Icke vs the Aliens

[prezhorusin04]

alright..i think David Icke needs a forum..i think the guy is good and telling things in a symbolic method for us to discover the truth for ourselves..i've read and re-read "The Biggest Secret" and "Children of the Matrix"..i'm going to get "Tales form the timeloop" this week (along with Moores "Dude where's my Country?" and KINGS "Wolves of the Calla.")
Ok, so what do you all think of the SYMBOLIC messages of the reptilians and the ILLUMINATI DOMINATION OVER EUROPE AND AMERICA?-i'll say right now that the man is not a racsist anti-semite, as so many people try to de-base him with..In fact he's got alot of "jewish" support.
SO, yea, it's all well and good that this topic is ALL ABOUT ICKE.!

Free your mind and the rest will follow.

[Smersh]

David Icke used to be a TV presenter in the UK on sports programmes. Funny how he went the way he did. Still seems to be popular though ... :lol:

[prezhorusin04]

Sitting down with the man called "the most controversial speaker in the world," I knew there'd be tales of evil shape-shifting Reptilians controlling the world. But what I didn't expect was to come away from a 90-minute conversation, wondering if David Icke could actually be right! A prolific author, who's written over a million and a half words in the last decade on the Reptilian/Illuminati conspiracy, Icke wanted to chat about his newest tome Tales from the Time Loop. He provided a surprisingly cogent philosophical/scientific groundwork for his outrageous claims.--I'd caught up with the grey-haired 51 year old at the Santa Clara, CA, Marriott, where he'd been a featured presenter at this year's Bay Area UFO Expo. Greeted at the door by his vivacious wife Pamela, I was ushered into their nodescript hotel room. But as I sat across from David, his feverish quest for the truth, delivered in everything from a whisper to a shout, kept me riveted to my chair.
-"I became a television presenter in Britain because I liked live television, it gave me a buzz," Icke, a former professional soccer player, began. He had been the well known host of Grandstand, a BBC soccer program that aired on Saturday afternoons. And though Icke said his reclusive qualities made him eventually dislike the limelight, in 1992,he appeared on Terry Wogan's BBC-TV talk show, wearing a turquoise track suit, warning of cataclysmic earth changes and claiming to be "the Son of God." THe stunned audience erupted with derisive laughter, though Icke said his larger message was that we are all "sons and daughters-expressions-of the infinite 'one' or God."
-"They all thought I was crazy," he said."I was literally on the front pages of the national newspapers (which were declaring) 'Icke's gone mad,' that I was having a midlife crisis. In that period in the early 90's, I couldn't walk down any street in Britain without being laughed at. . If I went into a bar, the place would go into an uproar..I'd go home and turn the TV on, a comedian would only have to say David Icke and the audience would all start laughing, no joke necessary.- But indeed the audience for Icke's ideas has steadily grown over the years, with a flood of interest, he said occuring after 9-11.-"Because if you keep putting one foot in front of the other, one thing is for certain, you're gonna go somewhere...It's when you run around defending yourself, and saying 'don't laugh, don't laugh' that you spend all your energy defending yourself, that you actually go nowhere."
--The ridicule Icke faced had a transformative power. "I probably went through a campaign of ridicule the likes of which the British media has never ever experienced..It can destroy you or it can make you step out of the prison that most people live in the prison without which the Illuminati cannot manipulate us- and that's the fear of what other people think. If you can set the norms in society and get people fearing being different...then that fear is going to keep you in line with the norms in a very profound, daily way."
-Published in early 1999, Icke's book The Biggest Secret, detailed his contention that interconnecting Reptilian bloodlines have controlled and manipulated the planet for thousands of years. "I had come across in my travels around the world, so many people from all walks of life who had experience of seeing someone, often in positions of power and authority...transform into a Reptilian form right in front of their eyes and then go back again," Icke, who views himself as a journalist reporting evidence and the connecting the dots, said he had also talked to people who had taken part in Satanic rituals, "with some very famous people both in America and Britian. They had the same experience, that during these rituals these guys would transform into Reptilian form."One such witness who was willing to be named, among the many Icke said he has spoken with, is Arizona Wilder. She claims to have participated in sacrificial rituals involving the British royal family and "famous American Illuminati names like George Bush, Bill and Hillary Clinton and Henry Kissinger." Quoted in Icke's 2001 book, Children of the Matrix, Wilder describes Queen Elizabeth and Prince Charles: "I have seen him shape-shift into a reptilian and do all the things the Queen does. I have seen him sacrifice children. There is a lot of rivalry between them for who gets to eat what part of the body and who gets to absorb the victim's last breath and steal their soul."
--I asked Icke if he himself had ever witnessed such a shape-shifting. "I've seen eyes change of people...like major politicians in Britian that I met before I was into all this...In my research years later, I learned that they were part of the game...And it blew me away obviously, because I wasn't into any of this at the time. I was a presenter at the BBC and I'm meeting these people. I look into their eyes and they just turn jet black. There is no pupil, there is no iris, there is no white, the whole of their eye went black.-At the point where I made contact with their eyes, their eyes (the black part) just went on forever. What I was seeing, I now understand, was looking through their eyes into another dimesion where an entity was controlling the physical body's mental/emotional actions..The Reptilians wear the five sense physical body like a spacesuit...They are wearing/possessing/taking over the five sense human form and using it to operate in this dimension."
The Reptilians "are seeking to feed off the energy of fear which seems to be their sustenance. They have created a society which is designed to create maximum stress, maximum terror, maximum guilt, maximum fear...because all those are expressions of the same basic energy field they feed off, " he noted.

-There are key bloodline families, Icke said, whose gentic hierarchy determines how reptilian they are. "The higher you go, the more they shape-shift because the more close they are to the Reptilian genetics than the human, they're trying to hold this balance. If they go too far to the Reptilian genetics they shape-shift in front of you. A lot of the real control is not in the level of those who appear to be running society. I mean for instance, Bush is not running America. Cheney is running it far more than Bush, and the people above him in the hierarchy are running it far more than Cheney. And eventually you reach a point with people, entities, who are not seen in the public arena, who are dictating society through these front men. And at that hidden level, you're talking seriously Reptilian people."-
--Cross-cultural confirmation of the Reptilian connection came to Icke through the Zulu shaman Credo Mutwa. "He's very famous in South Africa..what they call a Sanusi, a high shaman," said Icke. Now in his eighties, Mutwa contacted Icke when he was visiting South Africa, and they talked for days, with parts of the conversation recorded for The Reptilian Agenda videos. "The reason he wanted to talk to me was he had read The Biggest Secret and he wanted to know how I know all this stuff...And he said 'I never thought a white man would realize what has happened.'...He said the world was controlled by a race of non-human beings which they call 'Chitauri,' (which translates as Children of the Serpent). And they integrate with humans to create a hybrid bloodline which became the royal bloodlines of the world...But now instead of crowns they have dark suits and briefcases."
Mutwa told him that account of the Chitauri extend baqck for eons. Further, he said he had attended initiation ceremonies during which some participants had turned into reptiles. Icke asked Mutwa: "If these entities are all around us, why don't more people see them?" They are seen, but their minds edit them out, Mutwa answered. "Because either it's too hideous and frightening for them to accept it, or its so far from their sense of what is real that their mind does not recall it as an image, " Icke elaborated..
-Icke considers this editing out process a kind of mass-scale hypnotic suggestion. But he believes more and more people are waking up to the truth. "And this is why once they wake up, they see things so obvious to them--"Why didn't I see before??!!' Because before they were in a hypnotic trance accepting a different reality. Now suddently they've broken out of it....In many ways the kinds of information I'm pointing out is dismantling the hypnotic trance by presenting another form of reality. I don't set out to do things like that; I just say what I believe to be right.
-Still, the majority of people who hear this information, chortle "REPTILES!?" Icke mimicked hilariously."That is not an expression and a statement about me, its a statement about their unbelievable limited sense of possibility," he said. Within the reptilian field, there are endless forms that they take, many of which Mutwa has detailed. And yet "in the end, " said Icke, "it's not what they look like, its what they do..It's their state of mind. In many ways our state of mind manifests as a physical expression..In this world, reptiles are emotionless and they do not have a rapport with their children like humans and other animals do." Similarly, the Reptilian controlled Illuminati are cold, instinctual and utterly predictable, which enables them to perform their ghastly actions without remorse, he explained.-

--Icke believes the time is at hand for people to wake up and understand "how the system words, how it's been set up to control us...And how we can make it impotent in terms of its power over humanity. It's going to happen very fast in the next few years, a great time to be alive....I ain't come this bloody far to walk away from that!"

[prezhorusin04]

The above is from the AFTER DARK NEWSLETTER published monthly from the radio show COAST TO COAST AM..The interview is done by C2C webmaster Lex Lonehood..(Though the article itSelf is a bit butchered since you can only post 10,000 words..-i just wanted to share view point of Icke for anyone just hearing about him..Like i've said before on these boards, i do not agree with every aspect of what he's saying, ie: Reptilian-Alien-Atlantean Gods, but he does speak alot of Truth.--
i know that he's on to reality, especially with the SUMER-BABYLONIAN BROTHERHOOD, because i discovered a lot of the same stuff he's writing about, 6 MONTHS BEFORE I'D EVEN HEARD OF ICKE.!!-Now i've got 3 of his books and would reccomend them to anyone..They're well worth the money..
David Ickes website is www.davidicke.com

-i just thought the mans work needed a little more highlighting.

THEY LIVE, WE SLEEP.

WHO WATCHES THE WATCHMEN?

"Where there is much light, the shadow runs deep."
Von Goethe

"Buisness is a combination of War and Sport."
Andre Maurois

The GIANTS are the same as the men behind the curtain..

:indiffer: :alien: :indiffer: :alien:

[ThunderStruck64]

The above is from the AFTER DARK NEWSLETTER published monthly from the radio show COAST TO COAST AM..

Its too long prez.

[prezhorusin04]

After thousands of years of evolution, the reptilian network is now a vast and often unfathomable web of interconnecting secret societies, banks, businesses, political parties, security agencies, media owners, and so on. But its basic structure and Agenda remains very simple.--
-The centre of the operationa web is the City of London with interlocking leaderships in places like France, Germany, Belgium,Switzerland, Italy and the United States. These are the spiders in the web with the City of London, 'New Troy', the most important. From this centre the Global Agenda and policies are administered and their "branch managers" introcue those policies in each country. So if it suits the Global Agenda to crash the U.S. dollar, the Mexican peso, the Sought African rand, or the Far East stock-markets, the branch managers in those areas will take the action necassary to do that. The Brotherhood don't suffer, indeed quite the opposite, because they know what is coming. The major Brotherhood banks in the United States, like the Rockefellwers Chase Manhattan, increased their profits on the Mexican peso in 1991, the year the value of the peso collapsed, because they sold their peso holdings just before the crash. In 1987, the late billionaire financier and Rothschild relative, Jimmy Goldsmith, sold all his holdings just before the world stockmarket crash. A coincidence of course.-
--At the heart of the web, or the top of the pyramid, whichever analogy you choose, are the reptilians. These operated mostly in the background from underground bases and overwhelmingly by possessing the reptilian-human bloodstreams which resonate most closely to the reptile consciousness of the lower fourth dimension. These reptile full bloods and reptile possessed people hold the major positions of power in the wourld or work in the background controlling those in the positions of apparent power like prime ministers adn presidents. Having a reptilian or reptilian controlled human as president might sound fantastic if you have allowed yourself to have your vision of possibibilty suppressed to the size of a pea, but when you see the evidence put together over thousands of years, it makes perfect sencse of the 'mysteries' of history. People ask me the understandable question of why anyone would want to dedicate their lives to taking over a planet when they know they were going to die long before it was acieved. Answer: The consciousness controlling that body is only using it as an overcoat, a space suit, until it wears out. When that happens, it possesses another one. These same reptilians have been occupying the bodies of all the main players in the conspiracy going back into ancient times.

[prezhorusin04]

The obsession with interbreeding within the Brotherhood bloodstreams comes from the need to hold the reptilian genetic inheritance and therefore maintain the vibrational connection between the human body on the third dimension and its controlling force on the lower fourth. It was to hide this truth that they arranged for the destruction of ancient historical records, texts, and accounts over the centuries as they ravaged and raped the native societies of the world. The reptilians wanted to destroy all memory and records of their earlier open existence and control in the past.This secret society network places its trusted initiates into the most influential positions in the world of banking, business, politics, the media, the military, medicine, etc, and again at their hightst levels, these apparently unconnedted organisations and institutions fuse into the same pyramid peak and are controlled by the same people. It is like Russian dolls, one doll, or in this case, pyramid, inside another until you reach the global pyramid which encompasses all of them. The public faces of these organisations, and those who control them behind the scenes, might connect into the networks by being a Freemason, A Knight of Malta, an initiate of the Skull and Bones Society, or as a member of a group of secret semi-secret organisations called the Royal Institute of International Affairs, The Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group, the Club of Rome and the Trilateral Commission. The point that i am stressing here is that while all these groups have different names and apparently different aims, they are all the same organisation controlled in the end by the same leadership..

[Smersh]

The reptilians

Could they be similar to the ones in that TV series of about 15 years ago what was it - just one letter I think - V or W or something anyway that was also about a load of what looked like people but were really reptiles from outer space when they peeled their skin off. :D

[VegasRonin]

It was called "V " Smersh. I've been reluctant to bring it up. You know Prez will run with the idea..............:rolleye: :lol:

[prezhorusin04]

Yea, it was V..Icke brings it up alot..In the movie the aliens were from SIRUS..They came to "save our world" and claimed that they needed water for their planet ..But you come to find out that really THEY are reptiles and they are preparing our world for colinization..Not only that but they store humans in massive freezers for food..(It looks kinda like the mass pod birthing grounds in the Matrix movies.)
V came out as a few mini-series on NBC in 1982-3...
It's where Robert England, who plays Freddy Kruger, Got his start..

Also good is THEY LIVE..Just bought that one the other day..

In line with this train of thought is the Twilight Zone episode
"To serve Man."
As well as the Pod People from "Invasion of the Body Snatchers."

Other good "Icke Minded" movies include:
Altered States-
The Dark Crystal-
Jacobs Ladder-
Conspiracy Theory-
The Wall-
Tomb Raider-
Heavy Metal-
12 Monkeys-
Fight Club-
Waking Life-
The Wizard of Oz-
Alice in Wonderland-
From Hell-
Chariots of the Gods-
The Matrix-


http://members.shaw.ca/illuminaticonspiracy/

[Emerald_Dragon]

Icke is way too far out there for me to even consider.

until i see for myself, someone change into and back, from a lizard-man, i cannot believe a word he says.

when i first got on this path for truth, i read parts of his "Biggest Secret" book. i think he's lost it somewhere.:nono:

[prezhorusin04]

i feel Ickes telling the truth...He's just doing it in ways that plays into the whole history of thsesymbolic stories and myths..IE: Atlantis, Vampires and aliens..i'd say 75% of what he's releasing is true...We have to use our own discernment when reading his, or any other works..-Alot of what's he's saying can be found in other sources and books besides just his..Take out the shape-shifting part and it's all really quiet believable..(THEY shape-shifted from culture to culture as a different head and power.-Wearing animal masks and skins.)

it's not as unbelievable as it seems..Part of it is purposfully shrouded in symbolic myth.

[prezhorusin04]

ICKE AUDIO #1 (http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2002/02/21580.html)
ICKE AUDIO #2 (http://www.newsforthesoul.com/icke.htm)
ICKE AUDIO #3 (http://www.cloakanddagger.ca/guests/david_icke.asp)
GOOD ICKE AUDIO RESOURCE CENTER (http://www.davidicke.com/icke/studio/radioshows.html)