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Kohler
Jul 1st, 2007, 1:12 PM
The Nazi Regime would not have been able to coordinate and perpetrate the Holocaust as efficiently without advanced data collecting technology sold to them by International Business Machines (IBM).
Adolph Hitler had come to power in a devastated country. Its military had been weakened by World War I; its population divided over war issues and suffering from extreme hyperinflation of their currency. Their life savings had become useless—a wheelbarrow of money barely able to afford a loaf of bread. Germans had been humiliated at the hands of the allied forces during the signing of the Treaty of Versailles, to them, becoming the laughing stock of the world. The Germans had lost strategic plots of land and all of their colonies to the United States and Britain. Their navy was restricted to a mere six battleships and its army a measly 100,000 men. A large fifty mile chunk of land between France and Germany named the Rhineland had been demilitarized to ensure a French safety cushion. As a result of the War Guilt Clause that blamed the entire war on Germany, they were forced to pay 6,600 million euros (todays calculation) in war reparations.
Growing up, Hitler had idolized Thomas J. Watson, the President of the International Business Machine’s corporation because of his resemblance to Henry Ford, king of industrialization. When Hitler began to come to power in January of 1933 he had immediately began preaching his intentions to produce a master race, namely containing blond haired and blue eyed Germans. Any vague interpretation of his speeches could have been verified by his book which he wrote in prison titled Mein Kamph. Only two months later in March, the first concentration camps had been created. Sixty-thousand helpless Jews had found themselves imprisoned by April, whereas 10,000 were fortunate enough to evacuate. American businesses were forced to decide whether or not to continue trade with the sinister regime, debating whether to be ethical or profitable. Watson, having visited Germany on multiple occasions after World War I felt compassionate for the Germans, because the blame for the great war had been burdened on them alone and none of their allies. Soon Watson will begin to view Hitler and the Nazi’s as a “valuable trading ally” and will decide to provide them with data and statistic equipment with the potential to keep records with the precision, efficiency and quantity which no man could possibly compete.
The Nazi regime wanted to classify all of the people in its borders. They wanted a count of every single person, knowing their background information and religion. In April of 1933, they began to compile a census. A German sub-company of International Business Machines, Dehomag, had been willing to design a package for the Nazi’s which would categorize all Germans; as long as the government would gather the research, IBM and Dehomag promised to develop a machine called the Hollerith. Germans who had been deemed acceptable by Hitler were put to work and able to make a living during this process; “organizing the census was a prodigious task. Dehomag hired some 900 temporary staffers, mainly supplied by the Berlin employment office, which had become dominated by the venomous German Labor Front.”
Hitler had promised a better life for his people, and now that they were beginning to find jobs, were willing to turn a blind eye towards both what they were working on and what had been going on around them. While gathering information, the census bureau would knock door to door and send out questionnaires, inquiring background information, particularly focusing on mixed marriages, race and religion. Towards the end of Hitler’s first year as dictator, all of the questionnaires and data had been sent into Berlin for a more efficient processing; “A continuous speed punching operation ran two shifts, and three when needed. Dehomag decreed a quota of 450,000 cards per day for its workforce. Free coffee was provided to keep people awake. Company officials bragged that the 41 million processed cards, if stacked, would tower two and a half times higher than the Zugspitze, Germany’s 10,000-foot mountain peak.” Jewish people had their cards processed in a different line. The Reich Statistical Office had been able to determine exactly where the largest populations of Jews resided, and were able to figure out the exact numbers as well as the percentage of Jews compromised in the area.
By 1936, Hitler had begun to grow confident and to violate the Treaty of Versailles by sending his army into the Rhineland. Had the French government made even the slightest reply to this defying act, Hitler had been ready to immediately back down. It had always been a dream of the dictator to rule over his true homeland, Austria-- by 1938 this dream became a reality after he annexed the territory. Growing more confident, Hitler asks the British for a small piece of Czechoslovakia. Hoping to appease the dictator, they oblige. In gaining all of this land, Hitler also obtained large populations of Jewish people who needed to be accounted for and dealt with. By 1939, Reinhard Heydrich had sent out notices containing instructions to all other Nazi leaders informing them about the secret policies about how they would deal with Jews in conquered areas.
The technology provided to the Nazi’s by the International Business Machines, a United States corporation, helped round up minorities with ease. Perhaps without this technology, the devastating results of the holocaust could have been delayed until the allied forces liberated the concentration camps towards the end of World War II in 1945.
Hitler and his regime had been motivated to expand their boundaries in order to support his eugenic race. Along with this land came a variety of ethnic inhabitants practicing different religions, the majority of which were unacceptable and would be a considered as a violation to the progressing evolution of a dominant people as described in Mein Kamph. Due to the limitations and restrictions placed on the Germans by the treaty of Versailles, having the ability to kill all Jewish people and minorities in an efficient manner was nothing but a dream to Hitler until they received this revolutionary technology from Watson and International Business Machines that enabled them to keep an accurate census of all German people. Races had been categorized and concentration camps had been set up by the Nazis prior to their trade relations with IBM, but this will have no influence on Watson. The end result will be a genocide committed on such a tremendous scale, that even first world governments will be forced to accept the word genocide in their vocabularies.

TC
Jul 1st, 2007, 2:13 PM
Interesting piece, I knew the Nazi's kept very efficient records as well, which has helped me during the last 30 years of researching the facts of the Holocaust, but I didn't know about the IBM connection, I had always assumed it was the demand in the 30s that all Jews must register within their local communities that led to the eventual categorized grouping methods. Thanks for the info.

Kohler
Jul 1st, 2007, 2:58 PM
no problem, if your interested in this you should check out IBM and the Holocaust by Edwin Black; this was a paper i had to write for a summer class and i thought i'd post it because i thought the topic was interesting

TC
Jul 1st, 2007, 3:28 PM
Vary much interested, I'll check it out. :thumbs:

Raptor Witness
Jul 2nd, 2007, 7:23 AM
Nice piece Kohler, especially if you wrote this yourself, and it appears you did. We are often quick to place the blood of this regime on the hands of all those involved in its early makings. This would include Prescott Bush. While the intent is doubtful, the outcome is clear, as there were many unacclaimed collaborators.

Beatnik Bob
Jul 12th, 2007, 8:00 PM
I read that book myself. There was a punch card system that had sections that classified you as a Jew. Like if you're nose was a certain length, that was put in on the punch cards.
IBM made tons of money off of tons of deaths.

medicvet
Jul 13th, 2007, 12:04 PM
no problem, if your interested in this you should check out IBM and the Holocaust by Edwin Black; this was a paper i had to write for a summer class and i thought i'd post it because i thought the topic was interesting


I have read this book myself and HIGHLY recommend it to everyone as a MUST read.

I think it has a lot of relevance to see what organization and efficiency can do when used for evil ends and when those ends are provided for by those who just don't care as long as they see a good profit margin.

When Hannah Arendt spoke of the banality of evil when writing about Eichmann..that was only half of the story, imho. There is also the BUSINESS of evil as well.

TC
Jul 13th, 2007, 1:23 PM
Perhaps its the absurdity by large groups and nations to contest the validity of the Holocaust that pisses me off more than anything else, one only has to read history to see what has been a repeated circumstance surrounding the Jewish race and its use as a scapegoat for anything from crop failure and disease to economics! No one race has suffered continually for the last 2000 years more than the Jew, so its no surprise that technology would be put to use in a modern era as well.

Remarkably we see an electronic trend in the anti semitic rhetoric that again chooses to blame the Jew by its accusations of a Zionist plot bent on world domination, as well as Israels efforts to protect its national interests being in the forefront of a one sided media and portrayed as brutal and unjust.

Sadly this will continue, and the use of modern technology will eventually be turned on the Jew again, only this time in the form of multi national armaments.

Kohler
Jul 13th, 2007, 11:13 PM
i remember hearing from somewhere that IBM is having talks with Iran about verichip technology- not sure if its true or not i'll try to get some inforrmation on it

medicvet
Jul 30th, 2007, 1:55 PM
Well, don't leave us hanging. THIS I want to know more about, one way or the other.

ironwood
Jul 30th, 2007, 3:21 PM
Kohler,
I had not heard of the IBM connection. This is very interesting.
Laser disc technology was developed by Nazi's during WWII in North Africa. You've heard of CD ROMmel. (Sorry, I had to get that out) I'll be good.

I am new here so what I'm going to post may be old news here.

Henry Ford funded Hitler to place a copy of "The Learned Elders of Zion" in every German household. Hitler had a picture of Henry in his bedroom. After the war, Ford was devestated when he was shown the fruit of his ill labor.

There is not a Jewish conspiracy to take over the world. There are groups that operate behind the scenes with a one world government agenda. The CFR is but one of them.

I would like to define "Jew" since this thread involves the holocaust. There are two definitions among the Orthodoxy.

1- The biological offspring of Abraham and Sarah
2- Anyone who embraces and endeavors to follow the Torah. This includes people from all races that embrace the Jewish faith. For instance the Russian Jews portrayed in "Fiddler on the Roof".

Now the sticky stuff. There is a group of people starting with Theodor Herzl, the father of modern Zionism, who were neither biological sons of Abraham and Sarah, nor did they embrace the Torah. He and those who followed in his footsteps called themselves Jews but they did not fit either description. They were imposters. When people see the evil that they have done then they, like Henry Ford, think that they represent the heart of Judaism. They fall into the same deception that Henry Ford did. These Zionists who were not really Jews sold their own people out to Hitler but they themselves did not suffer in his death camps. They blocked every rescue effort possible. Today, every Jew in Israel is taught from birth that they are Zionists. Many of them do embrace the Torah and wait earnestly for their Messiah. The great lie is this:
Zionist = Jew = Zionist.
If this lie is ever questioned by a politician in Washington then the AIPAC will sic the Anti Defamation League on them and their political career is over. The Zionists are one of the worst enemies the modern Jews ever had. There are several Jewish organizations trying to expose this very thing. The major media will lend them no ear.

So in light of Kohler's original post about IBM technology, The monster Hitler could not have accomplished such a reign of terror without the help of cowards from many disciplines and from some very unusual sources.

TC
Jul 31st, 2007, 10:57 AM
Hmm, the thread starts out with some interesting history and ends with an anti Zionist rant, but OK its not the first one, and no doubt not the last. Although I have always found it strange how opinions vary, and how people can adhere to curtain standards that can be used on a daily bases, like Websters as an example, ( who's definition is far from resembling the above quote) and I would assume these same people quote this reference source quite often when the need arises. ( outside of excluding the parts they don't like)

It would be interesting to see the reaction if these rather biased opinions were the new and unabridged version printed in todays public dictionary.

... this thread is something of a good read, but how quickly it dissolves into another NWO conspiracy number.

ironwood
Jul 31st, 2007, 11:14 AM
Shortround,
You make some very good points.
I was trying to be careful not to derail the original topic. It was about Hitler having outside help via IBM technology. I was adding to the fact that Hitler could not have done this with out outside help from several other areas as well. I hate the fact that Zionist conspiracy buffs call it a Jewish conspiracy. It is not a Jewish conspiracy. I love the Jews. There are those who call themselves Jews who have sold out the Jews in the past and they will do it again. I don't even bother with the "theory" aspect of these things. If you do a study on Herzl and his followers you will glean enough facts to know what really happened and what the agenda was and who suffered for it.

Back to IBM
I do apologise for those who took my post as a diversion. I would like to know more about it.

Thanks

TC
Jul 31st, 2007, 11:35 AM
Well its a hobby of mine ( Jews) and I have my opinions as well ( ask anybody here..LOL) Like I mentioned above, I would have to believe mainstream definitions ( dealing the the term Zionist) are an accepted and reliable resource. And that a small minority has their own opinion that is limited to a distinct mind set, not always negative mind you, but none the less opposed.

Rest assured I didn't "read" anything into you post, ( as being anti Jew) but you have to agree that 90% of our accepted reference is contrary. So we're either all wrong and being brainwashed, or the other way around, ( lets avoid the "something" in the middle scenarios) and seeing by your age you just missed the fun and games with John Birch and company during the 50s.

BTW Welcome to AO ... hope you stick around!

medicvet
Aug 14th, 2007, 6:03 PM
I do hope that many people take the time out to read the book now that there has been some discussion on it...I would love to see the discussion generate enough interest in that some who might not have otherwise read the book for themselves.