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Dec 3rd, 2003, 12:46 AM
A very brief list of Freemasons from our history and others involved in secret societies. Many of them 33 degree masons.
George Washington, James Madison, Ethan Allen, Mozart, Paul Revere, Samual Adams,Napoleon, Winston Churchill, Benjamin Franklin,Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Jesse Jackson, J. Edgar Hoover, Allen Dulles, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Lyndon Jhonson, Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, Strom Thurmond, John Wayne,GEORGE BUSH and GEORGE BUSH JR. to name a very few.
In fact, about 90% of all U.S. presidents have been 33degree Freemasons as well as all of our Founding Fathers.
The Chisel represents education; the gavel or hammer, conscience;the twenty-four-inch ruler, the day. The square (morality), level (equality), and plumb (rectitude) are used together to "build spiritual walls." The pencil and compass are a reminder of the Great ARchitect who designed the universe according to a harmonic plan. (Adam was Gods master Builder, and as His first Mason, he passed his kwoledge on to other Ancient Masons of biblical times, such as Cush-Nimrod, who built the Tower of Babel.) The letter G inside a triangle is a version of the ancient tetragrammation of the Hebrew letter Yod in a triangle..(Yod meaning Hand.)
See as well how the U.N logo below is marked off in 33 sections, such as in the 33 degrees of "known" Freemasonry?.As well as in Christ dying at 33.
Bush sr's father, Prescot Bush, is a known funder of the Nazi cause during World War2, and our current PREZ was born less then a year after HITLER purportedly died.
As mentioned above, the BUSH'S are both 33 degree masons as well as Bush sr is a leader in the organization known as THE THOUSAND POINTS OF LIGHT..This is to represent the 1000 people who are the bridge of control between the lower Freemason society and the ILLUMINATI..Thus, the FREEMASILLUMINATI.
Both men were initiates in the YALE SKULL AND BONES society and Bush jr was a 9th generation member of the group..Outside of the SKULLS cryptic headquarters there is a cemetery that is marked with Egyptian Sphinx's and words above the front gate..
In EGYPTIAN it reads "The dead shall rise again."
The Skull and Bones headquarters is also rumored to be the think tank that produced the CIA among other prominent government groups.
GEORGE H. W. BUSH was the Head of the CIA..(a recent official CIA memo has come up addressed to one MR. Bush in regards to the handling of information in the Kennedy assassination.)
In the Cuban Bay of Pigs invasion, there were two ships that bore the names HOUSTON and Barbara J..This is Bush's wife, Barb, and the place that the family was living in Texas when the invasion happened.-It was also codenamed OPERATION ZAPPATA, which was the then time oil company of said Bush..
Bush is a longtime oil millionaire..He was also the President of Lilly Drugs for a time in the 70's.--
2 time vice president and one term Prez, while his son is now in office and many of his children are involved in politics..(Most notably Geb of Florida, in which all of the 2000 election confusion sprouted.)
The would be assassin of Reagan in John Hinkley Jr comes from another prominent and wealthy TEXAS oil family..Hinkley jr was seen eating lunch with GEB the day before the attempt was made.-This would have made Bush the president many years early.
Bush was elected in 1988, the chinese year of the DRAGON..Bush jr was elected in 2000, the next year of the Dragon in a 12 year cycle..The next year of the DRAGON will occur in 2012..The end date of the MAyan calander is 12-21-12.
Let's not forget all of the Iran-Contra scandal as well as the Mexican drug dealing that tarnished the REAGAN-BUSH whitehouse in the 80's.
As if it isn't enough that PRESCOT BUSH funded NAZI Germany in the war, there is so much more suspicious BUSH evidence as to be pathetic. It leaves a stench that goes back 100 years.
The GREAT WHITE BROTHERHOOD is the first known secret society of EGYPT..See the initials of the Brotherhood in George W. Bush?--Why would Bush sr spend New Years 2000 at the great Pyramids of Egypt.?
For those few of you who are wise and brave enough to have read this far, here is further excellent Masonic info from the book THE OCCULT CONSPIRACY by Michael Howard.
The design of the Great Seal as it exists today is owed to Secretary of Congress Charles Thomas and his colleague William Barton. On the obverse side is the bald headed American Eagle which in astrological symbolism represents the Zodiac sign of Scorpio; This sign is associated with death, rebirth, sexuality and regeneration. The eagle is holding in its talons a bundle of arrowns and an olive branch. This represents conflicting forces of war and peace which have characterized the American nation over the years. In occult terms it symbolizes the dualistic concept of good and evil, liht and darkness, athe male and female which the Masonic-Templar tradition inherited from the Gnostics and the MAnicheans.-On the chest of the eagle is a heraldic device in the form af a shield and above its head is a cloud containing thirtten pentagrams. In its mouth the eagle holds a scroll with the words E pluibus unum written on it. The general interpretation of this phrase is that it refers to the creation of the new American nation from the original colonies, the many becoming the one. This phrase however also has an occut meaning and is used by initiates to refer to the ancient belief that all gods are one God. Even the most polytheistic pagon religions recognized the existence of a Supreme Creator who ruled over all the other gods and goddesses in the pantheon. This concept is to be foune in the Rosicrucian teachins, and in Freemasonry the phrase is used to refer to the one God in relation to the many. (Humanity.)--The reverse side of the Great Seal also reveals a wealth of occult symbolism. It shows the truncated pyramid with its steps representing the 13 colonies. On the bottom step are the Roman numerals MDCCLXXVI or 1776, the year of the Revolution . This was also the date of the foundation of the Illuminati.-Above the pyramid is the eye of God in triangle surrounded by rays of light. This was the identifying symbol of Illuminism which appeared on the covers of radical political texts published during the French Revolution by supporters of the Masonic tradition.--In occultism the truncated pyramid represents the loss of the Ancient Wisdom which occurred when the Christian Church achieved political power and began to repress the old pagan religions which were driven underground into secret societies. In Ancient Egypt, when the pyramids were used as initiation chambers, each pyramid had a special capstone made either from a natural crystal or an allow of precious metals. THis capstone attracted "cosmic rays" and occult forces which created the right conditions for the initiate inside the pyramids inner chamber to experience spiritual illumination. Symbolically on the Great Seal the eye in the triangle represents the missing capstone which now only exists on a metaphysical level--Above the eye in the triangle symbol is the motto Annuit Coeptis which is translated as "He favours our undertakin". This is a reference to the belief that the American Revolution was a divine event fulfilling an historic destiny for the future of the world. Washington is said to have been aproached by an angel at Valley Forge who granted him a vision of the utopian role of America was to play in the centuries to come. Washington was a God-fearing man and believed that he had been chosen as the divine instrument who would bring this prophetic vision into reality. He was certainly an instrument for the Freemasons and Rosicrucians who planned the American Revolution and recognized in him the attributes needed for the first leader of the embryonic nation.-Below the pyramid, on the reverse side of the seal, is a scroll bearing the words NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM or the NEW ORDER OF THE AGES.
But don't be fooled, the Church is just as much a tentacle of the BROTHERHOOD as anything else.
13 is a "holy" number as it represent the 12 disciples around the son of god=13..As well as the 12 Zodiac signs around the SUN..
Speaking of astrology, see the EGYPTIAN CHRIST FIGURE OF HORUS in the word HOROSCOPE.?
13 levels to the pyramid on the one dollar..13 letters in annuit coeptis, 13 arrows and 13 branches to the olive branch.(13 berries within the branch.) 13 tail feathers to the Eagle, 13 strips in the flag and 13 stars above the eagles head WHICH FORMS THE STAR OF DAVID.!
The information, TRUTH, and possibility could go on another 1000 pages, but i've chattered on long enough..-i'll surely continue later.
ANYONE else have some Secret society info they'd like to share.?
Anything on the G.W.B., the ANUNNAKI, Rosicrucians, Shriners, Knights of Columbus, Mormans, The FREEMASILLUMINATI??-Their history or their memberships??Anybody else tired of all the "secrecy" and lies that these societies seem so obliged to ERECT.?
Anybody else got the intestinal fortitude to verbally go against
BUSH and the NEW WORLD ORDER that is being laid down for us.?
NOSTRADAMUS predicted the 3rd antichrist of MABUS..Add an h & i to this and slightly mix it and you get I AM BUSH..
This is the same as the analogy to AMERICA in I AM RACE.!
U.S.A.-LIE-NS are U.ndercover F.raternal O.perations!
2 B continued..
Dec 3rd, 2003, 6:00 AM
The piccy of the guy at the end looks like something out of Michael Jacksons Thriller album! Could Michael Jackson be a free mason or is he just a free willy?
Dec 3rd, 2003, 6:08 AM
Is it suppoed to be an alien?
Dec 3rd, 2003, 6:16 AM
Hangon, on closer inspection it kind of looks like Uncle Fester from the Adams family.
Dec 3rd, 2003, 6:49 AM
NOSTRADAMUS predicted the 3rd antichrist of MABUS..Add an h & i to this and slightly mix it and you get I AM BUSH..
I am also trying to solve the mabus puzzle! I thought about bush
but check this out. instead of adding an I and H I flipped the M and you get W and the A WA (lker) bus and add an (h) .
So many people could be mabus though, there are a lot of people with the last name mabus. Knowing nostradamus he probably wouldnt put it straight forward.
Dec 3rd, 2003, 2:00 PM
Um could you give a source for any of that that's not some conspiracy theory book/site? Just for example, give me a non-conspiracy site that says GWB is a Freemason.
Dec 3rd, 2003, 11:41 PM
Excellent inclusion and observation Mensa Genius.
Mike, while i can't find you any "official" newspaper headline that proclaims "Bush is a Freemason", i will keep looking for that elusive New York Times article that declares Bush as a mason..But really, do you think that it will officially be broadcast on a regular basis that The Bush's are masons?.
You've had to have heard this FACT by now, since the Bush Freemason connection is noted in almost any "conspiracy/Freemason" article that you will find..I've heard and read about him being a mason years before 9-11. I could give you 5-10 books that all include the SAME TIMELINE OF INFORMATION of the Bush connection to the Freemasons, SKULL AND BONES, as well as other societys.
This propably isn't "official" enoug for you but here's a fair site that talks about the BUSH trilateral commission, CFR, FReemason connection.http://groups.msn.com/whatisthegovernmentreallyupto/bushwantsyou.msnw
As well as there is a pic of Bush jr at a Freemason meeting with astronaut John Glenn and others at the PRISON PLANET forums under "The Freemasons BIG Secret".-Please check it out.:
These type of BUSH-MASON pics are rampant over the internet and i'll post or download some here very SOON.
But, other then that, historically we know that most Presidents have been Freemasons and there is a very clear pic of Washington dressed in Freemason Garb, available from the library of congress, on the symbols section of the David Icke site..
Seriously, for those of you who have not yet checked out the David Icke site and his symbols section, you are doing yourself a great dis-service.
Sorry if these links don't work..i'll fix them if they don't..
There's a good pic of WASHINGTON AS A MASON at
http://www.incunabula.org/blog/archive/2002_11_24_index.html --As well as AMERICAS FREEMASON FOUNDATIONS..Scroll to the bottom of the page.;)
Dec 4th, 2003, 12:36 AM
No Links but the pyramids could be generators that when started send beams out of the apex as seen in many symbolisms. To start the pyramids they must allow salt water into the lower chamber to start the fusion process. Only when the Earths waters have risen to such an extent that the sea level seeps into the Pyramids means that the ecology of the Earth is unbalanced. This sets off the generator that somehow fixes the problem or sends a signal for help to the dog star. PY- Relating to the circumference of a circle. Ra- Sun God. Mid- middle. The middle of the circumference of the sun's orbit. Noon. Flooded by the Oceans at noon shall the Py-Ra-Mids shoot their beams to the Osirus.
O-Si(sea)-rus......Oh Sea Rest.
What do you think Prez?
Dec 4th, 2003, 12:55 AM
That's some very good symbolic imagry and perception..That would be nice if that was what it meant and that we really could send a beacon or something to another star system to come save us before total destruction..
i believe in the possibility of the pyramids having some kind of "mechanical" function within its shell, but i'm not convinced that it's so high advanced that it could send an S.O.S. to SIRIUS.
i used to think that aliens might have built that pyramids, and in atlantis, and that U.F.O.'s were visiting us..The Face on Mars.
I used to be deeply Christian, but upon further research and insight, i realized that Christ was not the first of his kind or origin..
Personally, my perceptions of "the nature of reality" have changed pretty drastically in the last few years and have started to make better sense to me..
i'm still open mided to opposing opinions and theories on things..Especially when done in a equal and non-confrontational manner and when real thought is put into the topics.:p i wish that was what the pyramids were there for ANGELTV
Please check outhttp://www.incunabula.org/blog/archive/2002_11_24_index.html (http://www.incunabula.org/blog.archive/2002_11_24_index.html) -it's a pretty cool/entertaining site with Mason info..
Please keep the great topics, questions and discussions going guys!!:lol: :rollin: :happy:
Dec 4th, 2003, 12:20 PM
Prez, that's hardly convincing proof. There are enough anti-Bush sites out there with nothing to do with conspiracies, but I searched and couldn't find any of them that said he was a Mason.
Dec 4th, 2003, 6:50 PM
Mike and Guys..
There is a prominent pic of GWB jr as a mason oin the center of the page at:www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1463.cfm(Armagaddon isn't letting me hook up links now for some reason..)
Another great site of AMERICAS FREEMASON origins as well as pics are at www.diakrisis.org/freedom.htm
i don't know why the hyperlink isn't working, or the insert pic, or the quote marker, but here are the sites..Please check them out..i will try the links again later..i f you still need more proof, i'll find it and post it momentarily.
Cool new smilies!:thumbs:
Dec 4th, 2003, 7:35 PM
Perhaps this is a little more official??
Dec 4th, 2003, 8:19 PM
Thanks for the reply. You never know about the pyramids prez. No one can say I am wrong until they flood the lower chamber with salt water and prove I am.
About the masons, They are not all bad Prez. Like anyhting it take a few to ruin it for everyone. We owe a lot to the Mason. More than you seem to know. Stay vigilant. Keep them honest.
Dec 5th, 2003, 1:35 AM
You're right AngelTv..Until that chamber is flooded, we won't know if it "turns on" somekind of highly advaced alien-seeming technology.-I'm sure there are a lot of things that we, and those who are involved in Egyptian archeology, still do not know about the Pyramids and hidden chambers.--As far as Freemasons or Secret societies all being bad, i don't believe that..But, there are over 1million Masons in America alone.!.Even if only those at the very top are corrupted,that's still thousands and thousands of people..What if as many as a quarter of the Masons were involved in "sorcery" or "witch-craft"? 500,000Masons who were involved in the more Arcane aspects of the "CRAFT".-
They're not all bad..My girlfriends grandfather was a 32degree mason, and i have a couple relatives who are involved..i just think we really need to question just what goes on behind those closed doors..THese people are running the "free world", which is kinda redundant itself.
Did anyone see the 1999 National Geographic special on FOX that
uncovered the hidden TOMB OF OSIRIS between the SPHINX's paws.??-It was this long chamber that went downward about 5 ladders into this underground VAULT that was enscribed as the TOMB OF OSIRIS..It was an empty sarcophagus that was suspended above a chamber of water. .There were two blocked tunnels that ran in both directions..One was enscribed as Life and the other as Death..
The special was hosted by Maury Povich and Egyptian director of Intiquities Zahee Hawass..-It kept bringing up the fact that PROPHET EDGAR CAYCE had 50 years before predicted that the "Hall Of Records" would be found beneath the left paw of the Sphinx in 1999.--Tehe program also brought up the "Face on Mars" as well as the "pyramids" on the Cydonia region.
i have some updates and more info, but i was wondering, DID ANYBODY ELSE SEE THIS FOX SPECIAL?-TO my knowledge it was only aired one time and no-one ever seems to talk about it at all.i checked and National Geographic has not offered it for sale or DVD..To me, that's a huge deal if they found "the Hall of Records" and the empty tomb of Osiris.!-Just wondering?:ohmy:
Since i'm on a Bush page, i'll finish with this..
SKULL & BONES:
Founded at Yale University in 1833. (and modeled on the Illuminat), this Masonic-style secret society is an offshoot of Chapter 322, a two-hundred year old German secret society. Known among its members as the Order (The Thule Society.) And long known as the "brotherhood of death."It is a senior year group to which only fifteen new members are selected to join each year, and it is extremely hush-hush and bizarrely ritualistic.
Its alumni gather annually on Deer Island in the St. Lawrence River, and its members include George Bush and his son George W.,THe Rockfellers, Richard Gelb, John Ketry, William F. Buckley, Willaim Taft, Averell Harriman, McGeorge Bundy, Henry Luce, and David Boren.
GREAT JOB ON THE SITE GUYS!!!!
Dec 6th, 2003, 4:51 AM
Hey. You still haven't given any decent source for these things your accusing Bush of. On that site's homepage it advertises a talk by the author titled "The Shape of Things to Come: Global Conspiracy and the New World Order". Do any non-conspiracy sites say Bush is a Mason?
Dec 6th, 2003, 5:13 AM
Here is the page of an actual mason lodge that is(proudly) declairing Bush and Washington FREEMASONS..
it goes on to state that Washington and Bush Were both inagurated under the same Masonic Bible and the proceedures for which the Masonic Bible were Transported to and from the event..--If that's not enough i'll dig up more..i'm sure there is more out there that is VALID and will show the connections of Bush and freemasonry.-New World Order and Thousand Points of Light are Masonic/Illumati slogans, and GBUSH was spouting it off like crazy in the late 80's during his campaign and presidency..-Not only this but they are SKULL AND BONES MEMBERS too..:death: As well as atleast 5 other societies.
i'm not making these things up..i wouldn't waste my time..Check out the site and see what you think..i'm just saying that something very questionable and suspicious is definatly going on..
Great job on the scheme and smilies!!!!
:yeah: :hPC: :grab: :hmmr: :frnch: :Bounce:
Dec 6th, 2003, 11:40 AM
About two weeks ago I saw a show on the History Channel on this subject, some interesting points brought out on that show were (if my memory serves me correctly): It seems the Lodge does not allow the Bible to be transported by plane, only by land, accompanied by 3 members of the lodge, usually in full-Masonic regalia. It also reported that candidates from that lodge take their Master Mason oath on this very historic Bible.
Surely the Freemasons wouldn't have to watch TV to find out about their own secret society? And why would this all-powerful organisation not even be able to afford proper hosting for their website?
I'm not saynig your making this up, but it doesn't appear there are any reliable sources suggesting Bush is a freemason, just homemade conspiracy sites. They're the ones who are making it up.
Dec 6th, 2003, 12:20 PM
i understand where your comin from Mike..I really do..Its a hard story to accept and swallow..--But ive been digesting it for a long time now..i remember Freemason-Bush talk from the last Presidency and i was only like 12 years old then..i remember Bush using the phrases "New World Order" and "Thousand Points of Light" even back then, and they've stuck with me ever since.--Some sights say Bush jr is a Mason and some say he's not..But most will admit that his father is one..Even if you could PROVE they were masons, you'd still have to prove that they were evil masons.-i'm just saying from the research i've done that i believe Bush to be a mason and far worse..i believe that their is an "evil" world domination/population control agenda in play and i wan't to do whatever little things i can to help and stop it from happening..-Part of that is in trying to SHOW people that there is something more there to the picture then maybe we have realized.-in my heart and soul i know i am doing Truth.
Dec 6th, 2003, 2:53 PM
I think George W. Bush very likely is a freemason, but does it really matter if he is? Judging by the list of alleged masons you posted above Prez, it seems that it is quite normal for countries to be ruled by them (ie masons.) Apart from presidents, prime ministers and the like, I have heard a lot of evidence that most of Britains police force and judiciary are masons as well as several members of the Royal family.
Surely the issue really is, what are the freemasons reallyup to?
Dec 6th, 2003, 3:19 PM
Has anyone read "Holy Grail, Holy Blood.....
It addresses the Knights Templar forebearers of the modern day Masonic lodges, And the bloodline of Jesus to the modern day,
It predicts the coming of the Messiah who will be King Of Kings and in our modern tongue, King of Kings could be a top polititcian,
Worth a read if you can find the book......
Nostradamus also predicted that the current Pope will be the last, and that Prince Charles will be assinated.........
He even said the city of spires will burn in one quantrain......9-11.
Dec 6th, 2003, 6:57 PM
Nostradamus also predicted that the current Pope will be the last, and that Prince Charles will be assinated.........
I think its possible that he may, especially if the gay allegations are true. To save Royal Face.:smokin:
Dec 7th, 2003, 1:30 AM
You'r right Smersh..The question isn't just about Bush, it's about the secrecy of the Freemason organization in general..Especially those members who are politicians and prominent American figures.-Those Masons at the top of the "ladder". All of this going back to their connections with The Knights Templars, the Rosicrucians, Judasism, The tower of Babel and the Pyramids..(among other places and idealologies thru history)..
Your right FkOe, the Templars play a huge roll in this..As Big as the Illuminati and the Masons themselves..
As for the Pope, i'm pretty sure that Nostradamus predicted 2 more after our current..As well as this goes by the "prophecies" of St Malachy..
Millennium Prophecies: by Stphen Skinner-1997
" The passage of time has proved doubters of St Malacy wrong, for his prophecies have turned out to be amazingly accurate. He even prophesied the precise date of his own death, and got it right. The prophecies concern the papacy, starting with Pope Celestine ii in 1143. In all, 112 Popes and their characteristics are listed from 1143 to "the end of the world.""
St Malachy went on to predict the next 112 Popes, describing either their name or the symbol for the Coat of Arms they would use..The book goes on to say:
"According to Malachy, there are only two more popes to come before the end of the world. Significantly, the last pope will have the same name as the first shepherd of the Roman Catholic Chrurch, the apostle Peter.(Also the Vatican is supposedly built on the burial site of Peter, the rock.) Malachy refers to this second Peter as "Petrus Romanus"("Peter of Rome"), and he has more to say about him that any of the other pontiffs.
This Peter "will feed his flock among many tribulations; after which the seven hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people."
It is clear that this Pope Peter will preside over the end of the Roman Catholic Church, which will suffer persecution, perhaps at the hands of the Antichrist. The word "tibulation" is commonly used to describe the immediate millennium perid. The seven -hilled city is most likely Rome itself. The "dreadfull Judge" may well be a reference to Christ, who will come to sit at the right hand of God the Father to judge the living and the dead."
Nostradamus too invisioned two more popes from this pope..Our current Pope John Paul the 2 is known as the Black Pope..This is because he was born on a solar eclipse.(he is the only know Pope to be born on a solar eclipse.) The next Pope is to only last a very short time..(Such as John Paul the 1st who mysteriously died in the late 70's after only 2 days in office, and while threatining to expose the Masonic membership of the church as well as a secret drugmoney laundering deal within the Church and the mafia.-Nostradamus seemed to have predicted ths fate for John Paul the 1st as well.)
Nostradamus thought that the last Pope would be the Anti-Pope, bringing in the end of the world.-NOSTRA, like Malachy, also predicted the date of his own death..It was 1566 at the age of 63 years old.
Wheather these "prophecies" play out exactly according to plan, one thing seems certain..That we are living in the "end of the age" as is predicted by these past prophets and ALL HOLY TEXTS.--It's all a too bit suspicious for my tasts..i think a amin secret lies in the fact that Nostradamus was a jewish-french-Catholic-Rosicrucian and predicted himself to die in 1566 at 63 years old.
http://www.cuttingedge.org/goathead.gif :Bdevil: :evbat:
Dec 7th, 2003, 9:43 PM
Prez, you got to hope that the minority you talk about are being investigated by Masonic internal affairs. If they are doing something that is against the grain then the organization is greater than the few and their selfish deeds. They will be stopped. No one is above the agenda. I don't care how high the Bushes are, or the Queen and family, or anyone else on this earth that is high up in the Pyramid. If you think you can oppress people and mislead them into submission then you will be found out and removed. I just don't believe that to be the case. The world we live in isn't perfect but it is a starting point to greater things. As I have said before. If we weren't happy with their ant farm utopia then we would revolt. Prez, most people are happy with the system. What if you remove this system, that is obvious when you know the signs and see the clues? What if instability replaces it? Be careful what you wish for. I am not saying don't stop your research, just give it a more balanced intent.
Dec 7th, 2003, 11:11 PM
NOSTRADAMUS predicted the 3rd antichrist of MABUS..Add an h & i to this and slightly mix it and you get I AM BUSH..
Hey Prez, MABUS backwards is SUBAM. Almost sounds like SADAM huh?:crazy: Hey, I bet SADAM is a Mason that fell out of favor.
Dec 8th, 2003, 12:38 AM
Prez, you sorta make me feel like going back over my Beatles' albums and playing them in reverse on a phonograph. . . . . :sick:
. . . . . . . . . . . . (sigh)
Dec 8th, 2003, 12:41 AM
Bigsky, I think they say "Saddam's sons are dead":lol:
Dec 8th, 2003, 12:47 AM
That IS "prophetic"!. . . . . . . I . . . . . . . . needanotherdrink. . . (hic):wine: (hic) Joe (Bigsky770)
Dec 8th, 2003, 5:12 AM
I predict that when I hit the "Submit Reply" button, this message will appear on the board...
Dec 8th, 2003, 5:15 AM
Yea Ronin..Subam is a chance too..it seems like Sadam did have a falling out with the American government and Bush family in his "role" as "anti-christ".-Osama too is a "player" in this game.-This "end time" scenerio that is rapidly unfolding..
No ANGELTV--i don't want chaos or a fall of the American people..i want a change of thought and mentality for all humankind.THere is so much change needed within ourselves and the world & Whatever Stand we choose to make will be no worse then the fate THEY have in store for us..The New World should be of the "common" persons decision, not the wealthiest people at the top..i'm talking about spiritual revolt, not physical.-A spiritual revolt against the ELITE HUMAN BEAST..The Corporate takeover and Population Control Agenda.
SKY, IS PLAYING YOUR BEATLES records again (backwards even) such a bad thing??-There is a great book on backwards song masking, as well as mysterious rockstar deaths, in the BOOK:HELLHOUNDS ON THEIR TRAIL -by F. Gary Patterson.
Again i wish no harm and my intents are good, though i know all of this is a tricky situation..Goodness will prevail if goodness we hold in our hearts.
Dec 11th, 2003, 9:41 AM
Here is some credible evidence showing that the family of Indian War cheif Geronimo, is suing Yale and the Skull & Bones society, claiming that Prescott BUsh and other members of the Skull and Bones dug up and STOLE Geronimos skull!(NOTE:the SULL & BONES society has a trophy room of human skulls!-Can anyone say Predator!!?)-For more on the %$#@ed up depravity please visit...
There are also stories covering this at Indiancountry.com and YaleHerald.com, but i can't get the pages to link for some reason.i'll try to get them up soon...
:sardonic: -Check it out..!
Truth is stranger then fiction!!
Dec 12th, 2003, 4:49 AM
Prez, can you please explain something to me! What's with this "secret society"? Are you implying that George W Bush and his dad, and the heap of other wealthy people you have mentioned in other topics are aliens in disguise! Come on prez. Were you the one who mentioned a reptillian race of creatures taking over the planet? I also want to know (as I have said before but you keep ignoring it) who is the guy in the piccy? The alien looking one! Your posts are so long, I just want a short and straight forward answer.
Dec 12th, 2003, 7:15 AM
The answer is NO i don't think that they are Reptilians or aliens..That's why i end so many of my posts with U.S.A.-LIE-NS are U.ndercover F.raternal O.perations!--What i'm saying is that most of the world leaders in history have said that they were of alien heritage..In SUMERIA is was THE ANUNNAKI who said they were from PLANET NIBIRU, in EGYPT the Pharaohs and priests said they were from SIRIUS.-The Mexican Indian chief god of Quetzelcoatl was to have come from VENUS, as well as many pictures of Christ from the last 1000 years have depicted ufo's flying around the crucifiction.
But no, i don't believe that THEY are aliens from another planet..-Sorry if you think the posts are too long, but i'm giving a lot of info here in a short space..If you couldn't finish reading a post, how could you ever finish a book on the subjects??(no offence.)
As for the pic, i just thought it looked neat, and represented the A-LIE-N hybrid....So anyway, please check out the GERONIMO's SKULL information..http://wwww.bilderberg.org/skulbone.htm
Here's another nice site that deals with SECRET SOCIETIES and THE ANTICHRIST.-http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion2/antichrist666/1
THe books i read arn't labeled "conspiracy"..They're labeled political/social sciences/history..
You want an easy answer in a nutshell THUNDER??
PORTRAIT OF THE ILLUMINATION AT THE CAVES
Dec 12th, 2003, 5:19 PM
WE ARE SYMBOLICALLY DEALING WITH A RACE OF REPTIALIAN-ALIEN-BLOOD DRINKING-INTERDIMENSIONAL-SHAPESHIFTERS FROM ATLANTIS!
Yes Prez and from there you went on to talk about these only having "royal" bloodlines.
THE GIANTS & THE OLYMPIANS, THE CEASERS, FREEMASON & ILLUMINATI, ROSICRUCIANS, ALIENS, ANGELS, DEMONS, THE KINGS OF ENGLAND AND THE PRESIDENTS OF THE UNITED STATES..
Yet these "gods" are only men & families of "royal" bloodlines"
Huh? I dont think George W Bush or any other leader, past or present is apart of a royal bloodline, and if they are they dont come from anything royal or extraudinary. :evbat:
Dec 12th, 2003, 6:24 PM
Prez, what I am trying to say is that the Free Mason society is just another club. They do "secret" handshakes and must follow the rules. 95% (you have stated) of American Presidents have been Free Masons. So alot of men joined. This doesnt mean anything. It doesn't mean that they have royal bloodlines associated with other beings or something. My grandfather did the "secret" handshake. It was something to join if you wanted to be a member. Its abit like a religious group, or even a bikie group. I don't think George W Bush has a royal bloodline. If he is a Free Mason, he has joined a list of famous and non famous people. No conspiracy here.
Dec 12th, 2003, 9:28 PM
Ah but THUNDER, i also said that it was the 5%ELITE of these groups who were who were claiming "alien" heritage and "royal" bloodline..
From Children of the Matrix by David Icke
The bloodlines of the 43 American presidents from George Washington to George W. Bush go back to European royal and aristocratic families who have famously interbred and still do to keep the gene pool "pure". Their geneology, and that of today's key politicians, banking tycoons, buisness leaders, and media owners, continues back even further into the distant past through those European royal and "noble" (Aryan) families to the ancient kings of Sumer and its empire, not least Egypt. Throughout history the right to rule has been decided by bloodline. For thousands of years it was done openly and today it is achieved through covert manipulation and the secret society web called the Illuminati.
I(t's recorded fact that Washington was of a "noble" bloodline, as well as other key presidents..Startling to find out that many , if not every president has shared bloodline by cousinhood or marriage.--And all U.S. presidents have been related to key figures in either European or Hebrew Elites..--While Bush is surely one to question, the real seats of power and control come from people like the Rockefellers and Rothschilds..The men and families who own the majority of Americas wealth through subsidary and parent company branches all across the world..Big buisness is bigger buisness then we think..Its the buisness of controlling the flow of history..
Again, its not the Freemason societies themselves, its the men who created them in the first place, many thousands of years ago.-All of this being traced to The Knights Templar, the Rosicrucians,the shriners and others, and as far back as the foundations of the old Testement and into Egypt..Solomons temole and the building of the Pyramids is where all of these societies claim there ORIGINS from.-The BROTHERHOOD and FREMASONRY are a religion..The Religion behind the religions..Re's-Legions.
From Egypt it can be traced back to SUMERIA and before that into TRANSYLVANIA at 6-8000B.C.-Before TRANSYLVANIA we can follow back to 12 ROYAL BLOODLINE FAMILIES who came out of the CAVES-
12 Families based on the 12 signs of the Zodiac..Astrology would come into play firstly as a practice in TRANSYLVANIA-This is where the symbol of the CROSS first originates as the wheel of the zodiac is seperated into 4 groups of 3, using a cross divider...The 12 ZODIAC men would then become known as the 12 ANUNNAKI JUDGES in Sumeria at about 4-6000B.C.-Their "alien" planet of Nibiru was known as the Planet of the crossing, hence again we see the CROSS symbol..The cross was also an item of the goddess INANA in Sumeria.-In Egypt the cross would beome the Ankh, a symbol of the ANUNNAKI.-There are many more stops for the Crosses use in culture, CHRISTIANITY is just the latest.
See how the Pisces fish of Jesus looks the same as the Egyptian Eye of Ra?-The same "all seeing" eye of the Illuminati that is one the back of every U.S. dollar bill..With the slogan "Novus Ordo Seclrum"- meaning New Worldly Order.
See the Hebrew star of David.?-It is also "hidden" in the 13 stars above the Eagles head on the one dollar..See how the Star of David is really two pyramids? Two that make 6 little ones?-Is this the same David as in Camp David?-David is the Bloodline of Jesus in the Bible..So is Solomon, and Solomon as well is a starting point for FREEMASONRY..
Sorry if this post is long, but it's just scratching the surface..
You say that there's no "conspiracy" here..i say that THIS is the HEART of ALL conspiracy.
"History repeats itself, and that's one of the things that's wrong with history."
"Todays mighty oak is just yesterdays nut that held its ground."
Dec 14th, 2003, 8:30 AM
sO IT LOOKS AS IF THEY'VE CAUGHT SADDAM..
Done under the mission of Operation Red Dawn..And only 11 days before Christmas eve..The Saddam capture date, late last night, would have been 12/13/03-and 11 days before Christmas eve...
i'm shedding no tears that he's been caught, i just wonder how many Saddams there were in the first place..And seeming that he is a rogue U.S. ploy in the first place, i wonder what he might have been offered to come out of hiding.?
In my mind, Operation Red Dawn would be to mean the morning sun..Known to the Egyptians as Horus-Risen, or the Horizon..-It just all seems suspicious to me this close to christmas and with the elections gearing up..You could have almost said for certain that Saddam WOULD HAVE BEEN CAUGHT BEFORE THE 2004 ELECTIONS>>It just seems typical and predictable.Just in time, as the pure falling snow sweeps thru the nation.
i also wonder why so many of the U.S. led missions went by the names of reptiles and serpents..Such as Operation Dragon Fury, Operation Sidewinder, Operation Python Strike, Operation Mountain Viper and other names..When Saddam has called us the Great Snake..Why so many bearers of the Skull and Bones Flag.?
There's definatly more to this whole story behind the scenes..It will be interesting to see what plays out next..
Now they're saying he was wearing a fake beard..
Dec 14th, 2003, 1:47 PM
So every presidential campaign has been rigged to make sure one of these royal bloodline members are guranteed to win?
European royal and aristocratic families who have famously interbred and still do to keep the gene pool "pure".
Well that starts to explain a lot....
i wonder what he might have been offered to come out of hiding.?
I read an article that says that members of a family close to him revealed his location to US authorities. Then it goes on to say "U.S. military officials told NBC News that it was unlikely that the informer would be eligible for the $25 million bounty on Saddam's head because they were U.S. captives likely to face charges themselves." So much for selling out for money eh?
also wonder why so many of the U.S. led missions went by the names of reptiles and serpents..
I guess choosing the WildCats would be so passe, no?:D
Dec 14th, 2003, 2:01 PM
"THE WILCATS ROCK!!!" <<<U. of K. Basketball
Dec 16th, 2003, 10:34 PM
Something unexplained has happened and the last two days of posts have been completely erased from the board..-Some think its the work of a Christian Fundamentalist site that's grown pissed at us..:ohmy:
Anyway, if you ever wanna check out the pics of the Scottish Rite Cathedrals main Masonic Headquarters in D.C., please let me know..
In the meantime, here's some good sites with good information..
Dec 17th, 2003, 12:55 AM
Prez. gotta hand it too you. You definitely know a lot. Yes there are groups that control things but I look at it this way. I would rather have them on my side fighting the other known groups that would like to change our way of thought and deny us certain freedoms. Couldn't we use them to defend us because they need us to stay in power. Let's try to overturn them after we get rid of all the despots and dictators that are lining up.
Cool avatars. Link please.
Dec 17th, 2003, 1:30 AM
Perfection would be to hope for Redemption for us all, THEM included..It seems difficult to get THEM "on our side" because it within their mottos to see us as animals, sheep and cattle..-
Its time for an Animal Farm Revolt where the New Order isn't worse then the old order..It's time for a new ending to 1984 where Winston DOESN'T LOVE BIG BROTHER..Learning from our mistakes of the past.--
As for the gifs, no prob..i found a TON of them at
They even got some dirty ones i wouldn't dare put here.:eek:
Asleep in the American Dream..
Reality is a Pyramid Scheme!!
Dec 17th, 2003, 2:07 AM
Orwell's views are fundamentally correct prez but until you can guarantee me a better farm then I stay here. All ideologies have their downfalls and so far none universally suit all humanity because we all ahve different opinions on life. Human corruption and greed are the evils you need to defeat. Not power groups that may/may not be doin what is best for us. I understand your stance and admit to being down your path but I realized one day that if anarchy is at the end of revolt then I would rather have the lesser of two evils. I believe freedom is our only chance to become better. Worst still we bring down the "farmer and pigs" and end up with total destruction. Prez, I don't think you give ppl enough credit and I don't think you realise how much the tide is turning and how accountability is now demanded by the cattle and it's voice. Yes there are battles and yes I see certain rights being threatened but the fact we can write what we do here in this forum gives me hope.
thanks for the link:toast:
Dec 17th, 2003, 3:18 AM
i just believe that as free as it seems we are, that we are only about 25% as free as we could and should be..-i'm happy that you feel the Tide is Turning too Angel..;)
"To return to the source is to discover the eternal law of seed."
"Indian, Indian, what did you die for?"
As a human, i know i am not a fixed conclusion..But an ever changing response to life..
Jan 3rd, 2004, 12:55 PM
There is another Bush who plays prominently in the whole NWO scheme, though there is no claimed blood relation..He was a man by the name of DR. Vannevar Bush(1890-1974) and during the40's and 50's he was the head of the government department known as the Majestic 12, or MJ-12...MJ-12 consisted of 12-19 of the top scientists and generals, and their mission was to collect all information regarding U.F.O. crashes and aliens, as well as get to the wreckage sites first and control the government spin on the "official" stories that were to appear in papers and the news.
Thus, U.F.O. sightings became weather ballons, reflections of street lights off of clouds, and sightings of the planet Venus..Among the most famous of their U.F.O. cover-up excuses was swamp gas.
He was one of the heads of the much fabled Manhattan Project, which led to the first Atomic bomb, and the MJ-12 were also known to be involved with the Human Genome Project in attepts to uncover secrets of genetic engineering and to develope more efficient bio-chemical weapons.
Vannevar is also known as the godfather of the information age and internet ,(not Al Gore) for it was Van Bush who helped to set up the Advanced Research Project Agency net(A.R.P.A.net) in the 40's-50's that would pave the way to the modern internet.-A.R.P.A.net was a system set up by the Pentagon to centralize all information and built to sustain a Nuclear attack.
Bush, it also seems, was involved in the MK-Ultra (Mind Kontrol, for the German spelling) experiments in the Korean War and Vietnam..These chemical and psychotropic experiments were carried out on enemy and American soldiers alike..Along with this is possible involvement of Vannever Bush in bio-logical warfare weapons and a stockholder in major chemical plants like Merck and Dow chemical..
Vannevar was also one of the main founders of the National Defense Research Council and the Office of Scientific Research and Developement.(Notice how all these "important" gov. agencies are all CAP letters..Man do THEY think highly of themselves.-It's kinda like God and Lord and He in the Bible..)
The above^^ info comes from the books Alien Agenda by Jim Marrs and Conspiranoia by Devon Jackson, as well as some other few books on UFO's from the 50's and 60's that i do not recall the names of at the moment.
--It just goes to show you, even if it's not an "official pronounced" relation, that the Bush doesn't fall far from the tree.
Jan 9th, 2004, 4:50 PM
PROBLEMS I AM HAVING..-Half of the pics i've posted on ArmageddonOnline are now gone..--The same pics are still up on other sites, so i know it's not the source connection..-The image and quote buttons only work about 25% of the time..This has been going on for a month now and is bothering me..Sometimes i have to try 12 times or more to insert a pick, and even then it might not work..
PROBLEM #2:-When i type, it takes a loooooong time for the words to show up.-THIS LINE TOOK 1 EXTRA MINUTE TO SHOW UP FOR ME.!!(i timed it!!)--This lag gets so great sometime that Armageddon shuts off all-together..Or the words become all jumbled when it fianally shows up..--Sometimes i'm WAITING 5-10 extra minutes to post a respose..What's up with this??-Is it my computer or what.?-Anybody else having this /these problems.?-
This too has been going on for a month or more..
Again, i really like ArmageddonOnline and would like to solve these problems ASAP..As well as get my pics put back in that are missing!!-Any ideas on what's causing this or suggestions on how to fix it??-Is this some kind of sabatoge??-NEED HELP!-
In the mean time, here is a very good anti-Bush/anti-tyranny site..
Thanks in advance for any tips..
Jan 9th, 2004, 6:46 PM
I think it's just you Prez, the images load fine for me, and i get no lag. And if your lag is while your typing your response, that is 100% your comp not the board itself.
Jan 9th, 2004, 7:40 PM
i'm not trying to blame the board, just that i post on many boards and Armageddon is the only one where i experience this lag, as well as unworking image buttons..No offense meant, i just wish to solve this problem..In the meantime i'm going to slow my posts here down quiet a notch..There is a bunch of other stuff i need to be finishing..Again no offense..
This message took 4 extra minutes for me to post..Can you see the annoyance here?
Any help MODS??
Keep up the fight.
Jan 9th, 2004, 9:55 PM
To slow down the sprinter who runs for the line
Place hurdles in his path and hurdles in his mind.
Prez, Continue the good fight. Find a way around the hurdles.
"There can only be triumph for evil when good men do nothing" Edmund Burke
Jan 9th, 2004, 11:04 PM
I think the govt. is on to you Prez cause I've never experienced any lag time or slow loading of anything. Your info is probably filtered through FBI's Carnivore computer. :lol:
Jan 11th, 2004, 7:57 PM
>Your info is probably filtered through FBI's Carnivore computer.
is that what's happening....hmmm....
more paranoid than ever now...
my computer is showing some unusual PC processes that won't die...have adaware, norton, and a firewall...
Jan 11th, 2004, 9:09 PM
Anti Terrorism Technology:
Carnivore is a computer system developed by the FBI that can be connected to an ISP network and remotely accessed by a dial-up link. It can be configured to intercept and record digital communications. The senate recently approved the use of the Carnivore system to investigate terrorism through the Patriot Act.
Jan 22nd, 2004, 3:29 AM
THAT Armageddon is being monitered in some way..Bush just declared a list of 5million potential terrorists world-wide..Hopefully none present are on that list, eh?
Mar 8th, 2004, 9:14 PM
Mar 9th, 2004, 4:29 PM
hmm....where did my reactions/reponses go?
Mar 17th, 2004, 12:38 PM
BUSH-NAZI LINK CONFIRMED
Documents in National Archives Prove George W. Bush's Grandfather Traded with Nazis - Even After Pearl Harbor
by John Buchanan (Exclusive to the New Hampshire Gazette)
WASHINGTON - After 60 years of inattention and even denial by the U.S. media, newly-uncovered government documents in The National Archives and Library of Congress reveal that Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, served as a business partner of and U.S. banking operative for the financial architect of the Nazi war machine from 1926 until 1942, when Congress took aggressive action against Bush and his "enemy national" partners.
The documents also show that Bush and his colleagues, according to reports from the U.S. Department of the Treasury, tried to conceal their financial alliance with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, a steel and coal baron who, beginning in the mid-1920s, personally funded Adolf Hitler's rise to power by the subversion of democratic principle and German law.
Furthermore, the declassified records demonstrate that Bush and his associates, who included E. Roland Harriman, younger brother of American icon W. Averell Harriman, and George Herbert Walker, President Bush's maternal great-grandfather, continued their dealings with the German industrial tycoon for nearly a year after the U.S. entered the war.
For six decades these historical facts have gone unreported by the mainstream U.S. media. The essential facts have appeared on the Internet and in relatively obscure books, but were dismissed by the media and Bush family as undocumented diatribes. This story has also escaped the attention of "official" Bush biographers, Presidential historians and publishers of U.S. history books covering World War II and its aftermath.
The White House did not respond to phone calls seeking comment.
The Summer of '42
The unraveling of the web of Bush-Harriman-Thyssen U.S. enterprises, all of which operated out of the same suite of offices at 39 Broadway in New York under the supervision of Prescott Bush, began with a story that ran simultaneously in the New York Herald-Tribune and Washington Post on July 31, 1941. By then, the U.S. had been at war with Germany for nearly eight months.
"Hitler's Angel Has $3 Million in U.S. Bank," declared the front-page Herald-Tribune headline. The lead paragraph characterized Fritz Thyssen as "Adolf Hitler's original patron a decade ago." In fact, the steel and coal magnate had aggressively supported and funded Hitler since October 1923, according to Thyssen's autobiography, I Paid Hitler. In that book, Thyssen also acknowledges his direct personal relationships with Adolf Hitler, Joseph Goebbels and Rudolf Hess.
The Herald-Tribune also cited unnamed sources who suggested Thyssen's U.S. "nest egg" in fact belonged to "Nazi bigwigs" including Goebbels, Hermann Goering, Heinrich Himmler, or even Hitler himself.
Business is Business
The "bank," founded in 1924 by W. Averell Harriman on behalf of Thyssen and his Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart N.V. of Holland, was Union Banking Corporation (UBC) of New York City. According to government documents, it was in reality a clearing house for a number of Thyssen-controlled enterprises and assets, including as many as a dozen individual businesses. UBC also bought and shipped overseas gold, steel, coal, and U.S. Treasury bonds. The company's activities were administered for Thyssen by a Netherlands-born, naturalized U.S. citizen named Cornelis Lievense, who served as president of UBC. Roland Harriman was chairman and Prescott Bush a managing director.
The Herald-Tribune article did not identify Bush or Harriman as executives of UBC, or Brown Brothers Harriman, in which they were partners, as UBC's private banker. A confidential FBI memo from that period suggested, without naming the Bush and Harriman families, that politically prominent individuals were about to come under official U.S. government scrutiny as Hitler's plunder of Europe continued unabated.
After the "Hitler's Angel" article was published Bush and Harriman made no attempts to divest themselves of the controversial Thyssen financial alliance, nor did they challenge the newspaper report that UBC was, in fact, a de facto Nazi front organization in the U.S.
Instead, the government documents show, Bush and his partners increased their subterfuge to try to conceal the true nature and ownership of their various businesses, particularly after the U.S. entered the war. The documents also disclose that Cornelis Lievense, Thyssen's personal appointee to oversee U.S. matters for his Rotterdam-based Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart N.V., via UBC for nearly two decades, repeatedly denied to U.S. government investigators any knowledge of the ownership of the Netherlands bank or the role of Thyssen in it. Brown Brothers Harriman sent letters to the government seeking reconsideration of the seizures by using false information.
UBC's original group of business associates included George Herbert Walker, President Bush's maternal great-grandfather, who had a relationship with the Harriman family that began in 1919. In 1922, Walker and W. Averell Harriman traveled to Berlin to set up the German branch of their banking and investment operations, which were largely based on critical war resources such as steel and coal.
The Walker-Harriman-created German industrial alliance also included partnership with another German titan who supported Hitler's rise, Friedrich Flick, who partnered with Thyssen in the German Steel Trust that forged the Nazi war machine. For his role in using slave labor and his own steel, coal and arms resources to build Hitler's war effort, Flick was convicted at the Nuremberg trials and sentenced to prison.
The Family Business
In 1926, after Prescott Bush had married Walker's daughter, Dorothy, Walker brought Bush in as a vice president of the private banking and investment firm of W.A. Harriman & Co., also located in New York. Bush became a partner in the firm that later became Brown Brothers Harriman and the largest private investment bank in the world. Eventually, Bush became a director of and stockholder in UBC.
However, the government documents note that Bush, Harriman, Lievense and the other UBC stockholders were in fact "nominees," or phantom shareholders, for Thyssen and his Holland bank, meaning that they acted at the direct behest of their German client.
On October 20, 1942, under authority of the Trading with the Enemy Act, the U.S. Congress seized UBC and liquidated its assets after the war. The seizure is confirmed by Vesting Order No. 248 in the U.S. Office of the Alien Property Custodian and signed by U.S. Alien Property Custodian Leo T. Crowley.
In August, under the same authority, Congress had seized the first of the Bush-Harriman-managed Thyssen entities, Hamburg-American Line, under Vesting Order No. 126, also signed by Crowley. Eight days after the seizure of UBC, Congress invoked the Trading with the Enemy Act again to take control of two more Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses - Holland-American Trading Corp. (Vesting Order No. 261) and Seamless Steel Equipment Corp. (Vesting Order No. 259).
The documents from the Archives also show that the Bushes and Harrimans shipped valuable U.S. assets, including gold, coal, steel and U.S. Treasury bonds, to their foreign clients overseas between 1931-33, as Hitler engineered his rise to power.
Mar 17th, 2004, 12:39 PM
Still No Story?
Since 1942, the information has not appeared in any U.S. news coverage of any Bush political campaign, nor has it been included in any of the major Bush family biographies. It was, however, covered extensively in George H.W. Bush: The Unauthorized Biography, by Webster Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin. Chaitkin's father served as an attorney in the 1940s for some of the victims of the Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses.
The book gave a detailed, accurate accounting of the Bush family's long Nazi affiliation, but no mainstream U.S. media entity reported on or even investigated the allegations, despite careful documentation by the authors. Major booksellers declined to distribute the book, which was dismissed by Bush supporters as biased and untrue. Its authors struggled even to be reviewed in reputable newspapers. That the book was published by Lyndon LaRouche's organization undoubtedly made it easier to dismiss, but does not change the facts.
The essence of the story has been posted for years on various Internet sites, including BuzzFlash.com and TakeBackTheMedia.com, but no online media seem to have independently confirmed it.
In the 1990s, former U.S. Justice Department Nazi war crimes prosecutor John Loftus, now honorary president of the Florida Holocaust Museum, wrote a book and launched a web site (www.john-loftus.com) which did breakthrough reporting, including establishing the link between Prescott Bush, Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation and forced labor at Auschwitz. Although the widely-respected Loftus established a successful international speaking career with his information, no U.S. newspaper or major TV news program acknowledged his decade of work, nor did he ever see many of the recently released documents.
Meanwhile, the mainstream media have apparently made no attempt since World War II to either verify or disprove the allegations of Nazi collaboration against the Bush family. Instead, they have attempted to dismiss or discredit such Internet sites or "unauthorized" books without any journalistic inquiry or research into their veracity.
The National Review ran an essay on September 1 by their White House correspondent Byron York, entitled "Annals of Bush-Hating." It begins mockingly: "Are you aware of the murderous history of George W. Bush - indeed, of the entire Bush family? Are you aware of the president's Nazi sympathies? His crimes against humanity? And do you know, by the way, that George W. Bush is a certifiable moron?" York goes on to discredit the "Bush is a moron" IQ hoax, but fails to disprove the Nazi connection.
The more liberal Boston Globe ran a column September 29 by Reason magazine's Cathy Young in which she referred to "Bush-o-phobes on the Internet" who "repeat preposterous claims about the Bush family's alleged Nazi connections."
Poles Tackle the Topic
Newsweek Polska, the magazine's Polish edition, published a short piece on the "Bush Nazi past" in its March 5, 2003 edition. The item reported that "the Bush family reaped rewards from the forced-labor prisoners in the Auschwitz concentration camp," according to a copyrighted English-language translation from Scoop Media (www.scoop.co.nz). The story also reported the seizure of the various Bush-Harriman-Thyssen businesses.
Still Not Interested
Major U.S. media outlets, including ABC News, NBC News, CNN, The New York Times, Washington Post, Washington Times, Los Angeles Times and Miami Herald, as well as Knight-Ridder Newspapers, have repeatedly declined to investigate the story when information regarding discovery of the documents was presented to them beginning Friday, August 29. Newsweek U.S. correspondent Michael Isikoff, famous for his reporting of big scoops during the Clinton-Lewinsky sexual affair of the 1990s, declined twice to accept an exclusive story based on the documents from the archives.
In 1952, Prescott Bush was elected to the U.S. Senate, with no press accounts about his well-concealed Nazi past. There is no record of any U.S. press coverage of the Bush-Nazi connection during any political campaigns conducted by George Herbert Walker Bush, Jeb Bush, or George W. Bush, with the exception of a brief mention in an unrelated story in the Sarasota Herald Tribune in November 2000 and a brief but inaccurate account in The Boston Globe in 2001.
John Buchanan is an award-winning and internationally published journalist and investigative reporter with 33 years of experience in New York, Los Angeles, Washington and Miami. His work has appeared in more than 50 newspapers, magazines and books. He can be reached by e-mail at: firstname.lastname@example.org.
Mar 17th, 2004, 3:02 PM
prezhorusin04, about this whole Skull and Bones situation here in America, what is this secret society trying to gain out of all this?
Mar 18th, 2004, 10:57 AM
for the most part, they want what their name implies.. :dead:
Worship of Death..The Sun..The serpent...
Complete domination and control of this reality..Population control..Ethnic cleansing..To become like "gods" on this plane of existence..As it was in the beginning, so shall it come to pass at the end..
if THEY get their way..
Mar 18th, 2004, 1:57 PM
Already knew about Prescott Bush. Had a long debate somewhere about it. It happened, its history, deny all they want.
Mar 18th, 2004, 2:44 PM
Alright prez, I have another question. Now does this have any relation towards the exsistance of God and evil? For example christianity or the jewish religion. In some passages of the bible it says somewhere that there are false religions and false worship. Can this in some way have to do with the devil himself? Or is this something much different?
Mar 19th, 2004, 3:38 PM
Yes Strife, i'd say this about ULTIMATE good and evil..In my mind ALL religions are false...The very word religion, is in itself, a PRISON for the spirit and mind...A way of domination & mental warfare...
It is undeniable to me, that ALL religions came from the same force of bloodlines of families and men..KINGS AND PRIESTS..One need only look at Freemasonry to see the direct link of "Christians", Judaism, and Egypt..
All of these cults/families, can trace their connections to each other and the societies and cults of generations past..Rome, Greece,Hebrew, India, Egypt and before.
THEY created all the "devils" and "gods"..To fufill their personal self image and power.-And to give us the "answers" that we longed for..All the while the answers being the ones that granted them the most strength.
Mar 19th, 2004, 8:11 PM
I beg to differ. I believe that all those things (gods and devils) did and do exists. However, a few really smart people were able to take advantage of the ignorance of the masses' belief in them. By bending the truth and telling the people what they want to hear, you can get anything out of them. Ever seen the movie "Focus?" All organized religions are just like Mr. Newman's neighbor.
Mar 19th, 2004, 8:31 PM
Err... Intel just released a new core for a processor name Prescott... :confused:
Bush talk from the last Presidency and i was only like 12 years old then
We do have a lot alike... I'm 12 right now! :indec:
Mar 20th, 2004, 2:48 AM
I beg to differ. I believe that all those things (gods and devils) did and do exists. However, a few really smart people were able to take advantage of the ignorance of the masses' belief in them.
So Chris, you think that, say, the Serpent god of Death SET really existed/exists?-Or Dhupa, the mother goddess of incense in Buddhism?
Bali, the demonic Hindu god?The jackal headed god Anubis really exists? Or the Chinese creator god Shang Ti? Or the MAITRAYA who is known as "the loving one". With 3 eyes and three heads?
i agree with you partially Chris..But these gods didn't exist..They were created..Be it "divine" inspiration or not..And there are literally THOUSANDS of them..!
i do believe, and know, of a one true creator energy though..The nexus of all dimension..-We are here for a reason, that is for sure..
Err... Intel just released a new core for a processor name Prescott...
Prescott is known as the "godfather of the information age" as to he is one of the Key makers of the first CIA computer mainframes.(to survive a nuclear holocaust)
We do have a lot alike... I'm 12 right now! :indec:
LoL! LoTrf, why did you expose yourself!!? :bncry: :rolling:
Keep it up, one day you'll be as retarded as me!!
Mar 20th, 2004, 3:41 PM
Thankyou Prez! I do one day hope to become a educated as you! :D
Mar 20th, 2004, 6:10 PM
Thank You LotrF! :D
There is still alot of things that i do not know, very many things, but remember this..
School is fine, but there is no education as the things that you discover for yourself..Through experience and your own research and common sense..
Don't get me wrong, go for the good grades, but always follow your own personal interests as well..And don't be afraid to go for it all..To reach the height of what life can be..
And seek to maintain as much of your innocence and individuality as possible, because within those things is a great amount of your spirit..
Never ignore your heart..Excersize you body and your logic..
Enough from me on that..i've got to go finish a book, Finish sculpting my tin-foil time machine, and get my trashcan politician army running! :lol:
Mar 21st, 2004, 4:41 PM
Here I am again in the CT threads...
Bush Family Values... Click here! (http://www.hereinreality.com/familyvalues.html)
Mar 21st, 2004, 11:47 PM
looks like a bad Jerry Springer episode, don't it??! :bs:
Mar 25th, 2004, 12:20 AM
"Throughout the world, on any given day, a man, woman or child is likely to be displaced, tortured, killed or "disappeared", at the hands of governments or armed political groups. More often than not, the United States shares the blame."
Amnesty International, 1996
GEORGE BUSH AND HIS HORRIFIC RECORD
OF STATE TERRORISM
SO WILL YOU BE PROSECUTING DAD, MR.PRESIDENT?
NO, THOUGHT NOT
Ex-President George H. Bush accused of
war crimes and political killings
By Seán Mac Mathúna
Accusation no 1: Bush alleged to have killed Japanese fishermen
Former US president and CIA chief George H. Bush, the father of the current US President George W. Bush, has been accused throughout his life of being involved either with terrorism, the Mafia, and drug trafficking, either during his time as CIA director (1976-1977) or his term as Vice President (1980-198 or President (1989-1992). Apart from his alleged involvement in the CIA during the Kennedy assassination, he is also said to have carried out violations of the Geneva Convention as a US fighter pilot during the war. He was alleged to have killed Japanese trawler men in a lifeboat whilst a fighter-pilot during the second world war. The latest person to make these allegations is the former Panamanian dictator and CIA stooge, General Manuel Noriega, who is presently serving a 40 year jail sentence in the USA. Calling Bush a "cold blooded killer", he repeats the story that Bush had found Japanese trawler men in a lifeboat, who all had their hands up, but Bush shot them anyway. According to The Observer, Bush has always refused to respond to accusations that he killed Japanese trawler men whose ship he sunk in 1944.(1)
In his interview with The Observer, Noreiga also alleged that Bush, when he was CIA chief in 1976, was responsible for a bomb blast in Panama that destroyed a car owned by William Drummond, a prominent US resident of the American occupied Canal Zone. He was a vocal critic of the negotiations between the US and Panama, and the blast was said to have been "arranged" by the CIA in an attempt to pressurise US residents to end their resistance to the treaty. Noreiga says:
"the US embassy in Panama didn't known about 'Bush's scheme' and got nervous . . . so Bush had to calm the embassy down - he created a problem to solve a problem".
Bush denies Noreiga's claims.
Bush was CIA director from 1976 until 1977. Some background information on this period discussed by William Blum in The CIA: A Forgotten History. During the mid-seventies, the CIA poured money into the Cuban exile terrorist groups such as Omega 7 and Alpha 66, who used the US soil as a "safe haven" to launch attacks on Cuba and it's perceived supporters in the US. In 1976, a bomb was discovered at the New York Academy of Music shortly before a celebration of the 1959 Cuban Revolution was about to begin and a bombing of the Lincoln centre after the Cuban ballet had performed.
Japan indicts Bush as war criminal
In early 1997, Bush was further indicted as a alleged war criminal by the Japanese government. This was in response to the US decision to bar 16 Japanese citizens from the USA for alleged war crimes committed during the second world war. A Japanese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hiroshi Hashimoto announced that 10 American's would be barred from Japan for their "war crimes, crimes against humanity, and violations of human rights". Top of the list was George Bush for "the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, including thousands of children, in attacks on Iraq and Panama" in 1990 and 1988. The other alleged war criminals were: General's Colin Powell and "Stormin" Norman Schwarzkopf, former Presidents Ronald Reagan and Gerald Ford, and other US military and government figures such as Colonel Oliver North, Henry Kissinger, Robert MacNamara, CIA director John Deutch and Elliot Abrams.(5)
Accusation no 2: Echoes of Lockerbie - the bomb that blew up a Cuban airliner in 1976
But by far the most serious act of terrorism alleged against the CIA, when Bush was it's chief, was the blowing up of a Cuban Airlines plane shortly after it took of from Barbados on 6th October 1976. The attack, which was claimed by a then new Cuban exile terrorist group called CORU, killed 73 people, including the entire Cuban Olympic championship fencing team. (2)
Proof has recently emerged of the lengths that the CIA would go to carry out acts of terrorism against civilian targets and, even more pertinently, how the agency was prepared to fabricate evidence "providing irrevocable proof" that Cuba was responsible for terrorist actions which they knew Cuba was not involved in. The Guardian reported the existence of Operation Dirty Trick - a plan to blame Cuba for any mishap during John Glenn's pioneering Earth orbit flight on February 20th 1962. This would be accomplished by "manufacturing various pieces of evidence" which would "prove" electronic interference by Cuba. This evidence was among 1500 pages of classified documents released by the Assassination Records Review Board - the agency that oversees the release of papers connected with the murder of President Kennedy in 1963.
The memo also proposed developing a strategy of tension with exile groups that involved a plan to "sink a boatload of Cubans en route for Florida". This has the U.S. planning acts of treason and piracy on the high seas as well as indiscriminate terrorist acts against civilian airliners in it's ambition to remove the popular government of President Castro, and replace it with the mobsters and autocrats who supported the Batista regime until the revolution in 1959.(3)
Accusation no 3: involvement in the murder of Orlando Letelier and Ronni Moffitt in 1976
This is relevant because when Bush was CIA director, Salvador Allende's former ambassador to the USA, Orlando Letelier and his assistant Ronni Moffitt were murdered on September 21st, 1976, when a remote-controlled bomb ripped apart Letelier's car as they drove down Massachusetts Avenue, a stately section of Washington known as Embassy Row. Allende, the world's first democratically elected Marxist President was ousted in a bloody CIA-backed coup that lead to his assassination in 1973. The attack on Letelier was later attributed to CORU.
Within four months of forming in 1976, CORU claimed to have killed 76 people in North and South America, including Letelier. CORU were later described as a terrorist group which had "the active support of the CIA". CORU members also had close links with Chile's feared secret police, DINA, which was also implicated in the murder of Letelier. Two Cuban exiles and a US citizen were later charged with Letelier's murder.(4) Many CORU members served with the CIA's contra terrorist movement in Nicaragua.
Under George Bush, the CIA leaked a false report that not only cleared Chile's military dictatorship - it pointed the FBI in the wrong direction. The bogus CIA assessment, was spread through Newsweek magazine and other American media outlets, was planted despite CIA's now admitted awareness at the time that Chile was participating in Operation Condor, a cross-border campaign targeting political dissidents, and the CIA's own suspicions that the Chilean junta was behind the terrorist bombing in Washington, according to the author Robert Parry writing on the website consortiumnews.com.
In a 21-page report to Congress on September 18th 2000, the CIA officially acknowledged for the first time that the mastermind of the terrorist attack, Chilean intelligence chief Manuel Contreras, was a paid asset of the CIA.
In 1988, Parry said that when the then-Vice President Bush was citing his CIA work as an important part of his government experience, he submitted questions to him asking about his actions in the days before and after the Letelier bombing. Bush's chief of staff, Craig Fuller, wrote back, saying Bush "will have no comment on the specific issues raised in your letter."
Mar 25th, 2004, 12:22 AM
Accusation no 3: knowledge of state terrorism in Italy
In February 2000, according to The Guardian (6), Bush may be called to give evidence in a terrorism trial, amid claims that the "CIA knew of a rightwing bombing campaign in Italy 30 years ago". Four neo-fascist suspects are accused of planting a bomb in Milan on December 12th 1969, killing 16 people. It is widely accepted that this bombing, and subsequent attacks (like the Bologna railway massacre in 1980), were part of a "strategy of tension" to destabilse the country and "reduce electoral support for the Communist party". One of the suspects, Carlo Digilio is alleged, like his father, to have been a CIA informant. An investigating judge, Guido Salvini said that:
American agents were responsible for promoting the strategy of tension, even though they did not intervene directly but through orgainsations whose actions could not be traced to them.
Apparently, a key issue in the trial is whether US agents were aware of preparations for the bombing and "did nothing", or worse, as the newspaper noted, "they promoted it". Thus, the court is to decide whether to call all the CIA heads from 1960 to the present, including Bush, to testify. According to Puppet Masters: The Political Use of Terrorism in Italy by Philip Willan (Constable, London, 1993), Bush is alleged to had a close relationship with Lucio Gelli, the infamous head of the P2 masonic lodge. Gelli said in an interview, in which he was careful to claim that he had only met Bush in 1981, not when he was CIA director in 1976, that he once spent a whole week with George Bush at the time of his inauguration as Vice President in 1981. Willan wonders:
"What could the two men, who had only just met, have discussed for an entire week ?"
Two years after Bush left the CIA, the Italian Prime Minister was murdered in May 1978, ostensibly by the Red Brigades, and in September 1978, the Pope died in disputed circumstances. Puppet Masters details how the first phase of state terrorism, which lasted in Italy until 1974, was
"Characterized by right-wing terrorism and, in particluar, by indiscriminate bombings against the public"
Willan shows how this strategy of tension was the result of secret NATO accords and was "sanctioned at the highest level of the Atlantic Alliance" - something the CIA would have been closely involved in. Thus, the reason why Bush could be called to give evidence in Italy.
One thing that the Bush family is said to be worried about is the release of General Manuel Noriega from jail in the USA. If this happens he could spill on the beans on the CIA's links to the cocaine industry in Latin America that played such a vital role in the arming and financing of the Contra terrorists in Nicaragua during the 1980's. Also, their is the possibility that, at last, the CIA and ex-President Bush will be held to account for the murder in Washington of Letelier and their support for the coup in Chile that bought the fascist General Pinochet to power.
Mar 29th, 2004, 4:03 AM
George W. Bush has stated he'd prefer to be a dictator at least three times, according to BuzzFlash.com:
"You don't get everything you want. A dictatorship would be a lot easier." Describing what it's like to be governor of Texas.(Governing Magazine 7/9
-- From Paul Begala's "Is Our Children Learning?"
"I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don't agree with each other, but that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator," Bush joked.
-- CNN.com, December 18, 2000
"A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question about it, " [Bush] said.
-- Business Week, July 30, 2001
Buzzflash.com thanks a loyal reader for compiling this chronology.
October 29, 2002
"You are entering another dimension. A dimension not only of site and sound, but of mind. A wonderous land who's boundries are that only of imagination. That's the signpost up ahead, your next stop, the Twilight Zone!"
Mar 30th, 2004, 11:52 PM
Bin Laden's family link to Bush
by PETER ALLEN, Daily Mail
In summer 1971, Osama and Salem Bin Laden enjoyed a holiday in Sweden with some of their 55 brothers and sisters.
Yet within a few years, the two teenagers' lives had taken stunningly different turns.
As the world knows to its cost, Osama embraced Islamic fundamentalism and 30 years later was named the world's most wanted man. He is prime suspect in the murder of nearly 7,000 in the worst ever terrorist atrocities in the U.S. earlier this month.
Incredibly, Salem went on to become a business partner of the man who is leading the hunt for his brother. In the 1970s, he and George W Bush were founders of the Arbusto Energy oil company in Mr Bush's home state of Texas.
Photos reveal the brothers on family holiday to the Swedish town of Falun, 150 miles north-west of Stockholm, when Osama was 14 and Salem around 19.
The brothers had recently inherited a fortune from their construction magnate father, Mohammed. He left millions to each of his 57 children by 12 wives after dying in a plane crash in 1968.
Osama and Salem first visited Falun in 1970, arriving in a blue Rolls-Royce flown to Copenhagen by private jet. They liked the town so much they returned with other family members a year later.
Learning that the Bin Ladens, originally from Saudi Arabia, were staying at the Astoria Hotel, a local photographer asked the unusual visitors to pose.
Astoria owner Christina Akerblad said last night: 'They were beautiful boys, so elegantly dressed. Everybody loved them.
'Osama played with my two boys, Anders and Gerk.
'What's happened since is absolutely terrible. The first time I realised Osama had turned into a terrorist was when I saw his photograph in a magazine article about the bombing. He and his brother were such nice boys.'
At that time the brothers both delighted in their enormous wealth. Salem - wearing a polo neck and slacks as he crouches three places from Osama, in jeans and a skinny rib jumper - put a large part of his money into business ventures, including Arbusto Energy.
Mr Bush was not long out of Harvard Business School when he started the company in 1978.
Salem watched it grow into a hugely successful business until his death in a microlight plane crash in Texas in 1983.
As he built his own business empire, Salem Bin Laden had an intriguing relationship with the president-to-be.
In 1978, he appointed James Bath, a close friend of Mr Bush who served with him in the Air National Guard, as his representative in Houston, Texas.
It was in that year that Mr Bath invested $50,000 (about £34,000) in Mr Bush's company, Arbusto. It was never revealed whether he was investing his own money or somebody else's.
There was even speculation that the money might have been from Salem. In the same year, Mr Bath bought Houston Gulf Airport on behalf of the Saudi Arabian multimillionaire. Three years ago, Mr Bush said the $50,000 investment in Arbusto was the only financial dealing he had with Mr Bath.
Last night a White House spokesman was unavailable for comment.
Before his death, Salem was married to Briton Caroline Carey, now 35.
She has never spoken about her brother-in-law Osama, who was disowned by the rest of his family in 1991 when he was expelled from Saudi Arabia for his anti-government activities.
Now living in luxury in a Cairo villa, she has married twice into the Bin Laden family - first to Salem, and now to a younger brother, Khaled. She has a daughter by each brother.
Three years ago a family friend said: 'She first met Salem when she was just a child - no more than five years old.
'He was a friend of the family but at that stage no one would have dreamed that they would end up marrying.
'When they met again as adults, Caroline was 20 and Salem twice her age.
'Salem was the head of the Bin Laden family as the oldest of all the brothers and sisters.
'He was a man with a powerful presence.'
They married and, after his death, Caroline decided to bring up her daughter in Saudi Arabia.
'Caroline was a widow for nearly ten years before deciding to marry Khaled,' said the friend. 'He is one of the younger brothers and very quiet and loving.
'She can never speak publicly about her marriage, or anything else for that matter, or she would be cut off from the family.'
Caroline's father, a retired psychology lecturer from Hampstead, said: 'My daughter is very happy with Khaled. She decided to stay on in Saudi Arabia because she found her family there to be so loving and supportive.'
Yesterday FBI agents swooped on a Boston suburb where around 20 of the wealthy relatives of Bin Laden live. They questioned them at a condominium complex in Charlestown. Agents even began visiting nightclubs to collect credit cards of younger members of the family.
Bin Laden's younger brother Mohammed, who is said to have moved back to Saudi Arabia with his wife and children several years ago, owns a ten-bedroom mansion in nearby Wayland.
Another younger brother, Abdullah, is a 1994 graduate of Harvard Law School. The family has given it £2million in endowments to research Islamic law.
Most of Bin Laden's family have in the past strongly denounced the 44-year-old fugitive, now living in Afghanistan.
The FBI in Boston has long been aware of his extended family and began monitoring their activities after the 1998 terrorist bombings of U.S. embassies in Africa.
The Bin Ladens still run one of the biggest construction companies in the world
Mar 31st, 2004, 7:37 AM
Apr 1st, 2004, 11:52 PM
Media laughing with Bush
Posted on Thursday, April 01 @ 21:57:51 EST by phaseiii
When George W. Bush appeared before the annual Radio & Television Correspondents' Association dinner and joked about his failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, it was a challenging--and illuminating--moment for the Washington media. As Bush flashed photographs of himself looking about the Oval Office and quipped, "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere," the betuxed and begowned audience generally laughed. I did not--and the next morning wrote what I believe was the first review critical of Bush's performance (www.thenation.com/capitalgames), accusing him of callousness and arrogance for making fun of the primary reason he'd cited for sending Americans to war and death, and for turning serious scandal (his use of false assertions to launch a war) into rimshot comedy.
The Nation Article
Posted April 1, 2004
by David Corn
Perhaps it was not surprising that Bush was so insensitive. By turning his prewar misinformation--or disinformation--into material for yuks, he was downgrading a controversy. Suspicious minds can wonder if that was the strategic intent of the bit. But did the media have to go along?
An extensive though unscientific review of the subsequent coverage suggests that many, if not most, in the Washington press corps saw Bush's shtick as no big deal. Was this a sign of Washington clubbiness? An indication that big-name journalists are removed from the substance of the political and policy debates they cover? Or that for them nothing is out of bounds--or sacred? I find it hard to ascribe motives to a group. But quite a few journalists--some of whom strike me as decent folks--were all too willing to cut Bush slack. On the Today show Tim Russert said, "Rather than be judgmental, let me just step back; ironically...the exact same joke was told to me two weeks ago by a very rabid antiwar Democrat." But had that Democrat asked Americans to die for a phony argument? Referring to somber comments Bush had made about US troops overseas, Russert noted, "If you look at the evening in the totality, the people who were there I don't think came away with some of the same conclusions as people who just heard snippets." Wall Street Journal political correspondent John Harwood said that to criticize Bush over this was a "cheap shot." Fox News's Brit Hume decried people who are too "easily offended" and said the joke "made [Bush] look good only in the sense that it showed he could poke fun at himself." His advice: "Get over it." Also at Fox, Tony Snow compared Bush's gag to Bill Clinton kidding about the Lewinsky controversy. (On CNN's Capital Gang, Al Hunt made the obvious point: "Nobody died as a result of the...Lewinsky miscues.") NPR's Juan Williams said the complaints were just politics. CNN's Dana Bash and Elaine Quijano both noted that the joke got plenty of laughs and nobody booed, as if that settled the matter.
Much of the media approached the story as just another tussle between Democrats and Republicans. On CNN's Newsnight, White House correspondent John King merely noted that John Kerry had issued a statement rapping Bush for the joke and that the White House had defended the remarks as appropriate. An AP story quoted three Republicans (including GOP chairman Ed Gillespie) and three Democrats expressing the obvious views. "You can hear the laughter," Gillespie said. "The people in the room obviously saw the humor in it at that moment, and to play it back now in a different context is unfair." (What different context?) The Washington Post also ran a partisan tit-for-tat piece. The New York Times carried a 255-word dispatch that cited "unhappy" viewers who had seen a clip of the event on CNN, and it quoted a Bush spokesperson.
Not all Washington journalists and commentators went with the just-a-joke or it's-all-politics lines. Kenneth Bazinet, a White House correspondent for the New York Daily News, penned a front-page piece on family members of dead GIs who were enraged by Bush's routine. CBS Evening News interviewed Sue Niederer, whose son, Lieut. Seth Dvorin, was killed in Iraq. She said, "You don't joke about things of this nature." MSNBC's Bill Press and Pat Buchanan agreed Bush had gone too far. So (predictably) did CNN's Paul Begala. On Hardball, Chris Matthews roughed up Tucker Eskew, a Bush campaign adviser, who defended the joke as "mildly self-deprecating." Matthews, noting he'd recently visited Walter Reed hospital, where about 3,000 seriously injured soldiers were being treated, pounced: "Would you have [Bush] tell those jokes as he tours the [veterans] hospitals?"
Overall, there was more excuse and explanation than outrage and examination. Before an audience of people who supposedly spend their days pursuing the truth, Bush joked about misstatements (if not lies) he had used to persuade (if not hornswoggle) the American people and the media. This was a real inside joke--that is, for Bush, Karl Rove and the gang. And few media insiders got it.
Apr 3rd, 2004, 12:19 AM
Apr 3rd, 2004, 3:06 AM
Hey Prez....nice link =) I read about some of it on Yahoo, but really didn't see pics until now.....I don't blame the kid either....not only is Bush boring.....he's a shithead as well.....I think it's quite hilarious what happened.....bet Bush is just a tad pissed.....
Jun 1st, 2004, 6:05 PM
CHECK EM OUT!
Jun 1st, 2004, 8:23 PM
This topic reminds me why I don't smoke pot.
Anyways, the masons are just a religious group. They don't have a plot to take over the world, they don't have a secret agenda; we learned about them in my religious studies class.
Mason is 5 letters. GBush is 5 letters. COINCIDENCE? I DONT THINK SO!
9112001 is 7 digits. add up the digits of that. 14 = 7 + 7. THIS MUST MEAN THAT ANOTHER 9/11 IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN!
Masonry = 7 letters too!
My name is Chad. Chad is 4 letters. Bush is 4 letters. Therefore, I am in this conspiracy with Bush!
Jun 1st, 2004, 8:57 PM
good for you "Stewey", i don't smoke pot either..
And hey, i do believe that you're in on it with Bush..i can tell..
Actually, Freemasonry SAYS it isn't a religion, since it allows all religions into it..And Say, did your religious study class talk about the Masons (MAY-SUN) main god of Jebelum, The Grand Architect of the Universe?? No? Didn't think so..
i'm sorry mate, you're just not informed..
Now go drink your nice little glassy of warm milk, and slumber back off into the illusion..
Jun 3rd, 2004, 4:03 AM
prezhorusin04 I must be humble and to admit, I lack the info that you have described about (MAY-SUN) main god of Jebelum, The Grand Architect of the Universe?? I know a small fraction of the masons, but I sure would appreciate if you could lay me a link to download so that I wont slip into illusion. :toast: With all due respect! good day
Jun 3rd, 2004, 4:14 PM
Hybrid, i apologize for being so short with Stewey, i just really dis-like it when you spend time posting pages upon pages to try and explain something, and then someone comes in with 4 sentences and think they've discredited all the work you've put in..!
As for a definitive source of Mason info you can look in to, while there isn't any ONE place i can reccomend, here are a couple good books and links..
i don't agree with these books 100%, but they are very informative..As well as:
tHERE IS ALOT OF MASONIC INFO ON THESE AO BOARDS AS WELL..And this isn't all about MAsons, many of which are good people, this is about Skull and Bones, Bohemian Grove, CFR, Trilateral Commission, Rosicrucians and a dozen other secret societies who are all working together to bring about "The Great Work Of the Ages".
Hope some of this info serves you well Hybrid!!-Let me know if i can send you any more links/info!!
Jun 4th, 2004, 12:06 AM
They don't have a plot to take over the world, they don't have a secret agenda; we learned about them in my religious studies class. They may not be plotting to take over the world but they definitely are secretive. Try and just walk into a Temple and observe their ceremonies. Myself, I don't have time or trust for organizations that's secretive. Unless we're talking about National Security.
Jun 4th, 2004, 2:43 PM
Welcome to the new world order. An order in which global markets are owned and influenced by the people of power and fame. Is it the illuminati? Bones and skull, the Masons? Are all of them in diffrent sectors of this planet responsable for the minipulation of the masses. Are we the Pharohs servants of modern day? Thanks for the links Prez, I appreciate it alot!
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