Ancient Hammer Found,100 million Years Old?

[VegasRonin]

In June of 1934, members of the Hahn family discovered a rock, sitting loose on a rock ledge beside a waterfall outside London, Texas. The site primarily consists of Cretaceous rock (75 to 100 million years old). Noticing that this weathered rock had wood protruding from it, they cracked it open, exposing the hammer head. To verify that the hammer was made of metal, they cut into one of the beveled sides with a file. The bright metal in the nick is still there, with no detectable corrosion. The unusual metallurgy is 96% iron, 2.6% chlorine and 0.74% sulfur (no carbon). Density tests indicate casting exceptional quality.


Is this wild or what? I'm a big believer that we're only beginning to unearth our real history. Check out the pic.

[Bigsky770]

Reading your post brought something back to my mind, has to do with a book that I had read years ago, (book was copyrighted 1970, I believe), and it follows this line in that it had purportedly claimed that there were 2 (two) ADVANCED CIVILIZATIONS EVEN before the time of "The Roman Empire". (I cannot recall the "name" of the book, though I enjoyed the contents so much it set me to wondering about alot of "human history" that we are NOT aware of).
As the story goes, (if I am recalling correctly) The First Civilization was more advanced then ours, (but) their people perished because (strangely enough when you consider the COPYRIGHT date of the "book" @ 1970) they would NOT defend themselves against those that would and did destroy them. . .
The Second Great Civilization died out as a result of its' own foolhardiness, waste & consumption, and was irreverant even unto its' own peoples. . .
The book had to do with "Reincarnation", each person's personal quest towards "Self-Actualization", (a process that could occur over many lifetimes), The Paranormal, Spirits, etc.
I can recall that this work stated that the next greatest "revolution" (technologically) would be in the area of "sound transmission" and its' ability to accomplish many of the tasks we use other forms of energy for (presently). . .
Being that it was that the "book" was prior to our present-and-ongoing Electronics Revolution, (in looking back over the last 30-odd years) I've gotta ask myself how could it not SEE the "possibility" of that which we are IN. Wish I could recall the name of the book. . . :wall:

Joe (Bigsky770)

[VegasRonin]

There's a book out called Forbidden Archaeology. It goes into detail about other artifacts and sites found that predates when science tells us civilization started. I got goose pimples when I read it. I also saw a program on the Discovery Channel that outlined similar finds. On Discovery, they went into the Archives of the Smithsonian and showed all kinds of relics that didn't fit into the current paradigm of science and archaeology. Evidently coming across such things isn't too uncommon but when they're found, they're just put away and classified as an anomoly. What kind of crap is that? It seems both science and religion are self serving. To borrow a Prez mindset for a minute, I feel like a mushroom sometimes "Kept in the dark and fed shyt!".

[Bigsky770]

I do believe that there can be within science communities those who would rather "misplace" or incorrectly 'file' items found in order to protect the predominent theories that they may subscribe to. . Especially if they believe that there exists even the slightest possibility that these 'Anomolous items' could completely toss all of their pre-conceived notions upon the "waste-heap" of human history, (that is) how we know it. . . Will we ever 'KNOW' the "TRUTH"? Probably not. . .
Joe (Bigsky770)

[ThunderStruck64]

This is such an interesting subject. I've have always believed that intelligent civilizations have been around alot longer than history will allow.


and it follows this line in that it had purportedly claimed that there were 2 (two) ADVANCED CIVILIZATIONS EVEN before the time of "The Roman Empire"

Yes, this is interesting and with the artifacts that have been discovered it is clear that there was possibly more than just the man like apes that could only make very basic tools and could only grunt. They really didn't have the intelligence to create what has been discovered, like eg, the hammer made out of metal! :eek:

[lazserus]

VR, you got a link to the article you found that? I have a hard time accepting that a metal tool was being used 100 million years ago. That would insinuate advanced technology millions of years prior to what's conjectured. We've found so much evidence saying that we were still using stone tools 100 thousand years ago.

[VegasRonin]

Hey Laz, your wish is my command (To a certain extent). :lol:
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/giants.htm

Don't pay much attention to the Bible Thumpin portions.:p

[DontBeAfraid]

You got a reputable source?

[VegasRonin]

http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/hammer/hammer.htm

http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/megaraptor/forbidden_archaeology.htm

Most Scientific of them all (http://home.texoma.net/~linesden/cem/hamr/hamrfs.htm)
More online resources for the hammer.

[DontBeAfraid]

I was jumped on once for quoting atheist sites.....

I dont see how a million year old hammer might help prove creation but the fact remains that even your "most scientific" source was from the 'Creation Evidences Museum'website.

So got any reputable sources?

[VegasRonin]

I never jumped on anyone for using information from an Atheist or Religious site. Info is info, and as mentioned above, most "Real" scientist don't want to hear anything about a million(s) year old hammer. You guys have seacrh engines just like me. Check it out and see if you can dig up anything about the ole' hammer. Maybe its Thor's. :crazy:

[AngelTV]

I have heard of nuts and bolts being found in 100000yr old rocks. So either there was ancient civilizations or our carbon dating is not perfect and we have yet to discover the accelerated aging process of this. I think we would be foolish to think recorded history is what we have in our archives. Never seen a book that could last 10,000 yrs let alone a million. Even if ancient ancestor carved on rock, that would only last a fraction of earth's history.

[Smersh]

I have to agree with Laz on this. If this were true and this hammer really is 75 million or so years old and is of human origin, that would predate present scientific belief in human origins by some 70 million years. It would also mean that Fred Flintstone and his stone-age (stone-age? This is a metal object) peers may indeed have existed alongside the dinosaurs.

I'm afraid that unless some sources about this can be found on a reliable scientific web site, such as a .edu, this has to be a fake. I very much doubt it though, because it would have been all over the news.

Also, why would people in the know wish to cover up such a sensational scientific discovery? I mean, what would be the point?

Sounds a bit like Piltdown Man to me (which is possibly the greatest scientific hoax of all time.)

[dutchie]

If it's true it might explain the missing link is still, er missing...

I can't believe the wood in the hammer is still OK after millions of years, though... in the :trash: with it!!

[VegasRonin]

I can't believe the wood in the hammer is still OK after millions of years,
Remember, most of the hammer (Wooden handle included) was completely encased in rock. The history of science is full of persecution for those scientist that believed something that wasn't accepted by their peers. Galileo was ridiculed by his peers and the church. The name escapes me but the guy who first brought news about the Gorilla was mocked as well. Here in America we have a mysterious fortress on our East Coast with Phoenician writing all over it, as well as phoenician artifacts and coins in the area. Here in Nevada you can find Non-Volcanic glass in our desert. We all know how glass is formed, right? Change in existing paradigms comes slowly so I'll wait patiently for the rest of you to catch up. Singularly some of these things can be explained but take all the information and clues together and a bigger picture begins to form. Oh yeah, anyone who compares me to Prez will get it right in the jaw! :Boxer:

[Smersh]

Remember, most of the hammer (Wooden handle included) was completely encased in rock.

Surely the handle would have become fossilised then wouldn't it?


The name escapes me but the guy who first brought news about the Gorilla was mocked as well.

Don't think he would have have been though if the internet had been available at the time ... :lol:

Sorry Prez, er, Vegas, don't think this hammer story is very convincing.
:ohmy:

[lazserus]

Here in America we have a mysterious fortress on our East Coast with Phoenician writing all over it, as well as phoenician artifacts and coins in the area.
So. That's like saying the Phonecians didn't have boats.

[dutchie]

Those Phoenicians were rather like asocial tourists, scattering their garbage all over the place...

VR, I thought Prez was your alter ego, that you simply registered under a different name the second time...:devsmo:

(just kidding :evbat: )

BTW, Yes, wood would have been totally petrified in a million years. Wood can only petrify under ideal conditions, otherwise it'll just rot away.

[lazserus]

Well, creationists' argue big against the accuracy of carbon-14 dating, unless it supports their opinions. carbon dating can only give an accurate reading in objects up to 60,000 years old. Which means that this hammer more or less isn't as old as these people are saying it is. Plus, most scientists use more than one method of dating - I see no source of that. Keep your pants on, VR - you're not looking at a 100 million yr old hammer.

[prezhorusin04]

WHile i haven't yet read the Forbidden Archeology book, i have seen a couple documentaries on "secret artifacts" where the author was a guest..I've heard about this hammer before, as well as human footprints beside dinosaur prints..There is also a story of Buckshot in a buffalo head from a million years ago and some other cases..
The thing that i found most strange about the documentaries is that, even though they were on ancient human artifacts, the underlying theme of the programs was to say that evolution wasn't true..That Darwin was wrong and that man was older then we thougt..Another theme of these shows was that of Alien seeding of the planet!-Like i don't understand why Anti-evolution and UFO's have to go hand in hand with "lost" artifacts..i don't know if the Forbidden Archology book is like that VEGAS, just everything IVE seen that's connected to the topics seems to make the implications of Aliens interbreeding with man at some point...

My personal view is opposed to most if not ALL the stories i've heard that places "Modern-type" man at millions of years back..Science and archological discoveries place man emerging in its earliest tool building state at 100-150thousand years ago.
i'm open to the possibilities, but that's still a long time!

i don't blame you though, i'd like to find THOR's hammer too!!!
:chop:

[lazserus]

as well as human footprints beside dinosaur prints
That was a fraud. When the impressions were found YEC went around claiming they were large human prints along side dinosaur prints. Upon closer inspection, the "human" prints were confirmed to be actual dinosaur prints. I know of no humans that have three clawed toes. ;)

[Susie]

I'm sorry to piss on your parade guys, but that hammer really isn't 100 million years old. Without having a really good look at that rock I can't be definite, but it looks like a deposit that can form in a relatively short period of time (like 10s of years) where there is running water. Water runs over the rocks, which according to the first post in the thread are Cretaceous, and carries eroded sediment from those rocks with it. The sediment is deposited, and due to some geochemical reason that i don't know, cementation takes place very quickly. I saw similar deposits at Lulworth Cove in Dorset recently with bits of fishing line sticking out of them, and in Greece you can see them with coke cans sticking out. This is just geology in motion!

[lazserus]

Ah, our savior. I'm willing to bet the hammer is only about 40 years old. ;)

[Bigsky770]

The unusual composition of the metal;
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96% iron, 2.6% chlorine and 0.74% sulfur (no carbon).
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or the technics used to cast this. . .
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Density tests indicate casting exceptional quality.
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Where would a "hammer" like this have originated from?

Joe (Bigsky770)

[Smersh]

Ah, our savior

Indeed. ;) Welcome to the new board Suzie :)


I'm willing to bet the hammer is only about 40 years old

I wouldn't be surprised if the guys who took the picture only bought the hammer an hour earlier in their local B and Q

Suzie, I think I've seen stuff like you describe too when I've walked along beaches. Guess Laz was pretty close then at about 40 years.

[Bigsky770]

Please tell me you did not handle that- -(don't mean to raise a red flag here) but it could possibly still be highly radioactive.
I did not read some of the entire posts that came up, only caught this now, if you have any available, check it with a "geiger counter" and/or dispose of it in a safe manner.
This kind of glass has been found @ places like Nevada test ranges that were used to test "Atomic bombs", it occurs when the sand is exposed to extremely high temperatures like that which occurs during the tests, and "fuses'' the sand together into a "greenish" glass.

Joe (Bigsky770)

[dutchie]

NO SHIIT!!!! Geez, is that true, Joe? How on earth do you know that?

[Bigsky770]

That I'd read (and also) movies that I had seen concerning the "atomic tests" that were conducted throughout the 1950's (and into) the early 1960's in different locations, some of these tests occurred @ sites in the Nevada and New Mexico deserts.
A good movie that I would highly recommend to anyone to see,
I think it's called "The Atomic Bomb Movie". I had seen this movie a coupla years ago, it's pretty good for showing the "effects" upon the environment in the areas where these tests had been conducted.

Joe (Bigsky770)

[lazserus]

Good point, Joe. I can't believe I hadn't thought of that. I totally forgot about alot of the nuclear testing in Nevada and New Mexico.

[VegasRonin]

Don't worry people, Vegas doesn't store nuked glass or any other strange artifacts. :lol: The glass I'm referring to is the minute traces found in deserts across the globe that aren't part of atomic testing areas. At the test site here in NV. you can go on a tour and actually see large patches of glass on the desert floor, its not green though. :lol:

[VegasRonin]

I can concede that the hammer is probably not that old but its still very unique in its make-up. There's still a lot of evidence out there that makes me believe we're a helluva lot older, as a race, than what's being taught to us.

[Susie]

Is there really any evidence? Is there anything that's provable? Bring me fossils and i'll believe you.... until then... i just don't buy it.

[VegasRonin]

Ya don't have ta buy it cause I'm not sellin! :rollin:

[Bigsky770]

As yet, there is yet still "unexplained". . .
The unusual composition of the metal;
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96% iron, 2.6% chlorine and 0.74% sulfur (no carbon).
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or the technics used to cast this. . .
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Density tests indicate casting exceptional quality.
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Where would a "hammer" like this have originated from?

- - I'm asking this again because as yet no-one has attempted to answer this one. I'm not even sure (at least I do not think) that it is possible to produce a tool made from an alloy with this composition [no carbon?] anyone know?

Joe (Bigsky770)

[dutchie]

screwfix.com ???

[jjserio]

We tend to forget what a mystery is. A mystery is something unusual. In other words, it doesn’t fit into our current realm of thought. People who believe they are highly intelligent sometimes like to jump to conclusions & assume things based on their knowledge. They will do so to conform a mystery to their realm. There will always be individuals that misuse their knowledge in this way.

Those who feel their education makes them capable of determining absolute fact, should be reminded that although they are indeed more enlightened & have better references than that of a novice, to be more inclined to find a suitable hypothesis for such mysteries, does not mean that they can make fact of anything based on other references of knowledge. To best determine anything about anything one must not be influenced. Using their knowledge as guides but not sole principals. By doing so you can badly misinterpret things. History has told us that infinitely. Even used as a guide one can be lead far off the correct path. Guides like religious belief systems deeply blind even the most scientific student. The religious student will lend their facts to their systems & stubbornly reject those that reject its system. In addition he’ll knowingly or unknowingly add changes to make it fit. Results contaminate its entire knowledge base.

[mickydoolittle]

blah blah blah.

Lets have an open mind about everything and anything, in fact--let's be so open minded that common sense takes a back seat to ignorance.

Yeah--that's what allowed progress to make the leaps and bounds as of the last 100 yrs.

:ohmy:

[Defiant Noquisi]

Posted in stunning yellow which I cannot read in the style I use. Mahvelous! :lol:

[jjserio]

mickydoolittle..

Was that not the point i was making????

[Doomer]

You got a reputable source?

LOL, :D :D :D

[MacRasta]

Lets have an open mind about everything and anything, in fact--let's be so open minded that common sense takes a back seat to ignorance.

:rolling: :rolling: Djeezes Micky, why didn't I came up with that...

MacFoldedInHalf

[MacRasta]

:Llol: :bncry:

MacStilFoldedInHalf

[jjserio]

Depending on the lithology of a formation, its easy to grab a chunk of sedimentary marl and embed fossils to form a seemingly natural matrix. This is something thats done pretty regularly, you can even make molds by impressing mollusc shells or whatever. Just allow a little time to cure and you can create some really cool stuff. I doubt this hammer has been scientifically scrutinized by actual geologists, but its my opinion they would come to this conclusion. Whether this was done on purpose or not, this is the explaination creationists dont want us to know.

[VegasRonin]

http://www.radiocarbon.com/

[Smoke]

look like vegas beat you to it uki :)