Mods post to much in the main forum

[Justice]

Some threads have more posts from Mods than members and i beleive this effects how they moderate a forum once they become involved in a discussion as mods are human afterall.

Posting as mod is still better than have 2 accounts but not only does that site look like it's over ran with mods but compared to a very simular site i would say it's over moderated on some ocasions

[equalizer]

Some threads have more posts from Mods than members

Some threads? Try most of them. I have come to the conclusion that by making half the members mods the admins are trying to insure at least a moderate level of activity in the forums. :humpin:

[medicvet]

So who cares, really? I mean, how important is it really in the scheme of things. I don't find them posting just to post, and am interested in what everyone who comes here has to say, mod or whatever. yeesh.

[Smoke]

really medic?

click on this link here and be amazed, its almost ALL mods all posting for the hell of it

http://armageddononline.org/forums/showthread.php?t=12225

[Sammy56]

Some threads have more posts from Mods than members and i beleive this effects how they moderate a forum once they become involved in a discussion as mods are human afterall.I disagree. When you become a mod, you don't give up your right to post. Yes, mods are human. But for the most part, they are pretty good at keeping their posting and moderating separate. I have the right to post my opinion in a thread, just as every other member has to right to their opinion, as long as it's within the rules. But just because I post in a thread doesn't mean my objectivity is lost. I have punished both people I disagree with and people I agree with when they step over the line. And, in many cases, moderators consult with each other before punishing a member, which makes it less likely that the decision will be subjective.


click on this link here and be amazed, its almost ALL mods all posting for the hell of itI've said this before. Mods don't lose their sense of humor when they take on the job. They want to have some fun too. There are a lot of mods in that thread because the thread is about a new topic mod. Off Topic basically is "posting for the hell of it" and mods want to have some fun and joke around occasionally too.

If anyone ever feels that a mod has been subjective in their decision and the punishment was in the wrong, contact another mod to review the case.

[Justice]

Maybe mods that contribute to a thread should not then have the rights to moderate as it's not always so easy to remain objective about a subject that you are interested in.

Could have it writen into the forum rules so everyone is aware of it.

[Sammy56]

Maybe mods that contribute to a thread should not then have the rights to moderate as it's not always so easy to remain objective about a subject that you are interested in.But, as I stated above, there is not a problem with mod objectivity in threads they are actively involved in. If there was, I could see your point. You're right in that it's not always easy, especially when emotions get heated. But all the mods on this forum know the difference between someone disagreeing with them and someone breaking the rules and are very good at being objective, even in the most heated threads they are personally involved in. I'm sorry, but unless you can prove me otherwise, your proposal of a rule change doesn't make sense.

[medicvet]

I have not seen one instance in which a mod has abused their modgodhood, so can't understand the ruckus, but that's just me. Maybe I have blinders on; who knows.

I would like the idea of another mod being the one to mod if a mod is posting in a thread, except that I can see how that would quickly snowball into something in which mods aren't able to post freely like the rest of us, and that wouldn't be fair. If there are complaints about non impartiality I could see it, but I personally haven't seen it, so don't see a reason for that suggestion. I think it would create more problems than it would solve, but that's just me.

And I happen to think as has been stated on this thread that being a mod doesn't mean you give up your sense of humor or ability to make chitchat in the proper forum area for it, in offtopic, or in the 'laid back' type threads.

[Stabby Joe]

Maybe mods that contribute to a thread should not then have the rights to moderate as it's not always so easy to remain objective about a subject that you are interested in.

Actually the reason I do the Disaster forum is because I'm most active on it and unlike the ethics and religion, its mostly news and so I go on there to read some news, alot of the time unheard of.

Why does that area need a mod? Mostly to move threads, merge posts... basically to help organisation and direction and it might aswell be done by someone who goes there plenty, some people go on certain topics than others.

Whats wrong with that?

[Fut004]

If you limit where or how frequently Mods can post, who will want to be a Mod?

This is such a non-issue anyhow.
Link to some threads where a Mod's involvement in a thread has caused a problem.

[nrj]

Some threads have more posts from Mods than members and i beleive this effects how they moderate a forum once they become involved in a discussion as mods are human afterall. That's like saying cops shouldn't love their country, because they're human and will propably be subjective. We mods started as serious posters, and we hung out here for a simple reason: it's a good place to debate in. It's my favourite place to be, and it has remained so throughout my modding career too.

And that's why we moderators are here. We love this forum, and we wouldn't want anything bad happening to it. We follow the forum rules, and believe me, laz is not looking through his fingers if a mod is breaking the rules. Have you ever witnessed us breaking the rules, and in that case, seen a pattern between our interest in the topic? No?

I won't dance around this, because I'm sick of that: you're angry because Sammy gave you a warning when you linked to a pornography site in a debate about homosexuals. Not only is it ignorant and intolerant to compare homosexual relationships with pornography, but it is also against our forum rules. So is posting, or linking to, pornographic material. You clearly violated two of our forum rules, and they're not hidden information or anything. There is no excuse at all to ignore the rules, especially if you know what you're doing. This has nothing to do about Sammy's interest in philosophy and ethics, and everyone on these boards knows that.


Maybe mods that contribute to a thread should not then have the rights to moderate as it's not always so easy to remain objective about a subject that you are interested in.

Could have it writen into the forum rules so everyone is aware of it. If that would be the case, we would have to change moderators all the time, because if they stand moderating something they initially didn't like 2 months ago, who's to say they haven't got interested? Your system lacks a clear definition of when someone is overengaged in a subject, plus you have no hard evidence that moderators let their personal opinions and emotions affect their moderation to an extenct that something needs to be done.

[equalizer]

So who cares, really? I mean, how important is it really in the scheme of things.

That remains to be seen. :humpin:



If anyone ever feels that a mod has been subjective in their decision and the punishment was in the wrong, contact another mod to review the case.

Been there done that. Its like trying to turn in a bad cop they all stick together. :sick:

[icecold]

hi. i know i am new to this place, but have seen some terrible forums where its just constant name calling and arguments, i have been watching this site for some time and its vary calm. You have only one moderator that i see, is that a lot? and cant he post if he is a moderator?

[Stabby Joe]

Been there done that. Its like trying to turn in a bad cop they all stick together. :sick:

Like when...?


hi. i know i am new to this place, but have seen some terrible forums where its just constant name calling and arguments, i have been watching this site for some time and its vary calm. You have only one moderator that i see, is that a lot? and cant he post if he is a moderator?

Well theres topic moderators, although the are limited to certain areas of the forum.

[Sammy56]

You have only one moderator that i see, is that a lot? and cant he post if he is a moderator?We have four global mods and three administrators (although only one of those administrators visits the site regularly). We also have 5 Topic mods. The topics mods only have power in one forum and they don't have all the powers the global mods have.

[Cartesiantheater]

This entire concept is retarded. Duchie made a very good point in our last epic of AO disaster- the forums that succeed are the ones in which the mods are ACTIVE IN POSTING. To DIRECT the content by force of presence and good will rather than an Iron Hand of Power is definitely better.

Besides, the mods tend to be among the coolest people here anyway, if you count topic mods, that is (like myself... :D )

Listen closly... all you have to do to avoid getting "modded" against is to... wait for it...



FOLLOW THE GODDAMNED RULES!


seriously, it isn't all that complicated...

- this goes for both sides, obviously. Mods should not be acting in ways that are contrary to the rules, including dispensing "justice" that is grossly outside of a reasonable interpretation of the rules.

[Sammy56]

Besides, the mods tend to be among the coolest people here anyway, if you count topic mods, that is (like myself... )You just think you're cool. In reality, everyone talks about you behind your back and makes fun of your avatar. :D

Seriously though, CT is right. Mods who participate and get to know the members do a better job. While it can be hard, we are pretty good at remaining objective and being fair.

[Perfectionist]

If you limit where or how frequently Mods can post, who will want to be a Mod?I think you have stumbled on a frikkin good idea !! :cool03:


This is such a non-issue anyhow.
Link to some threads where a Mod's involvement in a thread has caused a problem.True ..... the only good Mod is a Posting Mod (as hopefully this will distract them from actually doing any Moderating) !! :D

[Justice]

But, as I stated above, there is not a problem with mod objectivity in threads they are actively involved in. If there was, I could see your point. You're right in that it's not always easy, especially when emotions get heated. But all the mods on this forum know the difference between someone disagreeing with them and someone breaking the rules and are very good at being objective, even in the most heated threads they are personally involved in. I'm sorry, but unless you can prove me otherwise, your proposal of a rule change doesn't make sense.

Would you say action needs to be taken here after i've already reported DBA to the mods.


The only reason you could possibly be confused into thinking that there are gay converts is because its a possibility for you... Those of us who know that there is no way that a person could ever be "converted" se you for what yo uare Justice, a racist bisexual. As soon as you get over that your life might improve.

I can not say it nice but since he has continued then i take it that posts like this are perfectly exceptable or mods that post in a thread can indeed be proved to be bias.

[DontBeAfraid]

Im not insulting you Justice... Simply helping you to understand that there are no converts. Posts in which I prove my point are more than acceptable, despite the fact that you dont like being proven wrong.

[Perfectionist]

I don't usually agree with good ol' DBA ..... but that last paragraph describes you perfectly Justy !! :D (have you seen American Beauty ?! ::p:)

[Sammy56]

Would you say action needs to be taken here after i've already reported DBA to the mods.And I told you I would look over it. And I did. I'm sorry, but he didn't break any rules. He just disagrees with you and he's blunt about it. I can't mod him for that.

[Cartesiantheater]

Would you say action needs to be taken here after i've already reported DBA to the mods.

There was another poster who directly called you a name. DBA insulted you in a way that I would not consider to be a violation of that rule, as what he calls you isn't an insult in and of itself (bisexual) because of the manner given [using you're posting of a pornographic site and the fear that straight people will convert to gays as implying that YOU'RE afraid you'll convert] - it is of a different category than "you're a fucktwat" for example.




I can not say it nice but since he has continued then i take it that posts like this are perfectly exceptable or mods that post in a thread can indeed be proved to be bias.

There was another poster who BLATANTLY insulted you, and you did not report him. Why?

The rule says this


#


# Refrain from blatant name calling, insults or the likes. Some discussions get a bit emotional and heated. Respond to posts maturely and intelligently, straying away from relying on childish insults. Antagonizing members and provocation is permitted as long as it is on an intelligent wavelength. Do not provoke members just to get a rise out of them.

It seems that BLATANT name calling and insults are prohibited. But I do not see that DBA is blatantly insulting you- he probably really thinks that you are afraid that you might be converted to being gay, and that is why he believes you are so strongly opposed to gays.

When he starts saying "you're a fag dipshit asshopper" then he is breaking the rule- as I see it.

[TC]

Would you say action needs to be taken here after i've already reported DBA to the mods.



I can not say it nice but since he has continued then i take it that posts like this are perfectly exceptable or mods that post in a thread can indeed be proved to be bias.



Well if we post..then its over moderation to some... and if we don't post.. then its seen as lack of action or bias. ( and SR pours some scotch)s

[iulian28ti]

i don't understand what is wrong with mods posting too much. it's the same as members posting too much.

[Stabby Joe]

Well if we post..then its over moderation to some... and if we don't post.. then its seen as lack of action or bias. ( and SR pours some scotch)s

Well the thing is I personally haven't posted in a moderation manner, I'm just posting.

Haven't read much of all of the other topics but are people doing it in those? If not I'm suprised people are complaining about over modding.

[Justice]

DBA says


LOL.... The only reason you could possibly be confused into thinking that there are gay converts is because its a possibility for you... Those of us who know that there is no way that a person could ever be "converted" se you for what yo uare Justice, a racist bisexual. As soon as you get over that your life might improve.

and Cartesiantheater says


DBA isn't breaking the rule of blatant name-calling. Bisexual is not a curse word or an insult, not in the same sense that the word "stupid" is. Being aggravating is permitted according to the rules. Blatant name calling is not. DBA is doing the former, not the latter...

Either that or, again, he really believes what he was saying, in which case he is just being honest.

A forum with nazi mods is not a forum I want to be a part of. Luckily, the rules permit a reasonable amount of that sort of thing. At least that's how I read them.

His argument is only insulting if you think bisexuality is insulting. This disposition is your fault, not his. That would be like thinking that being called white or black is insulting. His reasoning isn't that far off anyway. IF there is no way a straight man can be converted to gay, than the straight man has nothing to fear. He then reasons that you must fear the potential to convert to gayness.

Is this true mod

Please let me know as i tired of fighting with one hand tied behind my back and i would like to anwer this question with both hands free thank you.

On the point of nazi mods well it's goes both ways and you can also get facist left-wing mods that are upset by anything that is not PC and i think this type of moderating must be viewed with the same contempt as nazi mods, would you not agree.

Stabby Joe


Well the thing is I personally haven't posted in a moderation manner, I'm just posting.

Well it's good you let us know as i got a warning from a mod who was posting in the same thread so please let me know how to tell when you are in mod mode and when you are not.

[Stabby Joe]

[B][COLOR="Red"]Well it's good you let us know as i got a warning from a mod who was posting in the same thread so please let me know how to tell when you are in mod mode and when you are not.

I only and can only moderate the Disasters forum and I have never reported anyone to a mod since becoming a member.

[DontBeAfraid]

Well it's good you let us know as i got a warning from a mod who was posting in the same thread so please let me know how to tell when you are in mod mode and when you are not.Im no mod... but it seems that if you get a warning then they are in mod mode and if you dont then they are not.... Now what determines if they go into mod mode is if you post in such a manner that requires them to do so.

[TC]

Is this true mod

Please let me know as i tired of fighting with one hand tied behind my back and i would like to anwer this question with both hands free thank you.

On the point of nazi mods well it's goes both ways and you can also get facist left-wing mods that are upset by anything that is not PC and i think this type of moderating must be viewed with the same contempt as nazi mods, would you not agree.

Stabby Joe



Well it's good you let us know as i got a warning from a mod who was posting in the same thread so please let me know how to tell when you are in mod mode and when you are not.

Mind if I ask who warned you,? And by all means ...please let us know who you consider..what was it? right....." left wing facist" ...( nice spelling )

[Justice]

Im no mod... but it seems that if you get a warning then they are in mod mode and if you dont then they are not.... Now what determines if they go into mod mode is if you post in such a manner that requires them to do so.

Which in your case is never (see above) and reporting me for providing a relevant link that showed gays wanted to covert stright men was below the belt given the topic but non the less the mod was compeled to isue a warning.

Maybe you would like to let me know how you knew i got a ban in the other gay thread.

shortround

Yes sammy56 and she also posted in the thread

[Stabby Joe]

Which in your case is never (see above) and reporting me for providing a relevant link that showed gays wanted to covert stright men was below the belt given the topic but non the less the mod was compeled to isue a warning.

Maybe you would like to let me know how you knew i got a ban in the other gay thread.

I never saw it, but I heard you posted link to a pornography website?

[Sammy56]

Mind if I ask who warned you,?I did. He posted a link to a pornographic website, but since the link did not take you directly to pornographic images and just a disclaimer page, I gave him a warning. But, Justice does not seem to think this was fair because I was actively involved in the debate in the same thread where he post that link (which is the Gay thread).

I'm sorry Justice, but you broke the rules. You are not allowed to link to those kinds of site. I could have given you an infraction, but after discussing it with shortround I gave you a warning and wrote you a PM explaining why. You seemed fine with at the time and agreed that you shouldn't have posted the link, so I really don't get why you are so upset about it now.

I did not give you that warning because I disagree with you about homosexuals. I gave it to you because you violated rule #4.

[TC]

so please let me know how to tell when you are in mod mode and when you are not.


..... forgot to mention I was in Mod mod with the last post ( damn this cigar smoke gets in my eyes...)

[DontBeAfraid]

Maybe you would like to let me know how you knew i got a ban in the other gay thread.lol, simple deduction.
1. You post blatant racist hate messege.
2. You are all of the sudden banned.

I might have been mistaken.... in bizarro world.



Which in your case is never (see above) and reporting me for providing a relevant link that showed gays wanted to covert stright men was below the belt given the topiclol... porn sites are what yo uconsider reliable news sources?

Your opposition posts link after link after link to actual scientific studies proving you wrong on every aspect of your argument and you link to the gay porn sites you surf... You are insanely amusing.

[Justice]

I never saw it, but I heard you posted link to a pornography website?
Given the topic and i was asked to prove gays were out for converts i beleived the link was approprate under the cercustances.

[Sammy56]

Given the topic and i was asked to prove gays were out for converts i beleived the link was approprate under the cercustances.No, it wasn't. You can use any source you want as long as it doesn't violate the rules. We cannot make special exceptions because a member think it was "appropriate under the circumstances". One this forum, pornographic sites are NEVER acceptable, even if they are being used to try and prove a point.

[Stabby Joe]

Plus how is porn a better source than news, surveys, public polls, social and medical studies, scientific letures etc etc? Porn is porn... there are different kinds on different levels. The point of online porn seems to be visable access to the rather abnormal and such content as said is not allowed here.

[Justice]

Plus how is porn a better source than news, surveys, public polls, social and medical studies, scientific letures etc etc?

Will anwer you on the other thread as the two have become mixed up

Regards

[medicvet]

I can not say it nice but since he has continued then i take it that posts like this are perfectly exceptable or mods that post in a thread can indeed be proved to be bias.

If stuff like that is going to be moderated it will stifle free speech. There is a line, and imho it wasn't even close to crossed.

[Assassin X]

1. Most topics have mods posting because if you are a mod you probably post often enough and yadda yadda.

2. I know I personally have to "be careful" if I notice a few mods posting in topics because you always feel nervous never knowing what mod might think what of whos comments. Although if I have any comments I think are uncalled for I keep them to myself. I'm a nice guy but no need for me to post something that isn't needed.

I do think maybe mods shouldn't post in topics that they might be to "attached" to. Like lets someone was raped as a child. They shouldn't post in a topic about rape because they might not like certain comments and take it out in various ways like rep, deletions...etc. You'd be surprised how many people mix feelings with their job. When I was a mod at a forum my friend who was also a mod used his powers on anyone that had anything against video game violence. I turned him in. :hope hes not seeing this: :confused:

[DontBeAfraid]

Guys.... you dont seem to be aware of this but mods dont act unilaterally and the more "attached" they are t oa subject the more likely they are to hand the issue over to a different mod in an attempt to be as objective as possible.

[MetalMilitia]

Am I the black sheep? lol

I may as well change my title to party crasher.

[Justice]

Can any mods here remember a time where i got a warning before all this gay stuff started ? didn't think so and it was not myself that started the now first closed gay thread (http://forums.armageddononline.org/showthread.php?t=7758)

All in a few weeks i get a ban, warnings and in one thread i started on the subject, the second post in the thread by a mod is a warning (http://forums.armageddononline.org/showthread.php?t=12339).

Cartesiantheater Says (http://forums.armageddononline.org/showthread.php?t=12339&page=2)


DBA isn't breaking the rule of blatant name-calling. Bisexual is not a curse word or an insult, not in the same sense that the word "stupid" is. Being aggravating is permitted according to the rules. Blatant name calling is not. DBA is doing the former, not the latter...

Either that or, again, he really believes what he was saying, in which case he is just being honest.

may i remind you that Cartesiantheater is a mod that also posted in the thread so if what he says is true then my reply is.

Cartesiantheater you are full of $hit as l'm sure it's true that you use the tolet and because pedeofile is not a curse and since you jumped in the gay thread when i said that this kiddey fiddling will be next to be made legal and your interest in the Incestuous Pedophilia as Healthy Sex Education thread (http://forums.armageddononline.org/showthread.php?t=12075) it's fine for me to call you a pedofile and to be 'honest' i 'beleive' you have police convictions for TDA and SDB so it's OK for myself to point this out to other members.

Your rules Cartesiantheater, not mine.

You are so boring and work like a parot for the BBC so i would never had beleived anyone would make you a mod.


Guys.... you dont seem to be aware of this but mods dont act unilaterally and the more "attached" they are t oa subject the more likely they are to hand the issue over to a different mod in an attempt to be as objective as possible.

You would love the mods when you are allowed to continuie name calling and never get pulled up for it


LOL.... The only reason you could possibly be confused into thinking that there are gay converts is because its a possibility for you... Those of us who know that there is no way that a person could ever be "converted" se you for what yo uare Justice, a racist bisexual. As soon as you get over that your life might improve.


You seriously think yo ucan be turned gay.... Omg you are funny. Seriously guy, it is genetic and if you can be talked into being gay then you ARE gay. No slag, just truth. There are NO CONVERTS you are what yo uare. Funny that you surf gay pornographic websites.... Not funny that you link to them, I have reported you.

Many more can be found in your posts

and in the Nazi Moderation thread we get


Im reporting that double post too....

With all these reportings you are looking like a teachers snitch

I am still waiting for your answer as to how you knew i got a ban and stop coming the i guessed it crap as we can all guess

You hijacked the Religion is under attack thead and got it closed (http://forums.armageddononline.org/showthread.php?t=11829)
and whillst on the subject i've spotted a certain pattern to your posts and you always seem to post at the same time as your alto-ego but maybe it's just a conspriacy but hopefully other members will also notice the same pattern if it continues.

Mods

Last night about six of you along with DBA were all posting in the gay thread at the same time and non were on my side as to say but thats no reason for bias moderating.

i have no problom with a permanat ban and feel free as indeed you are to delete my posts or complete threads such as this one but don't think your conduct has not been noted by other members.

many of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

[DontBeAfraid]

You hijacked the Religion is under attack thead and got it closed
and whillst on the subject i've spotted a certain pattern to your posts and you always seem to post at the same time as your alto-ego but maybe it's just a conspriacy but hopefully other members will also notice the same pattern if it continues.Do go on.


I am still waiting for your answer as to how you knew i got a ban and stop coming the i guessed it crap as we can all guessI noticed you were exiled and I looked through your previous posts.... It was quite clear which posts caused it. And while both you and I can "guess" at things, my guesses are educated.


Many more can be found in your postsMany more what can be found in my posts? Many more words? What are you getting at?


Cartesiantheater you are full of $hit as l'm sure it's true that you use the tolet and because pedeofile is not a curse and since you jumped in the gay thread when i said that this kiddey fiddling will be next to be made legal and your interest in the Incestuous Pedophilia as Healthy Sex Education thread it's fine for me to call you a pedofile and to be 'honest' i 'beleive' you have police convictions for TDA and SDB so it's OK for myself to point this out to other members.

Your rules Cartesiantheater, not mine.This is quite amusing. Again you show that you equate homosexuals to pedophiles as is evidenced by your interpreting my observation that yo uare bisexual as an insult on the same level as calling CT a pedophile. Despite the fact that one behavior is harmful and the other harmless and despite the fact that most real pedophiles are straight, as has been pointed out to you numerous times, you still equate homosexuals to pedophiiles. Well, its not so much amusing as it is sad.


All in a few weeks i get a ban, warnings and in one thread i started on the subject, the second post in the thread by a mod is a warning.Actually the second post was a total rebuttle of your first post with a little warning not to repeat your last infraction earning performance.


With all these reportings you are looking like a teachers snitchYou did see who double posted right? Surely you understand that warning the webmaster that Im going to report him is ..... forget it, my humor is lost on you.


Last night about six of you along with DBA were all posting in the gay thread at the same time and non were on my side as to say but thats no reason for bias moderating.Im honored to get the actual mention here, thank you.

Oh and please before you go(this is your drama queen exit right?) do tell me who you think my alter ego is.
edit: ooh, I hope its not cherisa, I dont need my alter ego thinking Im a girl....

[loganosborne]

Can any mods here remember a time where i got a warning before all this gay stuff started ?
I don't know, but what has that got to do with anything?

All in a few weeks i get a ban, warnings and in one thread i started on the subject, the second post in the thread by a mod is a warning.
That warning wasn't just for you, it was for all members.

Many more can be found in your posts
Many more of what can be found in DBA's posts? Neither of those posts you gave as examples are against the rules in my opinion as he's insulting you based
on your ideas and in the rules it says.

Antagonizing members and provocation is permitted as long as it is on an intelligent wavelength.
And from what I can see all of DBA's posts are on a intelligent wavelength as he insulting you based on your ideas and from my understanding of the rules that is allowed.

Mods

Last night about six of you along with DBA were all posting in the gay thread at the same time and non were on my side as to say but thats no reason for bias moderating.
Would you like to point out where in the thread there has been bias moderating? Because I can't see any.

[Cherisa]

Oh and please before you go(this is your drama queen exit right?) do tell me who you think my alter ego is.
edit: ooh, I hope its not cherisa, I dont need my alter ego thinking Im a girl....

Your alter ego, moi? LOL has there been some confusion as to your gender?.....

[Justice]

Would you like to point out where in the thread there has been bias moderating? Because I can't see any.

Thats because you are not looking.

DBA can call me what he likes and thats OK and i can say nothing as it's all borders on hate speach apparantly and so posters get cart blonch from the mods to say anything and you think thats a open debate about gays.

No warnings for a year and a half and then loads plus a ban and you ask whats that got to do with anything. i think it has everything to do with it and show how bias the mods have been on this subject.


This is quite amusing. Again you show that you equate homosexuals to pedophiles as is evidenced by your interpreting my observation that yo uare bisexual as an insult on the same level as calling CT a pedophile.

CT was played by his own rules that he set down in an efort to protect you and if you think calling your averge guy a bisexual is not offencive then try it in your average bar and see what you get.

[ApocalypticEnvoy]

Mods should be incognito. Assign them names like Mod 1 or Mod 2. That way everybody would have to guess who the twenty or so mods are.

[TC]

Mods should be incognito. Assign them names like Mod 1 or Mod 2. That way everybody would have to guess who the twenty or so mods are.

No where near 20..lol but OK it looks that way sometimes. The majority are 6 topic mods who don't have the ability to ban. and you have two global mods, Sammy and NRJ.

[DontBeAfraid]

CT was played by his own rules that he set down in an efort to protect you and if you think calling your averge guy a bisexual is not offencive then try it in your average bar and see what you get.Justice Im not insulting you when I state that you are bisexual. The fact that you think its a choice and the fact that you surf gay porn sites are clear indicators that you are bisexual. If yo uwere straight, you would not have any trouble understanding that its really not your choice; the same goes for if you were gay. But since YOU can choose what you want to be you are neither straight nor gay, but bisexual. What makes my statement that you are bisexual different than your statement that CT is a pedophile is that your intention is only to blatantly insult CT as there is no context in which calling a person a pedophile can be considered nuetral. You have beaten nobody at any games as once again your posts border infraction level; but that is not my call.

edit: Im guessing that only skinhead bars cater to people who would think Im trying to offend them if I got a hunch that they were bisexual. I dont know this from experience but I do know that in regular decent bars most people just wouldnt give a damn.

double edit: Before I forget, please tell me who my alter ego is.

[Cartesiantheater]

[/URL].

Cartesiantheater Says (http://forums.armageddononline.org/showthread.php?t=12339&page=2)



may i remind you that Cartesiantheater is a mod that also posted in the thread so if what he says is true then my reply is.

Cartesiantheater you are full of $hit as l'm sure it's true that you use the tolet and because pedeofile is not a curse and since you jumped in the gay thread when i said that this kiddey fiddling will be next to be made legal and your interest in the Incestuous Pedophilia as Healthy Sex Education thread (http://forums.armageddononline.org/showthread.php?t=12075) it's fine for me to call you a pedofile and to be 'honest' i 'beleive' you have police convictions for TDA and SDB so it's OK for myself to point this out to other members.

Your rules Cartesiantheater, not mine.

Here is what CT actually said in that thread...

http://forums.armageddononline.org/showpost.php?p=172511&postcount=3

Is it really all that hard to see what my point was? Wow... what do they teach kids over there across the waters? Anything?

Ok, now that we got that out of the way, although your reasoning is sketchy, will you stfu about DBA "breaking the rules?"


You are so boring and work like a parot for the BBC so i would never had beleived anyone would make you a mod.

No you didn't! Now you've crossed the line! BORING?! Mua?

ps- since you seem to be having reading comprehension issues, I DO NOT EVER EVEN LOOK AT THE BBC (well, I HAVE once or twice, but no, I don't really follow the news. At all). Obviously you are referring to the 911 debate, the one in which the only sources I trust are PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC ONES. The fact that I understand what that means (and you do NOT) is exactly why (among many other reasons) I am the topic mod of the science forum. Go ahead a post something about crop circles, aliens, astrology, creationism, "intelligent" design or conspiracies over there. Watch what happens... it will be MOVED... which is EXACTLY what any good SCIENCE mod should do... keep the "not quite science" the hell out of the science section.


You would love the mods when you are allowed to continuie name calling and never get pulled up for it

Well, now you can no longer bitch, since you called ME a pedo. So, are we done with this childish crap? (teacher teacher, he won't leave me alone! Boo hoo hoo! :*( )

[Stabby Joe]

Is it really all that hard to see what my point was? Wow... what do they teach kids over there across the waters? Anything?

He doesn't represent people "across the waters" even slightly, so I have no idea where he's been taught.

[Justice]

He doesn't represent people "across the waters" even slightly, so I have no idea where he's been taught.

If thats so true then how come you fear what i say so much and how come i often back up what i say with links if i'm so alone.

Maybe you can do a test and drive around with 'I'm Gay' in your car window and see if i'm so alone or not.

Strange that so many mods were so interested in the thead don't you think as i understood each mod had his own section to police and if that does not show you something then i don't know what will

Cartesiantheater

OK sorry about the boring bit but the TDA and SDB still stand.

Time i was assured that the thread would not be over moderated as in only one mod would post and one would monitor and that the monitor would stick to the rules of the site and not twist the rules towards their own political agendar and i'm quite happy if the gay mod does the posting because that would be close to normal given the topic.

[Stabby Joe]

If thats so true then how come you fear what i say so much and how come i often back up what i say with links if i'm so alone.

Fear!? Are you for real? Your links have gotten you no where. I don't fear what you have to say, if I did then why would I come back just like everyone else? You seem to think that people who argue with you are afraid then then must mean most members here are and to say that reflects your idea that people are either out to get you or ARE YOU (ego).

I'm just stating that you don't represent people on the other side of the Atlantic very well. If I were to hang such a sign in my car NOTHING would happen... and do you know why? Never heard of it happening in my area... come to think of it, region or even country.

Plus your mod conspiricy is just odd. I haven't made any reports or request or have even PMed another mod in general.

[Demonskates]

Being closed minded, and biggoted only makes you a representative of such justice.
Im straight, but I dont feel a need to be mean to gays. I mean really. Why do they seem to threaten you so much? It was you with the "God hates fags" logo wasnt it?

More on topic.....

What the hell diffrence does it make if Mods post on the forum? I do not see it changing anything within posts. People dont get that all of the moderation work was in two peoples hands. I dont see anything wrong with delegating some of that work load out. The choices for these topic mods were not at all bad choices either.

In My opinion, it is usually the members who post very little, and tend to post the most hate driven things that have a problem with moderation around here.
When in fact, this will only make the board run smoother.

[Cherisa]

double edit: Before I forget, please tell me who my alter ego is.

It's me! It's me! if you were lucky....:cool03:

[Cartesiantheater]

OK sorry about the boring bit

Thanks. That makes me feel a lot better.


but the TDA and SDB still stand.

Well, again I don't think your reasoning is very sound, but if those still stand (and btw, what the hell do those mean?) then the accusation that you're bi has to stand too :P


Time i was assured that the thread would not be over moderated as in only one mod would post and one would monitor and that the monitor would stick to the rules of the site and not twist the rules towards their own political agendar and i'm quite happy if the gay mod does the posting because that would be close to normal given the topic.

Well Justice, I didn't really notice any mod complain until you posted PORNOGRAPHY, which of course is blatantly against the rules... not to mention a weak argument considering that gay porn is completely different from the gay "agenda"- naturally, WHAT'S the motivation of the porn industry (including gay porn)? Hmmm... could it be... MONEY? So, because you posted the link, you must be trying to say that the "gay agenda" is to make money...


He doesn't represent people "across the waters" even slightly, so I have no idea where he's been taught.

I know. Sorry, just trying to say what I thought would be more grating, you know? Kind of like DBA inadvertently insulting the bisexual community?

[Justice]

Cartesiantheater

Was i to put a image on the site i would understand your comment about posting porn or was i to be promoting a sexual pratice and gave a link where you could get it i would take your point about posting porn on the site it was, as i'm sure you know already not the case and as i've said before it's not easy to prove gay lust for stright men without resorting to such sites even if i did manage it eventualy and due to the topic being about a sexual nature i don't think it was quite as bad as made out.

Did you know that i get porn popups from sites that are linked to just about anything to do with anything so lets move on from pretending forum rules are set on concrent shell we as i think this thread has covered that already.

In an attempt to keep this thread on track i won't deal with all your points here but hope you keep in mind my comments about the number of moderators posting in the gay thread but if you do indeed decide to pursure it further then do post and i will look forward to our usual confruntation in the conpriacy and political threads.

On your other question i can only say that the 'D' stands for dog but is not without disrespect for the dog !

[Traveler]

Ok guys, lets use a bit of common sense here!

The number of mods means nothing really as there is a link to report a post with the result that everyone has some mod powers. When a mod is posting they are just posters and if they say something that is bull you still can tell them that they are talking bull. Thats is part of the discussion. They are participants not moderators at that stage. The idea of abuse of those powers is not a major one because the mods themselves also act as moderators of each other and can have their actions overturned.

Now I for one believe that the following is harmful to society in general

1 Porn
2 abortion
3 Promotion of gay life style
4 The covert banning of traditional christian values and faith
5 The abuse of the rule of law
6 The upsurge in paganism, witchcraft and metaphysical religions

Now I understand that my views are in direct opposition to the direction that society is being led in general. I also understand that the tools that society uses to promote compliance through a form of peer pressure to the new order they desire is to label non-conformists with disparaging labels such as Bigot, raciest, Homophobic, religious fanatic.

I get called these often, Nor do I care. I accept that if I stand for what I believe is right in a world gone topsy turvy then I will be subject to these forms of abuse and that is just the way it is. To be affected by it is to display a sense of pride which I also believe is a negative trait and not in line with the forgiveness that is required in accordance to my faith and hope.

The bottom line is that if you are going to take a stand for what is right then you will be required to stand alone on many occasions and face the spirt of this world without any help from others around you. There is little point in complaining about the backlash because you will be out of step with the world system. If you go down then at least let it be with some dignity, after all the finnish line to lifes race is not at death but at the day of judgment. Because of that the question of how you went out counts.

[Sammy56]

Cartesiantheater you are full of $hit as l'm sure it's true that you use the tolet and because pedeofile is not a curse and since you jumped in the gay thread when i said that this kiddey fiddling will be next to be made legal and your interest in the Incestuous Pedophilia as Healthy Sex Education thread it's fine for me to call you a pedofile and to be 'honest' i 'beleive' you have police convictions for TDA and SDB so it's OK for myself to point this out to other members.The nasty things I wish I could say to you are endless. You are throwing this little fit because I gave you one little warning for breaking the rules. Why don't you stop calling people you don't even know pedophiles and worry about your own fragile ego issues.

[Nu Kua]

Did you know that i get porn popups from sites that are linked to just about anything to do with anything so lets move on from pretending forum rules are set on concrent shell we as i think this thread has covered that already.

He's right about that. I've been reading and noticing how you get pop-ups related to your cookies, which in turn are related to what you are searching for as well as sites you've already been...
oh...

Anyway
I think its retarded to not expect mods to be able to post as much as they want to, and it is doubly retarded to not expect a porn link to be removed.

That isn't targeting you, it is saving the ass of AO because unless I am mistaken, this site is not designated as "adults only". If some underage member had of clicked on that link and gotten their eyes full of some nice gay fetish porn, which caused them to run crying to Mama, then you wouldn't have had anyone to answer to when the authorities were called, the owners of AO would.

[medicvet]

You'd better believe it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

[TC]

He's right about that. I've been reading and noticing how you get pop-ups related to your cookies, which in turn are related to what you are searching for as well as sites you've already been...
oh...


Bwaaahahhahha........ jeeeus girl ya made spit out my coffee!!

[Justice]

The nasty things I wish I could say to you are endless. You are throwing this little fit because I gave you one little warning for breaking the rules. Why don't you stop calling people you don't even know pedophiles and worry about your own fragile ego issues.

I was demonstrating the rules as interpurted by Cartesiantheater and FYI i have several warnings in my message box and if you care to look at the thread you will note that just like last time i did not start the name calling and was you to have done your job and pulled up members who started it instead of jumping on me then i would not be throwing a fit.

[Smoke]

some of the mods are quite careful as to how they attack people they do it in ways where its socially acceptable to the rest of the group, see justice being attacked in his is gays odd thread or what ever.


just a bunch of slick insults that slip under the radar....

[Cartesiantheater]

Oh boo fucking hoo! Let's just all hug eachother, huh? this is a DEBATE forum, and in DEBATES the object is to win, which requires some ad hominem. EVERYONE insults the opposition implicitly to some degree. You don't even know. The mods are CERTAINLY not all on the same page. For example, as has become clear, Perfectionist pisses some people off... but not ALL... read the mod threads, I consistantly defend him. why? BECAUSE I do not WANT a nazi mod forum. there's nothing wrong with insulting your opposition as long as it is done on an intelligent wavelength. If people want to express their views without being challenged they've come to the wrong forum. How many times has Justice called people sheep? Oh fucking wa I'm gonna cry now he insulted me. Sheep implies STUPID, and that's what he's called me. Time to cry, right?

No, the fact of the matter is that DBA pisses off the mods just as much as anyone.No one is picking favorites here. Listen closely- JUSTICE WAS WARNED BECAUSE HE POSTED PORNOGRAPHY. We have little kids that show up here man. The rest is just standard debate. If people can't take getting their feelings hurt it certainly isn't MY fault...

[Smoke]

I dont give a flying fuck what justice posta ya tard... fact is every one is always bitching about how theres not enough ppl here on the forums but then you and the crew flame away every one who isint a wanna be physicist or has an opinion that you greatly dislike.

[Cartesiantheater]

I dont give a flying fuck what justice posta ya tard... fact is every one is always bitching about how theres not enough ppl here on the forums but then you and the crew flame away every one who isint a wanna be physicist or has an opinion that you greatly dislike.

Ouch. that hurts...

Flame? No that's not flaming. This little "flaming" isn't NEARLY as bad as you're making it out to be.

As far as AO growing, well, I tend to side with perfectionist - more moding = BAD.

If we sit there and say "every one be nice all the time" where's the fun in that? Justice has an unpopular view it seems, although, really that isn't the case- certainly on his side you've got Traveler, Cherisa, Jeffweeder and on and on- but defending your view is what a debate forum is about.




WHY is it that Justice only complained about DBA when Perfectionist was being much more direct in his insulting? Could it be that Justice just wants to get DBA in trouble just because of spite? And you APPROVE of this?

It was re-goddamned OBVIOUS what Justice was trying to do... if he was so concerned about the rules he'd have complained about Perfectionist.


One more thing-

In my view about how the rules should be enforced, I am SQUARELY in the MINORITY of the mods. There is no unified front against Justice, or against dissension- take a look at the "mocking Christianity thread"- I am squarely OPPOSED to Shortround and am even slightly rude in some places. On this issue of moderation I am opposed to SR, DVD, sammy56, Laz, etc. There IS no unified front here, except in the desire to carry out the forum in the best way possible. We aren't ganging up on anyone. This mod conspiracy thing is total ass.

[TC]

You people who have a bitch as to how this site is run, have no fucking idea the amount of man hours involved to maintain it!! you act as though this privilege just exists on its own!! First you complain about over moderation, then bitch why we didn't close a thread!!! Spoiled little shits!!

[Justice]

Cartesiantheater


Justice has an unpopular view it seems, although, really that isn't the case- certainly on his side you've got Traveler, Cherisa, Jeffweeder and on and on

No disrepect to these people but in looking at the thread i would say i'm just about taking the whole world on and on my own but i've no regrets if it needs to be that way.


WHY is it that Justice only complained about DBA when Perfectionist was being much more direct in his insulting? Could it be that Justice just wants to get DBA in trouble just because of spite? And you APPROVE of this?

You could also ask me !

Yeah it's spite in that i don't like snitches one bit and perfectionist happens to say some good things quite often and i like many of the threads he starts but DBA on the other hand (apart from one recent post) does not and DBA would not win any popularity contests would he now.

Hate your name is i can never spell it.

shortround

Yes i agree with the jist of what your saying and feel your pain and would like to say that over moderation or too little moderation is one thing and each forum is difrent and fourms with too many moderators will tend to over moderate and with too few , under moderate but bias moderation is on a whole difrent level and anyone that uses this form of moderation to protect themselves is fooling themselves.

Hell i post in an economic forum and all the bulls have been driven away and togeather with a few bears have produce a much better site than the original site most came from.

I'm a bear by the way if you have not already gussed it.


It's me! It's me! if you were lucky....:cool03:

Sorry i didn't see this post but don't worry i would not insult you so much as to sugest DBA is your alto-ego.

[Cartesiantheater]

Cartesiantheater



No disrepect to these people but in looking at the thread i would say i'm just about taking the whole world on and on my own but i've no regrets if it needs to be that way.

Which is fine. I mean, how can we determine which view is right? Obviously, there MUST be a right morality (see moral relativism paradox), but perhaps what is "right" is indifferent to the details?




You could also ask me !

Sorry. I'm not really upset at you Justice, but I had to make a point. Sure, the mods got on you about your source, and yes, DBA was being a prick to you, but outside of that the discussion is par for the course: There's a disagreement about what's right (both morally and factually), and then those who support one idea oppose the other. You're not being picked on because the mods are out to get you- there are just two things going on: 1.) DBA is doing a fine job of skirting the rules, and 2.) several people don't agree with your hard stance on gays. But the thing to keep in mind is that these are TWO SEPARATE issues. Surely you don't think that DBA doesn't piss off the real mods a great deal? I'm CERTAIN he does, as he can be offensive to them as well. So, just in case anyone was wondering, I seriously doubt there is personal favoritism going on.


Yeah it's spite in that i don't like snitches one bit and perfectionist happens to say some good things quite often and i like many of the threads he starts but DBA on the other hand (apart from one recent post) does not and DBA would not win any popularity contests would he now.

Nope. It's like I said, he pisses posters and mods off. Not me of course, as I find is method charming (but of course, that is only because he shares several of my moral positions) but you're right, I doubt he wins a popularity contest (fyi, my opinion on DBA doesn't matter because, as I tried to tell you guys, I'm not a REAL mod- I only baby sit the science forum, which is quite uneventful anyway, so don't count my opinion as indicative of the global mod staff).


Hate your name is i can never spell it.



If this is to me you can blame the midwest of the United States as they are the ones who spell "Theatre" as "Theater."



You people who have a bitch as to how this site is run, have no fucking idea the amount of man hours involved to maintain it!! you act as though this privilege just exists on its own!! First you complain about over moderation, then bitch why we didn't close a thread!!! Spoiled little shits!!

Now, just so you know, although I disagree with some details about how you guys run it, your work is certainly appreciated on my part. Yes, I will disagree at times, but I know you guys mean well, and obviously I'm pretty good friends with most of you.

Now, anyway, you make a really good point. It seems the collective group wants to have their cake and eat it too. That's why I mentioned what the rule actually says to Justice earlier. The rule appears to allow for a touch of ad hominem, but certain things are clearly against it (like porn). It's a lot like Aristotle's ethics, in many ways- you can't really define exactly what action is wrong in all circumstances (drinking, for example, can be both a virtue and a vice), but there are SOME that are clearly evil (as Aristotle puts it). In our case, the rules are black and white on some things and gray on others.

I think you guys have done an outstanding job under the criticisms - we have some pissed off people, but no one has been permanently banned, no discussion issues have been banned (we're still allowed to debate all this crap), but at the same time, there are some lines being drawn.




SMOKE:

Sorry about lashing out at you. Time to ponder has shown me the foolishness of my ways. I'm trying to see it your way, that everyone is just ganging up on Justice. Maybe there's more to it that? If you've got more to say, we might need to hear it.

[Cherisa]

Sorry i didn't see this post but don't worry i would not insult you so much as to sugest DBA is your alto-ego.

thanks Justice.
I understand both sides of this dilema, you have got to remember that people here have friends and/family that are homosexual.
Plus, you have mods that have a job to do, perhaps they want to do what the Admin want them to.
Maybe they don't want to get fired for not modding (I'll use my self as an example) I did nothing and got fired..I was too nice to be a mod, really. I didn't want to ban anyone, I even took up for people who lied about me and talked other mods out of banning them when it came up. (to this day, it must have been God or some strange pity on my part cause I rue the day that I did that)
Emotions run high here, arguments are neverending..everybody wants proof, even if it is an impossiblity..
Please, if we could get along for 5 min. we could see, that the world is fecked up,(and we are adding too that feckedupedness )we might possibly put together some sort of game plan for the future. I don't know, it's all about egos and we are no better than any of the so called powers that be fighting imaginary wars on terror..

UBL~ "get out of Saudi!"
Bush~ "Not without my oil, that I paid you for"
Sadaam~"I'm dead"
Cheney~ 'dumdum"

looks alot like the crap that goes down everyday on AO huh?
doesn't anybody want to love someone else? you can choose to day if you wanna love or hate..
If you could find it in yourself to love gays and mods, it would be a start.



God has reserved for Himself the right to judge.
Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, Let me remove the speck from your eye and look, a plank is in your own eye?


here's more of my 11 cents?

[Demonskates]

You people who have a bitch as to how this site is run, have no fucking idea the amount of man hours involved to maintain it!! you act as though this privilege just exists on its own!! First you complain about over moderation, then bitch why we didn't close a thread!!! Spoiled little shits!!

Oh......you spoil me so.................... I want my own thread area. The Demonskates topic area. or at least a sub forum...........

[TC]

Oh......you spoil me so.................... I want my own thread area. The Demonskates topic area. or at least a sub forum...........

( two bottles of snake oil next week) lol

[Justice]

OK i don't swear much but frecking hell some scence of perspective from not just the mods but also Cherisa.

Cherisa i've not come across you before but thats a good post.

anyway i've got to get back and do some work so will be taking a back seat for a while and in any case i think both side have said all thats needed here without churning it all up again.

Fact is i was exspecting a ban for going up against the mods but decided to do it anyway as if it's so stiched up so that mods can do as they please then i realy didn't care so a credit to the mods in that respect.

Cartesiantheater i will see you at the normal place were we will do battle as usual.

Justice

[Assassin X]

I prefer to keep what I think of individuals to myself still. But I know alot of mods and I am talking about in general not just this forum, tend to bring their personal feelings into the moderating. So like if someone doesn't like that someone else is against gays they might be more "harsh" and what not towards that person in general when it comes to watching everything they do and keep that person constantly nervous. Instead of separating their personal beliefs from the subject.

If your going to have the power of a mod you should be able to look at all subjects, people and everything without your own judgment being corrupted by how you feel. People expect to rule and mod fairly. This doesn't seem to be a major problem here but there are times when the "norm" beats out the "un-norm". And thats all I'll say about that.

I may have some wild ideas or open opinions because of the way I am (although I work to correct that) but people should know outside this forum thats not the way I am. People that know me and see this forum and see me can't believe it. I tell them this is my "debate mode" or whatever you call it. And when it comes to something like moderation I am even more of a separate person.

Back to the lack of posts I was thinking is it REALLY because of the mod posts or is it something else? I noticed for a few weeks now there hasn't been many posts in general, well many responses. I remember when topics would have 50+ responses by the end of a few days. Now some get maybe 10 in a week and they fade away. Where did everyone go? Surley it not beacuse mods are posting more.

[DontBeAfraid]

Guys.... I got votes in the popularity contest.


Yeah it's spite in that i don't like snitches one bit and perfectionist happens to say some good things quite often and i like many of the threads he starts but DBA on the other hand (apart from one recent post) does not and DBA would not win any popularity contests would he now.lol, how many times have I reported you Justice?

This isnt prison; snitching is not a bad thing.

[equalizer]

i don't understand what is wrong with mods posting too much. it's the same as members posting too much.

Obviously we have a hot topic here. I think it will be interesting to see how this strategy of half mod half member plays out. Personally I think its a desperation move but thats just my opinion. :bounce:

[QUOTE=Stabby Joe;175677]Like when...?


QUOTE]

Sounds like a trap. It was before your time as mod. The mods involved know what they did.:humpin:

[Fut004]

think its a desperation move but thats just my opinion.



Desperation move on who's part?

[Stabby Joe]

Sounds like a trap. It was before your time as mod. The mods involved know what they did.:humpin:

No, I'm actually asking. You want to think otherwise, it's your loss.

[equalizer]

Desperation move on who's part?
The AO admins. Who else appoints mods. I can see why you have been left out. :humpin:



No, I'm actually asking. You want to think otherwise, it's your loss.

There is no way you could do anything about it now. All I know is the whole report a mod to another mod does not work. Someone give me an example if it does. I bet there is none. :sick:

[Cartesiantheater]

There is no way you could do anything about it now. All I know is the whole report a mod to another mod does not work. Someone give me an example if it does. I bet there is none. :sick:

Report a mod to admin or the lead mod. I was given an infraction that I thought was unfair, complained to the lead mod and got it removed.


Oh, and yes, this whole mod conspiracy theory is retarded, no question.

[equalizer]

Report a mod to admin or the lead mod. I was given an infraction that I thought was unfair, complained to the lead mod and got it removed.


Oh, and yes, this whole mod conspiracy theory is retarded, no question.

Wow a mod making up a story to protect other mods how original. Nice try. :afro:

[Cartesiantheater]

Wow a mod making up a story to protect other mods how original. Nice try. :afro:

Actually, it's true. If you payed attention in the past with my battle between Mickydoolittle you'd know. Donnie darko nailed my ass because I called ~MD~ an asshole (and was quit justified). I then forwarded an email to every single mod and laz overruled the infraction.

Call me a liar, but instead you end up looking like a douche. Nice move.::p:

[equalizer]

Call me a liar, but instead you end up looking like a douche. Nice move.::p:

No not really. I am justified in being suspicous of your story. How about someone who is not a cop I mean mod. Oh and now that you represent AO you should know its not good business to call the members childish names. :humpin:

[Cartesiantheater]

No not really. I am justified in being suspicous of your story. How about someone who is not a cop I mean mod. Oh and now that you represent AO you should know its not good business to call the members childish names. :humpin:

Yeah, but see, I'm only a "rent-a-cop." Just a topic mod. Have to behave, yes, but I'm no REAL mod. I just clean the kitchen floor on occasion... Oh, and recall that I didn't actually CALL you a douche- I just said you LOOK like one in the eyes of strangers who would see that you calling me a liar was inaccurate (and, of course, not based on a single shred of evidence, but rather wild paranoid superstition and such...)

However, I PROMISE I'm telling the truth about that. I wonder if the thread was deleted? (Donnie deleted my exchanges with ~MD~ of course, but you would see the "deleted" section) (this was back when the forums were shut down for a few days because everyone was bitching about something)

[Perfectionist]

some of the mods are quite careful as to how they attack people they do it in ways where its socially acceptable to the rest of the group, see justice being attacked in his is gays odd thread or what ever.

just a bunch of slick insults that slip under the radar....

I dont give a flying fuck what justice posta ya tard... fact is every one is always bitching about how theres not enough ppl here on the forums but then you and the crew flame away every one who isint a wanna be physicist or has an opinion that you greatly dislike.Damn Smokey, I'm gaining more and more respect for you as days go by !! :thumbs: Somebody make Smoke the ONLY Moderator on AO !! :headbang:


It was re-goddamned OBVIOUS what Justice was trying to do... Express his opinion perhaps ?? (No matter how delusional and dysfunctional they are !! :lol:)


if he was so concerned about the rules he'd have complained about Perfectionist.Isn't that a prerequisite for appointment to Moderator status ?? :D


You people who have a bitch as to how this site is run, have no fucking idea the amount of man hours involved to maintain it!!Honestly, you Mods act as if your the ones that make this Forum what it is ..... this will come as a surprise to y'all ..... but it's actually the posters that keep this place alive ..... sorry if that disappoints you ..... and no Shorty, I won't pick up your Dry Cleaning in obligation to your efforts ..... no doubt Sam-Bot will though !! ::p:


you act as though this privilege just exists on its own!! First you complain about over moderation, then bitch why we didn't close a thread!!! Spoiled little shits!!I think being a Mod is going to your head dude !! Resign before it's too late !! :Blbl:


perfectionist happens to say some good things quite often and i like many of the threads he startsI'd love to repay the compliment Justy but unfortunately you happen to say some of the dumbest things and are a Racist, Islamophobic, Xenophobic, Anti-Semitic Homophobic Nazi who is trapped in the Dark Ages with no sex life !! :D I mean that in the nicest way though :grin ..... a Discussion Forum wouldn't have many debates if there weren't any crazy mofo's like you around !! :nudge:

You see, as well as pitying and ridiculing you ..... I also feel you (and everybody else) have the right to hold your funked up opinions and say what is on your mind ..... :bondage:


and DBA would not win any popularity contests would he now.
Neither would you or me dude !! But it's OK, as none of us are running for the Presidency !! :nana:

[TC]

Ya know the more you say, the more you reveal of your motive for being here. You have no desire to post on a level that interacts, your form of a debate is to hack away with no purpose other than to belittle or criticize, both personal and with the running of this site.

[Smoke]

perf honestly, you gotta cut the shit,


at times you may be correct and have good threads.



but sometimes the comments you make arent nescisary, and sometimes, perf when you say somethings it attracts the fuckin vultures, and it can ruin stuff at times.

so come on dude...wisen up a bit ok?

[Demonskates]

So perf, if you hate things so bad, why are you here man? i mean really.
or do you get a kick out of this shit?

[Cherisa]

So perf, if you hate things so bad, why are you here man? i mean really.
or do you get a kick out of this shit?

no doubt cause he just likes to bitch :dunno: I'd say this high school stuff really ruins a place....

[Cartesiantheater]

Express his opinion perhaps ?? (No matter how delusional and dysfunctional they are !! :lol:)

Not complaining that he has an opinion- just expressing mine :D (and pointing out a pretense)


Isn't that a prerequisite for appointment to Moderator status ?? :D

I'm a topic mod, and I don't really see a reason to complain too much about you. I could state the fact that you often seem to bitch for the sake of bitching (probably because you are actually a lonely virgin living in his mother's basement, desperately wishing someone would tossle your asparagus), but it's not like you're a threat to the AO infrastructure or anything...

[TC]

You split the board and its members!

AND THAT IS YOUR INTENT. Perf.

[DontBeAfraid]

There is no way you could do anything about it now. All I know is the whole report a mod to another mod does not work. Someone give me an example if it does. I bet there is none. I have done it.


Neither would you or me dude !! But it's OK, as none of us are running for the Presidency !!damn you guys I came in third!

[Perfectionist]

Ya know the more you say, the more you reveal of your motive for being here.You have read too many Spy novels Shorty ..... my motive is to simply exchange opinions about interesting stuff that is going on around the world ..... without suffering unnecessary thought-policing or over-zealous sanctions/censorship :0.02:

The only people with a motive other than that is ..... yup you guessed it, the Mods !! ::p:


You have no desire to post on a level that interactsDude, most of my posts create a great deal of "interaction" !! :headbang:


your form of a debate is to hack away with no purpose The purpose of debate is to firmly support your own opinion and dispute/deconstruct the opposing one :cool03:

"To hack away with no purpose" = silly in-jokes referencing other Mods and vacuous comments about frikkin hamsters !! :vbroll:


other than to belittle or criticize, both personal and with the running of this site.So you don't want anybody to criticise anybody else's opinion ..... we should all sit around agreeing with each other ..... perhaps you should change the Forum Rules to express this sentiment and then go back and edit most of your own and every other post that has been made on AO to comply :dunno:

And you are right, I do consistently criticise the running of AO ..... especially after "somebody" banned me for no valid reason !! ::p:


You split the board and its members! AND THAT IS YOUR INTENT. Perf.Again with the Machiavellian nonsense !! :vbroll: My intent is clear and obvious ..... I think some of the (present) Moderators do more harm than good to this place ..... my intention is to simply express this opinion whenever the need arises :D


perf honestly, you gotta cut the shitI'm disappointed in ya dude ..... in another thread you quite aggressively started some shit ..... I simply backed you up saying you raise an important point ..... now you are telling me I gotta cut the shit ?? !! :confused: What's the deal here ?? Did Shorty threaten you with his hamster ?? :bondage:


but sometimes the comments you make arent nescisary, and sometimes, perf when you say somethings it attracts the fuckin vulturesYou've got a point .... I do attract the Mods don't I .... :blush:


so come on dude...wisen up a bit ok?You need to re-grow the balls you had a few days ago ..... and ya need to keep writing interesting/entertaining posts and not lose interest in AO ..... wise enough for ya ?? :thumbs:


So perf, if you hate things so bad, why are you here man? i mean really.Like I keep saying ..... if you live in the US then I'm sure you disagree with the Bush Administration ..... does that mean you will be packing your bags and leaving the country ?? :dunno:


or do you get a kick out of this shit?The Mods are usually quite boring (although Shorty does have his moments) ..... however I do get a kick out of arguing with DBA as he is as witty and tenacious as he is incorrect and unrealistic !! :grin


no doubt cause he just likes to bitch :dunno: Babe, everybody likes to bitch about the "Government" !! :nudge:


I'm a topic mod, and I don't really see a reason to complain too much about you.Why is that CT-Boy ?? You realise the rest of the Mods won't invite you to their parties now !! :lol:


I could state the fact that you often seem to bitch for the sake of bitchingI only bitch about Mods ..... for the sake of AO :2thumbs:


probably because you are actually a lonely virgin living in his mother's basement, desperately wishing someone would tossle your asparagusIsn't that another prerequisite for appointment to Moderator status !! :grin

Anyway, I'm glad you are a Mod grasshopper as I think you'll do a good job ..... Congrats Ego-Boy and keep up the tossle'ing ?! ::p:


but it's not like you're a threat to the AO infrastructure or anything...Threat to the infrastructure ?? Dude, I'm not a hacker or virus programmer !! :sick:

The biggest threat to AO is if there are too many inane posts about hamsters instead of AO worthy topics !! :ohmy:

[Cherisa]

Hampsters? Did I hear someone say hampsters? why yes, could it be Perf would you like to be included in the hampster fun?::p:

[medicvet]

Lord I need to find out if it takes me to my dying day where the p in hamsters came from...maybe someone likes hamster pee so had to add it?? ::p:

And I don't mind perv..I mean perf too much..he adds a certain pizzazz to the place..but that is just because I am in awe of his mad smiley skills. :naughtyy:

[Cherisa]

Lord I need to find out if it takes me to my dying day where the p in hamsters came from...maybe someone likes hamster pee so had to add it?? ::p:

And I don't mind perv..I mean perf too much..he adds a certain pizzazz to the place..but that is just because I am in awe of his mad smiley skills. :naughtyy:


prolly from the hampton inn

[medicvet]

:doh: of course, why didn't I see it sooner~! They have the annual rodent convention at their facilities too...it's all tied in together! It's a vast conspiracy of epic proportions! :gossip:

[TC]

As usual the bullshit excuses why its moderation and Admin as the reason.... strange how ITS never members who possibly could be at fault.

Expected...kinda like reasoning with a stump.....

[Perfectionist]

As usual the bullshit excuses why its moderation and Admin as the reason.... strange how ITS never members who possibly could be at fault. True, because Mods are all perfect and saintly and could never ever ever be at fault :grin I bet you wear a Halo and have Wings Shorty !! :D

PS - I don't think anybody has questioned Admins ..... it's purely a selection of the Mods !! :thumbs:

[db99]

Does it reall matter if mods post lots or not surely they are mods for a reason because they know there stuff otherwise there would not be any. I am a member of another forum and all the mods are well into there thousands on the post counts?

[TC]

True, because Mods are all perfect and saintly and could never ever ever be at fault :grin I bet you wear a Halo and have Wings Shorty !! :D

PS - I don't think anybody has questioned Admins ..... it's purely a selection of the Mods !! :thumbs:

Ya see, its never the members...lol

[Perfectionist]

Does it reall matter if mods post lots or not surely they are mods for a reason because they know there stuff otherwise there would not be any. I am a member of another forum and all the mods are well into there thousands on the post counts?Mods do and should post a lot ..... it's the best thing ..... but Mods do sometimes Moderate too much ..... which is a bad thing imho ..... :D


Ya see, its never the members...lolYup, and it's never the Mods !! (We sound like a married couple Shorty ..... lets knock it off before Justice thinks we are Gay ::p: )

[Harry61]

True, because Mods are all perfect and saintly and could never ever ever be at fault :grin I bet you wear a Halo and have Wings Shorty !! :D

PS - I don't think anybody has questioned Admins ..... it's purely a selection of the Mods !! :thumbs:


Well thank ya Perf. It was a selection of the Mods that made a difference. I was asked very nicely if I wanted to do the job. I acceted because I like AO and I don't go around cuttin others down. (IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN:mhm:)

Now with all your rantin's and raving's about how bad of a job I (we) have been doing, maybe I don't want the job anymore....

[Justice]

This site has more mods than here (http://www.haxed.co.uk/forum/index.php?board=112;action=display;threadid=48719)

and you can not even use the word 'fat' as it gets replaced with the word 'comedy' but words like 'shitter' are fine.

not many member on the site but still i have to spread the word.

Perfectionist

You provide many good links and start some dam good threads but it would be nice if you said more about what you think when you start a thread as it's not always obvious with you being a left-wing hug a tree type of person.

[Perfectionist]

Now with all your rantin's and raving's about how bad of a job I (we) have been doing, maybe I don't want the job anymore....Sweet ..... the less Mods, the better ..... my sincere thanks to you !! :Bow:


Perfectionist
You provide many good links and start some dam good threads but it would be nice if you said more about what you think when you start a thread as it's not always obvious with you being a left-wing hug a tree type of person.Left wing tree hugger ?? :D Nope, I believe in the Death Penalty so that rules me out ..... however I also believe in one humanity without divisions or borders ..... unlike you Justy, who still has the mentality of a Tribalistic and Prejudiced Neanderthal ..... :Blbl:

[TC]

Yup, and it's never the Mods !! (We sound like a married couple Shorty ..... lets knock it off before Justice thinks we are Gay ::p: )

I hid the dildo.......but Justice found it.:bondage:

[Perfectionist]

I hid the dildo.......but Justice found it.:bondage:Serves you right for stealing Justice's dildo in the first place ..... I told you he would come looking for it ..... :0.02:

[Assassin X]

So if we still have a AO get together are we have seperate tables?

Table 1: Mods only.
Table 2: Mod lovers.
Table 3(far from other tables): Mod haters.
Table 4: People that no one really knows.

[MetalMilitia]

Sweet ..... the less Mods, the better ..... my sincere thanks to you

We did make it an entire 24 hours with none. Imagine my shock.

[Perfectionist]

We did make it an entire 24 hours with none. Imagine my shock.Why not try it for a whole week or even a month ?? :dunno:

What's the worst that can happen ..... Armageddon !?!? :D

[Assassin X]

I personally never turn in anything whether it be a person I think is wrong or it be a mod. Because in my experience I have YET to come to a forum where to moderators are not arrogant, cocky, power hungry or let their personal feelings mess up their moderating.

BTW I am not saying that about here...or am I? :looks around: So I am nervous all around when it comes to moderators. Of course it doesn't help when you get banned from sites because your medical problems aren't acceptable (screw up grammar/spelling or logic). Thank god I remember spell check more often.

You guys keep going back and forth saying "Its the mods fault!" ,"No, its the users fault". How about its everyones fault? Isn't the saying for every finger you point theres 3 pointing back? Is there to many mods? Well I'd say yes but then again I don't see that many people post so thats why we really only see mods post. Is there a lack of moderation? beats me I can't remember the rules for the most to know what needs to be "moderated". Are there "nazi moderators". Could be. But then again maybe some members think this is a free for all forum.

As you see everyones to blame. Theres needs to be some balance. Need mos that don't let feelings get in the way and have cool heads. Need members that actually post often and keep their heads cool too. I see tons of new members yet no one ever seems to post. Theres my additional 2 cents....well I think I am up to like 26 cents by now.

[medicvet]

So if we still have a AO get together are we have seperate tables?

Table 1: Mods only.
Table 2: Mod lovers.
Table 3(far from other tables): Mod haters.
Table 4: People that no one really knows.

Yes, that's the plan exactly, except for you. We ran out of space with the adults so you have to sit at the kids table.

[db99]

Why not try it for a whole week or even a month ?? :dunno:

What's the worst that can happen ..... Armageddon !?!? :D

Lol doubt it mods are only there to watch over the forum and make sure everyone behaves and keeps on topic! thats why most of my posts are deleted lol! ::p:

[Cartesiantheater]

We did make it an entire 24 hours with none. Imagine my shock.

Actually, I never lost my mod abilities, even though every one else said they did... I even checked whilst every one said they did... so no, no zero mod situation...

[Stabby Joe]

Actually, I never lost my mod abilities, even though every one else said they did... I even checked whilst every one said they did... so no, no zero mod situation...

Same, which made me confused on what the others were talking about...

[Cartesiantheater]

Same, which made me confused on what the others were talking about...

I think MM just took away all the admin powers that the non-topic mods had. Or maybe he forgot about us?

[Traveler]

Wow a mod making up a story to protect other mods how original. Nice try. :afro:

I also had an infraction reversed

[evilwill]

I have yet to lose my modship :p

[Cartesiantheater]

I have yet to lose my modship :p

You sure? I believe the claim was made that during a certain time interval certain powers were turned off for all admin/mods (for the purposes of security).

[evilwill]

For a brief period access to the mod CP was turned off, but that is only one aspect of a mod's powers. All thread related/other mod stuff was remained.