Lack of respect. Assault of charecter!

[Assassin X]

I really thought since the site introduced new rules maybe people would be more mature about things but nothing really changed. Some members just seem more cocky then ever.

Does anyone even care about assaulting someones character? I think theres needs to be rules in place about sticking to topic and not making accusations, especially strong ones. Half the topics here always go off topic, twist peoples words or end up insulting the people that made it if the majority doesn't agree. I thought the point of this forum was to post your opinion? Not get thrown back if someone doesn't agree? So much for diversity!

Example being my latest topic about babies, sex and abortion. I made a reference to blacks and sex. Right away people that are politically incorrect.....somehow get all Politically correct and offended and at first say I am wrong, then get so mad they call me a racist. Those are strong accusations to accuse someone of.

Instead of letting me even explaining anything (I won't mention names) it was closed down, there by making me look guilty. People assume everything you say on here is your personal opinion. Well if I say "China likes killing children", does that mean I like killing children? No, it means I am just stating fact, something I know, not something I agree with necessarily or is my opinion. (obviously not a real fact). But of course I never got to post that there.

People still assault religion like crazy, so I guess its still ok to attack someones character to. Some of the moderators aren't a good choice IMO either. You need a diverse group of people from various backgrounds, religions and ethnic groups. Or else things get one sided. So far they all seem to hate religion, hate anything "politically incorrect", anything not spelled right or bad grammar, anything wrong and anything not of there opinion. And on a side note, younger moderators are NOT a good choice. They are still young and hormonal and get way to angry way to quick... once again not pointing any fingers.

Maybe I do "speak my mind", but outside of this forum I am the nicest, most kind, loving person you'll meet. So if you'd rather have mods like that instead of me then thats fine. But at least I am fair. I separate my "forum" personality from my "admin" ability's. I admin other forums and people think I do wonderful jobs.... well ok I use to before forums closed.

So don't complain again about lack of new people, who wants to come to a place where theres really only one opinion allowed and nothing else and where theres no real rules to protect you from people attacking your character and twisting everything you say. I find myself "lurking" more then logging in. The only person I really like on here is lazserus and those of you that helped me out with my life. The rest of you just seem to be angry all the time, rude and nasty when someone shares something that isn't along the lines of what you like. Its hard to post anything on here without wondering what reaction to get.

Feel free to twist this, rip it apart, analyze me through it, insult my character or as usually bring up past events that probably weren't my opnions so you can slam my character.

[liberdave]

I really thought since the site introduced new rules maybe people would be more mature about things but nothing really changed. Some members just seem more cocky then ever. What rules are you talking about?


Does anyone even care about assaulting someones character? I think theres needs to be rules in place about sticking to topic andnot making accusations, especially strong ones. Half the topics here always go off topic, twist peoples words or end up insulting the people that made it if the majority doesn't agree. I thought the point of this forum was to post your opinion? Not get thrown back if someone doesn't agree? So much for diversity!The point of this forum is to post your opinion. Unfortunately, we have rules, and these rules need to be followed. You broke the rules, AssX. Why are you mad if you broke the rules?


Example being my latest topic about babies, sex and abortion. I made a reference to blacks and sex. A racist and derogatory statement, yes.


Right away people that are politically incorrect.....somehow get all Politically correct and offended and at first say I am wrong, then get so mad they call me a racist. Those are strong accusations to accuse someone of. You even admitted in that thread that you were..

I will be PI (Politically Incorrect), racist...whatever you want to call it.....


Instead of letting me even explaining anything (I won't mention names) it was closed down, there by making me look guilty. You can't post an opinion without posting your whole thought. If you were to follow the rules from the beginning, the thread would have been a pleasant discussion. Instead, you blatantly and admittedly chose to break them. Where is the problem here?


People assume everything you say on here is your personal opinion. What else are we to think? Unless you post differently, we are to assume that you are posting opinions. This is the way forums work.



Well if I say "China likes killing children", does that mean I like killing children? Use logic here, please. The subject of this sentence is "China" the predicate is "likes killing children." Therefore, you are talking about China, China is the one who is doing the action, not you.



No, it means I am just stating fact, something I know, not something I agree with necessarily or is my opinion. (obviously not a real fact). But of course I never got to post that there. Right, but let's think here...

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another race or races.
So, we will take your post and dissect it. And please, understand that I am trying to show you what you did wrong. I am not trying to publicly humiliate you, if you wanted this done privately, you should have asked in private.


I will be PI (Politically Incorrect), racist...whatever you want to call it..... Again, here is the admission of guilt.


Lots of problems with this country is things like in ghettos (or whatever you wish to call them) moms have children over and over and over again. Then the drain the system and complain about everything. CLOSE YOUR LEGS. This statement is not racist, it is classist, but that is not against the rules...


Then there is the common knowledge that in places like in certain southern states women like to "screw" every guy that walks buy. Once again CLOSE YOUR LEGS! This is close to racist. But, again, no rules have been broken.


I can take it a step farther by saying blacks particularly like sex. No stop right here because this is your first issue. Everyone likes sex, right? Of course, but this is not what you are saying. You have linked promiscuity to blacks. You have just got done talking about different classes of people who need to "close their legs". Now, you are implying that blacks are doing the same things other promiscuous people are doing.

Let's go back to the definition of racism, read it carefully, it seems that this statement has fit it nicely. Let's continue.


Black men are proud of their "size" and "performance" and both men and women (blacks still) can't get enough of it. Here, you are implying that black women can't stop having sex. This is really derogatory. Check this statement with the definition.


Don't believe me ask any average black person. Do you know an average black person? An average white person? Whose average are you talking about? I live in the South, the black people here are a lot different than the ones up North, believe me.


Yeah it doesn't apply for a few but for most that ain't well off its common. In this sentence, you seem to realize that you were being unfair to blacks, so you try to make up for it by hinting at a class issue.


Although to be fair I can say the same about Latinos, although they do take care of their families at least. And as soon, as you realized you were wrong in the sentence before, you turn around and try to equal out some racist balance by accusing Latinos of the same thing.


People still assault religion like crazy, so I guess its still ok to attack someones character to. This is called a strawman argument. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman) You are trying use another argument as a premise, please, stay on topic.


Some of the moderators aren't a good choice IMO either. Ok, so now it seems that this is an opinion, right? You are entitled to it.


You need a diverse group of people from various backgrounds, religions and ethnic groups. Or else things get one sided. So far they all seem to hate religion, hate anything "politically incorrect", anything not spelled right or bad grammar, anything wrong and anything not of there opinion. And on a side note, younger moderators are NOT a good choice. They are still young and hormonal and get way to angry way to quick... once again not pointing any fingers. Your opinion is duly noted.


Maybe I do "speak my mind", but outside of this forum I am the nicest, most kind, loving person you'll meet. I don't doubt that, never have.


So don't complain again about lack of new people Who did?


who wants to come to a place where theres really only one opinion allowed and nothing else and where theres no real rules to protect you from people attacking your character and twisting everything you say. I find myself "lurking" more then logging in. The only person I really like on here is lazserus and those of you that helped me out with my life. The rest of you just seem to be angry all the time, rude and nasty when someone shares something that isn't along the lines of what you like. Its hard to post anything on here without wondering what reaction to get. No one here hates you AssX. I'm sorry that you do not seem to be having fun here. You know that if you need anything, you can ask.


Feel free to twist this, rip it apart, analyze me through it, insult my character or as usually bring up past events that probably weren't my opinions so you can slam my character. Unfortunately, that is what happens on the internet, people debate. And when they debate, they take things you have said and use them to argue against you. I'm sorry. If I could change it I would, but I can't, so we live with it.

[equalizer]

Its important to remember assassin x that people who agree with your views will rarely respond to your posts. The people who disagree the strongest will be the first to respond. Just keep in mind when someone blasts your character that there are many more people who probably agree with you. Its called the silent majority. :2thumbs:

[TC]

So by your reasoning the majority of AO members here agree with Assx's opinion simply because they do not respond! Your logic is as biased as his.

So I'll be the first to disagree with your assumption.

[liberdave]

Its important to remember assassin x that people who agree with your views will rarely respond to your posts. The people who disagree the strongest will be the first to respond. Just keep in mind when someone blasts your character that there are many more people who probably agree with you. Its called the silent majority. :2thumbs: I think that there is some validity in this statement. Most of the time, if I read a thread and I agree with whoever makes the strongest argument, I will not post. But... see below.


So by your reasoning the majority of AO members here agree with Assx's opinion simply because they do not respond! Your logic is as biased as his.

So I'll be the first to disagree with your assumption.
I think apathy also has a little bit to do about it. Some people only log in and post in certain forums, never seeing other threads.

[Sammy56]

So I'll be the first to disagree with your assumptionI'll second it. While it can be true, as well as the apathy liberdave mentioned, if I disagree with someone and someone else has already pointed out reasons why his/her arguments are flawed, then I'm not going to post unless I feel they missed something. So, lack of posting can still mean widespread disagreement.

[TC]

I think apathy also has a little bit to do about it. Some people only log in and post in certain forums, never seeing other threads.

Agreed, apathy has something to do with it, but there are those who post (above mentioned) where its a waste of time to argue the point ( due to past attempts) knowing full well the poster has a particular mind set, and is not open to reason, and takes any and all disagreements as an affront to his person.

[RavenWhitefang]

You hate us...yay good for you, (if you hate us all then why are you still here?) heres the thing. You post Your opinion on these forums, do you expect for everyone to coddle your opinion and say you are right all the time? I'm sorry to say the world does not run that way. People have differences of opinion, deal with it.

We have been getting new members anyways..no worries there.

If you're having a problem with the responses to your topics, Word them Differently. You say quite a Lot that people misunderstand your posts, I think that you misunderstand your posts, think it through before you hit the submit button.

BTW the politically incorrect / racist statement, really doesn't look good for you. And you wonder why people rip your posts apart.

Dont complain about the religion forums when you cant even adhere to your own. You cry foul when someone faces up, but you are the first to admit issues.


I will be PI (Politically Incorrect), racist...whatever you want to call it.....

This is called Hypocracy.

[Assassin X]

Originally Posted by Assassin X http://forums.armageddononline.org/images/black/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.armageddononline.org/showthread.php?p=155311#post155311)
I will be PI (Politically Incorrect), racist...whatever you want to call it.....
Again, here is the admission of guilt.

No, I am saying "These are statments you'll say about me"... "Assassin is Politically Incorrect, Assassin is racist....etc". Not "I am racist, I am whatever". Its the internet so like anything people can read it the wrong way and then think something else. And since I don't get grammar and all that people are always mis understanding what I say.


"You have linked promiscuity to blacks."

Once again this proves people like yourselves like to twist things others say. So when I post something I have to say EVERY single race, religion and what not that has sex? I just brought up a few. If you bring up alot then its to much info and people want the basic point, if you bring up to little (in my case) people twist it and think your being "particular" and racist.


" This is called a strawman argument. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman) You are trying use another argument as a premise, please, stay on topic."

Isn't it typical in this world that theres always a word for something? I bet if I piss at with my knees bent they have a name for it! No, I making a valid point. People attack people on here and theres no thing done about it. Just like people attack religions and nothing is really done about it until its extremely out of control. It should never get that far.

My point to this thing is don't accuse someone of something, you wouldn't do it in real life because in real life (as in not behind a pc) when someone gets called something as hateful as a racist and they are not they way would go nuts and depending on the person kick your ass. I have admittedly TRIED to tell people I have a brain injury and maybe sometimes don;t think things through straight or maybe post things that sound wrong because I am not good at wording stuff. And there are certain people here that mocked my problem privately and till this day use it against me in my topics and forget sometimes I may not post something intending to for it be as bad as it sounds.

Before I hit "POST" I do read what I typed and edit, remove or just don't bother with it if it doesn't sound right or if I even don't get what I typed.

[TC]

I'll take one last shot at reason here. If you imply a negative trait ( in this case promiscuity) dealing with a particular race, then obviously anyone from that race would take an offense towards your remark, right? and if you made that remark, then it can't be twisted by others into something else, right?

You have to take the responsibility for what you said ( seeing as you read and edit) and posted, right? but you go to great lengths to convince us otherwise and perceive any attempt at dialog as a cut to your person.

Everything posted here is open to debate, you know this and should be able to accept what is posted back without the need to see this as a lack of respect towards your person, people disagree with me about a lot of things, but thats what a forum is for....and for most of us, its an enjoyable experience to debate an issue.

[Demonskates]

Its not the first time we've seen a post by you with Blacks are this,or latinos that, or immigrants this, blah blah, blah. Just take your time, and really think out what your trying to say, so people arent jumping on you for sounding racist, or derogatory. Stereotypes arent going to fly with most folks in here.

Now kiss the afro.:afro:

[Cartesiantheater]

Once again this proves people like yourselves like to twist things others say. So when I post something I have to say EVERY single race, religion and what not that has sex? I just brought up a few. If you bring up alot then its to much info and people want the basic point, if you bring up to little (in my case) people twist it and think your being "particular" and racist.

Tell me, if you read the following, what would you think they were trying to say?


Then there is the common knowledge that in places like in certain southern states women like to "screw" every guy that walks buy. Once again CLOSE YOUR LEGS!

I can take it a step farther by saying blacks particularly like sex.

How are you not linking promiscuity to black people?




People attack people on here and theres no thing done about it. Just like people attack religions and nothing is really done about it until its extremely out of control. It should never get that far.

Kind of like how you attacked a race, huh? Got hypocracy?


My point to this thing is don't accuse someone of something, you wouldn't do it in real life because in real life (as in not behind a pc) when someone gets called something as hateful as a racist and they are not they way would go nuts and depending on the person kick your ass.

I do it all the time. "Racist bastard" is the term I often use. I say it at work, at school; I said it to coworkers (including coworkers of different races, creeds, etc).




I have admittedly TRIED to tell people I have a brain injury and maybe sometimes don;t think things through straight or maybe post things that sound wrong because I am not good at wording stuff.

This is part of why, although you can piss me off occassionally, I generally don't dislike you. Another reason is because you just can't help the way you're raised.

But the thing is Assassin, your posts do not reflect a lack of intelligence or difficulty in articulation- they reflect pure old fashioned bigotry, sexism, and close mindedness. You may have trouble articulating what you're trying to post, but it seems clear that you really believe some of it.


And there are certain people here that mocked my problem privately and till this day use it against me in my topics and forget sometimes I may not post something intending to for it be as bad as it sounds.

Who does this to you- who makes fun of your condition in PM's? Perhaps infractions can be given for PM's? That's low, whoever does it.

True, I made fun of you about your sexist post, but I did not make fun of your condition. After your racist comments you deserved for your post to be laughed at. Besides, it really did make me laugh that you seem to think women aren't capable of leadership.

But by NO means do I laugh at your condition, and I think ANYONE who does is lower than dirt.


Before I hit "POST" I do read what I typed and edit, remove or just don't bother with it if it doesn't sound right or if I even don't get what I typed.


Again, we cut you more slack than other people, but some of the comments you make are pretty low. Maybe you don't intend to do it, but it seems nearly every time you make a post it's racist or sexist, in some level.

You know, you should expect responses to posts like the last ones you did. If you're going to make such blatently hatefull/racist comments, you shouldn't be surprised to be "attacked."

I would ask you to look at the thread by Doomer about women (http://forums.armageddononline.org/showthread.php?t=8580&page=2). I want you to see how I and others ALSO "attacked" him.
He basically called all women whores. He was given a little slack at first (due to his personal issues), but eventually he ran out of grace and SEVERAL people 'attacked" him. No one is picking on you Assassin. I am temped to repeat a phrase DBA likes to say... two words... one starts with "p" the other "c" and the second one ends in an "x."

[Assassin X]

I will say if I say anything that is totally wild I might be having a bad day. I've said things to people when I am having really bad day if I got irritated that I don't really remember. Things that aren't even things I may not even agree with. I've looked at some of my old topics and was surprised at some things I have said. I'd if my topic sounds like I am really pissed of then I am probably having a bad day. Like if it sounds like I am "dishing out" on something.

I am sure some people will say "Well supposedly if you say things when your mad thats your true feelings". Well thats not true, because I've heard the very same people say "You tend to say things you don't really mean when your mad, you say things out of anger". Heck I have called my own mother a B**** (our lives our stressful) when we fight sometimes and she knows I don't mean it just like she knows she doesn't mean what she calls me.

Now.....to address for instance you say "You bring up blacks alot". Well where I live its mostly black and our city is the "poorest" in the nation supposedly. But the people around here are idiots (in general, not race wise) and and complain about everything. So if I am having a bad day and I hear about some black family for instance on the news complaining about their drug selling son shooting at cops then getting killed and now they want to sue I get pissed because the people around here always complain. They never want to help themselves.

And when I am having a bad day I have severe headaches, my vision is shakey, I am pukey and I feel like I am crazy. So I just want to post about "Why does <insert thing> have to <insert feeling> about <whatever>!!!!"
Doesn't mean I hate blacks, I just don't like the way the act around here. And it goes for ANYONE really, they all are idiots around here. Lazy people, helpless, defenseless...... see I am thinking about it now.

Id guess my problem is going to be especially online is everyone is going to just assume everything I say is what I feel. Its harder for people to know what you really mean, whats not meant, whats meant when your happy, sad, upset...etc.

From now on I will just avoid coming here when I am having a bad day. Or else people are just going to keep getting the wrong opinion about me.

[Cherisa]

Now kiss the afro.:afro:

HAHAHAHAHA! That is funny!

[Cartesiantheater]

I will say if I say anything that is totally wild I might be having a bad day. I've said things to people when I am having really bad day if I got irritated that I don't really remember. Things that aren't even things I may not even agree with. I've looked at some of my old topics and was surprised at some things I have said. I'd if my topic sounds like I am really pissed of then I am probably having a bad day. Like if it sounds like I am "dishing out" on something.

I am sure some people will say "Well supposedly if you say things when your mad thats your true feelings". Well thats not true, because I've heard the very same people say "You tend to say things you don't really mean when your mad, you say things out of anger". Heck I have called my own mother a B**** (our lives our stressful) when we fight sometimes and she knows I don't mean it just like she knows she doesn't mean what she calls me.

Now.....to address for instance you say "You bring up blacks alot". Well where I live its mostly black and our city is the "poorest" in the nation supposedly. But the people around here are idiots (in general, not race wise) and and complain about everything. So if I am having a bad day and I hear about some black family for instance on the news complaining about their drug selling son shooting at cops then getting killed and now they want to sue I get pissed because the people around here always complain. They never want to help themselves.

And when I am having a bad day I have severe headaches, my vision is shakey, I am pukey and I feel like I am crazy. So I just want to post about "Why does <insert thing> have to <insert feeling> about <whatever>!!!!"
Doesn't mean I hate blacks, I just don't like the way the act around here. And it goes for ANYONE really, they all are idiots around here. Lazy people, helpless, defenseless...... see I am thinking about it now.

Id guess my problem is going to be especially online is everyone is going to just assume everything I say is what I feel. Its harder for people to know what you really mean, whats not meant, whats meant when your happy, sad, upset...etc.

From now on I will just avoid coming here when I am having a bad day. Or else people are just going to keep getting the wrong opinion about me.

That's good enough for me Assassin. I understand things are hard for you at times. However, I still will respond to hateful posts.

It is a wise thing for you to avoid posting here when you are feeling bad. I would take that a step further and avoid any social settings where you might do something you'll regret when you are feeling bad.

Like I said, we'll give you some grace. But really, if you'd only word things differently, it'd probably save you a lot of flak.

[Defiant Noquisi]

Like most everyone that's posted, I find it incredulous that you have posted the way that you did and are now whining because you were spanked for it.

You must have many bad days because your postings have become even more mean-spirited and provocative than when you first came here. Don't ask to be excused, you made the choice to post that way now own up to it. No one threatened you if you didn't do it that way. If you can't hold yourself accountable for your postings then don't post. It's that simple. If you are feeling emotional or "bad" then refrain from posting until you feel better and can be more objective. Bottom line, your "aggressive" style of posting has become the norm for you, change it or don't it's your choice. But don't cry if you are called on it because weve warned you numerous times to adjust it.

You really have little option anymore, change or be banned. You've had ample warning from many moderators. I hope you can keep your word as you posted above. I don't really want to terminate anyone from this board but enough is enough.

Equalizer, the same goes for you as well. You WILL end the crap you've been spewing on this board or be banned. Don't take your RL troubles out on the members here. You have also been warned numerous times as well and it won't take me but a few seconds to end your miserable existence on this board.

Both of you have made it the norm to pull shit out of your ass and then cry because your hands smell bad.

If either of you make one more nasty, racist, aggressive and/or against AO policy post you are gone. Period, no more warnings or discussion about it. You can stay if you behave. If you don't then don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.

[Assassin X]

I wish lazserus would post in here since I talk to him outside AO (not as if were bust buds or anything).

I wanted to say I don't know if I will be staying. I have tried to explain my disabilities and why I post what I do sometime through the years without telling my whole story because if I have to explain everything it sounds more like a "pity more" thing which I can't stand.

But as rough as my life as been I rarely meet people who still get mad, blame me for things I do (Memory, saying things wrong...etc) after I have no choice but to fully explain why I might do what I do.

But on here the "frequent" or "more seen" posters (not all of you, but enough of you) don't care, don't want to here it, are mean and hold it against me, Such as Defiant who in one topic acts like one person yet in here rips into me telling me "change or be banned" like being disabled is something I can change, change the way I feel magically and they way I think when I get "sick". Yeah I have a magic button for that or programmable feelings for being sick that I can change. I do my best to be as normal as I can. I am trying harder every day, especially on here where people seem to be quick to judge every word. You can at least cut some slack since I will never be perfect. I have said before that it would be diffrent if I was just posting nothing but garbage like Jake99, but you can see I do post other things and that I do try.

Another reason people hate me is probably because when I got sick I would get defensive about my religion. Obviously I stopped posting about religion awhile ago but alot of people stopped liking me then (and told me so in messages). Arguing about that subject always splits people up.

I even attempt to try and fix what I have done when I realize after what I posted (like this) and I will try to stop myself if I know I am not feeling well and might have confused thoughts. But still most of you could care less. I am not sure if its because this forum, these subjects draw "strong" personalities or just because like I said you don't care (maybe a bad upbringing, lack of compassion or understanding?)

So I wish most of you well if I don't come back. I really never had a problem with anyone, I came here every morning! Its my homepage! For the rest of you, your understanding and attitude towards the disabled is..... I don't even know what to say about it.
:dunno: :confused: :ohmy:

Hopefully you'll never end up like me and have to experience such crap or have a loved one that has to go through it.

Peace.

[Defiant Noquisi]

But on here the "frequent" or "more seen" posters (not all of you, but enough of you) don't care, don't want to here it, are mean and hold it against me, Such as Defiant who in one topic acts like one person yet in here rips into me telling me "change or be banned" like being disabled is something I can change, change the way I feel magically and they way I think when I get "sick". You act as if you are the only one that is disabled and frought with memory dysfunction. Sorry to be so crass but you aren't the only one. However, the difference between you and I is I make no excuses for the brain damage and mental dysfunction I continuously screw up with. It is what it is. I have described my condition in posts for the education of others, not to beg forgiveness with. I "remind" people how I am affected by it so they don't make the very frustrating mistake of assuming I can think and do things as a "normal" person can when they try to explain things to me that I am confused by. It gives them the opportunity to try and work around my "handicaps" and gives me the opportunity to learn something that I may be shut out from because they can't understand my "problems" and are not able to effectively communicate with me otherwise.

Since you chat with Laz ask him how many times he's busted me for the crap I've pulled including deleting my posts and even entire threads. Not that it's been a numerous amount but he HAS ripped me a new one on occasion because of my occasional outrageous posting behavior. And I DESERVED it. Ever notice that I have long absences here and there? Yeah, it's best I don't post at those times.

No, you've been called on the carpet for your racist and sexist remarks (lack of respect?) which you have continued despite my vehement warning to you in the illegal immigrant thread YOU started. No one, including me has asked you to do anything you are not capable of doing. And if anyone here is even close to understanding what you are going through, it would be me.

I posted as I did above because I wanted it to be very clear, the position you AND Equalizer are in. You are not alone here either although you are acting as if you have been singled out, which my post obviously did not do except to explain why each of you is on "the list".

Throwing Jake's silly posting behavior is nothing more than a distractive tactic to get some of the heat off of you. His repetitive postings are annoying and disruptive at best. You're comparing your vehemently racist and sexist remarks to his holier-than-thou ones. There is no comparison.

You each have been given a choice and it's up to each of you to decide what direction you are going to go in.

So, you can either do it maturely and take responsibility for your mischievious behavior, keep your word as you stated above and not post when you are sick.

Or, you can be Paris Hilton and cry about it, threaten to not come back and want pity as you also did.

I *DO* care, if I didn't I would've slam dunked both of you long ago. You've both been given ample warnings about posting behavior and the forum rules are not hard to find. BOTH OF YOU have been here long enough to be aware of what is and is not allowed here.

You can either be mature and stay or spineless and go. Either way my FIRST consideration is to this site and to defending and maintaining the educational avenue it has provided since before I became a part of it. Don't think I have made you a target, I would defend you in the same way as anyone else who might be subjected to the same. But you ignored repeated warnings.

Now own up, grow up and get back into it, or don't. I don't want to lose ANY members and I don't want ANYONE to feel they are a pariah here. But I didn't decide to make those posts, I didn't force you to make those posts and I can't decide for you to change the nature of them.

[Assassin X]

But you ignored repeated warnings.

Yep, how dare I be sick and not be myself and NOT even now it until AFTER a post is made. Darn me for not being able to help it! Do you tell people with no legs "How many times have I told your lazy, you can skate if you wanted!"

Are you blind?!?!? Do you not read English? Did you not see what I said?!?!?


No, you've been called on the carpet for your racist and sexist remarks (lack of respect?) which you have continued despite my vehement warning to you in the illegal immigrant thread YOU started.

Not my opinions. For one they when I am not feeling well they might be just me "pissed" about something at the time or confused because I can't think straight. Heck I have said I don't believe in god and gone through whole religion hating things at times! I have total opposites of what are my real "opinions". What I am saying is what you see me post is not my real opinion when I don't feel good. I would go as far to almost say I almost have a "split personality when I don't feel good, I am so out of it its like I am in another world and I don't know who I am until I am out of it.



No one, including me has asked you to do anything you are not capable of doing.
Um...."Change or be banned". I have problems that make me sick, my vision gets so bad I get headaches, nausea....etc and then my already bad memory, grammar, word usage....etc just to turn to crap and when that mixes with everything else I have thats when I end up posting the "other" posts.

How am I suppose to change that? Change my vision??? Change my headaches? My anything really? If I NOT to have a bad day you'd have to fix my vision primarily since that is what makes me sick 24/7 (lightly) and gets worse depending on diffrent things. Your asking for impossible things.


So, you can either do it maturely and take responsibility for your mischievious behavior, keep your word as you stated above and not post when you are sick.

Mischievous? Yes. I am purposely doing it. You can't tell someone with a split personality "Hey when John is speaking don't let Bob speak!". well at least I don;t think they can do that. Assuming they can't thats how it is for me usually. But I am getting better about it.

What I am saying on my end is I can "try" and stop myself from posting if I realize I am not feeling good. But it may not always work, I don't even know sometimes until hours later when I feel good again at which point I find out what I did.

And your telling me "No more chances". So basically next time it happens I am screwed because I can't stop something thats unstoppable and impossible to stop every time. I can only try and so far its been going REALLY well. '


...deleting my posts and even entire threads.

Well theres the biggest problem. If I do realize, hopefully sooner, that I made something when I wasn't well maybe I should have the ability yo close or delete a topic. Instead of it being open and people just hating me more for something that isn't even suppose to be there! Wouldn't that make sense to you?

Don't take this personally (although people always do) but you seem to think just because your like me that everyone should be like you and think the same way. Yeah maybe we get some things on the same level but we are diffrent. I can't help the way my brain effects me, I am finally "teaching" it things so I can post more on forums and when not to. But people have to learn it doesn't happen over night and I will not always be myself while I am trying to figure it all out. And more so because I am doing it by myself.

At least give me the option to delete me topics so if for some reason I slip and make a "offensive" topic I can delete it as soon as I notice instead of hounding me about it like some typical "normal" person.

[DontBeAfraid]

Given that posting here takes a very consious and directed effort it is ridiculous to claim that you "Cant help it".

[TC]

I don't know man, but its like your asking for a license to be a dick, the fact that your articulate enough to post and coherent enough to understand your words...well your get my drift.

Thought is what you use to formulate a topic, you had to first come up with the idea or statements, then you put them into print, so you have several opportunities to edit or change your wording, and after you have posted so many topics that have met with rebuke, you must know by now what is acceptable on this board.

[MetalMilitia]

I'm trying here man, really trying to make something and take a new direction. If you deem it necessary and leaving was an option, I would hate to see anyone go... but people aren't going to change.


Does anyone even care about assaulting someones character? I think theres needs to be rules in place about sticking to topic and not making accusations, especially strong ones. Half the topics here always go off topic, twist peoples words or end up insulting the people that made it if the majority doesn't agree. I thought the point of this forum was to post your opinion? Not get thrown back if someone doesn't agree? So much for diversity!
Well for as long as I have personally been on the net, going on 13 years, its the flow. Some topics here may be more sensitive than others, which certainly doesn't give someone the right to call the other a "cocksucker" - but disagreements will always happen. Just keep in mind, as I always did while blogging / writing that insults generally mean they ran out of clever ways to place their OWN views. Genuine thought, and often provocative material, leads to people turtling / bubbling up and resorting to insults.


Instead of letting me even explaining anything (I won't mention names) it was closed down, there by making me look guilty. People assume everything you say on here is your personal opinion. Well if I say "China likes killing children", does that mean I like killing children? No, it means I am just stating fact, something I know, not something I agree with necessarily or is my opinion. (obviously not a real fact). But of course I never got to post that there.

"2.) Armageddon Online believes in free thought and the free flow of information, but will not tolerate derogatory, racist, or hate driven comments. Out of benefit of doubt and patience, any member violating this rule will be warned publicly and possibly privately. If such activity continues the member will be banned from Armageddon Online.

3.) Refrain from blatant name calling, insults or the likes. Some discussions get a bit emotional and heated. Respond to posts maturely and intelligently, straying away from relying on childish insults. Antagonization and provocation is permitted as long as it is on an intelligent wavelength. Do not provoke members just to get a rise out of them.

4.) Armageddon Online is a haven for people as young as the age of 13, thus inappropriate links, images, or posts are subject to punishment to the full extent of Armageddon Online's capabilities. Inappropriate material includes but is not limited to pornography, offensive sexual content, vulgar or obscene images, excessive gore, extreme violent imagery, links to obvious sites containing illegal content, and software piracy - includes warez websites, crack sites, password sites, and others in the warez genre. Violations will result in prompt and permanent denial of service to the Armageddon Online Forums and could be reported to local authorities."


People still assault religion like crazy, so I guess its still ok to attack someones character to. Some of the moderators aren't a good choice IMO either. You need a diverse group of people from various backgrounds, religions and ethnic groups. Or else things get one sided. So far they all seem to hate religion, hate anything "politically incorrect", anything not spelled right or bad grammar, anything wrong and anything not of there opinion. And on a side note, younger moderators are NOT a good choice. They are still young and hormonal and get way to angry way to quick... once again not pointing any fingers.
Politically incorrect eh? A lot of the old debates were blog pieces and political subjects due to the fact that the US was invading Iraq. I wrote semi-daily against organized politics - outright Bush bashing. It's more of a matter of slander or intelligent thought. Making a thread called "Iraq war - politically incorrect" versus "Bush is a Cock Smoker" is a difference.


Maybe I do "speak my mind", but outside of this forum I am the nicest, most kind, loving person you'll meet. So if you'd rather have mods like that instead of me then thats fine. But at least I am fair. I separate my "forum" personality from my "admin" ability's. I admin other forums and people think I do wonderful jobs.... well ok I use to before forums closed.
Maybe you'd like to have your own place to publish your own thoughts? AO is headed that way within the month (hopefully) A section of your own writing / opinions in which you wouldn't be moderated isn't that bad of an idea.


So don't complain again about lack of new people, who wants to come to a place where theres really only one opinion allowed and nothing else and where theres no real rules to protect you from people attacking your character and twisting everything you say.
No opinions would suck as a message board. Maybe we just all need a proverbial 'chill pill'. There are people here age 13 : registered users, and I know there are others that stumble here under that age. According to the rules you gotta be 13 to even join, but maybe an IQ test is in order before you can post? :)


Feel free to twist this, rip it apart, analyze me through it, insult my character or as usually bring up past events that probably weren't my opnions so you can slam my character.

No reason to sir. All opinions are welcome at all times regardless of what's said. I try and keep things semi-worthwhile, but lately being in a little "rut" the only thing that happens is bashing. I hope it stops, and I hope we can move forward as a site as I intend.

-MM

[nrj]

Example being my latest topic about babies, sex and abortion. I made a reference to blacks and sex. Right away people that are politically incorrect.....somehow get all Politically correct and offended and at first say I am wrong, then get so mad they call me a racist. Those are strong accusations to accuse someone of. Yes, they are, your point being? That WAS racist drivel, we all think so, X.


Instead of letting me even explaining anything (I won't mention names) it was closed down, there by making me look guilty. Really? I thought you made a post after mine where you said that you were just using stereotypes and that I was abusing my position as a mod.
People assume everything you say on here is your personal opinion. So, you are now saying that wasn't your opinion, when you even explained that you somehow had personal references to it? Really, X, I don't want to be rude, but I think that's not true.

Well if I say "China likes killing children", does that mean I like killing children? That was not what happened, X. You posted YOUR opinions, and you said that you were going to post your opinions.


People still assault religion like crazy, so I guess its still ok to attack someones character to. Some of the moderators aren't a good choice IMO either. You need a diverse group of people from various backgrounds, religions and ethnic groups. Or else things get one sided. So far they all seem to hate religion, hate anything "politically incorrect", anything not spelled right or bad grammar, anything wrong and anything not of there opinion. And on a side note, younger moderators are NOT a good choice. They are still young and hormonal and get way to angry way to quick... once again not pointing any fingers. Yeah, right, you're not thinking of anyone particular at all. I just happen to be the youngest of the mods and I also happen to be the one who pointed out that your thread didn't belong here. As for the rest of the post, we tried to solve the problem of the Religion boards, such as the never ending atheist vs. christianity threads. If we really did hate religion, we would just solve this by either doing nothing or just removing the Religion forum. And, by the way, if you would check out mods like Cherisa and PF, you would see how wrong you are.


So don't complain again about lack of new people, who wants to come to a place where theres really only one opinion allowed and nothing else and where theres no real rules to protect you from people attacking your character and twisting everything you say. Give me a break. If people really have attacked your character, why haven't you reported that to us? Yes, I do agree B.Nye has been a little bit too intolerant against some people, but if you feel that way, don't hesitate to report.


Um...."Change or be banned". I have problems that make me sick, my vision gets so bad I get headaches, nausea....etc and then my already bad memory, grammar, word usage....etc just to turn to crap and when that mixes with everything else I have thats when I end up posting the "other" posts. I don't want to be rude, but does this really have anything to do about what opinions you post? How can you blame your headache for posting racist comments?

And X, you still haven't admitted it was racist comments. You're still trying to defend it. That thread is gone, and future threads with comments like that will be removed too. That's the way this forum's policy works.

[Assassin X]

I don't care if you delete my "off" topics. Thats what I want. Because I can't always stop myself. While some of you still may think "Oh its just an excuse to post hate messages" or whatever. Are you a doctor to tell me its an excuse? I have seen tons and tons and tons of doctors.

As for the racist admission. I have nothing to admit as I didn't post anything racist that was MY opinion. I posted stuff when I was in a confused, sick and I "Dare" to use the word mental state of mind. I don't know what else to call it at this point. If I have diffrent opinions when I am OVER stressed and WAY beyond the point of being sick but then don't agree with MYSELF when I feel fine then obviously my opinions aren't really mine when I am at that extreme point, heck I even have "mixed" opinions I notice when I don't feel good.

That what I am trying to say, theres not even anyones opinions, there just... "things", like someone talking garble.

I haven't posted in awhile really so I am not sure how my posts have been "more" of a problem. But if they have been I can only say its because my life is only more stressful. Which I won't bother getting into. I have some major stuff going in this next week or two, so maybe I should stay away from the forum.

[MetalMilitia]

Dude you know I'm free and open on thoughts an opinions, never gonna change.

Post what you want when you want, just do it in a manner that isn't offensive and maintains the integrity of the message at hand. That's basically the only rule is that we won't allow people to bitch at each other in public.

I hope to god you don't think it's over-moderated or in some way limiting free speech, cause that limit the entire idea here. There are lines to cross of course (being that we try and keep it clean enough for the average 13 year old to view) but flammatory items never get anywhere.

As far as I know trolling isn't a problem, it's a "lull" in activity for the main things the site represents. I apologize for the lack of disasters and armageddon events. Can you post me to an item of example or thread where you don't think things are right?

-MM

[Demonskates]

I don't care if you delete my "off" topics. Thats what I want. Because I can't always stop myself. While some of you still may think "Oh its just an excuse to post hate messages" or whatever. Are you a doctor to tell me its an excuse? I have seen tons and tons and tons of doctors.

As for the racist admission. I have nothing to admit as I didn't post anything racist that was MY opinion. I posted stuff when I was in a confused, sick and I "Dare" to use the word mental state of mind. I don't know what else to call it at this point. If I have diffrent opinions when I am OVER stressed and WAY beyond the point of being sick but then don't agree with MYSELF when I feel fine then obviously my opinions aren't really mine when I am at that extreme point, heck I even have "mixed" opinions I notice when I don't feel good.

That what I am trying to say, theres not even anyones opinions, there just... "things", like someone talking garble.

I haven't posted in awhile really so I am not sure how my posts have been "more" of a problem. But if they have been I can only say its because my life is only more stressful. Which I won't bother getting into. I have some major stuff going in this next week or two, so maybe I should stay away from the forum.

Dont sweat it Assassin. we all have mental moments. you should see some of the crap i posted on other forums when i was off. i should have been, slaped, sterilized, and shot in the face for some of the things ive said. Dont beat yourself up over it.

[equalizer]

Equalizer, the same goes for you as well. You WILL end the crap you've been spewing on this board or be banned. Don't take your RL troubles out on the members here. You have also been warned numerous times as well and it won't take me but a few seconds to end your miserable existence on this board.



Wow you've been gone awhile. Long enough to not know whats been going on obviously. You don't have to concern yourself with me I already talked to your boss and everything is all better now. If you have any other problems with me take them to Liberdave. Nasty uninformed threats are uncalled for. Thank You.

[Assassin X]

Well I apologize for any past topics that have been offensive. I can't say they were my opinions but things seem to just get worse here (as in my life, not here as in the forums). I'll come back on in a few weeks, alot of the major problems are going to hopefully be resolved by then. I hate making people get the wrong opinion of me. Even if its just a few people. Because you know it only takes a few and it starts spreading around (well in some cases).

[liberdave]

AssasinX, without sounding like a generic post, you really are a good poster. Most of your threads really take off and start great conversation. Plus, you are "old guard" around here and help keep AO going strong.

Now, I'd hate to see you lose your mind so take whatever time you need to get "all your turds in one sock" (as my Dad would say). Remember: AO is supposed to be a hobby and a relaxing escape from everyday troubles (we prefer more apocalyptic troubles :vbroll:) Take care of yourself and, when you are ready, jump back in. We'll still be here.

[Cherisa]

AssasinX, without sounding like a generic post, you really are a good poster. Most of your threads really take off and start great conversation. Plus, you are "old guard" around here and help keep AO going strong.

Now, I'd hate to see you lose your mind so take whatever time you need to get "all your turds in one sock" (as my Dad would say). Remember: AO is supposed to be a hobby and a relaxing escape from everyday troubles (we prefer more apocalyptic troubles :vbroll:) Take care of yourself and, when you are ready, jump back in. We'll still be here.

I agree with you liber... are you like a liger, bred for your skills and magic?

[Cartesiantheater]

I agree with you liber... are you like a liger, bred for your skills and magic?

BAUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAA!!!!!!

here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsDWzhkiIbc), for the curious...

EDIT- and here's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FahfsKOhMzE&mode=related&search=) a REAL one :D

Cherisa, you've inspired me to make a new thread. (http://forums.armageddononline.org/showthread.php?p=156126#post156126) :D

Take a wild guess... what do you think it's about?

[Demonskates]

Nice kitty, nice kitty..........................NO! NOOOO!!!!THATS A BAD KITTY!!!!!!!!!

[MetalMilitia]

Can I end this bullshit? There is no segregated group that get sanctioned nor any other group that gets special privileges. As far as I know as the person paying for the space you post on, its free speech. Wouldn't have it any other way. PPL that donate do get a special board and some extra features, but we don't treat the law here any different.

If there's a beef with the law here, it's a beef against the current rules.....

.... Love to see the thought behind them.....

-MM

[DontBeAfraid]

MM... many here have a PC..... pm ct if you dont know what that means.

The implications though are that the "thought behind them" can not be described as thought so much as a deep character flaw.....

[Cartesiantheater]

MM... many here have a PC..... pm ct if you dont know what that means.

The

::raises hand:; .... What's a PC? :D

[Defiant Noquisi]

As for the racist admission. I have nothing to admit as I didn't post anything racist that was MY opinion. I posted stuff when I was in a confused, sick and I "Dare" to use the word mental state of mind. I don't know what else to call it at this point. One one hand you say you have nothing to admit to, what you posted wasn't "wrong". On the other hand you say you were confused and sick, and that you were down on the mental side. So, how do you even "know" what you did in the first place?

This is my problem, you are never wrong even when you are. And when it's pointed out to you, you become belligerant rather than taking responsibility for what you did and growing from that. You are still arguing that your remarks weren't wrong even though at least 5 people have told you that not only were they wrong, but violated AO's rules. But you still REFUSE not only to see what you did as wrong, but also in even just doing it in the first place.


If I have diffrent opinions when I am OVER stressed and WAY beyond the point of being sick but then don't agree with MYSELF when I feel fine then obviously my opinions aren't really mine when I am at that extreme point, heck I even have "mixed" opinions I notice when I don't feel good. Obvious to YOU maybe, but not to us. Maybe all the opinions you have on you being right and not doing anything wrong aren't really yours? How would you know let alone us realize it?

I don't expect you to post cookie cutter and I don't expect you to think and have the same opinion I do. But let me describe a headache for you because it happened last night into early this morning. I'll tell you, this is very hard for me to type because I am angry and very hurt. Not at you but at someone I care about, a lot more than I should. I'm feeling very emotional right now.

Yesterday I spent the better part of the day reworking a website/forums for the guild I am guild master of in World of Warcraft. This is VERY important to me because there are a few very important players that are considering joining my guild who I used to play under in a really great guild. Well it was, but thats another story. They were raid leaders, main position holders and officers, important guys. And it's very important to me now to make my guild a place that they can fit in with. I need them, they are that good. My headache started about 11am.

I was gonna come here about 1pm but I chose not too, my head was now to the point that I started feeling confused and almost disoriented, it hurt that bad. Even after the super ibuprofen that usually works for me. You know it sucks, they aren't migraines so nothing can be done but wait it out.

It's 11pm. The pain is too much, I get off computer and realize I had yet again, forgotten to use my reading/computer glasses. I hate that. I mark myself as away on IM and go to bed.

I missed an IM from someone I care about, a lot. I got all "stupid excited" when I saw that IM from him flashing when I turned my monitor on. I get kind of excited when I see his name come online. I was in bed, in pain, trying to sleep when he messaged me. He continues to message me then tells me "fuck you then" because I wasn't available to him. It seems that I can't IM him now.

I can do a lot at this point, I could get really angry and spam hate everywhere I go, or I can do nothing. Ok, my head STILL hurts just not as bad. Maybe I shouldn't even post. But one thing I won't tolerate is being treated like shit.

There are a lot of extenuating "circumstances" that I HAD to take into consideration in dealing with this; he didn't know how much pain I was in or that I was even in pain, alcohol, he didn't know I had been working on a website, etc. I can choose to have this person in my online life or not, we have a lot of years behind us.

Thing is, he did something stupid without thinking of how it could affect me and reflect on him. He was wrong but one thing I can count on, he doesn't make a truckload of excuses like you are now, and never has. He'll eventually apologize, in his way usually, and we move forward.

You won't or choose not to. But you want ME to understand something that without being there, or having a lot of years to get to know you, I never will. You are trying very hard to get me to understand something that you say, you were confused in the first place. If this doesn't make sense then maybe I do finally see things the way you do.

[Defiant Noquisi]

Wow you've been gone awhile. Long enough to not know whats been going on obviously. You don't have to concern yourself with me I already talked to your boss and everything is all better now. If you have any other problems with me take them to Liberdave. Nasty uninformed threats are uncalled for. Thank You. Apparently it is you that is uninformed and doesn't know what's going on because Liberdave is not my "boss" and I haven't been gone "awhile". You don't know as much as you think you do.

I WILL deal with you as I see fit to do so and I will direct it AT you if it is warranted. I made no "nasty" post to you. Cry on your mom's shoulder if you see being "terse" as "nasty" if she's still up here. She's the one that takes care of you, not me.

[equalizer]

Apparently it is you that is uninformed and doesn't know what's going on because Liberdave is not my "boss" and I haven't been gone "awhile". You don't know as much as you think you do.

I WILL deal with you as I see fit to do so and I will direct it AT you if it is warranted. I made no "nasty" post to you. Cry on your mom's shoulder if you see being "terse" as "nasty" if she's still up here. She's the one that takes care of you, not me.

According to Lazserus hes in charge of these here boards. If thats not the boss I dont know what is but thats between you and Liberdave. Maybe I don't know as much as I think I do I just noticed you don't post much anymore.
P.S. I would much rather cry on your shoulder.

[liberdave]

According to Lazserus hes in charge of these here boards. If thats not the boss I dont know what is but thats between you and Liberdave. Maybe I don't know as much as I think I do I just noticed you don't post much anymore.
P.S. I would much rather cry on your shoulder.

F.Y.I. -
Laz has resigned his admin duties and retired from AO . He still lurks and posts, but is no longer site admin. I have taken over those duties, as site admin. That being said, I am not DN's boss. She is not (nor anyone else) an employee of AO, nor is she expected to follow orders.

All this being said, I reckon that if I did give her an order, I'd end up with a broken body part. And I heard those hurt. :wink:

[MetalMilitia]

AKA I am your god now, LOL

I'm only here cause ive been working on the site for... errrrr..... 6+ years, "the site" as it is has not changed rules on the board for.... I would say...... um.....6+ years.

It's pretty simple rules, slander gets you nowhere - flattery doesn't get much either. I would prefer an environment where people can at least cope with one and other, despite political/philosophical/religous differences but if need be, people go bye bye for assaults on others.

Nothing more to the policy than that, nor that there ever be.

[equalizer]

F.Y.I. -
Laz has resigned his admin duties and retired from AO . He still lurks and posts, but is no longer site admin. I have taken over those duties, as site admin. That being said, I am not DN's boss. She is not (nor anyone else) an employee of AO, nor is she expected to follow orders.

All this being said, I reckon that if I did give her an order, I'd end up with a broken body part. And I heard those hurt. :wink:

Ok did not know that my bad. DN and I have a little history I was only poking a little fun. I hope she takes it that way. No disrespect intended.

All hail Metalmilitia the new god of AO. I know you said flattery won't get you far but it has to be better than slander. :Bow:

[lazserus]

The new rules I implemented involved detailing older, common sense rules and also providing the proper frame for the moderators to make judgments on. Ao has been, and [hopefully] will always be a form of rational bureaucracy when it comes to leadership and enforcement. Before the new set of rules was publicly established, the [active] administrators and moderators discussed them and made amendments. The rules are mainly common sense and are typically enforced based off the individual moderator's interpretation of those rules.

To be perfectly honest, as moderators died out and new came in, I attempted to set in stone certain rules, behavior, and enforcement techniques so that the members of AO would all feel they were treated the same by leadership (mods). The reality of the matter is that AO can not survive off of mechanisms and impersonal enforcement. Every moderator takes the framework of the rules and delivers his/her own ruling based off personal interpretation. If a ruling is not backed by confidence, the moderator will discuss it with others before initializing a final ruling. The moderators of this site are hand picked and it's typical that [we] all interpret the laws of AO relatively the same. Just remember that if you feel you were prejudiced against by a moderator you can always approach another moderator.


According to Lazserus hes in charge of these here boards. If thats not the boss I dont know what is but thats between you and Liberdave. Maybe I don't know as much as I think I do I just noticed you don't post much anymore.
I took a quasi-dictatorship role when there were no moderators around to challenge. Irregardless, I've always tried to maintain an open mind for the site so that moderators can get in on the decisive action. There has been plenty I've decided was good for AO and the mods shut it down. If the mods disagreed, I never went through with anything. The whole "boss" concept was a facade, to say the least. I'm not longer "in charge" due to my retiring.


Laz has resigned his admin duties and retired from AO . He still lurks and posts, but is no longer site admin. I have taken over those duties, as site admin. That being said, I am not DN's boss. She is not (nor anyone else) an employee of AO, nor is she expected to follow orders.

All this being said, I reckon that if I did give her an order, I'd end up with a broken body part. And I heard those hurt.
Liberdave has taken over my responsibilities as website administrator. He now performs all of the functions I did previously (and probably for the better). I am still a forum administrator, but that's primarily in order to provide support.

Dave makes a good point here by saying that there are no employers or employees on Armageddon Online. All moderators and administrators have been and will be here on a voluntary basis. Moderators and administrators work their butts off for return. [We] all do this because we choose to and care. Of course there are hierarchical tiers in order to provide membership rights security, but when it boils down to it, no one is truly in charge and no one is a subordinate.

[medicvet]

If anyone assaults me with they please add pepper to so I will be evenly seasoned? ty.