SeekNDestroy
Dec 4th, 2003, 1:47 PM
You'd have thought he'd want to encourage it...
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DarkAce
Dec 4th, 2003, 7:57 PM
Where often preached to it's a place of eternal torment and if you sin you end up there blah blah blah but I'd figure down in hell people would be listening to non stop rock music, drinking beer, gambling and watching non stop porn:crazy: To be honest heaven sounds a tad boring considering most of what we do is considered a sin.
You're right, you'd think he'd be high fiving those who corrupt 'God's world'.
You're right, you'd think he'd be high fiving those who corrupt 'God's world'.
evilwill
Dec 4th, 2003, 9:02 PM
Agreed.
You must remember logic is a tool not posessed by christians.
You must remember logic is a tool not posessed by christians.
MetalMilitia
Dec 4th, 2003, 10:09 PM
I'd figure down in hell people would be listening to non stop rock music, drinking beer, gambling and watching non stop porn
Are you implying that my friends basement is hell? If so it's a real bad-ass place, with nifty shag carpets... no torture goin on there though... only sweet, sweet escape.
Are you implying that my friends basement is hell? If so it's a real bad-ass place, with nifty shag carpets... no torture goin on there though... only sweet, sweet escape.
dutchie
Dec 5th, 2003, 3:34 AM
Mike, your thread says "why does Satan punish evil?". But you give no further support to that question. Why do you ask this? How does Satan punish evil?
The question had me baffled :crazy:
But what had me even more baffled that none of the members replying questioned the question....
The question had me baffled :crazy:
But what had me even more baffled that none of the members replying questioned the question....
Bigsky770
Dec 5th, 2003, 3:46 AM
:wine: Think we could all meet there, one day, & play cards?
Joe (Bigsky770)
Joe (Bigsky770)
MetalMilitia
Dec 5th, 2003, 4:49 AM
I'm tellin' you, if hell is the way you described it... I know where it is... that is all.
deathking
Dec 5th, 2003, 8:33 AM
he does i suppose
MetalMilitia
Dec 5th, 2003, 10:18 PM
Good point Smershy...
If anything god is the one that punishes evil by letting his angels unleash plagues and devistation and all.... his wrath... It is in fact punishment for not believing or doing evil things. The seven angels with the seven plagues is gods' doing, not satans. God is also the one that, if your name isn't written in the book of life, will cast you into the lake of fire...:Bdevil:
The more I read it looks like god is the one punishing everyone for these "evil" things.
Edit: PS, all you have to do is read revelations if you want to see who is doing the punishing :)
If anything god is the one that punishes evil by letting his angels unleash plagues and devistation and all.... his wrath... It is in fact punishment for not believing or doing evil things. The seven angels with the seven plagues is gods' doing, not satans. God is also the one that, if your name isn't written in the book of life, will cast you into the lake of fire...:Bdevil:
The more I read it looks like god is the one punishing everyone for these "evil" things.
Edit: PS, all you have to do is read revelations if you want to see who is doing the punishing :)
VegasRonin
Dec 5th, 2003, 11:10 PM
I take it Mike means that supposedly, evil doers get sent to hell to be tormented by the devil and his demons. I believe the Judeo Christian answer is that the devil hates mankind. He wants us to sin so that we can't enter God's presence. The devil's sin was pride. He thought he was as good as God. He didn't go around torturing other angels or lifeforms. He just hates man cause God created us and loves us. The devil must be a being worthy of respect and trust if a 3rd of the angels committed mutiny with him and against God. Man probably shouldn't trust him but he probably treats his people pretty good.
DarkAce
Dec 6th, 2003, 11:13 AM
That or God paid them minimal wage:devsmo:
SeekNDestroy
Dec 6th, 2003, 2:25 PM
Well it says in the Bible that if you're bad you go to hell and face eternal torment blah blah. But then, God would say his rival was like that...
VegasRonin
Dec 6th, 2003, 6:42 PM
Well it says in the Bible that if you're bad you go to hell and face eternal torment blah blah.
I could be wrong but I don't think the Bible says anything like that. I think the closest thing to that is at the end of Armegeddon, Satan and his minions get cast into the Lake of Fire, follwed shortly thereafter by Death himself. Those that don't make it to Heaven are just not resurrected to live their glorious new life in new bodies (Not my words). They just discontinue to exist. This hellfire and brimestone is the creation of religious orders and are not grounded in the bible or Judaic manuscripts.
I could be wrong but I don't think the Bible says anything like that. I think the closest thing to that is at the end of Armegeddon, Satan and his minions get cast into the Lake of Fire, follwed shortly thereafter by Death himself. Those that don't make it to Heaven are just not resurrected to live their glorious new life in new bodies (Not my words). They just discontinue to exist. This hellfire and brimestone is the creation of religious orders and are not grounded in the bible or Judaic manuscripts.
SeekNDestroy
Dec 7th, 2003, 1:12 PM
Luke C16:
"22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented."
"22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented."
VegasRonin
Dec 7th, 2003, 6:31 PM
Like I said, I could be wrong. :p Look onthe bright side, at least you can still talk to God while you're being burned and tormented.:lol: You'll have eternal companionship.
DarkAce
Dec 8th, 2003, 3:24 PM
I wonder if you were to talk to him, would he talk back?
VegasRonin
Dec 8th, 2003, 7:51 PM
Apparently in Hell you can have 2 way conversations with God but on earth you're regulated to one way convo only. :p
evilwill
Dec 8th, 2003, 8:21 PM
There's a better signal in hell
dutchie
Dec 9th, 2003, 4:36 AM
:rollin:
They need it for digital TV...
They need it for digital TV...
evilwill
Dec 9th, 2003, 6:45 AM
Watch Fox and be damned for all eternity!
lazserus
Dec 9th, 2003, 10:20 AM
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Good 'ol Uncle Laz -- he loves them bosoms. :nudge:
Good 'ol Uncle Laz -- he loves them bosoms. :nudge:
SherryShriner
Jan 1st, 2004, 3:10 AM
Why does Satan punish evil?
Satan gets power from pain and suffering. He thrives and exists from the negative energy of it. It gives him more power.
One of the best books I've ever read is "Divine Revelation of Hell" by Meredith (or Mary) K. Baxter. I still read that book at least once a year just to keep it in my mind.
You have to read that book if you really want to know what Hell is like.
She was taken there every night for 40 nights by Jesus Himself to write down what she saw and tell mankind.
Sherry Shriner,
Satan gets power from pain and suffering. He thrives and exists from the negative energy of it. It gives him more power.
One of the best books I've ever read is "Divine Revelation of Hell" by Meredith (or Mary) K. Baxter. I still read that book at least once a year just to keep it in my mind.
You have to read that book if you really want to know what Hell is like.
She was taken there every night for 40 nights by Jesus Himself to write down what she saw and tell mankind.
Sherry Shriner,
SeekNDestroy
Jan 1st, 2004, 3:55 AM
Right so Satan likes people being evil to each other. So if I was him, I'd make hell a really nice place, to encourage everyone to sin as much as possible so they could go there. Punishing people for doing what you want them to really doesn't make sense.
SherryShriner
Jan 1st, 2004, 4:39 AM
You'd have to understand Hell.
Hell is a place of torment. Not partying and listening to your favorite rock music. No one there is glorious over having been on the "highway to hell."
they are in TORMENT. And Satan loves it. Every second of it. He feeds off their pain and suffering.
There's an instance in that book I touted earlier, where Mary was taken to the 'throne room' of Satan, where souls who just died are brought before him. And the demons brought a woman before him. And she was boasting to him how much evil she had caused on earth, how he had promised her half his kingdom because she had been one of his highest ranking witches, and she went on proclaiming how big a servant of his she had been and did everything he wanted her to do etc.. Expecting a HUGE reward for being so faithful to him. At this, Satan roars with laughter. He tells her.."who are you that I would share my kingdom with you?" Take her to her kingdom!" and he roars with laughter..so Mary watches as the demons drag her to her "kingdom" a dungeon/cell with nothing but a rocking chair inside of it.
She also relates how there are tiers and tiers of these cells in a circular pattern, this is just one section/part of hell (there were many) and how Satan walked into the center of these tiers, many stories high, and laughed, and would cause fire to shoot out and hit everyone in these cells with it's flames. He would demand their worship of him while they were screaming in pain. And then laugh and walk away.
He feeds off the pain, off the screams, off the suffering. The other places in hell are even worse.
The only way to escape hell is through Jesus.
Sherry Shriner,
Hell is a place of torment. Not partying and listening to your favorite rock music. No one there is glorious over having been on the "highway to hell."
they are in TORMENT. And Satan loves it. Every second of it. He feeds off their pain and suffering.
There's an instance in that book I touted earlier, where Mary was taken to the 'throne room' of Satan, where souls who just died are brought before him. And the demons brought a woman before him. And she was boasting to him how much evil she had caused on earth, how he had promised her half his kingdom because she had been one of his highest ranking witches, and she went on proclaiming how big a servant of his she had been and did everything he wanted her to do etc.. Expecting a HUGE reward for being so faithful to him. At this, Satan roars with laughter. He tells her.."who are you that I would share my kingdom with you?" Take her to her kingdom!" and he roars with laughter..so Mary watches as the demons drag her to her "kingdom" a dungeon/cell with nothing but a rocking chair inside of it.
She also relates how there are tiers and tiers of these cells in a circular pattern, this is just one section/part of hell (there were many) and how Satan walked into the center of these tiers, many stories high, and laughed, and would cause fire to shoot out and hit everyone in these cells with it's flames. He would demand their worship of him while they were screaming in pain. And then laugh and walk away.
He feeds off the pain, off the screams, off the suffering. The other places in hell are even worse.
The only way to escape hell is through Jesus.
Sherry Shriner,
DarkAce
Jan 1st, 2004, 5:29 PM
You figure that this book by Baxter is fact? What makes you so sure Sherry?
The way you describe it is the same way catholics/christians describe it to force fear of sinning into it's believers. You sin and you end up in eternal torment. It's also interesting to note how the different testaments deals with forgiveness, redemption, etc. In the Old it seems a lot easier to be sent to hell for deeds you've done, but in the New you get a lot more chances and the rules are a bit more laxest. Besides how would Jesus help you escape? It seems we're given enough chances to repent our sins, etc. that if we indeed end up in hell then we would probably deserve it, no? Why would he want to help the non-righteous?
The way you describe it is the same way catholics/christians describe it to force fear of sinning into it's believers. You sin and you end up in eternal torment. It's also interesting to note how the different testaments deals with forgiveness, redemption, etc. In the Old it seems a lot easier to be sent to hell for deeds you've done, but in the New you get a lot more chances and the rules are a bit more laxest. Besides how would Jesus help you escape? It seems we're given enough chances to repent our sins, etc. that if we indeed end up in hell then we would probably deserve it, no? Why would he want to help the non-righteous?
SherryShriner
Jan 1st, 2004, 6:51 PM
Baxter's book aligns with what the Bible says about Hell. What Jesus says about hell. So naturally I support it because I believe in Jesus Yah'shuah and am one of His.
From somebody elses line of thinking, what if she's right? That's a big risk/gamble to take for someone who has a view of Hell that makes it the ultimate party place and fun place to be. If she's right, and they're wrong, it will be too late for them to change the path their on once they're there. They will realize that she was right, that Jesus was right, and anyone else that had tried to warn them of the horrors of hell..and it will be too late for them to do anything about it then.
Why does He want to help the non righteous? It is not of God that anyone should perish (be sent to Hell). That's why He uses His people to warn others about it. If they won't pick up a Bible, maybe they'll pick up a book at Amazon. Or they'll hear from others, and believe, and receive Him and get off that Highway to Hell.
Yes man has plenty of chances while they're alive to receive forgiveness of their sins and escape hell by embracing Jesus. Tomorrow is promised to no one. Another second of life is promised to no one. Once you die, that's it. No second chances.
That's why God admonishes us, "Choose this day whom you will serve."
Sherry Shriner,
From somebody elses line of thinking, what if she's right? That's a big risk/gamble to take for someone who has a view of Hell that makes it the ultimate party place and fun place to be. If she's right, and they're wrong, it will be too late for them to change the path their on once they're there. They will realize that she was right, that Jesus was right, and anyone else that had tried to warn them of the horrors of hell..and it will be too late for them to do anything about it then.
Why does He want to help the non righteous? It is not of God that anyone should perish (be sent to Hell). That's why He uses His people to warn others about it. If they won't pick up a Bible, maybe they'll pick up a book at Amazon. Or they'll hear from others, and believe, and receive Him and get off that Highway to Hell.
Yes man has plenty of chances while they're alive to receive forgiveness of their sins and escape hell by embracing Jesus. Tomorrow is promised to no one. Another second of life is promised to no one. Once you die, that's it. No second chances.
That's why God admonishes us, "Choose this day whom you will serve."
Sherry Shriner,
VegasRonin
Jan 1st, 2004, 9:40 PM
Job
Chapter 1
1
In the land of Uz 1 there was a blameless and upright man named Job, who feared God and avoided evil.
2
2 Seven sons and three daughters were born to him;
3
3 and he had seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, five hundred yoke of oxen, five hundred she-asses, and a great number of work animals, so that he was greater than any of the men of the East.
4
His sons used to take turns giving feasts, sending invitations to their three sisters to eat and drink with them.
5
And when each feast had run its course, Job would send for them and sanctify them, rising early and offering holocausts for every one of them. For Job said, "It may be that my sons have sinned and blasphemed God in their hearts." This Job did habitually.
6
4 One day, when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, Satan also came among them.
7
And the LORD said to Satan, "Whence do you come?" Then Satan answered the LORD and said, "From roaming the earth and patrolling it."
8
And the LORD said to Satan, "Have you noticed my servant Job, and that there is no one on earth like him, blameless and upright, fearing God and avoiding evil?"
9
But Satan answered the LORD and said, "Is it for nothing that Job is God-fearing?
10
Have you not surrounded him and his family and all that he has with your protection? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his livestock are spread over the land.
11
But now put forth your hand and touch anything that he has, and surely he will blaspheme you to your face."
12
And the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand upon his person." So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
The God of this scripture obviously views people as Playthings , and he also takes the advice of an enemy that he supposedly cast out. Sounds like God and Satan hang out and share tea n' biscuits. You can have both of them.:mad:
Chapter 1
1
In the land of Uz 1 there was a blameless and upright man named Job, who feared God and avoided evil.
2
2 Seven sons and three daughters were born to him;
3
3 and he had seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, five hundred yoke of oxen, five hundred she-asses, and a great number of work animals, so that he was greater than any of the men of the East.
4
His sons used to take turns giving feasts, sending invitations to their three sisters to eat and drink with them.
5
And when each feast had run its course, Job would send for them and sanctify them, rising early and offering holocausts for every one of them. For Job said, "It may be that my sons have sinned and blasphemed God in their hearts." This Job did habitually.
6
4 One day, when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, Satan also came among them.
7
And the LORD said to Satan, "Whence do you come?" Then Satan answered the LORD and said, "From roaming the earth and patrolling it."
8
And the LORD said to Satan, "Have you noticed my servant Job, and that there is no one on earth like him, blameless and upright, fearing God and avoiding evil?"
9
But Satan answered the LORD and said, "Is it for nothing that Job is God-fearing?
10
Have you not surrounded him and his family and all that he has with your protection? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his livestock are spread over the land.
11
But now put forth your hand and touch anything that he has, and surely he will blaspheme you to your face."
12
And the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand upon his person." So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.
The God of this scripture obviously views people as Playthings , and he also takes the advice of an enemy that he supposedly cast out. Sounds like God and Satan hang out and share tea n' biscuits. You can have both of them.:mad:
SherryShriner
Jan 1st, 2004, 10:11 PM
Satan has always been an accuser of the brethren. God allows Satan to test God's children.
Job stood firm in his faith. He didn't waiver.
then look what it says, Job was given three times of what he once owned or had, he was greatly blessed by the Lord three times over.
mercy and judegment, trials and blessings,
who ever said life was boring?
every day people are facing trials in thier lives, bad things happening to good people..it's all in God's plan for them, us, and ultimately it's a test of our faith to stand in Him.
Sherry Shriner,
Job stood firm in his faith. He didn't waiver.
then look what it says, Job was given three times of what he once owned or had, he was greatly blessed by the Lord three times over.
mercy and judegment, trials and blessings,
who ever said life was boring?
every day people are facing trials in thier lives, bad things happening to good people..it's all in God's plan for them, us, and ultimately it's a test of our faith to stand in Him.
Sherry Shriner,
VegasRonin
Jan 1st, 2004, 10:35 PM
You're totally missing the point. Its very obvious that these two beings in the story (God(Not my God) and Satan) view people as playthings. How can anyone blindly worship a being that will give you up to his enemy, just to prove to his enemy that he was right about you?! I guess its alright cause in the end, God gave Job more stuff??:Ohwell: This is how Domestic Violence cycles itself. The man beats the women, then apologizes and offers gifts and undying love. The woman forgives the man, and sets herself up for the next beating. This usually ends with the women's death. You see the correlation don't you? Human Race needs to mature and stop offering itself up for abuse and slaughter. :smokin:
mickydoolittle
Jan 1st, 2004, 10:36 PM
It's a parable--nothing more. It's no more true or accurate than your decoding efforts Sherry. One day you'll die and be sorely disappointed because there is no afterlife or pretty mansion lined gold streets.
See again, there is the wealth issue...God alledgedly gave Job lots of material value to right what was done wrong to him by gods permission. God is to its sheeple lots of unimaginable wealth to right their wronged suffering lives.
Fool.
There is a donkey with the carrot in front of it so it'll continue to do what the manipulator wants it to do.
See again, there is the wealth issue...God alledgedly gave Job lots of material value to right what was done wrong to him by gods permission. God is to its sheeple lots of unimaginable wealth to right their wronged suffering lives.
Fool.
There is a donkey with the carrot in front of it so it'll continue to do what the manipulator wants it to do.
VegasRonin
Jan 2nd, 2004, 1:21 AM
See again, there is the wealth issue...God alledgedly gave Job lots of material value to right what was done wrong to him by gods permission.
It does come across that way, and its sickening to think someone would worship/justify a being that behaves thusly.:tired:
It does come across that way, and its sickening to think someone would worship/justify a being that behaves thusly.:tired:
SherryShriner
Jan 2nd, 2004, 1:52 AM
Well whether we like it or not there's one being that completely wants to destroy us and God who wants us to come to Him and follow and worship Him only.
There's nothing else. We don't own ourselves. Ultimately either God does, or Satan does. And just because someone doesn't choose one, Satan gets that person on default. For we must CHOOSE God and follow Him and seek Him. It's an active and voluntary choice.
If one doesn't choose God, then Satan gets that person's soul on default. So once you die, he claims your soul for rejecting to choose God. It's a game to Satan..to collect as many souls and keep them from God as he can. So he creates religions, gods, goddesses, material wealth, drugs, addictions, and any other distraction he can come up with to keep people from seeking a relationship with the one true God. Then when they die, they're his (Satan's).
It's been that way since the beginning of time and it's not going to change. God will even allow Satan to rule the world for 1260 days, known as the Antichrist. This is the person the NWO is working so hard to bring to power. The "ascended master" so many are waiting for to rule the world in "peace." He will bring and cause nothing but destruction his entire reign.
His assistant, the False Prophet, (most believe the next pope) will force every person in the world to accept a chip in their right hand or forehead to participate in the coming global economy. It will be a microchip such as digital angel, or even a tattoo of some kind like a crucifix, some believe a barcode. This will also prove you are going to be loyal to him and worship him only as 'god.' Those who refuse, will be beheaded (Revelation chapter 13).
This is what the NWO and Illuminati are all about and are working to bring to pass.
There's one of two beings who will claim your soul as their own when you die. Who do you want to claim yours? God or Satan?
Sherry,
There's nothing else. We don't own ourselves. Ultimately either God does, or Satan does. And just because someone doesn't choose one, Satan gets that person on default. For we must CHOOSE God and follow Him and seek Him. It's an active and voluntary choice.
If one doesn't choose God, then Satan gets that person's soul on default. So once you die, he claims your soul for rejecting to choose God. It's a game to Satan..to collect as many souls and keep them from God as he can. So he creates religions, gods, goddesses, material wealth, drugs, addictions, and any other distraction he can come up with to keep people from seeking a relationship with the one true God. Then when they die, they're his (Satan's).
It's been that way since the beginning of time and it's not going to change. God will even allow Satan to rule the world for 1260 days, known as the Antichrist. This is the person the NWO is working so hard to bring to power. The "ascended master" so many are waiting for to rule the world in "peace." He will bring and cause nothing but destruction his entire reign.
His assistant, the False Prophet, (most believe the next pope) will force every person in the world to accept a chip in their right hand or forehead to participate in the coming global economy. It will be a microchip such as digital angel, or even a tattoo of some kind like a crucifix, some believe a barcode. This will also prove you are going to be loyal to him and worship him only as 'god.' Those who refuse, will be beheaded (Revelation chapter 13).
This is what the NWO and Illuminati are all about and are working to bring to pass.
There's one of two beings who will claim your soul as their own when you die. Who do you want to claim yours? God or Satan?
Sherry,
mickydoolittle
Jan 2nd, 2004, 2:11 AM
hehehehehehe...oh this is going to be fun!. :evil:
Originally posted by SherryShriner
Well whether we like it or not there's one being that completely wants to destroy us and God who wants us to come to Him and follow and worship Him only.
Here is the first issue and most important because it identifies your refusal to attempt free independent unhindered thought. Once you do such, all this dead weight will fall. So what's with the weakness of believing that you should serve as an eternal SLAVE?
Originally posted by SherryShriner
There's nothing else. We don't own ourselves. Ultimately either God does, or Satan does. And just because someone doesn't choose one, Satan gets that person on default. For we must CHOOSE God and follow Him and seek Him. It's an active and voluntary choice.
So, when you have sex with someone or take a drink or a drag, you're not in control? When someone kills someone else, they are not in control? Rubbish. HA! You are in control. There is no cop out allowed here. Grow up and take some responsibility. Not in control....HA! There is nothing 'voluntary' about being a slave.
Originally posted by SherryShriner
If one doesn't choose God, then Satan gets that person's soul on default. So once you die, he claims your soul for rejecting to choose God. It's a game to Satan..to collect as many souls and keep them from God as he can. So he creates religions, gods, goddesses, material wealth, drugs, addictions, and any other distraction he can come up with to keep people from seeking a relationship with the one true God. Then when they die, they're his (Satan's).
Why must satan be male? Aren't all angels a-sexual? Satan was an angel of god. So where does gender come into play? Another contradiction.
Guffaw.
Originally posted by SherryShriner
It's been that way since the beginning of time and it's not going to change. God will even allow Satan to rule the world for 1260 days, known as the Antichrist. This is the person the NWO is working so hard to bring to power. The "ascended master" so many are waiting for to rule the world in "peace." He will bring and cause nothing but destruction his entire reign.
God 'allows' evil to run things? Oh, that is until he tires it and destroys those who are pawns in it's game of mortality.
Guffaw.
Originally posted by SherryShriner
His assistant, the False Prophet, (most believe the next pope) will force every person in the world to accept a chip in their right hand or forehead to participate in the coming global economy. It will be a microchip such as digital angel, or even a tattoo of some kind like a crucifix, some believe a barcode. This will also prove you are going to be loyal to him and worship him only as 'god.' Those who refuse, will be beheaded (Revelation chapter 13).
Ppl have been claiming that every technological advancement concerning anything financial was the mark--it started way back in the day with SSN's and then Checks, and then Credit Cards/ATM cards. Then it was digital watches worn on the wrist. Then it was the barcodes used on products for sales and inventory control. Next it was the computers in our cars....then it was the computers in our homes...GET OVER IT! There is no mark. As for beheadings...the same I posted earlier remains true--FEAR MONGERING is TERRORISM. How is this any different?
Originally posted by SherryShriner
This is what the NWO and Illuminati are all about and are working to bring to pass.
Guffaw.
Originally posted by SherryShriner
There's one of two beings who will claim your soul as their own when you die. Who do you want to claim yours? God or Satan?
What soul? There is no soul. What god? What satan? Just because they are figments of one’s imagination, doesn’t indicate reality in any case.
:sardonic:
Originally posted by SherryShriner
Well whether we like it or not there's one being that completely wants to destroy us and God who wants us to come to Him and follow and worship Him only.
Here is the first issue and most important because it identifies your refusal to attempt free independent unhindered thought. Once you do such, all this dead weight will fall. So what's with the weakness of believing that you should serve as an eternal SLAVE?
Originally posted by SherryShriner
There's nothing else. We don't own ourselves. Ultimately either God does, or Satan does. And just because someone doesn't choose one, Satan gets that person on default. For we must CHOOSE God and follow Him and seek Him. It's an active and voluntary choice.
So, when you have sex with someone or take a drink or a drag, you're not in control? When someone kills someone else, they are not in control? Rubbish. HA! You are in control. There is no cop out allowed here. Grow up and take some responsibility. Not in control....HA! There is nothing 'voluntary' about being a slave.
Originally posted by SherryShriner
If one doesn't choose God, then Satan gets that person's soul on default. So once you die, he claims your soul for rejecting to choose God. It's a game to Satan..to collect as many souls and keep them from God as he can. So he creates religions, gods, goddesses, material wealth, drugs, addictions, and any other distraction he can come up with to keep people from seeking a relationship with the one true God. Then when they die, they're his (Satan's).
Why must satan be male? Aren't all angels a-sexual? Satan was an angel of god. So where does gender come into play? Another contradiction.
Guffaw.
Originally posted by SherryShriner
It's been that way since the beginning of time and it's not going to change. God will even allow Satan to rule the world for 1260 days, known as the Antichrist. This is the person the NWO is working so hard to bring to power. The "ascended master" so many are waiting for to rule the world in "peace." He will bring and cause nothing but destruction his entire reign.
God 'allows' evil to run things? Oh, that is until he tires it and destroys those who are pawns in it's game of mortality.
Guffaw.
Originally posted by SherryShriner
His assistant, the False Prophet, (most believe the next pope) will force every person in the world to accept a chip in their right hand or forehead to participate in the coming global economy. It will be a microchip such as digital angel, or even a tattoo of some kind like a crucifix, some believe a barcode. This will also prove you are going to be loyal to him and worship him only as 'god.' Those who refuse, will be beheaded (Revelation chapter 13).
Ppl have been claiming that every technological advancement concerning anything financial was the mark--it started way back in the day with SSN's and then Checks, and then Credit Cards/ATM cards. Then it was digital watches worn on the wrist. Then it was the barcodes used on products for sales and inventory control. Next it was the computers in our cars....then it was the computers in our homes...GET OVER IT! There is no mark. As for beheadings...the same I posted earlier remains true--FEAR MONGERING is TERRORISM. How is this any different?
Originally posted by SherryShriner
This is what the NWO and Illuminati are all about and are working to bring to pass.
Guffaw.
Originally posted by SherryShriner
There's one of two beings who will claim your soul as their own when you die. Who do you want to claim yours? God or Satan?
What soul? There is no soul. What god? What satan? Just because they are figments of one’s imagination, doesn’t indicate reality in any case.
:sardonic:
VegasRonin
Jan 2nd, 2004, 8:32 PM
Well whether we like it or not there's one being that completely wants to destroy us and God who wants us to come to Him and follow and worship Him only.
This is IRONY at its best. A lot of Christians worry about Evil, Satan, and Armageddon. They put all their faith into God to save them. This is a scriptural fact: satan has never destroyed the world but I believe the Christian God has. I don't think Satan has ever been proven to have done anything really, except tempt Eve, and convince God to screw Job over. The system is all turned around and laughable. In a court of law, I wonder which one of the deities would be proven evil by the evidence? Keep in mind, I don't prescribe to either but I'm no Atheist.
This is IRONY at its best. A lot of Christians worry about Evil, Satan, and Armageddon. They put all their faith into God to save them. This is a scriptural fact: satan has never destroyed the world but I believe the Christian God has. I don't think Satan has ever been proven to have done anything really, except tempt Eve, and convince God to screw Job over. The system is all turned around and laughable. In a court of law, I wonder which one of the deities would be proven evil by the evidence? Keep in mind, I don't prescribe to either but I'm no Atheist.
mickydoolittle
Jan 2nd, 2004, 9:48 PM
and don't forget god allowed its son to be killed. And you all know my thoughts on the following.
SherryShriner
Jan 4th, 2004, 2:15 AM
Angels don't procreate...doesn't mean they can't. (Or means that when they came to live on earth, they gave up their spiritual bodies for physical ones). Either way, they were capable of producing offspring.
When the Watchers came to earth and decided to leave heaven to cohabitate with earth women..they created their own offspring. So how is that possible if they couldn't have sex? The one problem they had was that the mixing of their dna and humans, created a dna defect called Giantism. Thus, there were giants in the land..many of them..and when they couldn't find food or animals, they would eat humans.
It got to the point where 99% of the created human population was contaminated with the Watchers DNA except one family. So God wiped them out and destroyed the world with a flood, saving only Noah and his family, thus preserving pure human dna.
Then after the flood, evenually more Watchers decided to abandon heaven for earth. And giantism popped up again. The Israelite army destroyed many of thier towns and cities when they reclaimed the land the Lord had given to them when they were freed by Pharoah where they had been held in captivity as slaves. This is where Moses comes in and then Joshua and all the battles he had with the Nephilim.
Eventually the giantism defect dropped off, but the mixing of seed never did. To this day, many humans carry fallen angel/Watcher dna through their family lines of mixed hybrid marriages. It's not an obvious thing anymore like it once was with the giantism defect, but the dna contamination never stopped.
Many of us have contaminated dna and dont' even know it.
I'm not ignoring anyone's questions, I just forget alot of them when I start writing, anyone can send me a message to clarify something in my mailbox or write to sherry_shriner@yahoo.com if I don't address it on this board.
Sherry Shriner,
When the Watchers came to earth and decided to leave heaven to cohabitate with earth women..they created their own offspring. So how is that possible if they couldn't have sex? The one problem they had was that the mixing of their dna and humans, created a dna defect called Giantism. Thus, there were giants in the land..many of them..and when they couldn't find food or animals, they would eat humans.
It got to the point where 99% of the created human population was contaminated with the Watchers DNA except one family. So God wiped them out and destroyed the world with a flood, saving only Noah and his family, thus preserving pure human dna.
Then after the flood, evenually more Watchers decided to abandon heaven for earth. And giantism popped up again. The Israelite army destroyed many of thier towns and cities when they reclaimed the land the Lord had given to them when they were freed by Pharoah where they had been held in captivity as slaves. This is where Moses comes in and then Joshua and all the battles he had with the Nephilim.
Eventually the giantism defect dropped off, but the mixing of seed never did. To this day, many humans carry fallen angel/Watcher dna through their family lines of mixed hybrid marriages. It's not an obvious thing anymore like it once was with the giantism defect, but the dna contamination never stopped.
Many of us have contaminated dna and dont' even know it.
I'm not ignoring anyone's questions, I just forget alot of them when I start writing, anyone can send me a message to clarify something in my mailbox or write to sherry_shriner@yahoo.com if I don't address it on this board.
Sherry Shriner,
mickydoolittle
Jan 4th, 2004, 4:15 AM
So how tall are you sherry?
VegasRonin
Jan 4th, 2004, 8:31 PM
Many of us have contaminated dna and dont' even know it.
I don't like the sound of that. Smacks of Aryan ideology to me.
I don't like the sound of that. Smacks of Aryan ideology to me.
SherryShriner
Jan 5th, 2004, 1:58 AM
Aryans are Nordic..at least they appear to be awfully alot alike with the blonde hair/blue eyes thing.
Ever wonder why Hitler wanted to create a master Aryan race when he himself was Jewish?
Vegas you said, "Apparently in Hell you can have 2 way conversations with God but on earth you're regulated to one way convo only"
that's not true..
:sardonic:
building a relationship with God, a relationship. One sided relationships are rude don't you think?
God talks to His people.
Sherry Shriner,
Ever wonder why Hitler wanted to create a master Aryan race when he himself was Jewish?
Vegas you said, "Apparently in Hell you can have 2 way conversations with God but on earth you're regulated to one way convo only"
that's not true..
:sardonic:
building a relationship with God, a relationship. One sided relationships are rude don't you think?
God talks to His people.
Sherry Shriner,
mickydoolittle
Jan 5th, 2004, 9:05 PM
So. . . .sherry. . . .How tall are you?
Originally posted by SherryShriner
One sided relationships are rude don't you think?
No...it isn't a relationship when the other party threatens torment/torture/damnation for not adhering to it's whims...excuse me...rules... excuse me again....'plan'. Sherry, that's known as rape. NO excuses or explanations available there.
Originally posted by SherryShriner
One sided relationships are rude don't you think?
No...it isn't a relationship when the other party threatens torment/torture/damnation for not adhering to it's whims...excuse me...rules... excuse me again....'plan'. Sherry, that's known as rape. NO excuses or explanations available there.
VegasRonin
Jan 5th, 2004, 9:37 PM
Aryans are Nordic..at least they appear to be awfully alot alike with the blonde hair/blue eyes thing.
Sheesh! I wasn't talking about your Alien Aryans. Just regular Nazi Philosophy Aryans.:ohmy:
Sheesh! I wasn't talking about your Alien Aryans. Just regular Nazi Philosophy Aryans.:ohmy:
honeycomb
Apr 5th, 2004, 9:57 AM
no he doesn't. satan don't punish evil. instead, he's trying to error us all so that we'll go down too... just like him. he is going to hell as well with the bad guys. the real punisher of evil, is God. not satan.
Hoodlum
Apr 6th, 2004, 7:31 AM
You know what, i dont belive much in the devil, but if there is one, he is a .................................................. ...........
Strife
Apr 26th, 2004, 8:52 PM
no he doesn't. satan don't punish evil. instead, he's trying to error us all so that we'll go down too... just like him. he is going to hell as well with the bad guys. the real punisher of evil, is God. not satan.
So Satan is not in hell yet, then where is he? I'm not trying to act 'wise', I'm just curious to know the answer to my question.
And Hoodlum, what was the point of that? :confused:
So Satan is not in hell yet, then where is he? I'm not trying to act 'wise', I'm just curious to know the answer to my question.
And Hoodlum, what was the point of that? :confused:
honeycomb
Apr 27th, 2004, 10:46 PM
then where is he?
since u asked, i read in the quran that Satan is among us on earth. i know mayb some will mock what i say... but the teaching tells that Satan is actually one of the geanies, made from non-smoke fire (if in science, there are invisible life forms right. geanies are also invisible life forms).
like mankind, in this world, there are good geanies & bad geanies living on earth. satan is a bad geanie. like us humans, there are people who influence us to do good/bad, right. so satan is geanie who influence us to do bad.
so why does satan even bother with us? actually, Satan vowed to led mankind astray as a vengeace for him being expelled from heaven. also to show God how stupid & ungrateful mankind is (since God asked him to bow to Adam). Basically, he wanted to show how wrong for God to ask him to respect Adam.
whoever follows Satan's ways, will follow him to hell. the real guardian of hell (the angels) will do the job of punishing both satan & bad humans. that's what i know... hope it helps. :)
since u asked, i read in the quran that Satan is among us on earth. i know mayb some will mock what i say... but the teaching tells that Satan is actually one of the geanies, made from non-smoke fire (if in science, there are invisible life forms right. geanies are also invisible life forms).
like mankind, in this world, there are good geanies & bad geanies living on earth. satan is a bad geanie. like us humans, there are people who influence us to do good/bad, right. so satan is geanie who influence us to do bad.
so why does satan even bother with us? actually, Satan vowed to led mankind astray as a vengeace for him being expelled from heaven. also to show God how stupid & ungrateful mankind is (since God asked him to bow to Adam). Basically, he wanted to show how wrong for God to ask him to respect Adam.
whoever follows Satan's ways, will follow him to hell. the real guardian of hell (the angels) will do the job of punishing both satan & bad humans. that's what i know... hope it helps. :)
Strife
Apr 28th, 2004, 9:26 PM
Ahh, so this is the story of the Quran's side? I see, good answer. :grin
mickydoolittle
Apr 29th, 2004, 6:05 AM
since u asked, i read in the quran that Satan is among us on earth. i know mayb some will mock what i say... but the teaching tells that Satan is actually one of the geanies, made from non-smoke fire (if in science, there are invisible life forms right. geanies are also invisible life forms).:)
The most important question everyone seems to have missed:
Do you actually believe that what you read is an accurate representation of truth?
The most important question everyone seems to have missed:
Do you actually believe that what you read is an accurate representation of truth?
faust
May 1st, 2004, 10:20 AM
gnostics believe that good/evil light/dark material/spiritual are two equal gods and that mankind embodies both. So the choice is not a matter of punishment because no mater what we do it is wrong in one way to one of our dual gods. I think the only answer is to embrace one side of the equation completely. Look and serch for nirvana(not the group) or chase after a million dollars.
honeycomb
May 1st, 2004, 8:05 PM
Do you actually believe that what you read is an accurate representation of truth?
YES. & about the submitting to nirvana-or-richness; the quran does states that there's worldly gain (richness) & hereafter gain (nirvana, perhaps?). though worldly is temporary & hereafter is an eternaty. though, the God is only One. anyway, just for additional thought. i'm just telling plainly -- its ur own mind to believe. also to strife, thanks...
YES. & about the submitting to nirvana-or-richness; the quran does states that there's worldly gain (richness) & hereafter gain (nirvana, perhaps?). though worldly is temporary & hereafter is an eternaty. though, the God is only One. anyway, just for additional thought. i'm just telling plainly -- its ur own mind to believe. also to strife, thanks...
mickydoolittle
May 1st, 2004, 8:19 PM
The most important question everyone seems to have missed:
Do you actually believe that what you read is an accurate representation of truth?
YES.
How can you put faith into a book whose teachings are outdated, repeatedly shown to perpetuate violence, and ultimately the rantings of a known plagerizer as well as a certifiable lunatic?
Do you actually believe that what you read is an accurate representation of truth?
YES.
How can you put faith into a book whose teachings are outdated, repeatedly shown to perpetuate violence, and ultimately the rantings of a known plagerizer as well as a certifiable lunatic?
honeycomb
May 1st, 2004, 8:37 PM
hv u even read the whole quran & understand its meanings? by the way, i'm a muslim. call me a lunatic whatever, i believe in the quran. & that ravings lunatics? what are u talking about... anyway, i'm going to hv breakfast now.. its 9.41am here. but if u replied, i'll reply later ok... (i'm just thinking u might think i'm debateless - but i'm just hungry right now) adiosss... :vbroll:
mickydoolittle
May 1st, 2004, 8:54 PM
You didn't answer my question or attempt to rebut any of my exceptionally valid points.
honeycomb
May 2nd, 2004, 7:15 PM
bcoz ur "valid" point is not valid. muslims are peaceful, hardworking, charitable, God-believing people. they're not lunatics! if u wanna know some muslims... or.. lets make it better. if u wanna know some PROFESSIONAL women muslims -- click here!
http://www.angelfire.com/hi5/nehex/aiMsiamuslimah.html
http://www.angelfire.com/hi5/nehex/aiMsiamuslimah.html
DarkAce
May 2nd, 2004, 9:52 PM
He didn't call muslims lunatics. He said the writer of the qu'ran was, among other things. His questions is simple: "How can you put faith into a book whose teachings are outdated?"
Btw I hope you can post some info about successful muslim women in Saudi Arabia or some other islamic governed country. Good luck.
Btw I hope you can post some info about successful muslim women in Saudi Arabia or some other islamic governed country. Good luck.
VegasRonin
May 2nd, 2004, 10:55 PM
Btw I hope you can post some info about successful muslim women in Saudi Arabia or some other islamic governed country. Good luck.Hah, how professional can they REALLY be when they can't even go outside in Jeans and a T-Shirt. When they have the right to wear what they want, then I'll listen to how succesful they are. :smokin:
mickydoolittle
May 3rd, 2004, 12:12 AM
I'm still awaiting your response hc..... :yumyum:
honeycomb
May 3rd, 2004, 11:25 PM
"How can you put faith into a book whose teachings are outdated?"
somewhat like how u put your faith in an untested, unprooved, man-made laws. the only difference is i hv total faith the quran will work, bcos it has worked on me. when i applied the quran more in my life, it had made my world more balanced. i feel love, calm & i know my goal in life. every puzzle fits into place. quran teachings aren't outdated. simply, i don't understand how u think it is.
i've read many modern motivational book, how to live a healthy lifestyle, economic solutions, relationship solutions, how to eat right etc -- written by modern scientists, motivational gurus... what amazes me is all these "modern knowledge" has been stated in the quran since 1425 years ago...
just yesterday i read on msn, how to divide ur time with ur children, spouse etc. how to eat right. & i'm very gracious to God, that the quran had stated these all aready! it's like deja vu reading those advices, coz the quran has already stated it all... i think, many advices (scientific, economic, humanitarian, relationship, self-help etc) are now constantly in line with the religious scriptures -- wether coincidental or not.
so simply, the quran is futuristic already & most relevant.
I hope you can post some info about successful muslim women in Saudi Arabia or some other islamic governed country.
ok, nice advice... but, i didn't write for S.A. women bcoz i don't live there, so i don't know much about their lifestyle. i might mistake some things & it would be unfair to S.A women, right.
but i did write about msia coz i live here -- & i know best what's going on here. (click upper link) but u can get to know Queen Rania (Jordan). i wrote about her, she's absolutely brilliant & gorgeous too... hope, ur happy.
http://www.angelfire.com/hi5/nehex/apRania.html
When they have the right to wear what they want, then I'll listen to how succesful they are. :smokin:
they are wearing what they want... if western people feel wearing next-to nothing, or even strak naked is a right, why is it when a woman wants to cover herself -- suddenly its a wrong? plus, ur question can be directed to the French government.
to micky, i've replied... :vbroll:
somewhat like how u put your faith in an untested, unprooved, man-made laws. the only difference is i hv total faith the quran will work, bcos it has worked on me. when i applied the quran more in my life, it had made my world more balanced. i feel love, calm & i know my goal in life. every puzzle fits into place. quran teachings aren't outdated. simply, i don't understand how u think it is.
i've read many modern motivational book, how to live a healthy lifestyle, economic solutions, relationship solutions, how to eat right etc -- written by modern scientists, motivational gurus... what amazes me is all these "modern knowledge" has been stated in the quran since 1425 years ago...
just yesterday i read on msn, how to divide ur time with ur children, spouse etc. how to eat right. & i'm very gracious to God, that the quran had stated these all aready! it's like deja vu reading those advices, coz the quran has already stated it all... i think, many advices (scientific, economic, humanitarian, relationship, self-help etc) are now constantly in line with the religious scriptures -- wether coincidental or not.
so simply, the quran is futuristic already & most relevant.
I hope you can post some info about successful muslim women in Saudi Arabia or some other islamic governed country.
ok, nice advice... but, i didn't write for S.A. women bcoz i don't live there, so i don't know much about their lifestyle. i might mistake some things & it would be unfair to S.A women, right.
but i did write about msia coz i live here -- & i know best what's going on here. (click upper link) but u can get to know Queen Rania (Jordan). i wrote about her, she's absolutely brilliant & gorgeous too... hope, ur happy.
http://www.angelfire.com/hi5/nehex/apRania.html
When they have the right to wear what they want, then I'll listen to how succesful they are. :smokin:
they are wearing what they want... if western people feel wearing next-to nothing, or even strak naked is a right, why is it when a woman wants to cover herself -- suddenly its a wrong? plus, ur question can be directed to the French government.
to micky, i've replied... :vbroll:
VegasRonin
May 3rd, 2004, 11:58 PM
they are wearing what they want... if western people feel wearing next-to nothing, or even strak naked is a right, why is it when a woman wants to cover herself -- suddenly its a wrong? You've totally missed the point. We have women here in America that choose to dress in a concealing manner. That's cool BUT its THEIR CHOICE! Sheesh! I know you understand that, don't ya?
mickydoolittle
May 4th, 2004, 4:34 AM
somewhat like how u put your faith in an untested, unprooved, man-made laws. the only difference is i hv total faith the quran will work, bcos it has worked on me. when i applied the quran more in my life, it had made my world more balanced. i feel love, calm & i know my goal in life. every puzzle fits into place. quran teachings aren't outdated. simply, i don't understand how u think it is.
Unproved? Untested? You're as ignorant as the liberals of AMERICA. Are you mentally challenged are just plain incpable of learning and observing? Your key flaw in your opening statement is: i hv total faith the quran will work. It won't ever work because it hasn't ever worked. The koran did not make your life more balanced...you did by focusing on yourself and getting your shit straight. The koran is as outdated as any religious teaching--they all are about a mythical being that was purported to have divine abilities. Ignorance knows no bounds.
i've read many modern motivational book, how to live a healthy lifestyle, economic solutions, relationship solutions, how to eat right etc -- written by modern scientists, motivational gurus... what amazes me is all these "modern knowledge" has been stated in the quran since 1425 years ago...
If you have to read a book to be motivated in your daily routine--you have issues that no religious text will ever overcome. Even if you were as old as the poligamous wretched turd smoking allah, you couldn't hope to overcome your instabilities. You know I'm correct.
just yesterday i read on msn, how to divide ur time with ur children, spouse etc. how to eat right. & i'm very gracious to God, that the quran had stated these all aready! it's like deja vu reading those advices, coz the quran has already stated it all... i think, many advices (scientific, economic, humanitarian, relationship, self-help etc) are now constantly in line with the religious scriptures -- wether coincidental or not.
Ok...what you're giving credit to on MSN--it has nothing to do with the Koran (anybody else see the brainwashing here?). Deja vu...? It's basic fundamentals of healthy living and a balanced home life. This is known in many cultures and is practiced--in the total absence of your precious plagerized koran.
How can you defend a faith that promotes inquality among the sexes? How can you defend a faith that eximplifies the most extreme violence? How can you defend a faith that rejoices/celebrates in mass destruction, regressive thinking, isolationist politics, and a lack of basic freedoms in everyday life?
so simply, the quran is futuristic already & most relevant.
Yeah, I'm sure the stone age is a much better past to look forward to.
they are wearing what they want... if western people feel wearing next-to nothing, or even strak naked is a right, why is it when a woman wants to cover herself -- suddenly its a wrong? plus, ur question can be directed to the French government.
Here's the problem with the wanting to be covered....they have no choice in being able to go without the veil. I've been with female friends in the M.E. who were required to wear typical head coverings upon ENTERING the country. Don't post known lies and utter shit propaganda here and expect ppl to accept it for truth. You're a product of a mind controlling practice. If you wake up to this fact, you'll thank me and beg to be my concubine.
to micky, i've replied... :vbroll: yes, true--you have replied, but your nonsense is tired and again, is evidence of the open door policy for religion--most of your idiots are found embedded with one religion or another. Your spellling sucks btw.
oh yeah...and...fuq allah.
Unproved? Untested? You're as ignorant as the liberals of AMERICA. Are you mentally challenged are just plain incpable of learning and observing? Your key flaw in your opening statement is: i hv total faith the quran will work. It won't ever work because it hasn't ever worked. The koran did not make your life more balanced...you did by focusing on yourself and getting your shit straight. The koran is as outdated as any religious teaching--they all are about a mythical being that was purported to have divine abilities. Ignorance knows no bounds.
i've read many modern motivational book, how to live a healthy lifestyle, economic solutions, relationship solutions, how to eat right etc -- written by modern scientists, motivational gurus... what amazes me is all these "modern knowledge" has been stated in the quran since 1425 years ago...
If you have to read a book to be motivated in your daily routine--you have issues that no religious text will ever overcome. Even if you were as old as the poligamous wretched turd smoking allah, you couldn't hope to overcome your instabilities. You know I'm correct.
just yesterday i read on msn, how to divide ur time with ur children, spouse etc. how to eat right. & i'm very gracious to God, that the quran had stated these all aready! it's like deja vu reading those advices, coz the quran has already stated it all... i think, many advices (scientific, economic, humanitarian, relationship, self-help etc) are now constantly in line with the religious scriptures -- wether coincidental or not.
Ok...what you're giving credit to on MSN--it has nothing to do with the Koran (anybody else see the brainwashing here?). Deja vu...? It's basic fundamentals of healthy living and a balanced home life. This is known in many cultures and is practiced--in the total absence of your precious plagerized koran.
How can you defend a faith that promotes inquality among the sexes? How can you defend a faith that eximplifies the most extreme violence? How can you defend a faith that rejoices/celebrates in mass destruction, regressive thinking, isolationist politics, and a lack of basic freedoms in everyday life?
so simply, the quran is futuristic already & most relevant.
Yeah, I'm sure the stone age is a much better past to look forward to.
they are wearing what they want... if western people feel wearing next-to nothing, or even strak naked is a right, why is it when a woman wants to cover herself -- suddenly its a wrong? plus, ur question can be directed to the French government.
Here's the problem with the wanting to be covered....they have no choice in being able to go without the veil. I've been with female friends in the M.E. who were required to wear typical head coverings upon ENTERING the country. Don't post known lies and utter shit propaganda here and expect ppl to accept it for truth. You're a product of a mind controlling practice. If you wake up to this fact, you'll thank me and beg to be my concubine.
to micky, i've replied... :vbroll: yes, true--you have replied, but your nonsense is tired and again, is evidence of the open door policy for religion--most of your idiots are found embedded with one religion or another. Your spellling sucks btw.
oh yeah...and...fuq allah.
mickydoolittle
May 4th, 2004, 4:10 PM
Oh Yeah . . .
"I intend to find the approval of god. If I die, I become a martyr. And those I kill will go to hell."
--Terrorist Azmi al Jayousi on Jordanian television, confessing his role in a plot, hatched in iraq, to attack the U.S. Embassy and other buildings in Jordan with chemical bombs, April 26, 2004.
. . . they're a great bunch of peace lovers and life affirming people.
"I intend to find the approval of god. If I die, I become a martyr. And those I kill will go to hell."
--Terrorist Azmi al Jayousi on Jordanian television, confessing his role in a plot, hatched in iraq, to attack the U.S. Embassy and other buildings in Jordan with chemical bombs, April 26, 2004.
. . . they're a great bunch of peace lovers and life affirming people.
honeycomb
May 4th, 2004, 10:17 PM
invite to the Way of your Lord with wisdom and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided.
And if you punish, then punish them with the like of that with which you were afflicted. But if you endure patiently, verily, it is better for the patient ones.
And endure you patiently, your patience is not but from Allah. And grieve not over them, and be not distressed because of what they plot.
Truly, Allah is with those who fear Him, and those who are good-doers.
the quran 16; 125-128
And if you punish, then punish them with the like of that with which you were afflicted. But if you endure patiently, verily, it is better for the patient ones.
And endure you patiently, your patience is not but from Allah. And grieve not over them, and be not distressed because of what they plot.
Truly, Allah is with those who fear Him, and those who are good-doers.
the quran 16; 125-128
mickydoolittle
May 5th, 2004, 2:32 AM
You've defeated your very argument right from the gate.
You're following a religion based upon instilling fear in the underlings. When you realize that this is not healthy, you'll feel so much better about living your life while not in constant guilt over being human. See how the fear of allah is transposed onto the followers creating a fear of themselves in those who don't follow the same religion?
Your faith is not any better than the tyranny Hitler created.
It's the same with christianity...at least they've stopped killing ppl on a mass scale in the name of god...your ppl could learn from the christians.
and another thing--your response is soooo typical of the garden variety religious fanatic. You quote from your holy book as tho it were intended to accomplish some great feat. Alas, it only offers irrefutable proof that you're:
A) Brainwashed
B) Incapable of independent thought
C) lacking common sense to live life by your standards and choices--you believe the will of allah is in charge. ...psshaw...
You're following a religion based upon instilling fear in the underlings. When you realize that this is not healthy, you'll feel so much better about living your life while not in constant guilt over being human. See how the fear of allah is transposed onto the followers creating a fear of themselves in those who don't follow the same religion?
Your faith is not any better than the tyranny Hitler created.
It's the same with christianity...at least they've stopped killing ppl on a mass scale in the name of god...your ppl could learn from the christians.
and another thing--your response is soooo typical of the garden variety religious fanatic. You quote from your holy book as tho it were intended to accomplish some great feat. Alas, it only offers irrefutable proof that you're:
A) Brainwashed
B) Incapable of independent thought
C) lacking common sense to live life by your standards and choices--you believe the will of allah is in charge. ...psshaw...
dutchie
May 5th, 2004, 6:10 AM
Let me get back to the covering of the head by islamic women. This is NOT a sign of their religion: it is the flag of OWNERSHIP islamic men plant on the head of women. They have so little trust in eachother's ability to selfcontainment of erotic feelings, that they have to wrap up their womens heads (and preferably bodies too) in cloth. This is not a trophy of religion for women to be worn with pride; it is evidence of total and dictatorial rule by men over women. It is absolutely medieval and should be banned by law in all western countries, just like France did. :respect:
Bigsky770
May 5th, 2004, 12:31 PM
. . . You put things in such perfect perspective there is nothing more TO ADD.
Good Job, my friend. . . good job. . . :vbroll: :thumbs:
Joe (Bigsky770)
Good Job, my friend. . . good job. . . :vbroll: :thumbs:
Joe (Bigsky770)
Defiant Noquisi
May 5th, 2004, 2:13 PM
Let me get back to the covering of the head by islamic women. This is NOT a sign of their religion: it is the flag of OWNERSHIP islamic men plant on the head of women. Yeah the Taureg people of NW Africa had/have it right, at least the ones that havent fallen to Muslim rule. The MEN cover their heads.....hehehehehehe :yikes:
theguidesword
Jan 10th, 2006, 6:07 PM
Now ask yourself Sherry. Why would Christ even confront an individual with the confrontation of hell? Actually putting them in the site of hell just to actually, supposely show them? I dont think so. She was deceived in such a way that it was evil begetting evil and it would appear that not only she was deceived, so was you.
exu156
Jan 12th, 2006, 5:18 AM
She was taken there every night for 40 nights by Jesus Himself to write down what she saw and tell mankind.
What's Jesus doing hanging around in Hell? And did anyone walk up to him and say: "What's a nice guy like you doing in a place like this?" Or maybe Jesus just pops in for a quick thrill now and again, you know, kind of like, hang out with the cool crowd instead of the endless, self-righteous, holier than thou bores in heaven. Just a thought.
What's Jesus doing hanging around in Hell? And did anyone walk up to him and say: "What's a nice guy like you doing in a place like this?" Or maybe Jesus just pops in for a quick thrill now and again, you know, kind of like, hang out with the cool crowd instead of the endless, self-righteous, holier than thou bores in heaven. Just a thought.
wyltk75
Jan 13th, 2006, 1:42 PM
Satan does not punish evil. Satan delights in evil. Satan was cast down to hell before this world was created because he fought agains God. Satan was not able to receive a body like the rest of us. He is jealous of us, so he wants to make us corrupt our bodies by convincing us that committing adultery and other sexual crimes is OK. He wants to corrupt our souls as well so we will be cast out like he has been.
Satan does not punsh evil, God does.
Satan does not punsh evil, God does.
Beatnik Bob
Jan 13th, 2006, 4:41 PM
Ever wonder why Hitler wanted to create a master Aryan race when he himself was Jewish? That is actually not true.
The only reason most people believe that is because people durring WWII made a joke about it and said, "Hitler was Jewish." Well I'm not 100% sure that's what happened...but it is completely proven that Hitler wasn't Jewish.
The only reason most people believe that is because people durring WWII made a joke about it and said, "Hitler was Jewish." Well I'm not 100% sure that's what happened...but it is completely proven that Hitler wasn't Jewish.
45squared
Jan 13th, 2006, 5:26 PM
Why does Satan punish evil?
Same reason a chicken crosses the road, to get to the other side. Of course to Satan 'evil' is what most consider to be good and likewise 'good' what most consider to be evil. So you gotta force the Satan crowd to stop flunking with the semantics.
In any case all this chicken talk amounts to a bunch of swalkin. :fu:
Same reason a chicken crosses the road, to get to the other side. Of course to Satan 'evil' is what most consider to be good and likewise 'good' what most consider to be evil. So you gotta force the Satan crowd to stop flunking with the semantics.
In any case all this chicken talk amounts to a bunch of swalkin. :fu:
nrj
Jan 14th, 2006, 4:38 AM
It is absolutely medieval and should be banned by law in all western countries, just like France did. :respect: Ok, not banned. I don't mind seeing a muslim women with a burca. Although, they should not be forced to wear it. Make it optional, 'cause otherwise loads of people will complain on ragged jeans.
wyltk75
Jan 23rd, 2006, 2:32 AM
Satan is a real being who was born in the morning of the pre-existence and is a spirit son of God. In the pre-existence he was known as Lucifer and gained power, knowledge and authority. However, when the great Plan of Salvation was presented, Lucifer rebelled and sought to overthrow the Father. This began what is known as the War in Heaven. One third of the hosts of heaven followed Lucifer, were eventually cast out and forever denied the blessing of gaining a physical body. Upon being cast out, Lucifer became known as Satan, the devil, the father of all lies.
Although Satan does not possess a physical body he is a real being who is in eternal opposition to the Father. He and his followers seek to destroy the souls of men by tempting and deceiving them into leaving the paths of righteousness. Indeed, one of his great deceptions today is persuading men that "there is no devil."
Here are some scriptures talking about satan:
Isaiah 14:12-15
2 Corinthians 11:12-15
Revelations 12:3-4
2 Nephi 2:17
2 Nephi 9:8
When we deny the existence of Satan, thinking of him as merely a symbol of evil, we set ourselves up for destruction. How can we defend ourselves against an enemy we do not believe exists?
http://lds.about.com/library/weekly/previousyears/aa073101a.htm
Although Satan does not possess a physical body he is a real being who is in eternal opposition to the Father. He and his followers seek to destroy the souls of men by tempting and deceiving them into leaving the paths of righteousness. Indeed, one of his great deceptions today is persuading men that "there is no devil."
Here are some scriptures talking about satan:
Isaiah 14:12-15
2 Corinthians 11:12-15
Revelations 12:3-4
2 Nephi 2:17
2 Nephi 9:8
When we deny the existence of Satan, thinking of him as merely a symbol of evil, we set ourselves up for destruction. How can we defend ourselves against an enemy we do not believe exists?
http://lds.about.com/library/weekly/previousyears/aa073101a.htm
Mezurashi
Jan 23rd, 2006, 7:21 AM
"How can you put faith into a book whose teachings are outdated?"
I've been asking this question of Jewish people all the time and have been labelled anti-Semetic. This is the face of the fact that the Male Jewish Prayer STILL includes lines like "Thank You God For NOT Making Me A Woman."
Question Islam and it's ok. Question a JEW and you're anti-Semetic.
DOUBLE STANDARDS ANYONE?
(remember Israeli's can be terrorists too, remember Menachem Begin circa 1946?)
I've been asking this question of Jewish people all the time and have been labelled anti-Semetic. This is the face of the fact that the Male Jewish Prayer STILL includes lines like "Thank You God For NOT Making Me A Woman."
Question Islam and it's ok. Question a JEW and you're anti-Semetic.
DOUBLE STANDARDS ANYONE?
(remember Israeli's can be terrorists too, remember Menachem Begin circa 1946?)
Raptor Witness
Jan 25th, 2006, 4:05 PM
I have read this entire thread and have yet to hear the underlying purpose of the "ADVERSARY."
Can a man be made without refining? Can a sword be made without a blacksmith?
Satan is a servant of the Most High. He has but one purpose now, and his equivalent sits in every courthouse in the nation. The Devil is simply the prosecutor of mankind. The reason he is cast into the lake of fire at the end of the world, is because the refining is DONE.
Can a man be made without refining? Can a sword be made without a blacksmith?
Satan is a servant of the Most High. He has but one purpose now, and his equivalent sits in every courthouse in the nation. The Devil is simply the prosecutor of mankind. The reason he is cast into the lake of fire at the end of the world, is because the refining is DONE.
liberdave
Jan 25th, 2006, 10:32 PM
Hrrrmm... you know, witness, you should honestly take a look at this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism) and just read it. I think a little bit of your system would be complemented by it.
Raptor Witness
Jan 25th, 2006, 11:54 PM
Perhaps liberdave, but perhaps is what this thread is all about.
If the bullets are hell coming at you, then Jesus is Neo.
http://static.flickr.com/15/91301461_958d0d42e1.jpg
If the bullets are hell coming at you, then Jesus is Neo.
http://static.flickr.com/15/91301461_958d0d42e1.jpg
ltwild3
Jan 31st, 2006, 9:50 PM
Satan does not punish evil. He likes when you sin. He is jealous because God kicked him out of Heaven. The devil lusts over having us. God loves us, Satan therefore wants us to be with him, not our creator. He makes hell sound good so you will go to him and not God. When you get to Hell it will be a big suprise. The Bible says the Devil is a lier and is not to be trusted. God is jealous and wants his creations to be with him, not the devil. But God does not lust over us(which is the true sin of jealosy). If we dont accept him he lets the Devil have us. We are all accountable at the end of our lives. Who do you want to be with, God who loves us, or the Devil who wants us to suffer?
New Creature
Feb 1st, 2006, 9:22 PM
Satan does not punish evil. He likes when you sin. He is jealous because God kicked him out of Heaven. The devil lusts over having us. God loves us, Satan therefore wants us to be with him, not our creator. He makes hell sound good so you will go to him and not God. When you get to Hell it will be a big suprise. The Bible says the Devil is a lier and is not to be trusted. God is jealous and wants his creations to be with him, not the devil. But God does not lust over us(which is the true sin of jealosy). If we dont accept him he lets the Devil have us. We are all accountable at the end of our lives. Who do you want to be with, God who loves us, or the Devil who wants us to suffer?
So following this line of logic, God, whom created us, and the universe and everything in it, does not have the power to keep us all? This question is odd why does satan punish evil?
Satan can do nothing without asking it of God. God is in control. God created Evil, without it we can never fully understand his love for us. This is the "purpose of Life" IMHO. However to say that God wants something and might not get it is ludacris. God does not "wish" to save the world. God did not "wish" for there to be light.
Before you scratch your head and try to refute my "God created evil" statment remember that God created EVERYTHING. And for a purpose.
Satan will not rule the fabled eternal hell. He is sent there as punishment. (And I dont think its eternal fire either) Utterly destroyed is what the bible says. No, not the modernized, translated, raped bibles of today.
So following this line of logic, God, whom created us, and the universe and everything in it, does not have the power to keep us all? This question is odd why does satan punish evil?
Satan can do nothing without asking it of God. God is in control. God created Evil, without it we can never fully understand his love for us. This is the "purpose of Life" IMHO. However to say that God wants something and might not get it is ludacris. God does not "wish" to save the world. God did not "wish" for there to be light.
Before you scratch your head and try to refute my "God created evil" statment remember that God created EVERYTHING. And for a purpose.
Satan will not rule the fabled eternal hell. He is sent there as punishment. (And I dont think its eternal fire either) Utterly destroyed is what the bible says. No, not the modernized, translated, raped bibles of today.
ltwild3
Feb 2nd, 2006, 6:45 AM
What I ment to say was that God likes it when we go to Heaven because we want to be with him. He enjoys it when we show love for him like that. When we go to Hell, he is upset that we didnt choose him. He could let us all into Heaven but he wants to see who will follow him and see who truly loves him. He dosen't like it when we choose Hell. Thats what I ment to say. :nerdo: I just can't always find the words to use.
Beatnik Bob
Feb 12th, 2006, 1:25 AM
I've been asking this question of Jewish people all the time and have been labelled anti-Semetic. This is the face of the fact that the Male Jewish Prayer STILL includes lines like "Thank You God For NOT Making Me A Woman. Would you mind naming this prayer? Va'ahavtah? Sh'ma? Barchu? Heck, the motzi. Because it's none of those.
Or is this perhaps a Orthodox Jewish prayer, which i could sort of understand, because Orthodox Jews disslike progression. But anyway...the percentage of Orthodox Jews in the field of Judaism is VERY small.
Besides, isn't the Talmud a book that aplies the Torah to everyday life?
Thus the Torah is not out dated, because it is applied to modern life.
You couldn't have met too many Jews Mezurashi, otherwise one would have mentioned the Talmud....
Or is this perhaps a Orthodox Jewish prayer, which i could sort of understand, because Orthodox Jews disslike progression. But anyway...the percentage of Orthodox Jews in the field of Judaism is VERY small.
Besides, isn't the Talmud a book that aplies the Torah to everyday life?
Thus the Torah is not out dated, because it is applied to modern life.
You couldn't have met too many Jews Mezurashi, otherwise one would have mentioned the Talmud....
a4syth
Feb 21st, 2006, 8:17 PM
So, when you have sex with someone or take a drink or a drag, you're not in control? When someone kills someone else, they are not in control? Rubbish. HA! You are in control. There is no cop out allowed here. Grow up and take some responsibility. Not in control....HA! There is nothing 'voluntary' about being a slave.
No, God does not want us to be robots or slaves. He wants us to love him and share eternal life with him. That is why he gave us free will so we could choose if it is God we want or sin. God has the ability to control us but he CHOOSES to give us free choice of loving him.
Why must satan be male? Aren't all angels a-sexual? Satan was an angel of god. So where does gender come into play? Another contradiction.
Just because Satan is refered to as "he" doesn't make him male. It would just be weird if we called Satan it or he/she. It is not to be taken literally.
Ppl have been claiming that every technological advancement concerning anything financial was the mark--it started way back in the day with SSN's and then Checks, and then Credit Cards/ATM cards. Then it was digital watches worn on the wrist. Then it was the barcodes used on products for sales and inventory control. Next it was the computers in our cars....then it was the computers in our homes...GET OVER IT! There is no mark. As for beheadings...the same I posted earlier remains true--FEAR MONGERING is TERRORISM. How is this any different?
People are always going to be paranoid about that but if Jesus says that the end will come like a thief in the night and we will not know when then how can anybody point out when it will happen. No one will realize that it is mark or no one would take it.
No, God does not want us to be robots or slaves. He wants us to love him and share eternal life with him. That is why he gave us free will so we could choose if it is God we want or sin. God has the ability to control us but he CHOOSES to give us free choice of loving him.
Why must satan be male? Aren't all angels a-sexual? Satan was an angel of god. So where does gender come into play? Another contradiction.
Just because Satan is refered to as "he" doesn't make him male. It would just be weird if we called Satan it or he/she. It is not to be taken literally.
Ppl have been claiming that every technological advancement concerning anything financial was the mark--it started way back in the day with SSN's and then Checks, and then Credit Cards/ATM cards. Then it was digital watches worn on the wrist. Then it was the barcodes used on products for sales and inventory control. Next it was the computers in our cars....then it was the computers in our homes...GET OVER IT! There is no mark. As for beheadings...the same I posted earlier remains true--FEAR MONGERING is TERRORISM. How is this any different?
People are always going to be paranoid about that but if Jesus says that the end will come like a thief in the night and we will not know when then how can anybody point out when it will happen. No one will realize that it is mark or no one would take it.
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