sleep.

SeekNDestroy

Jan 12th, 2004, 11:58 AM

All that shows is there was a slight increase in seismic activity in the afternoon. Its no conspiracy, you could find something similar at any other seismic monitoring station.

And why is that obviously photoshoped??

SladeLoD

Jan 12th, 2004, 1:56 PM

Welp..The USGA says not to worry about Yellowstone,,But Larry Parks says expect an event in around 16 to 20 months or so from now.Who do you beleive?I myself prefer Mr, Parks,,he is impecable in his feild of work and seems to be more advacned in these things than the USGS.He has a book he published on the subject,the website is www.terrareseach.net/ might be well worth reading to become somewhat educated on this subject that one day we are all going to have to deal with weather we like it or not.If not us,,then our children or our grandchildren.What kind of future do they have?not to bright as i see it.The thing we need to do is to stop debating the issue and start taking actions to prepare for this event,,for our sakes and our childrens sake.It is going to happen,,we all know that,we just do not know when.I would rather be safe than sorry so i am listening to Mr.Parks and what he has to say.Remember he is one of the best professionals in his feild,we are not.What does Mr.Parks have to gain or lose from his prediction,,,nothing,,he feels his duty is to inform the public of what is to come,and that is the bottom line here.But what does it really matter anyway:horror: The galaxy Andromida is heading right for us at 300,000 miles and hour,,yeppers!!:horror: One day all of this is gonna be spacedust floating around the universe!Give or take a few million years.Heck,it might take a few million years for us to get our act together to find a new place for the human race to survive.:Blbl:

SladeLoD

Jan 12th, 2004, 2:00 PM

:bye:YO!!Yep,,its me,they guy over here that can't spell! :hmmr: Try this link,, www.terraresearch.net/ :crazy:

SeekNDestroy

Jan 12th, 2004, 2:07 PM

Do you have his credentials, I couldn't see that he listed any on the site - which would be odd for a world expert. Call me cynical, but it sounds like Mr Parks has books to sell.

SladeLoD

Jan 12th, 2004, 3:48 PM

Trust me Mike,,he knows his business.Money is no object to this guy,did you take a look at the equipment he sells.So what does a few dollars mean from books?,,,He would have to sell alot of books just to even scratch his normal income.:ohmy: If he wanted a best seller you would be able to find them at the bookstores,grocery stores etc.His books are for educational purposes,and the people that have the intellegence to understand what he is saying.I am not going to lower myself to a discussion on his background,,it is there and very well proven.:thumbs:

SeekNDestroy

Jan 12th, 2004, 4:04 PM

Well I've spent a while searching on google and I found nothing. If he's such an expert why have no universities or scientific journals got anything about him? Why is he releasing his research on radio and not peer-reviewed magazines?

Please, you believe he's a world expert - why? Selling expensive machines doesn't make you a scientific authority. Just give me a couple of decent links about his "well proven" background. Thanks.

Zanthrax

Jan 12th, 2004, 4:54 PM

LO lotrfan55345

Lake Nyos is the lake that lacked a name ;-)
Its in Cameroon, West Africa, and was a CO2 belch from the lake bottom that suffocated 1,700, also injuring 845 people. University of North Dakota 'Volcano World' (http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/volc_images/africa/nyos.html)

I find it interesting that if "Lake Nyos" is entered into the USGS (http://www.usgs.gov) search facility, how many entries are there for Yellowstone Lake. Hmmm....

regards

Zanthrax

Bigsky770

Jan 12th, 2004, 6:39 PM

- - - Ain't much. Larry Park, (that I understand) pretty much goes hand-in-hand -w- "Marshall Masters," YOWUSA.com.
Isn't he the one who came up with that "Planet X" stuff/Niburu? Anyhow, Larry (is supposed) to be a "Scientist" (PERHAPS 'self-proclaimed') though that I know anyone can 'say' that they are a "Scientist". In that which I understand, Larry works with some of Nikola Tesla's research/experimentation (read 'scalur' waves here) and in that he has produced equipment that is able to 'detect' same. Have not been able to establish the credentials of this individual.
has devised 'theory' that 'scalur waves' can be more accurate predictors/indicators of when seismic activity is likely to occur.
I prefer to remand to the judgements of those that I can establish accredited credentials for, hence;

Dr. Jacob Lowenstern +Dr. Bruce Cornet

Joe (Bigsky770)

SladeLoD

Jan 13th, 2004, 3:38 AM

Joe,,,Somewhere a few months ago when i first learned of the Yellowstone Cladera i did look around for the background of Parks,,what i found described his work in the field of earthquakes was described as impecable.He is not a volcano geologist..If i can find that again i will post it.The information was about him was on his history..Anyway,,,i live in Wyoming,this week has been somewhat active,earthquakes are occuring as far as 300 to 400 miles from Yellowstone Park.Last sunday we had one in the town i live in,and a couple months ago an area in northeast Wyoming had one.These earthquakes are considered somwwhat rare and things seem to be becoming a little more frequent here.Is there a pattern developing on this,or is the area deep underground surrounding Yellowstone showing signs of movement due to the cladera?I don't beleive anyone can answer that question right now.Somewhere along the line i would like to go to Yellowstone to see first hand what is there and what is closed and what is not,and what is going on there,geysers,mudpots,ground temps,etc.May or June might be the best time to go,Yellowstone might be active at that time again,,we shall see,,Also,,The AGU had a meeting in december about Yellowstone,30 speakers there i do beleive and the entire day was spent on Yellowstone.That would have been a very interesting meeting to attend.

Bigsky770

Jan 13th, 2004, 6:58 AM

Yeah, SladeLoD, I've been watching myself quite alot over the past few months, One trend that I have noticed about this that you speak of, (earthquakes happening in places where none known to occur before), what does this trend mean should it continue? I really do not know. . . I try very hard to place possible "connections" on this as well as the possibility of other events in/around that area. I will not say for a moment that I DO NOT find Larry Park's theories on "Scalar Waves" intriguing, as I am also a big fan of "Nikola Tesla," - - In my opinion, (what the worth of it) Nikola was an uncommon genius who's work should be studied in only the most serious of manners. . .
I said what I did PARTIALLY because (quite recently) the 'site' of YOWUSA.com went as 'paid subscriber' in that you cannot 'access' that info. unless you are willing to purchase it. I am a great believer that knowledge such as this the value that it may have should be 'public domain,' the import that it carries is something one should not need to buy, Then again, guess they got a right to make a 'buck'. . .
Larry's theory, (one of which) 'earthquake booms' IS a phenomena that needs a closer look irregardless of 'WHO' this comes from, they are a 'phenomena' that does happen, and there may be that connection that I seek. Tell me, have you been 'hearing these' since you are close to the area of concern? Lemmee know. . .

Joe (Bigsky770)

lotrfan55345

Jan 13th, 2004, 3:59 PM

janruary 10, 2004 emergency posting ... this morning 90 miles from anchorage alaska a 7.1 earth quake registered and there has been an unusual silence in the news media ... as it confirms my ongoing contention that many of these quakes are due to solar flaring as was the case with the alaska quake ... however the pressing issue remains with the Yellowstone volcano situation which is in a geological cycle to erupt again ... scroll down to listen to my january 8, 2004 radio show archive for details ... i have also noticed what appears to be continual influx of comets from the south with the SOHO data being altered or outright deleted almost daily now ... jim mccanney

???

SladeLoD

Jan 14th, 2004, 8:49 PM

Joe,No booms or cloud formations during these quakes.What concerns me about the last event in Yellowstone was that there where really 8 quakes lasting two hours,not just one as reported by the USGS.If you look further into their website you will find that information.The problem i am having is that if you look at the quakes globaly over the last week or so there have been single quakes and they occured on natural fautlines.Yellowstone is not on a faultline whatsoever.What could have caused a two hour event then?In my opinion it would be either the ground has risen due to increased pressure, or there was a collapse deep underground .If that where the case then the roof of the magma chamber must have collapsed to cause this,which would mean it is getting close to the surface.Very hard to tell in this situation what has occured there with the information we are given.

I also agree with you on all points mentioned in your last statement.Mr. Telsa was a genius and did so much in his work to help us in the way we live today!I do commend Mr.Parks for his research and having the guts to state what he did about the USGS and the situation in yellowstone.He could ruin his career but fast!,,,, YOWUSA should not be holding any information about Mr.Parks and his work and should be publicly accesed at no charge,,way to important of an issue.

Lotrfan;Yes,,these seems to be a direct connection with the solar events and the earthquakes occuring.We are experiencing a worldwide seismic event which if you look at china,,california,japan,,iran,,it tells the situation.Also it does seem that information is being altered and witheld,,not much we can do about that.

Bigsky770

Jan 14th, 2004, 9:23 PM

SladeLoD,
There was one other thing I had almost forgot to ask, as well as the 'earthquake boom' phenomena, that is the other phenomena of 'Lightning'- - - As this theory goes, I've heard reports that at times prior to an event sometimes there is also 'flashes' of this 'lightning,' what made it as a connection to some scientists is that they seemed to notice that this was occurring pre-'event' in and around areas of concern, strangely enough on clear days. If I am not mistaken, the theory is that all this fantastic pressure that lies along fault-lines creates energy that manifests itself as lightning, Don't know if this phenomena has been investigated in any depth within the scientific community. Have you heard of reports of this phenomena yourself?

Joe (Bigsky770)

lotrfan55345

Jan 14th, 2004, 10:07 PM

I lived in the Phillipines for a while and I was unlucky enough to experience an earthquake. I noticed the whole animals gone coo-coo thing anf a couple of hours before the quake I saw what looked like a aroura/lighting hybrid. Luckily it was only a fairly small 4.8 quake and only the cups on the tables were broken.

MetalMilitia

Jan 14th, 2004, 10:39 PM

A little OT, but nonetheless :)

This is all I could really find, and there wasn't too much info behind it. The following phenomena that have correlated with earthquake activity are:

(1) radon emission
(2) P-wave velocity shifts
(3) water level in nearby wells
(4) increase in the number of foreshocks
(5) electrical resistivity shifts
(6) magnetic field shifts

But they still have no way of predicting it.

I have also heard the theory of animals knowing about it before it happens. Often times I am told that cats will start to act 'goofy' shortly before one hits... they can smell / see / hear something, or have some kind of 'sense' that we don't.

Maybe the US geological association should start hiring cats?

SladeLoD

Jan 15th, 2004, 5:22 AM

Joe, no lightning either,i really don't think there will be here until a major event due to the fact that no plates are moving against each other.This is a different breed of situation than a normal faultline quake.
Metal..I keep my cat close by at all times now,lol

lotrfan55345

Jan 15th, 2004, 3:26 PM

All animals start goofy. Maybe becouse that guy I quoted said that earquakes were related to solar flaring, animals can sense the solar flaring and thats why they act goofy.

MetalMilitia

Jan 15th, 2004, 4:20 PM

Not too many earthquakes in MN huh lotr? Just coldness, but at least it's not as bad as New York...

:rollin:

lotrfan55345

Jan 15th, 2004, 4:24 PM

...yet.( There taking away our weather spotlight on CNN!):lol:

SladeLoD

Jan 15th, 2004, 5:57 PM

I used to live in North Dakota,,,Wanna talk about COLD!It would be 20 below and wind chills hitting 40 below and the schools where still open!They never close schools up there for nothing.I felt so bad for those kids freezing waiting for the bus.Even where i live now it is the same,had windchills of 35 below and the schools did not close!!WOW!!Poor kids!

lotrfan55345

Jan 15th, 2004, 9:49 PM

I'm a kid, every year atleast twice, we get -50 or below windchill here in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area. The schools have only closed here once, and that was due to 1'' of pure ice caused by rain freezing overnight. One day we got 28'' of snow and we still had school!

MetalMilitia

Jan 15th, 2004, 10:35 PM

Yeah Lotr. I lived around St. Cloud when I was going to school, and it had to be completely FROZEN over, or more than a foot or 2 of snow. A lot of times even when districts in the surrounding area would close, the major city schools would still be open, and often times only 2 hrs late. No big deal, can't see the roads, cars sliding by sideways... no biggie.

You have to admit though, Minnesota is one of the most prepared states when it comes to sh*tty weather. Of course, they go through how many thousands of tons of salt each winter? All of which will further rust your car, and damage water sources. Luckily I drink filtered water, and drive a car that came from South Dakota... where they use no salt :)

lotrfan55345

Jan 16th, 2004, 3:52 PM

LOL! You have it worse though since you are a bit more northern. Also in NY, they are like 'We are freezing our butts of becouse it was EIGHT DEGREES! WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE FROM HYPOTHERMIA!" Err... 8 degrees? Pfft, we get atleast -30F EVERY year... First it was 12 measily hours with no power, and now thy are complaining about an 8 degree temp? Wimps.:lol:

MetalMilitia

Jan 16th, 2004, 10:30 PM

Yeah, them b*tching about NY weather kinda ruins that whole 'tough image' of New York. I've seen guys in their 60's and 70's go strolling by on the coldest of mornings...

If you don't like cold weather, move... don't complain about it!

DarkAce

Jan 17th, 2004, 2:00 PM

Silly fahrenheit, always making it sound worst then it actually is:p

lotrfan55345

Jan 17th, 2004, 3:02 PM

Ok, so back to topic...

SladeLoD

Jan 17th, 2004, 4:30 PM

Yep,Back to the topic,,Another quake in Yellowstone today,,Around 3.0,,,the other siesmo's are acting a little quirky.Seems to be getting a little more active now.

SeekNDestroy

Jan 17th, 2004, 5:31 PM

What's that got to do with the topic? It's hardly unusual for a massive volcanic system to have some very minor quakes.

In other news it rained in Yellowstone yesterday, could that mean something?!?

Hoodlum

Jan 17th, 2004, 7:21 PM

hey mike, sorry to say but a 3.0 isnt that low. and also these earthquakes are happining all around it on an unusual scale. this hasnt happened this much since ever. and you cant put it off when there are important people organising to talk about it, seismographs are popping up all the time, and many quakes a day in areas not known to experience them, and the surface is rising rapidly. Mike sounds like ya got a case of denial :lol:

lotrfan55345

Jan 17th, 2004, 9:01 PM

He has his own opinion too ya know, gotta respect it. But gee mike, you start an an armageddon site, but bash all the theories listed.:lol:

SeekNDestroy

Jan 18th, 2004, 3:29 AM

I'm not bashing anything I said, I'm bashing peoples additions to them - like saying there's a significant chance it'll happen soon.

also these earthquakes are happining all around it on an unusual scale. this hasnt happened this much since ever. and you cant put it off when there are important people organising to talk about it, seismographs are popping up all the time, and many quakes a day in areas not known to experience them, How do you know what's an unusual scale? How do you know where normally experiences them? No-one does.We've been looking at the volcano for maybe 50 years of it's cycle of over 600,000 years. It's like an alien looking at a human for one second then concluding breathing was unusual.

mickydoolittle

Jan 18th, 2004, 5:07 AM

heh heh mike...:lol:

Originally posted by Mike
How do you know what's an unusual scale? ...We've been looking at the volcano for maybe 50 years of it's cycle of over 600,000 years. It's like an alien looking at a human for one second then concluding breathing was unusual.
:sardonic: :lol:

lotrfan55345

Jan 19th, 2004, 2:23 PM

You guys are ruining all the fun of our little 'paranoiafest' here! :nono:

lotrfan55345

Jan 19th, 2004, 11:32 PM

But bringing back the topic of the solar flare/earthquake correalation. What aff3ct would it have on Volcanoes such as Yellowstone or Long Valley?

SladeLoD

Jan 20th, 2004, 5:30 AM

:bye: Yo,,Mikey,,,,,:Blbl: Bash This!:Bott: ,,hehe,,
Lotrfan,Solar flares are effecting both of them,Some geologists are concerned that Long Valley will erupt before Yellowstone.Also some are concerned that they both will erupt,Long Valley first then Yellowstone.Nobody really knows what is going on with these things,,could be just a passing situation or the real deal.We have no real experience in this and can't look underground to see what really is going on.More like if it does it does,,if it doesn't then YAY!

Bigsky770

Jan 20th, 2004, 2:22 PM

Try to think of the same 'alien' viewing this 'human,' and upon looking at same KNOWING that 'breathing' wasn't all that 'unusual' because in comparing the two, we do have a "Geologic record" to rely on, (for the purposes of this let's call this our patient's 'charts'/'History') and the knowledge gained from the study of this can tell us what is likely/unlikely to happen in the near future. . .
As a 'total' look at our patient with all things considered, (that is all of the 'displayed' activity now) I would still have to state here and now for the record that something's 'up' with this area that bears further scrutiny. .
I've said this before and I will say this again, to the 'naysayers' who believe that nothing will happen in the near future with "Yellowstone," You'll never know just how happy I would be were it that you could be right. Indeed, on this score, I'd rather be wrong.
The 57 lives that were lost when Mt. St.Helens went cause me to think the way I do, Those 'poor souls' did'nt see any cause for alarm either. This is like comparing a firecracker to a crate of dynamite, for that is the difference between Mt. St. Helens' and "Yellowstone". . . .

Joe (Bigsky770)

SladeLoD

Jan 20th, 2004, 6:57 PM

Joe,,Well put!Those poor people at Mt. St. Helens,What a horrible death they faced.
Also some information on Larry Parks background resurfaced.He Has been with Oregon's Solar Con Research Center for 22 years,specializing in Earth Precusory Sciences,and holds four Us patents i this field.I would say he knows a little about what he is saying in this situation.

lotrfan55345

Jan 20th, 2004, 9:24 PM

Luckiley the solar flaring has died dow compared to October-Novermber of last year. :) But then we might have those Jupiter sized sun spots back again... But hopefully not.:Ohwell:

MacRasta

Jan 21st, 2004, 8:30 AM

I've read an interesting article about the moon's gravity, it would not only affect the tides, but also magma, in plain words, chances are bigger when the moon is directly above a volcano. (doesn't have to be YOWSuper Volcanoe).

It suprises me that no one speeks about the activity in the last 30 years at yellowstone, ok, it's just but a very small piece of info compared with the existence of this super-caldera, but still...

They started in 1973, with 269 eq measured that year, the last measurements, in 2002, are 2373eq's a year, that's almost 10x as much. In 2002, there were day's with more eq's than the whole year of 1973.. That worries me a bit. But I'm not convinced at all that's it's gonna blow in the near future.

About eq's, on another article I read, it would be possible to have 1 massive eq all over the globe, when I find it again, I will post the link.
In a few words : there is no proof that in recorded history something like that happened, but it's not something to put asside, with the right conditions, it could happen...:(

Maybe when yellowstone opens it's mouth and clears it's throath?

MacRasta

Jan 21st, 2004, 8:34 AM

Sorry guys, forgot to put up the link to the eq map :

http://www.mines.utah.edu/%7Eggcmpsem/UUSATRG/Seis/Yellowstone/Yellreadymade.html

This is a link from following site :

http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/yvo/monitoring.html

:hmmr:

SladeLoD

Mar 10th, 2004, 2:23 AM

Lotrfan,BigSky,,Take a look at the usgs for yellowstone for the last several days,,,Somewhat a flurry of quakes and some as large as 6.2 and 6.8.The lava plume is moving ,this does not look good,Also,the solar flare deal is up again,lotta quakes worldwide now.
Also now,they have found elk that have just dropped over dead in yellowstone.Seems these animals have died from suffication,no eveidence of poisons etc.Could be methane or some other gas being released from the park.
I thought that it would be a few more months before things started to act up again there,looks like i was wrong.Keep your eyes open.

Bigsky770

Mar 11th, 2004, 9:39 AM

I HAVE been watching the goings-on @ Yellowstone and have not witnessed any readings like those that you mention from the UUSS/USGS. At BEST I have only seen strength of magnitude (scale) of approx. HALF what you mention. There are/is more activity SOUTH of Yellowstone which may be indicative of magma-flow. Which brings me to the question? where are you getting your info. from? (not that I don't BELIEVE that something's up @ Yellowstone) BUT if you could (perhaps) lead ones like myself to ANOTHER web-site that collects info. of this ilk/and we can compare dissimiliar information that we can establish that somebody is 'doctoring' the records to put the best face on them for the public, (to relieve concern). Reason it took me so long to answer this is I had to re-direct post/notice AWAY from my OLD Address Bigsky770@aol.com to my NEW Address Bigsky_770@hotmail.com, As wifey and I are dispatching with our AOL account. Still in process of re-directing mail/excuse time lapse. . . .
By the way, SladeLoD, It's good to see you again. Hope all has been well with you and yours since the site's been down!

As always, Joe (Bigsky770)

lotrfan55345

Mar 11th, 2004, 2:48 PM

Hereiz a 5.5 quake, but the USGS thinks it is a "mining blast" ... It was registered by a seismmograph in the Black hills of South Dakota.

http://www.rense.com/general46/55.html

Another Quake:

http://www.rense.com/general31/RUG.HTM

Wyoming Quakes:

http://rense.com/general50/miss.htm

Dick Chaney's fart mesured as 4.1 on the scale:

http://rense.com/general50/quake.htm

Maleko

Mar 11th, 2004, 2:56 PM

Here is an article/interview with USGS scientists about the whole thing:
http://www.atsnn.com/story/37222.html

lotrfan55345

Mar 11th, 2004, 3:02 PM

Damn lying highly-payed geologists. I love the part when he/she said "The animals in Yellowstone are in yellowstone are migratory, that is why they moved" ... LoL!

Bigsky770

Mar 11th, 2004, 4:02 PM

I've printed it all out, will read it. Sounds like there may be some grounds to suspect a 'conspiracy of silence'. . . .

Thanx once again. . . . .Joe (Bigsky770)

SladeLoD

Mar 11th, 2004, 5:30 PM

Joe,I emailed you the information you asked for.Reputable website,,,then they yanked it all.Now all i have is the same information as you.

lotrfan55345

Mar 11th, 2004, 5:41 PM

D' arvit

/elvin swear word (lol)

Bigsky770

Mar 11th, 2004, 7:19 PM

When I had previously stated that my NEW E-Mail address is;

Bigsky_770@ hotmail.com I should have added that with this format, the

CORRECT E-Mail Address may not appear as such. THERE IS AN UNDERSCORE

BETWEEN the "Bigsky" and the "770," just so's you'll know, and E-Mail can get

to me post-haste. . . . ;)

Stay Cool, Joe (Bigsky770)

LC Jeffries

Mar 11th, 2004, 8:39 PM

I've been concerned about the Yellowstone event happening. My family lives in both New Mexico and California.

We live in Georgia. How will the East Coast be effected by such an event?

Will we get all the Fall Out so to speak?

Anyone Please.

By the way, I'm glad we are are back. :D

Lori

lotrfan55345

Mar 11th, 2004, 8:45 PM

Within 600-1000miles of Yellowstone will be totaly destroyed in seconds. The rest of the US and Canada will have 6~2 feet of ash and then we will be starved to deat due to the ice age with the ash in the atmosphere causing it.

bbbv3.5

Mar 13th, 2004, 8:01 AM

I saw my brother go on this forum alot of couple of months ago. I just about a week ago did some research on the Yellowstone Caldera. It said only a couple of states around would be seriously affected (Idaho, Montana, Oregon etc.). The rest would survive.

bbbv3.5

Mar 13th, 2004, 8:41 AM

Hey LOTR.... my brother once called you not educated cause you did not graduated from High School and I want to apologize for what he said. After all I am only 2 years older then you.

SeekNDestroy

Mar 13th, 2004, 8:53 AM

You got a link to that research? The whole world would be affected, as the ash would block out sunlight and prevent crops from growing.

Lori, the good news is that the odds on it happening in our lifetime is virtually 0 - so don't worry.

bbbv3.5

Mar 13th, 2004, 11:35 AM

Ill find it... one of the back searches of google... the site said it was hooked to the yellowstone site. I am sorry but I did not add it to my favorites.... i am not obsessed with armageddon. lol

Hoodlum

Mar 17th, 2004, 8:18 AM

check out these fairly large earthquakes

http://www.weather.com/maps/maptype/earthquakereports/index_large.html

Mr. X

Mar 17th, 2004, 2:04 PM

I still don't think it's going to erupt ;)

Hoodlum

Mar 17th, 2004, 2:19 PM

yes but all it takes is one 7-9 earthquake in the area and theyre going boom!

=/

lotrfan55345

Mar 17th, 2004, 2:47 PM

I dunno, there are no solar flare at the moment. I think it is goign to erupt when a large (X-class) solar flare/CME is going to hit us. :deal:

MBRs_virgy

Mar 17th, 2004, 2:54 PM

I'm sorry, I'm confused. Are you referring to the small 3-pointer quake in Southern Idaho or the rash of mild quakes that hit Wyoming earlier this year (in January, I believe), the largest of which I believe was a 5.0? In any case, I think they are all too small to be very noteworthy - and you can take that from a girl who grew up in Alaska and has lived through her share of volcanic eruptions and scares. :wink:

Hoodlum

Mar 17th, 2004, 3:07 PM

who knows if it will even take a solar flare to set them off, day by day millions of gallons of magma flow more to the surface. so who knows when the ground couldnt take it any more an started to crack and rumble, then it would be the disaster...

lotrfan55345

Mar 17th, 2004, 3:17 PM

The govt is editing the info... Look at the "Earthquake Headline" on RENSE.com

MetalMilitia

Mar 17th, 2004, 3:44 PM

See if this happens...

Today is Wed, March 17th 2004.

There will be an earthquake measuring 6.3 or better in Turkey within the week.

Alaska will have a 5.5-7.5 quake before the end of this month

Washington State will see increased activity along its Northern coastal areas, with a large increase in 3.0 to 4.5 quakes...mostly in the sound and towards Victoria Island.

Finally, Iran or China will have a significant quake 6.5 or greater in the next month.

Let's see if I'm psychic.

lotrfan55345

Mar 17th, 2004, 4:25 PM

Let's see if I'm psychic.

... or a government agent that has access to HAARP plans. :spy:

bbbv3.5

Mar 17th, 2004, 5:59 PM

I think it will erupt soon ( next 50 years ) but it won't be that big of an eruption.

MBRs_virgy

Mar 17th, 2004, 7:05 PM

Alaska will have a 5.5-7.5 quake before the end of this month

Let's see if I'm psychic.

Psychic, no, lol - educated? More likely. :wink: This is indeed earthquake season (at least up north) - not that that would entirely matter as 5.5-6.5 aren't really that big of a surprise or rarity up there - but the likelyhood of having a large earthquake is higher than it would be in, say, October. There's a reason on the top 10 list of earthquakes worldwide Alaska has three spots (slots 2, 3, and 6) and in the United States top 10 list we have 7 slots (slots 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, and 9).

MBRs_virgy

Mar 17th, 2004, 7:10 PM

The govt is editing the info... Look at the "Earthquake Headline" on RENSE.com
I just finished reading that article - thank you for the link. However, I have to disagree with you, I do not believe that the government is covering anything up in this particular instance, or, at the very least, covering anything up that has to do with this particular volcano. As with all quakes or siesmic disturbances reasearch is key, as in, it is important to find out if the earth was truly or rumbling or was the distrubance something that man has done. In this case, I believe the explanation of mining or some other man mind distrubance - I think the better questions to this article is who is mining, what are they mining, why are they mining, and why isn't this information public (if it is indeed not - admittedly I have not researched this area or any businesses around this area)?

lotrfan55345

Mar 17th, 2004, 8:36 PM

I guess I don't completly agree with it. I'm on the verge of agreeing/disagreeing :confused: I do have to agree about the part about what are they mining and such.

Bigsky770

Mar 18th, 2004, 9:12 PM

- - -What follows here is a 'listing' of the earthquake activity in and around Yellowstone Nat'l Park and Utah over the past week. Total NUMBER of these quakes over the past week is 71.
- - -Within the past year that I have been following these links, this is the most activity I've seen in this area in so short a period of time.

map 1.3 2004/03/16 14:19:31 41.081N 111.564W 2.2 9 km ( 6 mi) NW of Henefer, UT
map 1.5 2004/03/18 08:14:42 39.667N 111.933W 3.0 10 km ( 6 mi) WSW of Nephi, UT
map 1.5 2004/03/18 08:54:44 39.700N 111.978W 16.9 12 km ( 8 mi) W of Nephi, UT
map 1.7 2004/03/18 08:37:35 39.667N 111.933W 2.9 10 km ( 6 mi) WSW of Nephi, UT
map 1.7 2004/03/18 08:27:58 39.658N 111.936W 3.0 10 km ( 6 mi) SW of Nephi, UT
map 1.4 2004/03/18 08:19:26 39.665N 111.930W 1.8 10 km ( 6 mi) WSW of Nephi, UT
map 2.4 2004/03/18 14:22:37 40.730N 112.056W 7.9 4 km ( 3 mi) ENE of Magna, UT
map 2.2 2004/03/18 08:09:42 39.665N 111.929W 2.0 9 km ( 6 mi) WSW of Nephi, UT
map 2.2 2004/03/18 08:02:21 39.663N 111.935W 2.0 10 km ( 6 mi) WSW of Nephi, UT
map 1.8 2004/03/18 08:03:49 39.658N 111.943W 3.0 11 km ( 7 mi) WSW of Nephi, UT
map 2.0 2004/03/18 06:20:10 39.658N 111.936W 1.8 10 km ( 6 mi) SW of Nephi, UT
map 1.5 2004/03/18 05:45:01 39.662N 111.916W 0.6 9 km ( 6 mi) WSW of Nephi, UT
map 1.5 2004/03/18 05:45:01 39.662N 111.916W 0.6 9 km ( 6 mi) WSW of Nephi, UT
map 2.6 2004/03/18 06:22:59 39.653N 111.937W 1.2 9 km ( 6 mi) SW of Nephi, UT
MAP 3.3 2004/03/18 07:58:32 39.654N 111.939W 0.6 7 km ( 4 mi) SW of Nephi, UT
map 1.6 2004/03/16 10:18:37 44.773N 110.828W 5.0 11 km ( 7 mi) WNW of Norris Junc., WY
map 2.0 2004/03/16 19:38:22 40.730N 112.056W 7.2 4 km ( 3 mi) ENE of Magna, UT
map 1.4 2004/03/17 02:26:02 39.595N 111.412W 8.2 4 km ( 3 mi) SSE of Fairview, UT
map 0.2 2004/03/17 04:09:49 44.785N 110.824W 4.9 12 km ( 7 mi) WNW of Norris Junc., WY
map 2.8 2004/03/17 12:36:34 38.325N 112.320W 0.1 18 km (11 mi) N of Circleville, UT
map 1.9 2004/03/16 08:40:40 38.187N 112.681W 0.1 11 km ( 7 mi) SSW of Beaver, UT
map 1.2 2004/03/15 10:36:07 39.598N 111.414W 8.2 4 km ( 2 mi) SSE of Fairview, UT
map 1.3 2004/03/15 09:18:59 39.661N 111.914W 3.9 9 km ( 5 mi) SW of Nephi, UT
map 0.5 2004/03/15 08:35:12 41.256N 111.781W 11.7 4 km ( 3 mi) W of Huntsville, UT
map 0.5 2004/03/15 08:35:12 41.256N 111.781W 11.7 4 km ( 3 mi) W of Huntsville, UT
map 0.5 2004/03/15 08:35:12 41.256N 111.781W 11.7 4 km ( 3 mi) W of Huntsville, UT
map 0.1 2004/03/15 07:12:21 41.929N 112.369W 1.6 26 km (16 mi) W of Clarkston, UT
map 0.5 2004/03/14 23:15:04 41.922N 112.368W 2.2 26 km (16 mi) W of Clarkston, UT
map 1.4 2004/03/14 08:23:02 39.667N 111.921W 3.0 9 km ( 5 mi) WSW of Nephi, UT
map 2.6 2004/03/14 12:25:34 38.833N 111.603W 23.6 26 km (16 mi) ESE of Salina, UT
map 2.7 2004/03/16 01:14:24 42.391N 111.550W 3.7 18 km (11 mi) WSW of Georgetown, ID
map 0.3 2004/03/14 15:54:10 41.928N 112.374W 1.4 27 km (17 mi) W of Clarkston, UT
map 0.3 2004/03/14 11:48:34 41.943N 112.375W 1.8 27 km (17 mi) W of Clarkston, UT
map 0.4 2004/03/14 04:31:15 41.926N 112.365W 1.4 26 km (16 mi) W of Clarkston, UT
map 0.7 2004/03/13 18:51:24 40.497N 111.346W 12.5 6 km ( 4 mi) E of Heber City, UT
map 2.2 2004/03/15 22:19:12 39.645N 111.939W 1.2 11 km ( 7 mi) SW of Nephi, UT
map 1.1 2004/03/13 17:33:58 39.657N 111.919W 2.9 9 km ( 6 mi) SW of Nephi, UT
map 1.8 2004/03/13 17:26:45 40.507N 111.354W 11.6 5 km ( 3 mi) E of Heber City, UT
map 1.0 2004/03/13 17:07:28 39.665N 111.933W 3.9 10 km ( 6 mi) WSW of Nephi, UT
map 0.5 2004/03/15 20:41:42 40.435N 111.536W 5.8 10 km ( 6 mi) SSW of Midway, UT
map 1.6 2004/03/15 18:46:14 38.628N 112.606W 0.6 24 km (15 mi) SW of Kanosh, UT
map 1.3 2004/03/13 13:45:30 39.659N 111.922W 3.9 9 km ( 6 mi) SW of Nephi, UT
map 1.7 2004/03/13 06:50:21 39.694N 112.049W 7.0 18 km (11 mi) W of Nephi, UT
map 0.6 2004/03/15 16:00:59 41.914N 112.368W 3.4 26 km (16 mi) NW of Garland, UT
map 1.8 2004/03/15 15:13:44 39.651N 111.939W 2.0 11 km ( 7 mi) SW of Nephi, UT
map 1.3 2004/03/15 15:05:50 39.589N 111.413W 3.1 5 km ( 3 mi) SSE of Fairview, UT
map 2.0 2004/03/15 14:49:40 39.582N 111.416W 4.0 5 km ( 3 mi) NE of Mount Pleasant, UT
map 0.9 2004/03/12 20:49:34 41.551N 112.435W 2.2 27 km (17 mi) WSW of Bear River City, UT
map 1.2 2004/03/12 15:03:32 42.427N 111.562W 6.7 14 km ( 9 mi) WSW of Georgetown, ID
map 1.3 2004/03/14 20:15:51 38.181N 112.623W 7.0 11 km ( 7 mi) S of Beaver, UT
map 0.5 2004/03/14 18:14:01 41.926N 112.373W 1.5 27 km (17 mi) W of Clarkston, UT
map 0.5 2004/03/14 21:29:40 44.747N 110.864W 4.9 11 km ( 7 mi) N of Madison Junc., WY
map 0.9 2004/03/14 17:11:56 44.572N 110.363W 14.3 1 km ( 1 mi) NE of Fishing Bridge, WY
map 0.7 2004/03/14 10:33:40 41.922N 112.366W 1.8 26 km (16 mi) W of Clarkston, UT
map 0.6 2004/03/14 10:06:14 41.920N 112.367W 2.3 26 km (16 mi) NW of Garland, UT
map 1.5 2004/03/14 10:01:22 41.907N 112.367W 4.3 25 km (16 mi) NW of Garland, UT
map 0.2 2004/03/13 13:21:58 40.498N 111.342W 9.5 6 km ( 4 mi) E of Heber City, UT
map 2.4 2004/03/13 08:06:05 39.650N 111.941W 1.4 11 km ( 7 mi) SW of Nephi, UT
map 1.5 2004/03/13 07:23:30 39.677N 111.908W 2.5 7 km ( 4 mi) WSW of Nephi, UT
map 2.0 2004/03/13 06:52:40 39.659N 111.933W 1.4 10 km ( 6 mi) SW of Nephi, UT
map 1.6 2004/03/13 06:48:48 39.669N 111.918W 3.0 8 km ( 5 mi) WSW of Nephi, UT
map 1.8 2004/03/13 06:40:16 39.659N 111.939W 1.1 10 km ( 7 mi) WSW of Nephi, UT
map 1.3 2004/03/13 06:25:49 39.666N 111.913W 3.9 8 km ( 5 mi) SW of Nephi, UT
map 1.5 2004/03/13 06:18:11 39.663N 111.921W 0.7 9 km ( 6 mi) SW of Nephi, UT
map 1.6 2004/03/13 02:37:18 39.666N 111.933W 3.0 10 km ( 6 mi) WSW of Nephi, UT
map 1.9 2004/03/13 01:43:25 39.653N 111.941W 1.4 11 km ( 7 mi) SW of Nephi, UT
map 1.6 2004/03/13 01:41:09 39.667N 111.935W 1.8 10 km ( 6 mi) WSW of Nephi, UT
MAP 3.2 2004/03/13 06:04:47 39.656N 111.939W 2.1 10 km ( 6 mi) SW of Nephi, UT
map 1.9 2004/03/11 22:19:24 37.008N 112.902W 4.6 7 km ( 4 mi) ENE of Colorado City, AZ
map 2.2 2004/03/11 22:21:14 37.016N 112.919W 8.7 6 km ( 4 mi) ENE of Colorado City, AZ
map 0.9 2004/03/12 01:34:41 44.626N 110.674W 3.6 12 km ( 7 mi) S of Norris Junc., WY

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Submitted by Joe (Bigsky770)

Hoodlum

Mar 19th, 2004, 6:35 AM

Thats amazing Joe, kind of makes you wonder more about how much more it will take before the big boys come? :nono:

lotrfan55345

Mar 19th, 2004, 9:15 AM

O_o

Thats kindof... scary. :Bdevil:

Bigsky770

Mar 19th, 2004, 5:33 PM

- - And this is the "Updated" count of how many Microquakes/Earthquakes have occurred within the last week;

There are 84 earthquakes on this map. At this point, I'm not going to bother post anymore info as to the Magnitude/longitude/latitude coordinates/time; The list is TOO LONG, and takes-up too much valuable space on the board. .

Folks, this is gettin' wacky. . . . .(beginning to wonder how all those 'Scientists' can keep-up with all this activity. . . ) :bounce:

Joe (Bigsky770)

Hoodlum

Mar 19th, 2004, 5:44 PM

If we can look ona global scale, i think all over the world is having increases in seismic activity. Also you may note more volcano eruptions this year than before. We should look for sources on this. My girlfriend told me she used to live on an island in Alaska and there were earthquakes every dow, but now i heard that island is uninhabitable and had been evacuated and no one lives there. I think this may mean the earths magma is pushing up all over the place
and they may all go up at once or in sequence!

Anyone played Fallout series? I belive the earth will turn out this way in the future...

:crs:

lotrfan55345

Mar 20th, 2004, 9:49 PM

I havent watched it, is it on DVD? I'll be sure to "legally obtain" it. :smokin:

Hoodlum

Mar 22nd, 2004, 6:46 AM

Its a computer game, but that would own if they ever made the movie...

iangurney

Mar 23rd, 2004, 5:38 AM

I've read a good deal of the posts regarding the Yellowstone Supervolcano and the Cumbre Viejo volcano on Las palma in the Canaries. Recently I wrote two articles on these "extinction times" events and thought you might be interested in reading them.
I hace had a long association with Prof. Bill McGuire and Dr. Simon Day, both experts in the field from the "Benfield Gregg Hazards Research Laboratory" at University Colleg London. Their extensive research and knowledge proved invaluable in enabling me to fully grasp the magnitude of events that could take place if these two volcanoes erupt. I have posted the first article regarding Yellowstone here and will post the Las Palma information under another new thread. Please note the dates these articles were published.

A Monster Awakens?
by Ian Gurney.

"In the heart of America lies a monster that could destroy life on earth."

Published in the Daily Express. 10th. September 2003.

Part of America's Yellowstone National Park was closed to visitors on
July 23rd. and remains closed due to high ground temperatures and
increased thermal activity in the park. National Park Superintendent
Suzanne Lewis said that "A portion of the Norris Geyser Basin on the
west side of the park has been closed."*
On August 7th. the United States Geological Survey (USGS) reported
that scientists were planning to set up a temporary network of
seismographs, Global Positioning System receivers and thermometers to
monitor increasing hydrothermal activity in the Norris Geyser Basin and
gauge the risk of a hydrothermal explosion.**
On August 10th. the Denver Post reported that Liz Morgan, a U.S.
Geological Survey research geologist had discovered a huge bulge
underneath Yellowstone Lake that had risen 100 feet from the lake floor.
The bulge is two thousand feet long and has the potential to explode at
any time. Morgan was quoted as saying that "The inflated plain is a
potential and serious hazard and possible precursor to a large
hydrothermal explosion event."***
Then, on August 24th. The University of Utah Seismograph Station
reported that a magnitude 4.4 earthquake occurred just 9 miles
southeast of the southern entrance to Yellowstone National Park. USGS
scientists agreed that the earthquake was "uncommon" in that it was a
very shallow earthquake, occuring just 0.3 miles below the surface.****
Jacob Lowenstern, a researcher for the U.S. Geological Survey and
scientist-in-charge of the Yellowstone Volcano Observatory said: "Our
goal is to understand what's driving this volcanic system, and are there
indications it could be moving into a period of unrest?"*****
This worrying situation was confirmed on September 8th. by Dr. Bruce
Cornet, a geologist and paleobotanist with the USGS, who explained:
"Steam pressure is apparently building again in Yellowstone, and
hydrothermal fluids and steam are working their way up through
fractures and vents. If more steam vents appear, that means a continuous
pathway for pressure release has been established to the magma
chamber. If that happens, the pressure in the magma chamber will
continue to drop until it reaches a critical stage when the superheated
water within the magma explodes. Unfortunately, as the steam
venting subsides, there will be a false sense of security.
People will think it was just another cyclical event, and the
danger is over. But that will be the farthest from the
truth. It will be the quiet before the storm."******
Initially this should be of little or no consequence to anyone apart from
those planning to visit Yellowstone.....................except for one thing.
Lurking beneath Yellowstone National Park is one of the most destructive
natural phenomena in the world - a massive supervolcano.
Only a handful exist in the world but when one erupts the explosion will
be heard around the globe. The sky will darken, black acid rain will fall,
and the Earth will be plunged into the equivalent of a nuclear winter. It
could push humanity to the brink of extinction.
Volcanoes have always been a threat to humanity. The Tambora eruption
in Indonesia in 1815 killed more than 90,000 people, while the Krakatau
eruption in 1883, also in Indonesia, killed 36,000. The last supervolcano to
erupt was Toba in Sumatra 74,000 years ago. It created a global
catastrophe that dramatically affected life on Earth. Toba blasted so
much ash and sulphur dioxide into the stratosphere that it blocked out
the sun, causing the Earth's temperature to plummet, and possibly
reducing the population on Earth to just a few thousand people. For a long
time scientists have known that volcanic ash can affect the global
climate. The fine ash and sulphur dioxide blasted into the stratosphere
reflects solar radiation back into space and stops sunlight reaching the
planet. Temperatures drop dramatically and nothing grows, causing mass
starvation.
Bill McGuire, professor of geohazards at the Benfield Greig Hazard
Research Centre at University College London, says that America's
Yellowstone Park is one of the largest and most dangerous supervolcanoes
in the world. "The Yellowstone volcano can be likened to a sleeping
dragon," says Professor McGuire, "whose slow breathing brings repeated
swelling and sinking of the Earth's crust in northern Wyoming and
southern Montana."
Professor McGuire went on to explain that: "Many supervolcanoes are not
typical hill-shaped structures but huge, collapsed craters called
"calderas" that are filled with hot magma and are harder to detect. The
Yellowstone supervolcano was detected in the Sixties when infra-red
satellite photographs revealed a magma-filled caldera 85km long and
45km wide. It has been on a regular eruption cycle of 600,000 years. The
last eruption was 640,000 years ago, so the next is long overdue."
Volcanologists have been tracking the movement of magma under the park
and have calculated that in parts of Yellowstone the ground has risen
over seventy centimetres, almost two and a half feet, since 1923,
indicating a massive swelling underneath the park.
"The impact of a Yellowstone eruption is terrifying to comprehend." says
Professor McGuire. "Magma would be flung 50 kilometres into the
atmosphere. Within a thousand kilometres virtually all life would be killed
by falling ash, lava flows and the sheer explosive force of the eruption.
One thousand cubic kilometres of lava would pour out of the volcano,
enough to coat the whole of the USA with a layer 5 inches thick. The
explosion would be the loudest noise heard by man for 75,000 years."
The long-term effects would be even more devastating. The thousands of
cubic kilometres of ash that would shoot into the atmosphere would block
out light from the sun, making global temperatures collapse. This is called
a nuclear winter. A large percentage of the world's plant life would be
killed by the ash and the drop in temperature. The resulting change in the
world's climate would devastate the planet, and scientists know that
another eruption is due - they just don't know when.
Michael Rampino, a geologist at New York University, quoted in a BBC
Horizon documentary on Supervolcanoes******* three years ago
explained: "It's difficult to conceive of an eruption this big. It's really
not a question of if it'll go off, it's a question of when, because sooner or
later one of these large super eruptions will happen."
Professor McGuire says "There's nowhere to hide from the effects of a
supervolcano. One day - perhaps tomorrow, perhaps in fifty years,
perhaps in 10,000 - it will erupt; once again wreaking devastation across
the North American continent and bringing the bitter cold of Volcanic
Winter to Planet Earth. Mankind may become extinct."
So the rumblings currently going on underneath Yellowstone should be a
warning not just to those who plan to visit the National Park, but to the
whole world. If the increased thermal activity is the precursor to an
eruption event, we may well be on the brink of the biggest catastrophe
the modern world has ever witnessed.

© Copyright: Ian Gurney. 2003.

Research Links:
*http://www.nps.gov/yell/press/0362.htm
**http://www.nps.gov/yell/press/0373.htm
**http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/yvo/new.html#bulge
***http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E53%257E15618
52,00.html
****http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/yvo/monitoring.html
*****http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030904/a
p_on_sc/geyser_guessing
******http://www.earthchangestv.com/breaking/2003/september_2003
/08yellowstone.htm
*******http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/1999/supervolcanoes_scri
pt.shtml
Map of Past Eruptions:
http://www.news.wisc.edu/newsphotos/images/volano_lg.jpg
More information on Yellowstone Volcano:
http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/yvo/new.html
Maps and Photos:
http://www.nps.gov/yell/tours/norris/index.htm

Contact number for Prof. Bill McGuire: ++44 207 578 7000.

© Copyright: Ian Gurney. 2003.
Ian Gurney is a journalist, broadcaster and author of the bestseller "The
Cassandra Prophecy" (www.caspro.com) published by International Global
Press. ISBN 0953581314.