what is the part of god in your life??

[cohen avshalom]

what is the part of god in your life??
when you are doing think-small think and big think-when you are at work and you are doing your job-do you thinking that god will judge you one day for the think you are doing-or this is only think that you have at the edge of your mind?
does god is a factor at the way you are acting by your basic action of life?
or this has not any think for the way you are doing at your life????
i can tell that for me i have many times that i am thinking if i am doing the right action but not because i am afraid -just because i dont like to making other bad think-and this is the resean that i was turning down same offer for job.

cohen avshalom charly
israel/haifa

[Havoc Angel]

I don't need god. I have a conscience. I am the only one with the authority to judge my life.

[iulian28ti]

i think of god as the Great Energy / Universal Law / etc....... actually i can't name it. because you can't name god. you can nick name him, but that's hard too.

btw, "My God" is not as the one of the christians/muslims/etc. i do not believe in an all-knowing/all-powerful/etc entity.

i also believe it cannot interact with us, because it is different and is in a different plane of existence. the conclusion is that i look at "My God" philosophically.

[Nu Kua]

does god is a factor at the way you are acting by your basic action of life?
or this has not any think for the way you are doing at your life????

God is not a factor in how I live my life, either. Like you, I just naturally want to be good to people and the space that surrounds me, live freely and let others live freely, as well.

[loganosborne]

when you are doing think-small think and big think-when you are at work and you are doing your job-do you thinking that god will judge you one day for the think you are doing-or this is only think that you have at the edge of your mind?
I don't know if God is judging me or not and to be honest I don't really care if God is or not. I live life in the way I want to, and it's up to God if he/she/it thinks thats a good life or not. Of course there maybe no God at all.

does god is a factor at the way you are acting by your basic action of life?
No, God isn't a factor in anything I do.

[serpentoffire]

We live in a period of time where all is reversed, bad is good, occultism is better than religions, Satan is cool and Jesus is never existed, God and Lucifer are only expression of our intellect. How much is spiritually poor humanity in these days.
This is the third and last beast of bible prophecies. The Anti-Christ is a metaphor, not a real person, which we are experiencing right now. The negation of all holy things and the worship of Church of Satan through gnosticism and freemasonry.

To respond to your question I have a lot of experiences with paranormal.

Angels, spirits and demons and contacts with Holy Trinity are normal experiences in my live.

[serpentoffire]

I don't know if God is judging me or not and to be honest I don't really care if God is or not. I live life in the way I want to, and it's up to God if he/she/it thinks thats a good life or not. Of course there maybe no God at all.

No, God isn't a factor in anything I do.

Dear mod, you'll not be judged by God. Your soul is the judge of yourself in the sense that if you have ever fornicated with Satan your soul will not grow and will remain trapped in this plane of reality.

[serpentoffire]

i think of god as the Great Energy / Universal Law / etc....... actually i can't name it. because you can't name god. you can nick name him, but that's hard too.

btw, "My God" is not as the one of the christians/muslims/etc. i do not believe in an all-knowing/all-powerful/etc entity.

i also believe it cannot interact with us, because it is different and is in a different plane of existence. the conclusion is that i look at "My God" philosophically.

Yhvh means (more or less) 'I am'. So the label is not important for these entities.

God exists, like Lucifer and all angels (fallen or not). Oh yes, they are powerful. Lucifer was able to put in his trap the whole humanity through his deception: his main victory is to make you believe that him and God don't exist.

Your are negating your spirituality. It is time to wakeup.

[iulian28ti]

occultism is better than religions
define occultism. you mean magic? maybe. many things are real. many things are possible.


Satan is cool and Jesus is never existed
how many satanists exist? few. and they sacrifice chicken. fried chicken.
okay, joking. satanist exist, but are hated. will it become a fashion one day? wait and see.


The negation of all holy things and the worship of Church of Satan through gnosticism and freemasonry.

gnosticism is not satanism. gnostics worship the divinity within themselves. not to be confused with "worshiping themselves". this is probably the only thought belief, and it's still through philosophy. why? we are all part of divinity in a way. just like a cube of glued sawdust (glue=divinity, particles of sawdust=us). the divine is what keeps us existing. i can go in more philosophy right now but i hope you know what i mean.


God exists, like Lucifer and all angels (fallen or not). Oh yes, they are powerful. Lucifer was able to put in his trap the whole humanity through his deception: his main victory is to make you believe that him and God don't exist.

just like the anti-christ, sentient-lucifer and sentient-angels are metaphors, metaphors expressing entities from other dimensions, or weight levels. they influence only some people who worship them, who come in contact with them, who at their turn influence you. this idea is old, and was recently presented in "Constantine".


Your are negating your spirituality. It is time to wakeup.
excuse me!!!
i am negating the church and its ideas (but not all of them). if you consider the church and its dogma to be spirituality, then you are bottle-minded.

[Nu Kua]

God exists, like Lucifer and all angels (fallen or not). Oh yes, they are powerful. Lucifer was able to put in his trap the whole humanity through his deception: his main victory is to make you believe that him and God don't exist.

Your are negating your spirituality. It is time to wakeup.

I was awakened when I realized it was unnecessary to believe in these myths in order to live in my spirituality.
In fact, I found it was easier to live within my spirituality when I was able to see those particular myths for the lies that they are.

[DaSoviet]

Dear mod, you'll not be judged by God. Your soul is the judge of yourself in the sense that if you have ever fornicated with Satan your soul will not grow and will remain trapped in this plane of reality.You hear that Logan? If you do happen to pass before me can you come back let me know if this theory is correct. I'll return the favor if I pass first.

[UVsaturated]

My soul has merged with God. I experience my life through the eyes of God. That is how I think constantly. It gives everything a whole different perspective.

[Nu Kua]

how many satanists exist? few. and they sacrifice chicken. fried chicken.
okay, joking. satanist exist, but are hated. will it become a fashion one day? wait and see.

Not all "satanists" believe in and worship a Satan, btw. In order to believe in Satan, you have to believe in the tenets of Christianity. (well and also Judaism and Islam)

There's that wonderfully fun bunch of "We Don't Believe in Satan" Satanists you should consider. They embrace the opposite of what Christianity says.
Christianity world-view considers the world a place of temptation away from "God', the world as impure, and its pleasures are sins. They believe that the way to God is to shun the world.

The Satanists however believe the world is an expression of the "God" and therefore is to be enjoyed. To get as close as you can to what brings pleasure- good food, good drink, fine loving- this is the way to experience union with the Divine. And to take care of what produces food, health, and wealth, only makes sense because you are taking care of your Creator.

I'm only using the terms "Creator" "God" and "Divine" for simplicity. Because the truth is, many of these so called "Satanists" are also Atheists, who consider such disciplines as science, archeology, philosophy, and a study of real history, to be a better source of the truth of our origins, than some collection of fairy tales put together by small minded men who had political motivations to edit them as they saw fit.

These Satanists don't make for good TV as much as the Satanists who have fallen victim to this brainwashing of Christian mythology, and the Christian Satanists, I suppose, do try very hard to live up to the Christian ideal of pure evil. But I agree they are not in very large numbers.

[serpentoffire]

define occultism. you mean magic? maybe. many things are real. many things are possible.

For occultism I mean all is far from God: fortune tellers, mediums, spiritists, satanists, black magic wiccas/wizards, voodoo and so on.


how many satanists exist? few. and they sacrifice chicken. fried chicken.
okay, joking. satanist exist, but are hated. will it become a fashion one day? wait and see.

Not so few as you think. There are entire sectors of our society that are literally infested. Music, fashion, porno for example, so they are cool now. But there are a lot of these persons also inside the church.

They sacrifice children to pour their blood for Moloch.


http://www.jrbooksonline.com/Frankel_Moloch_30p.jpg




gnosticism is not satanism. gnostics worship the divinity within themselves. not to be confused with "worshiping themselves". this is probably the only thought belief, and it's still through philosophy. why? we are all part of divinity in a way. just like a cube of glued sawdust (glue=divinity, particles of sawdust=us). the divine is what keeps us existing. i can go in more philosophy right now but i hope you know what i mean.

In this diagrams is sketched the relation between gnosticism and the rest of occult world


http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff118/serpentoffire/illuminaob0.gif





just like the anti-christ, sentient-lucifer and sentient-angels are metaphors, metaphors expressing entities from other dimensions, or weight levels. they influence only some people who worship them, who come in contact with them, who at their turn influence you. this idea is old, and was recently presented in "Constantine".

As said, the Anti-Christ is a metaphor, not a real person, which we are experiencing in our time. Supernatural entities are not metaphors but real an physical beings. I saw them several times with different manifestations. Orbs, ghosts, poltergeists and ectoplasm are all phisical expressions of these beings that I saw with my eyes.



excuse me!!!
i am negating the church and its ideas (but not all of them). if you consider the church and its dogma to be spirituality, then you are bottle-minded.
I'm not member of any church or any movements. I don't believe in dogmas and I'm constantly in search of the truth. Religions are not spirituality but only mind control.

[iulian28ti]

if you can explain why the FREEMASONS are identified with ILLUMINATI, i will believe you.
if you can explain why the GNOSTICS are considered ancestors of ILLUMINATI, i will believe you.

[serpentoffire]

if you can explain why the FREEMASONS are identified with ILLUMINATI, i will believe you.
if you can explain why the GNOSTICS are considered ancestors of ILLUMINATI, i will believe you.

My english it is not so evolved for this. I can only suggest you to read the book of Jury Lina that I posted in this thread:
http://forums.armageddononline.org/showpost.php?p=179461&postcount=1

[serpentoffire]

My soul has merged with God. I experience my life through the eyes of God. That is how I think constantly. It gives everything a whole different perspective.

Me too with Holy Trinity. I would like to know about your experience.

[serpentoffire]

Not all "satanists" believe in and worship a Satan, btw.

These Satanists seams to believe in him. See this post (with my first red infraction):
http://forums.armageddononline.org/showpost.php?p=179479&postcount=1

[serpentoffire]

if you can explain why the FREEMASONS are identified with ILLUMINATI, i will believe you.
if you can explain why the GNOSTICS are considered ancestors of ILLUMINATI, i will believe you.

I found this thread that explain more about the picture I showed you before:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-10265.html

Sorry but the link seems not working. Use this:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/archive/index.php

Then browse Illuminati / Secret Societies (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/archive/index.php/f-9.html) then History of Occultism & One World Movement (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-10265.html)

[iulian28ti]

novus ordo seclorum does not mean "new world order". it means "new order of the age". this shows the guy has no idea what he's talking about and it signifies that the illuminati were first a faction, seeking to take over as much as possible. they're a bunch of madmen.

the pyramid is not the symbol of the masons, and that globe covered by a net is not fully covered. esoteric societies are very careful with their symbols. that space simply shows it leaves room for freedom. it's the state-individual relationship. the state needs resources to function, and the world cannot function without a guide. yes it seems like the NWO/OWG, but the difference is that those guys, the masons are calculated, use financial tricks, and don't compromise anything.

now who said the masons want to establish NWO? who said the Bushes are masons. they can say it yes, but masons won't say a thing because they have a code. they're not shouting anything, they're not hiding from the media, they're not hiding from people, as the illuminati do.

the illuminati and freemasons are relatively similar, but it's easy to imitate.

and another thing is that the guy doesn't make any reference to his sources. i need evidence to believe him. oh, yes, he happily references his book, in which, just like the movie, he keeps accusing masons of "evil". it's easy to accuse, and also easy to sell books.

[serpentoffire]

the pyramid is not the symbol of the masons, and that globe covered by a net is not fully covered.
This is new for me. The pyramid with the eye is a metaphor of the human and esoteric knowledge (I know what it means because I'm also clairvoyant) .



now who said the masons want to establish NWO? who said the Bushes are masons.

Bush and Kerry are both member of Skull&Bones



the illuminati and freemasons are relatively similar, but it's easy to imitate.

No, the old freemasonry is related mainly to secret friendships and high level business. Illuminati are Freemason that have also esoteric powers to predict future or interact with spirits.

[Nu Kua]

God exists, like Lucifer and all angels (fallen or not). Oh yes, they are powerful. Lucifer was able to put in his trap the whole humanity through his deception: his main victory is to make you believe that him and God don't exist.

I'm not sure how you are putting gnosticism in the same category as the "bad guys" when what you believe very closely mirrors the most basic concept of their cosmology.

Gnostics, no matter what the sect, generally believe that the world was created by a false god (demiurge), and that the material world was created by accident, and this created a condition of human spirits being trapped within fleshly bodies.

The knowledge of the true God is what provides salvation for the individual, but the false God tries to keep you away from that. And also in general they all believe the way to know the true God is to look within to your heart, to turn away from the false world and tune into the God within, which is an emanating force.

[serpentoffire]

Gnostics, no matter what the sect, generally believe that the world was created by a false god (demiurge), and that the material world was created by accident, and this created a condition of human spirits being trapped within fleshly bodies.

ROFL. Are you member of O.T.O. ?

Gnostics, Mormons, Freemasons, Satanists believes in the same shit with different labels. But the smell is the same.

:spree:

[iulian28ti]

This is new for me. The pyramid with the eye is a metaphor of the human and esoteric knowledge (I know what it means because I'm also clairvoyant) .
no. they are the pyramid and their god is the all-seeing eye. they use the same symbol as other ancient groups. the pyramid, because it possesses certain qualities, and is also a symbol of power. not only looking at it historically, but also looking at it metaphorically. the pyramid sits on Earth. They are the elite, the top, which controls an entire globe. A i said, the secret/esoteric societies are very careful about their symbols.


Gnostics, Mormons, Freemasons, Satanists believes in the same shit with different labels. But the smell is the same.
no. satanist are:
-good satanists
--atheists
--theists with the belief of Satan being good, a part of divinity, not "evil"
-bad satanists
--tribal satanists, killing fried chicken
--real satanists, worshipping other entities, and doing a goddamn god job

Did you know that jesus encouraged humanism? humanists are looked at bad by the church, because they reject the, "God controls everything/God is guilty for failure" theory and they work hard.

The church likes that, because it makes people have an excuse for the evil that is made. And they also have the salvation: The "big" revelation :ohmy: No one does a thing, war comes, god will help us out, satan defeated, but they forget to say we will eventually die from radiation.

Gnostics rejected the church's dogmas (which pissed the institution off), and Templars were also gnostics. Plus, they had money, so it looked perfect to accuse them of heresy and take their money. Let's not forget that the "Holy Sh*tty Church" did all the evil for over 2000 years.

Gnostics also supported hard work and philosophy, and also personal spirituality, or the discovery of god by yourself. The illuminists (not the illuminati) revived this around 18th century, even if some of them were atheists.

And now... Everything is changed. Everyone must be in line, work less, so we put robots in our place and space, and we abandon philosophy saying we don't need it to survive.

[serpentoffire]

no. they are the pyramid and their god is the all-seeing eye. they use the same symbol as other ancient groups. the pyramid, because it possesses certain qualities, and is also a symbol of power. not only looking at it historically, but also looking at it metaphorically. the pyramid sits on Earth. They are the elite, the top, which controls an entire globe. A i said, the secret/esoteric societies are very careful about their symbols.

Maybe you have less experiences in esoterism.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff118/serpentoffire/pyramid.gif



no. satanist are:
-good satanists
--atheists
--theists with the belief of Satan being good, a part of divinity, not "evil"
-bad satanists
--tribal satanists, killing fried chicken
--real satanists, worshipping other entities, and doing a goddamn god job

ROFLMAO
Good satanist, eh eh eh
I had in my home twice the presence of a demon and there is nothing of good. Satanists are believer of satan, the great deception maker.

In Italy we had a fact where was involved satanists. They used drugs, pedophilia, satanism indoctrination and rituals of blood over 4yo children.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1706340.ece



Did you know that jesus encouraged humanism?

No at all. Did you know that Santa Clause encourage spirituality? LOL

[iulian28ti]

SATANISTS...
i can be considered a satanist too for loving chocolate and rejecting the trinity you know.
satan means "the opponent". satanist are opponents of the church. nothing more. some are dumb, some are smart, some are good (meaning they love chocolate but eat moderately) and some are bad. those from the last class are simply sick. who made them sick? those who repeated "god, god, god" over and over again. if you're not a sheep, you think for yourself, and try to make your own way, but the society accept only sheep, this drives you crazy.

SYMBOLS...
nice the sign of horus on a pyramid. sweet. but you don't get the drift.
that pyramid is complete, while the illuminatis use an incomplete pyramid, with their god, the eye on the top.

also, the eye of horus does not appear on pyramids, and is a symbol by itself.

that's what differences illuminati from other societies or beliefs. their eye means control. their own symbol and guidestones :deal: show that. also they broke the good/evil barrier and do not consider themselves as bad people, even though they are sick, obsessive and paranoid persons. good and evil are relative, just like everything else.

let's say:
good = +
evil = -

but hey, if our symbols were different, like X and Y, you get
good = X
evil = Y
and there's no more, negative (-) idea. they think they are doing a great job for their god. and they do it, they enslave us.

the difference between Ancient Egypt and Present World?
back then you could say, "i don't wanna be slave, i'll die", or maybe you would just kill your master and take his fortune away. now you are tricked into not believing this, and do nothing. what you were saying about "evil's way"? :deal:

and i really don't know how you got Gnostics, the really enlightened people who marked our history, and Masons, smart businessmen supporting naturist medicine, in the same pot with the Illuminati. Is it because they're all very powerful?

[Nu Kua]

ROFL. Are you member of O.T.O. ?

Gnostics, Mormons, Freemasons, Satanists believes in the same shit with different labels. But the smell is the same.

:spree:
I see you've attacked me me with the "killing spree" emoticon because I do not agree with your religious prescriptions. How typical. But thank you, for showing your true colors so early on.


You are woefully misinformed, but I expect as much from a person who comes barreling into a forum proclaiming how advanced and knowledgeable he/she is. That is a sure indicator of a true bullshitter, especially when discussing spiritual matters. Those who are truly spiritually involved aren't connected so much to the ego that they feel they have to "brag", not that you have anything to brag about.


You speak from fear, not knowledge.

I've actually studied and have become involved in many religions throughout my life, with a long run in gnostic Christianity (which is the TRUE Christianity); I have read the Gnostic gospels in depth and have worked with the principles taught therein. Even now in my "religion-free" life I still adhere to many of the principles of Gnostic Christianity. It is a mystic religion.
I do not claim to be an expert, but I am certain that I do know what I am talking about when it comes to the beliefs and practices of several of the sects of Gnosticism.
Just for starters, if you knew what you were talking about you'd know that the Gnostics don't believe in a "Satan", not in the way you are speaking of.

And to suggest there is a similarity between Gnostics and MORMONS?!
Please. Pull down your skirt, your paranoid schizophrenia is showing.

Why not take the time to actually study there religions in depth to see what they truly are all about, instead of just assuming that anything you don't believe (or UNDERSTAND) must be of "Satan".

For the beginner just learning of Gnosticism, I suggest started out with Elaine Pagels "The Gnostic Gospels" and for reading along, pick up a copy of the Nag Hammadi texts.
Then maybe, you'll gain some idea of what you are speaking of, and won't have to go around various websites embarrassing yourself so.

I have links to online sources of the texts, if you are really interested in learning.
However I suspect I'll get quite the self righteous tongue lashing from you, as you stand there flaming in all your ignorant glory.


There are six billion ways to live...

[serpentoffire]

SATANISTS...
i can be considered a satanist too for loving chocolate and rejecting the trinity you know....

Do what you want, you are joking with your arse. God is freedom, comprehended the possibility to don't believe in him.



their eye means control.

The eye means control for old freemasons. For illuminati means clairvoyance, the hidden knowledge, like the 11th sephirot in the tree of live.

their own symbol and guidestones :deal: show that. also they broke the good/evil barrier and do not consider themselves as bad people, even though they are sick, obsessive and paranoid persons. good and evil are relative, just like everything else.

They consider the world in black and white, good and evil, as described here:


http://www.scarletandthebeast.com/image004.jpg






let's say:
good = +
evil = -

but hey, if our symbols were different, like X and Y, you get
good = X
evil = Y

Y^2 + X^2 = R^2


http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff118/serpentoffire/millenium.jpg

[serpentoffire]

I see you've attacked me me with the "killing spree" emoticon because I do not agree with your religious prescriptions.

No at all. The emoticon is not related to you and I'm afraid that you think so.


I've actually studied and have become involved in many religions throughout my life, with a long run in gnostic Christianity (which is the TRUE Christianity);

Hahaaaa...this is the point. So gnosticism is the true Christianity for you. and Ecclesia (OTO) should be the good soul of Vatican, our ruler. Very funny.



...your paranoid schizophrenia is showing....

Your reaction show only that I centered the problem



Why not take the time to actually study there religions in depth to see

I studied already several form of religions and most present the same concepts inside.

[Nu Kua]

No at all. The emoticon is not related to you and I'm afraid that you think so.

Ummm, OK, but it was in a post in which you were speaking directly to me.
But no worries, I thought it was kind of cute. (and telling!)


Hahaaaa...this is the point. So gnosticism is the true Christianity for you.


I was in error there. More correctly, Gnosticism is the ORIGINAL "Christianity". The words "True" and "Christian" hardly work well together, after all.


I studied already several form of religions and most present the same concepts inside.

What concepts?

[iulian28ti]

They consider the world in black and white, good and evil, as described here:
to be able to control society you need to be smart and open minded. meaning you need to know what relativity is. come back when you have a little more than paranormal experiences.


Y^2 + X^2 = R^2
no. you didn't get the comparison. relativity again.

[serpentoffire]

I was in error there. More correctly, Gnosticism is the ORIGINAL "Christianity". The words "True" and "Christian" hardly work well together, after all.

This depends of what is for us Christianity. If we think it as the result of Constantine work in 300 A.C. and what it is claimed today by Vatican then this is not Christianity. This is only a sum of pagan rites mixed with Apostles writing. They are depicting Jesus and Maria as the ancient figures of Isis and Osiris or before of Tamuz and Semiramis.

In the same time what it is gnosticism today is the track for Christians to reach esoterism and Luciferanism.

See this for example: http://www.dragonrouge.net/english/general.htm



What concepts?
For example the concept of trinity. 'I tried' to reassemble in one chart all the equivalences (maybe with some imprecisions):

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff118/serpentoffire/trinity.gif

[serpentoffire]

to be able to control society you need to be smart and open minded. meaning you need to know what relativity is.

Sorry if I don't know the level in this forum. Could this be better for you?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/c/1/0/c101745add4b15c17865604e474f33d2.png

I can continue with quantum physic but I think is a little out of track.

[Nu Kua]

OK, I see what you are saying. I've also found that many religions and cultures often are saying the same things, but maybe with different words.

[Nu Kua]

In the same time what it is gnosticism today is the track for Christians to reach esoterism and Luciferanism.

from your link


In culture we are interested in the Gothicism and the dark side in its different forms of expression. We are studying the Gothicistic literature and the horror romantic genre through writers like H.P. Lovecraft, Hanns Heinz Ewers, Bram Stoker and Edgar Allan Poe.
italics mine
Could it be you've gotten Gothicism confused with Gnosticism?

[serpentoffire]

Could it be you've gotten Gothicism confused with Gnosticism?

No, this is only an example. Maybe it is more appropriate this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordo_Templi_Orientis

"The Order offers esoteric instruction through dramatic ritual, guidance in a system of illuminated ethics, and fellowship among aspirants to the Great Work of realizing the divine in the human"

O.T.O. also includes the Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesia_Gnostica_Catholica) (EGC) or Gnostic Catholic Church, which is the ecclesiastical arm of the Order. This is the freemasonic order inside Vatican.

[Nu Kua]

Oh well now I understand our confusion. We are speaking of two different thing when referring to Gnostics.

from your link


The chief function of EGC is the public and private performance of the Gnostic Mass (Liber XV), a eucharistic ritual written by Crowley in 1913...The E.G.C. descended from a line of French Gnostic revival churches that developed in the 19th century. At that time, these Gnostic churches were essentially Christian in nature...The name "Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica" was not applied to the church until Crowley wrote the Gnostic Mass in 1913, which Reuss proclaimed to be the church's official rite...

Crowley is known for taking various terms and using them as he saw fit, as well as cherry picking what he liked from various schools of thought/belief and used them to create his own reality.
I think the "Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica" is using the term "gnostica" to refer to hidden knowledge. The word "gnosis" itself is Greek for "Knowledge", not knowledge as in book learning but knowledge that can only be gained through direct experience. Crowley likely knew what the word meant in its strictest sense and liked the sound of it.
So I can understand the confusion.
It doesn't make it easier when you consider the earliest Christians that I have been referring to didn't actually call themselves "Gnostics".
Gnosticism was a kind of umbrella term used to describe various mystic religious schools that proliferated in the first centuries after Christ. There were some similarities to more traditional Christian beliefs, but since some Gnostic beliefs derived from the older Mystery traditions of Greece and Rome, as the emerging Christian church gained power and influence, they branded these groups they called Gnostics as heretical.

This is more along the lines of what I am referring to when speaking of Gnostics.
I think if you take even just a moment to dig around here, you'll likely see not a lot in common with Crowley's ECG.
http://www.gnostic-jesus.com/

PBS has had some good series, here's one link
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/story/heretics.html

[iulian28ti]

Sorry if I don't know the level in this forum. Could this be better for you?
applied relativity. relativity means more than some formulas.
here's how it's applied in the "black and white, good and evil" case.
we think about them as evil, as (-), and us good, as (+).
(+) means add, (-) means extract. that's our view.

but what if we had no (+)&(-) concept. what if we were animals. animals don't have the good/bad concept. when they hunt, they consider they did a great job, feeding themselves and the pride. we think it's 'brutal, bad, carnal, non-evolved'.

indeed, the 'Dark guys' do evil from our point of view, because we don't like it when they mess with us.
they consider it's how it has to be, because they are evolved enough to realize that's how nature runs.
in the same time, they could instead contribute to our world, but they don't because they think they are superior and also have the tactical advantage.
that's why i say they are sick, mentally sick. and still... normality and sanity are relative again.


I can continue with quantum physic but I think is a little out of track.
no it's not. the biggest stupidity (maybe needed stupidity) was to divide philosophy into many other sciences. philosophy contains spirituality too. everything is connected, and there's no reason to disconnect them.

[serpentoffire]

here's how it's applied in the "black and white, good and evil" case.
we think about them as evil, as (-), and us good, as (+).
(+) means add, (-) means extract. that's our view.
but what if we had no (+)&(-) concept. what if we were animals. animals don't have the good/bad concept.

I know very well what you said. Kundalini energy make persons good and evil, male and female in the same time. I can extend your concept:
+ = spreading of energy (love, compassion)
- = needing of energy (extracted through fear and pain)

This is the same difference between angels and demons.


no it's not. the biggest stupidity (maybe needed stupidity) was to divide philosophy into many other sciences. philosophy contains spirituality too. everything is connected, and there's no reason to disconnect them.
In fact I'm a engineer with advanced (hidden) knowledge in 'philosophy', if we want to say so.

[Nu Kua]

I know very well what you said. Kundalini energy make persons good and evil, male and female in the same time. I can extend your concept:
+ = spreading of energy (love, compassion)
- = needing of energy (extracted through fear and pain)

Let's work on this a bit.
Negative energy isn't necessarily bad. It is potential. It pulls in. You must have both positive and negative energy for, say, a battery to operate, or for life to occur. Nothing ever is created without both the positive and the negative energy.


You want to give your baby a bath. A desire, a thought, an idea.
You run water into the tub and place your baby in it, and begin bathing him. Desire plus action equal realized potential.

You want to drown your baby. A desire, a thought, an idea.
You run water into the tub and place your baby in it, push him under and drown him.
Desire plus action equals realized potential.

For anything at all to be created- including both good and evil, you must have a negative and positive blend.
It isn't the qualities of the energy, positive or negative, that makes for good or evil. Positive (going forth) and negative (bringing in) are neutral. It is what you do with it that becomes good or evil.

This is true for ALL manifestation, from the smallest of tasks (I considered responding to you- negative energy- I responded to you- positive energy, the result- this post you are reading)
to the largest.

negative- vagina
positive- penis
Is the vagina bad, and the penis, good?

Potential=egg
Actualizing= sperm
Is the egg bad, and the sperm good?
Of course not.

Intercourse- penis enters vagina, ejaculation occurs, sperm is sent forth. Sperm travels blindly, hurriedly. An egg lies in wait, not moving on its own accord. Sperm finds egg, and one lucky guy is the first to penetrate the egg. New life is formed.
Womb- as a negative energy, is passive, waiting for the newly fertilized egg (energized and now with a purpose) to implant itself, where it grows in the darkness until the life is incubated until ready to be born.
Then by the contractions of the womb and the vagina, (positive, forward moving action) the child is born.
The negative time of the child incubating inside the womb was necessary for that child to grow into life form that would be viable outside of the womb. When there is not enough time allowed for the fetus to grow, if the positive action of birth occurs before the fetus has had time to grow to its full potential inside the negative, waiting, holding in quality of the womb- then the child will not live when born.

All sperm that does not unite with an egg, dies. All eggs that are not fertilized, die.

Action without purpose to act is wasted energy. Talk about the frenetic kinetics!
Potential without energy to go forth just sits and swirls with nowhere to go.
Talk about the angst...

Even in daily life- if you run about all day, doing this and that, working at such a quick pace that you never to rest a moment, to eat/drink, to breath- you do not stop to TAKE IN ENERGY, then you wear yourself out and just plop down exhausted. This is because you cannot run on simply expelling energy. You have to replenish your stocks- have to be passive for a time and take energy in- you do this when you rest, nourish yourself, or sleep.

You must have positive and negative energy in balance, in order to live well.

[serpentoffire]

This is easy in this way but I guess to use these examples:

+ birth
- death

+ creation
- destruction

+ peace
- war

+ welfare
- poverty

+ health
- disease

I think that all become more complicated when the arse is your.

[Nu Kua]

I see that you are not capable of relating on, or of even vaguely understanding, the reasoning from which I speak/write/think.
I may as well be conversing with a wall.

I feel badly for cohen avshalom. We have totally taken his thread off topic.
My apologies, Cohen.

[iulian28ti]

+ birth
- death

+ creation
- destruction

+ peace
- war

+ welfare
- poverty

+ health
- disease
that is YOUR point of view, and the one of many others, and it accounts your desires.

+ birth -> it has negative parts too, such as ...people with bad temper... :D
- death -> it is positive too. you just free up a slot in the world. nothing more. it's normal, and it's not bad.

+ creation -> it has some really bad part too.... like the "Devil" :ohmy:
- destruction -> think what would happen if some of your cells wouldn't die. your skin would be so soft that it could be easily penetrated by a pen, and you would get bigger every day, becoming a big ball of skin.
remember, nothing is lost, everything is transformed.

+ peace -> only peace would mean pussies instead of men.
- war -> makes men tough. some get PTS, true ::p:

+ welfare -> if we had only welfare, we would be unprepared for something else. we would be helpless against many problems.
- poverty -> yes, bad. but this make us think new ways to build things easier, faster, cheaper, be more durable, improve our techniques etc.

+ health -> if everyone would be healthy, they would be either dead, either drugged everyday with vitamins.
- disease -> if there was no disease, we would simply need no immune system, and would be sitting ducks for any potential viruses.

too bad all those +es and -es are categorized, but people don't understand we need only one + to do whatever we need, to make + or -.

everybody wants 'evil destroyed', but removing "-" would simply make the supreme spirit useless, because his job is to maintain a balance, so everything would disappear. something else will be created instead, but we would be like an unsaved document on a reset PC. we would disappear. it wouldn't be bad but it would be sad.

[Cartesiantheater]

Y^2 + X^2 = R^2


So you're saying that good and evil is a circle???

http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/c/1/0/c101745add4b15c17865604e474f33d2.png

And do you know what that little Greek letter looking thing that looks like a squiggly lower case "d" means? :D

[serpentoffire]

I may as well be conversing with a wall.

I'll be your personal wall.


http://www.transimagine.de/gcaravaggio/images/wall.jpg

[serpentoffire]

So do you know what that little Greek letter that looks like a squiggly lower case "d" means? :D
Are you asking me if I know differentials, derivates, tensors, covariance or controvariance? Maybe. :D

[Cartesiantheater]

Are you asking me if I know differentials, derivates, tensors, covariance or controvariance? Maybe. :D

Show me: find the partial derivative with respect to x of this function, then with respect to y...:

f(x,y) = x^4 + 6(y)^(1/2) - 10

You will earn my undying respect if you actually know this (nothing but third semester calc = as far as I've gone...)

[Nu Kua]

I'll be your personal wall.


http://www.transimagine.de/gcaravaggio/images/wall.jpg


I'll be your personal window, if you're smart enough to allow it.
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/4026/window1zi8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Cohen, please forgive our rudeness.

[serpentoffire]

Show me: find the partial derivative with respect to x of this function, then with respect to y...:

f(x,y) = x^4 + 6(y)^(1/2) - 10

You will earn my undying respect if you actually know this (nothing but third semester calc = as far as I've gone...)
I would to earn much more of your respect ($$$$)
:yawn: (good night)

[serpentoffire]

I'll be your personal window, if you're smart enough to allow it.



http://spectraleyes.com/albums/artworx/selfportrait.jpg

[DontBeAfraid]

I would to earn much more of your respect He doesnt know how CT. You have confirmed that he simply googled relativity and copied in a picture he found.

[serpentoffire]

He doesnt know how CT. You have confirmed that he simply googled relativity and copied in a picture he found.

This simply confirm that I was tired yesterday evening, that I finished university 14 years ago and that my job is not directly related to physic. I have a book about the original work of Einstein about relativity that explain also very well the Levi-Civita formula about general relativity and gravitation. I hope this conclude the debate about relativity.

[Cartesiantheater]

Not exactly, because the people at the physics forums I frequent are all too happy to solve such easy math problems. Here's an easier one, in fact, so easy as to be nearly impossible to forget:

Find the derivative of:

(x^2)sin(x)

I mean, it's just a simple product rule (thanks Flynn) derivative. This is semester 1. If you can't do this, then you must've just googled some vector calculus (I assume it's vectors because it involves directional derivatives and that little circle with an x in it denotes an inward direction in my physics class)...

I mean, if you don't personally understand the math behind it, then it is quite wrong to try to hold that over other people's head. Again, you may understand the concepts, but if you don't know the math don't try to pretend you do with the intent of confusing those who are less informed. That's pretty lame. So here you go- surely anyone who graduated in ANY science can do a simply semester one derivative...

[serpentoffire]

Not exactly, because the people at the physics forums I frequent are all too happy to solve such easy math problems. Here's an easier one, in fact, so easy as to be nearly impossible to forget:

Find the derivative of:

(x^2)sin(x)

I mean, it's just a simple chain rule derivative. This is semester 1. If you can't do this, then you must've just googled some vector calculus (I assume it's vectors because it involves directional derivatives and that little circle with an x in it denotes an inward direction in my physics class)...

I mean, if you don't personally understand the math behind it, then it is quite wrong to try to hold that over other people's head. Again, you may understand the concepts, but if you don't know the math don't try to pretend you do with the intent of confusing those who are less informed. That's pretty lame. So here you go- surely anyone who graduated in ANY science can do a simply semester one derivative...

Blah blah blah and personal attack (Ignored) :jap:

[Cartesiantheater]

Blah blah blah and personal attack (Ignored) :jap:

You said this:

"Sorry if I don't know the level in this forum. Could this be better for you? "

Insulting not only iulian28ti, but basically the entire forum. How can you expect anything less? You make a claim to knowledge that you don't have with the intent of insulting the whole forum, and then complain when you're called on it? Here at AO we call bs... it's what we do... It seems that this forum is on a higher "level" than you are- either get educated or don't pretend to knowledge you don't have.

Stay off the math and don't act like all of AO is stupid.

[serpentoffire]

You said this:

"Sorry if I don't know the level in this forum. Could this be better for you? "

Insulting not only iulian28ti, but basically the entire forum. How can you expect anything less? You make a claim to knowledge that you don't have with the intent of insulting the whole forum, and then complain when you're called on it? Here at AO we call bs... it's what we do... It seems that this forum is on a higher "level" than you are- either get educated or don't pretend to knowledge you don't have.

Stay off the math and don't act like all of AO is stupid.

No intention to insult anyone here (and you don't know what I know).
Take a beer and stay relaxed buddy.

[iulian28ti]

No intention to insult anyone here (and you don't know what I know).

lol! dreams of girls at night, i bet. hidden knowledge... Woooo! scary!.... but when it comes to really having some knowledge, some "solid state", you present "gas state".

[serpentoffire]

lol! dreams of girls at night, i bet. hidden knowledge... Woooo! scary!.... but when it comes to really having some knowledge, some "solid state", you present "gas state".

A lot of personal attacks and always the same persons in this forum (maybe other are scared to post something for this reason).

First of all, to write something of consistent I need a lot of time because English is not my main tongue and sometime I fail to understand the real meaning of a message if it is too philosophically deep or complex in its syntax. This is also why my replies are so concise.

I don't need to demonstrate something to you or to mod, about physic, math or other scholastic knowledges, this is a stupid competition and I don't have the age to do this.

My replies was sometime only sarcastic without intention to denigrate anyone. Just to pass the time while I post on other 3 forums, responds to e-mail and make my business.

When I wrote about 'hidden knowledge' I was talking about some strange abilities that I ever had since I was child.

Why are you so angry in this forum?

[Nu Kua]

I freely admit to being a complete retard when it comes to calculus or whatever the hell kind of numbers you all were tossing around there. It all looks Greek to me.

So SoF if you're done with weird numbers for today, I'd like to get back to this chart.
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/8743/illuminaob0et2.gif (http://imageshack.us)


Could you explain to me how Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism, ect; floatation tanks, self hypnosis, and subliminal persuasion, ect, are forms of the occult?

I've learned that you have no answer to my questions regarding how you came to see the Gnostics as Satanic, even after I offered up a bit of evidence proving why that isn't so.

Also, I see no response my argument that pure energy is neither good nor evil. This means that what we humans do with it makes it good or evil, and this can be taken further to say that we are responsible for what goes on "down here", on Earth- we can't blame a Devil for it, nor hope for a "God" to swoop down and save us at the last minute.

I take your lack of an answer to mean that you have seen the Light and that now you agree with me on those two points. :-)

I'll have you dancing in the moonlight before its all over with.

[serpentoffire]

Could you explain to me how Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism, ect; floatation tanks, self hypnosis, and subliminal persuasion, ect, are forms of the occult?

I never said this. Buddhism is mainly a well philosophy of life that it is compatible with most of religions. Hinduism is a religion mostly based (for what I learned) on spiritism. Shintoism never covered.
Floatation tanks, self hypnosis, and subliminal persuasion are all explainable with Milton Erickson work of dissociation between mind and body.
No occultism until now.



I've learned that you have no answer to my questions regarding how you came to see the Gnostics as Satanic, even after I offered up a bit of evidence proving why that isn't so.

We have understood that we have two different point of view about Gnosticism. For me a Gnostic is a men with secret knowledge, good for freemasonry. Gnostics sometime (ever following my definition) are persons like me having telepathic and clairvoyances abilities. These abilities are symbolized by the third eye depicted over the semi-pyramid. So the secret society is composed by the normal knowledge of their adepts and on the top who have the hidden knowledge, the 11th sephirot, the third eye, the ability to interact with paranormal.

Am I a gnostic? Maybe, but I'm not member of any secret societies also if I work in a company driven by freemasonry.


Also, I see no response my argument that pure energy is neither good nor evil. This means that what we humans do with it makes it good or evil, and this can be taken further to say that we are responsible for what goes on "down here", on Earth- we can't blame a Devil for it, nor hope for a "God" to swoop down and save us at the last minute.

There is no boundary between good and evil, as I tried to explain sarcastically before putting the equation of circle. An action can be good in a situation and evil in another. The 'gift' to see between good and evil is our responsibility but it is hard to manage having as base of knowledge religions or ideologies. Both are sets of thing good and evil to learn in dogmatic way. Who is enlightened by 'gifts' is able to see the real nature of good/evil energy inside humans. I'm able for example to see the aura of persons in front of me, listen in their sentiments while they talk. I'm able to feel all of you and see inside your soul also if you are far from me and I don't know nothing of you.

I know already who you are. I sent my initial posts only to feel the reaction, as throw a rock in a lake to see the returning waves in the water.

[Nu Kua]

I never said this. Buddhism is mainly a well philosophy of life that it is compatible with most of religions. Hinduism is a religion mostly based (for what I learned) on spiritism. Shintoism never covered.
Floatation tanks, self hypnosis, and subliminal persuasion are all explainable with Milton Erickson work of dissociation between mind and body.
No occultism until now.

I came to the conclusion you felt this way because of the title of your diagram, which is "History of Occultism and the One World Movement". It looks as if you are lumping everything there in with the "occult".
Can you explain to me how they would relate, then, to the One World Movement?


Am I a gnostic? Maybe, but I'm not member of any secret societies also if I work in a company driven by freemasonry.

Probably not a gnostic, and that is OK, neither am I. When it comes to religion, I am everything, yet nothing.
But it does bother me to see the confusion, as someone who didn't know better might see your words and assume that the "original gnostics" were a bunch of occultist's on the left hand path.
Since they were declared as heretics by the early Christian church because they did not believe as they were told, they were persecuted, murdered, driven out, put underground. That kind of thing really bothers me.
Inquisitions in general bother me.
And some Christians today won't even read any of the Nag Hammadi texts, although I don't see why not, because you can see another whole view of Jesus- why would that be something to fear? But many fear it because it would shatter their paradigm, because this is how they were taught, that there was only one truth, and one way of telling the truth, one way to view God. And most do not even know of the politics that go behind having those beliefs shoved down their throats.


There is no boundary between good and evil, as I tried to explain sarcastically before putting the equation of circle. An action can be good in a situation and evil in another. The 'gift' to see between good and evil is our responsibility but it is hard to manage having as base of knowledge religions or ideologies.

It seemed to me you were bringing in God/Satan to explain good and evil. And it also seemed that you were equating God=positive=good=male; and Satan=negative=bad=female. I am kind of on a "kick" with that right now.


I know already who you are. I sent my initial posts only to feel the reaction, as throw a rock in a lake to see the returning waves in the water.

Interesting.
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/3006/21081049254632aa6199848zi9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[loganosborne]

Dear mod, you'll not be judged by God. Your soul is the judge of yourself in the sense that if you have ever fornicated with Satan your soul will not grow and will remain trapped in this plane of reality.
Well I've never "fornicated with Satan" to my knowledge, so I guess my soul's growing. But seriously I think that's a ridiculous theory.

You hear that Logan? If you do happen to pass before me can you come back let me know if this theory is correct. I'll return the favor if I pass first.
Will do. :deal:

[serpentoffire]

Briefly because I need to go to sleep.



Can you explain to me how they would relate, then, to the One World Movement?

NWO is driven by Freemasonry that have in their base mainly Zionism and something of Judaism (I'm not anti-semite).

Illumitati drives the game coordinating the global economy through 13 bloodlines. They are the next generation of freemasonry having joined the esoterism (or gnosticism under my definition) to their ancient knowledge.



It seemed to me you were bringing in God/Satan to explain good and evil. And it also seemed that you were equating God=positive=good=male; and Satan=negative=bad=female. I am kind of on a "kick" with that right now.

Angels don't have gender, because are male and female at the same time. God and Lucifer, spirits and other fallen angels are real beings, not an intellectual invention to define good and evil.

[serpentoffire]

But seriously I think that's a ridiculous theory.
Sorry, you lose a new PrayStation 3 with Plug&Pry feature.

[serpentoffire]

Quote:
Originally Posted by DaSoviet
You hear that Logan? If you do happen to pass before me can you come back let me know if this theory is correct. I'll return the favor if I pass first.


So who is the first?


http://catarinag.blogs.sapo.pt/arquivo/morte%20tristeza.gif

[loganosborne]

Sorry, you lose a new PrayStation 3 with Plug&Pry feature.
But thats not fair, I want my Praystation 3 with Plug&Pry! :grind:

[Nu Kua]

Originally Posted by Nu Kua
Can you explain to me how they would relate, then, to the One World Movement?
NWO is driven by Freemasonry that have in their base mainly Zionism and something of Judaism (I'm not anti-semite).

I was speaking of, "Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism, ect; floatation tanks, self hypnosis, and subliminal persuasion, as you have in your chart there, your chart which is titled "History of Occultism and the New World order"
by including those paths in your diagram, it looks as if you are saying those are related.

Logan your avatar made me think, if you have a lady friend in your life, you might consider a pair of these thongs for a Yule gift.
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/8450/jitcrunchaspxph3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[DontBeAfraid]

Blah blah blah and personal attack (Ignored) Subject not dismissed. If yo uthink CT posted anything even remotely close to a personal attack then you dont know me.


I don't need to demonstrate something to you or to mod, about physic, math or other scholastic knowledges, this is a stupid competition and I don't have the age to do this.If you do not wish to participate in a contest of maths then do NOT talk down to us when posting about maths. To avoid this sort of contest all you have to do is admit when you have left your field of expertise. Then, instead of challenges, you get explanations. Believe it or not, the math guru's on this forum LOVE to show off their skillz and will help you to the best of their abilities with any math problems you may have.


This is also why my replies are so concise.Concise is good.


When I wrote about 'hidden knowledge' I was talking about some strange abilities that I ever had since I was child.Do go on.

[serpentoffire]

Subject not dismissed. If yo uthink CT posted anything even remotely close to a personal attack then you dont know me.

No problem, my guardian can reach you in every moment I wish: I have only to hate you enough.



If you do not wish to participate in a contest of maths then do NOT talk down to us when posting about maths.

OK sarcasm is not allowed here.

Solve differential equation or partial derivate is not actually essential for my job. This not means that I don't have knowledge of advanced math or I can't love relativity and quantum phisic. I think that all is energy and phisic and spiritualy are convergent.

[serpentoffire]

I was speaking of, "Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism, ect; floatation tanks, self hypnosis, and subliminal persuasion, as you have in your chart there, your chart which is titled "History of Occultism and the New World order" by including those paths in your diagram, it looks as if you are saying those are related.


I found the chart I showed you in internet while I'm studying about freemasonry. I think it is very explicative and reassemble in one picture all the story of occultism. New age uses a lot of psychopathology studies about human psyche to mind control people (Scientology). Mind control was used in voodoo to do the same. I read that CIA and Nazi started their studies from voodoo rites. New ager use in negative way also Buddism and Hinduism concepts mainly to justify some weird practices.

So the chart explain what the new age movement is really and where they got their ideologies.

[Flynn]

Find the derivative of:

(x^2)sin(x)

I mean, it's just a simple chain rule derivative.

Product rule actually. Chain rule is:

d/dx f(g(x)) = f`(g(x)) g`(x)

you want product rule:

d/dx f(x) g(x) = f`(x) g(x) + f(x) g`(x)

So the answer is:

2xsinx + (x^2)cosx

[iulian28ti]

I found the chart I showed you in internet while I'm studying about freemasonry. I think it is very explicative and reassemble in one picture all the story of occultism. New age uses a lot of psychopathology studies about human psyche to mind control people (Scientology). Mind control was used in voodoo to do the same. I read that CIA and Nazi started their studies from voodoo rites. New ager use in negative way also Buddism and Hinduism concepts mainly to justify some weird practices.

So the chart explain what the new age movement is really and where they got their ideologies.

an still... HOW did the gnostics get there? HOW did the freemasons get there?

this is pure fear. fear of the unknown, of power and powerful people.
you associate power with evil.

the same behavior was presented by the clerics in the inquisition. some brilliant people had brain power, but the clerics were too dumb to use it, or to present it, because they were afraid to give the power to the population.

knowledge is power, and they knew this.

[Nu Kua]

No problem, my guardian can reach you in every moment I wish: I have only to hate you enough.

Now listen to yourself, SoF! See what you have just said! That was basically a threat- "be rude to me and my guardian will find you... then..." ?
A Guardian is supposed to protect you from harm. Actual, real, harm.
If in response to you, a poster is upfront or argumentative, or even if rude and insulting, how would that actually be harmful enough to you, in order to have your guardian seek the poster out... seek that poster out, and then what?

And if you allow hate to build up inside of you over these valid disagreements with your ideology, at which point you'd sic your guardian on a poster for basically refusing to believe as you do, and even more, to argue with you about it- then what does that make you?
From where is the hatred born?

This is very much like what the Church did, to the "heretics": Agree with us, do as we say- no arguments, or ELSE.

These are words on a board, they have no more power other than what you give them. If something is being said to you that causes a strong emotional reaction, it must be touching a nerve. It is showing you a mirror of something that makes you feel very uncomfortable.
Does that make sense?
Maybe, your "higher self" led you here, or rather, you are attracted to sights such as this, filled with non-believers, because there is a part of you that really seeks to have what you are so fearful in believing, debunked?

I think, you are looking for answers yet afraid to even know that you are looking. Because, you are living in fear, and the only thing that is holding you together is the very belief system that created the fear to begin with.

[Cartesiantheater]

Product rule actually. Chain rule is:

d/dx f(g(x)) = f`(g(x)) g`(x)

you want product rule:

d/dx f(x) g(x) = f`(x) g(x) + f(x) g`(x)

So the answer is:

2xsinx + (x^2)cosx

Whoops! But I could say that I meant to write the function as f(x) = (x^2)sin(2x)

which would incorporate the chain rule (as well as the product rule) because you must differentiate the 2x inside the trig function

2x sin (2x) + x^2 2cos (2x)


:D (again, correct me if I'm mistaken)

Thanks for the head's up Flynn. The real math god's are always welcome...

For those who want to know, the partial derivative of this:
f(x,y) = x^4 + 6(y)^(1/2) - 10

With respect to x is (treating y as a constant):

Fx = 4x^3 + 0 - 0 = 4x^3

With respect to y is (treating x as a constant):

Fy =0 + 3/[y^(1/2)] = 3/[y^(1/2)]

...unless I messed up...

The idea is finding the rate of change of a curve in space on one particular plane (that's why you hold one variable constant).



Anyway, the moral of all this is, please do not post difficult looking math equations hoping to intimidate your opposition... because several people here either have degrees in math (Perf) or are in college/university in a math or science field (several of these; dpn't recall everyone, sorry)...


...it's just plain rude anyway, unless you offer a detailed explaination. It's no different that posting in a foriegn language FFS!

[serpentoffire]

Now listen to yourself, SoF! See what you have just said! That was basically a threat- "be rude to me and my guardian will find you... then..." ?.....

I have to stop to make sarcasm here.

[serpentoffire]

this is pure fear. fear of the unknown, of power and powerful people.
you associate power with evil.

No it is no fear. I work for them. Power is power. I have power over my collegues. Evil could be our actions. I could oppress my colleagues (and this is evil) or help them (and this is good).



knowledge is power, and they knew this.
No, the hidden knowledge is more powerful.

[iulian28ti]

No it is no fear. I work for them. Power is power. I have power over my collegues. Evil could be our actions. I could oppress my colleagues (and this is evil) or help them (and this is good).
but you still associate power groups with evil...


No, the hidden knowledge is more powerful.
the hidden knowledge is knowledge which is hidden, or not showed, that's all.

PS: i take your silence and lack of details, or arguments, regarding all observations and affirmations of Nu Kua and mine as a confirmation of our arguments.

[serpentoffire]

but you still associate power groups with evil...

I saw what they do with people and business. The behavior is in black & white mode: compassionately as facade, evil in their businesses.



the hidden knowledge is knowledge which is hidden, or not showed, that's all.

You fail to understand the importance of esoterism inside freemasonry and in general to make business without risks using clairvoyance.



PS: i take your silence and lack of details, or arguments, regarding all observations and affirmations of Nu Kua and mine as a confirmation of our arguments.
What is your age? Really 16yo. Am I talking with a teenager?
There is no reason to give more fire to this discussion.
It is already hot so.

[Flynn]

The idea is finding the rate of change of a curve in space on one particular plane (that's why you hold one variable constant).

Your partials are correct, but this statement doesn't sit well with me. I think it would be more accurate to say it's the rate of change in one particular direction, not plane. So Fx is the rate of change in the i direction, Fy is the rate of change in the j direction, Fz is the rate of change in the k direction. Then you can combine them into a vector <Fx, Fy, Fz> to get the overall rate of change, otherwise known as a gradient.

[DontBeAfraid]

No problem, my guardian can reach you in every moment I wish: I have only to hate you enough.I would like to meet your "guardian". You are insane you know.


What is your age? Really 16yo. Am I talking with a teenager?At what age did you lose your mind? Err I mean, start believing you had special powers?


I have power over my collegues. Evil could be our actions. I could oppress my colleagues (and this is evil) or help them (and this is good). Why should they be your colleagues and not your minions?

[Cartesiantheater]

Your partials are correct, but this statement doesn't sit well with me. I think it would be more accurate to say it's the rate of change in one particular direction, not plane. So Fx is the rate of change in the i direction, Fy is the rate of change in the j direction, Fz is the rate of change in the k direction. Then you can combine them into a vector <Fx, Fy, Fz> to get the overall rate of change, otherwise known as a gradient.

Well, help me here- correct me. What I mean is that calculating a rate of change in a given direction must necessarily imply at least two dimensions, right? For example, following curved path up a mountain will have ups and downs.

When you hold one variable constant, aren't you effictively turning it into a two dimensional cartesian cordinate plane with the dependent variable (say, ∂f/∂x) changing with respect to the independent one (say, x)? (while the other independent variable is held constant)

But wait, I think I get it now. The plane itself that I'm refering to is just a coordinate plane and it is NOT actually changing with respect to any independent variable- only the actual path of the partial derivative is changing.

Besides, you won't have a plane tangent to a three-D curve... lol... unless it's a CURVED plane! :dunno: But of course, that wouldn't be a plane because it would have three dimensions...


Well, thanks again for the math wisdom. It's always quite welcomed amigo.


EDIT- I guess part of my confusion came from the fact that the gradiant is kind of like a slope, but in more than 2-D... so I thought plane... hmm... odd.

[Flynn]

What I mean is that calculating a rate of change in a given direction must necessarily imply at least two dimensions, right? For example, following curved path up a mountain will have ups and downs.
Up and down are extremes of one dimension. Think of a number line. High is the positive end, low is the negative.

Example:

z = f(x, y) where z = height, x = longitude, y = latitude. This function gives you the height of a location. If you take a partial with respect to x then you will see how moving east or west will affect the height while keeping your north/south position constant. Partial with respect to y will tell you how moving north or south affects the height while keeping your east/west position constant. In both of these cases you are simply moving in a specific direction on one of the axis, while keeping your position relative to the other axis the same. Just like moving up and down a number line.


Besides, you won't have a plane tangent to a three-D curve... lol... unless it's a CURVED plane! :dunno: But of course, that wouldn't be a plane because it would have three dimensions...
You can have a plane tangent to a 3 dimensional surface at a specific point.

If you define the surface as z = f(x, y) then the tangent plane at point P = (a, b) is gotten from the equation:

z = f(a, b) + gradient of f at p dotted with <x - a, y - b>

or

x = f(a, b) + fx(a, b)(x - a) + fy(a, b)(y - b)

If you define the surface as f(x, y, z) = k, then the tangent plane at P = (a, b, c) is gotten from the equation:

0 = gradient of f at p dotted with <x - a, y - b, z - c>

or

0 = fx(a, b, c)(x - a) + fy(a, b, c)(y - b) + fz(a, b, c)(z - c)


Example:

A tangent plane at (0, 0, 1) to a sphere F(x, y, z) = x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = 1:

gradient of F = <2x, 2y, 2z>
gradient of Fp = <0, 0, 2>
0 = gradient Fp . <x - 0, y - 0, z - 1> = 0(x - 0) + 0(y - 0) + 2(z - 1)
0 = 2z -2
2 = 2z
1 = z

Which is exactly what you expect it to be.



EDIT- I guess part of my confusion came from the fact that the gradiant is kind of like a slope, but in more than 2-D... so I thought plane... hmm... odd.
I may have inadvertently misled you on the gradient. The gradient points in the direction of the biggest change. So when on a hill, the gradient points in the direction of the highest slope. Using the gradient however you can find the rate of change in any direction. To do that simply dot it with a unit vector of a direction.

Example:

z = f(x, y) = x^2 + y^2 (this basically looks like a bowl shape)
gradient of f = <2x, 2y>
at point P = (1, 1) gradient of f at p = <2, 2>
so, at point P the greatest change is in the direction of the vector <2, 2>
The actual rate of change at P in that direction is 8^(1/2)
if you wanted to know the rate of change at P in the direction of the vector <3, 4> then:
<2, 2> . <3/5, 4/5> = 6/5 + 8/5 = 14/5

If you actually compute the exact values 8^(1/2) = 2.8284... and 14/5 = 2.8.

Like I said the function looks like a bowl, from point (1, 1) you will see the greatest increase in z if you move in the direction <2, 2>, a diagonal line. Imagine a line just going perfectly straight from the bottom of the bowl to the rim. However, if you take a path on an angle, then the height is still changing, just not as fast.

Imagine yourself in front of a hill. If you go straight up the steepest part of the hill thats like following the gradient. You will be increasing your altitude as fast as possible. If you however veer slightly to the right or left then you won't be going up the steepest part of the hill and your altitude won't be increasing as fast.

[DontBeAfraid]

I think what CT meant with

What I mean is that calculating a rate of change in a given direction must necessarily imply at least two dimensions, right?is that to visualize the measurement of the change in something it has to be in relation to something else thus requiring at least a 2d graph Such as the change in a particles velocity. One side must represent time or distance and the other would represent the particles velocity(usually the y axis) at a specifc time or distance(usually the x axis). Without the time axis all you have is a straight line and its not possible to get any information other than simple distance with just a line.

[serpentoffire]

I would like to meet your "guardian". You are insane you know.

I don't know how to respond here. Sarcasm is not allowed.
I think is better to say 'Yes, I'm insane' (but only from your point of view).


At what age did you lose your mind? Err I mean, start believing you had special powers?

I ever had. But now I started to have fun with them. It's nice to feel your reaction and I don't need to be in front of monitor like you. It's my personal bluetooth.



Why should they be your colleagues and not your minions?
Why don't you say slaves? Uh.. It is more appropriate

[DontBeAfraid]

It's nice to feel your reaction and I don't need to be in front of monitor like you. It's my personal bluetooth.Im confused by this statement. Are you saying you dont need a computer to reply to my posts?

[iulian28ti]

You fail to understand the importance of esoterism inside freemasonry and in general to make business without risks using clairvoyance.
Don't you think they encounter problems, even with their special abilities? If they had clairvoyance, they would have either made this world GREAT, or they would have destroyed it already.

You fail to give some solid answers.


I ever had. But now I started to have fun with them. It's nice to feel your reaction and I don't need to be in front of monitor like you. It's my personal bluetooth.
test:
tell me what i wrote on the wall, and what was my state of mind when i wrote it.

[serpentoffire]

Im confused by this statement. Are you saying you dont need a computer to reply to my posts?

I don't need my computer to feel you. I have an immediate notification when you see my posts and the reaction you have. This sound like 'the force' of Stars Wars and I think that somebody put his esoteric knowledge in this movie.

PS
Anyway the story of guardian is true. He have already attacked several persons, but don't worry you aren't in his list. I don't feel that you are a bad person also if you have a scary avatar.

Cheers

[serpentoffire]

If they had clairvoyance, they would have either made this world GREAT, or they would have destroyed it already.

They are advancing very quickly now. Their real target is to fight God. But they will fail. I see a lot of persons that are awakening their supernatural powers. I'm training few of them personally.


You fail to give some solid answers.

What is it solid? Do you think to touch really something when you are typing the keyboard. This world is fully illusive.


test:
tell me what i wrote on the wall, and what was my state of mind when i wrote it.

Stupid question made by a teenager to an adult.

[iulian28ti]

PS
Anyway the story of guardian is true. He have already attacked several persons, but don't worry you aren't in his list. I don't feel that you are a bad person also if you have a scary avatar.
violates the "Guardian concept". Something pretending to protect would never attack. This means your Guardian isn't good after all. In the end, he's pretending.


Stupid question made by a teenager to an adult.
it wasn't a question, it was a request.
you present the same "adult policy" bullshit as many other adults when their ideas are overthrown.
you are someone so engulfed in the belief of spirits that you fail to see your own contradictions.

[serpentoffire]

violates the "Guardian concept". Something pretending to protect would never attack. This means your Guardian isn't good after all. In the end, he's pretending.

A guardian is a guardian, wtf policy are you talking? Btw they protect & guide humans. Protect sometime means also attack (USA government docet about preemptive attacks, No?).



it wasn't a question, it was a request.
you present the same "adult policy" bullshit as many other adults when their ideas are overthrown. you are someone so engulfed in the belief of spirits that you fail to see your own contradictions.

Relax you
Breath in, breath out
and take a beer (if permitted for 16yo in your country)
The way to be adult is long

[Flynn]

I think what CT meant with
is that to visualize the measurement of the change in something it has to be in relation to something else thus requiring at least a 2d graph Such as the change in a particles velocity. One side must represent time or distance and the other would represent the particles velocity(usually the y axis) at a specifc time or distance(usually the x axis). Without the time axis all you have is a straight line and its not possible to get any information other than simple distance with just a line.Yeah, you're right. I just misunderstood what he was getting at at first.

I think I illustrated this in the first example I gave though. Movement on the x or y axis, which represent position, is reflected in the z axis, height.

[Cartesiantheater]

Yeah, you're right. I just misunderstood what he was getting at at first.

I think I illustrated this in the first example I gave though. Movement on the x or y axis, which represent position, is reflected in the z axis, height.


...+ gradient stuff

You know, if we had this conversation just three days ago I'd be a happy man... as on my exam this Tuesday I was asked to find the slope with the swiftest increase... I knew how you get a gradient, and the symbol, and even dotting it with some vector, but I totally blew it on the fact that it IS the fastest slope on the curve, as you said...

Probably lost some points there, although I actually DID use part of the gradient [the z part] (and pluged in some points for some reason)...

DBA, you were pretty close to what I was trying to say, but Flynn's explanations really make it more understandable to me.

Thanks again for the math wizardry Flynn. Again, if only we'd have done this on Monday... :(

[Ningishiddza]

For example the concept of trinity. 'I tried' to reassemble in one chart all the equivalences (maybe with some imprecisions):

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff118/serpentoffire/trinity.gif

Maybe with some imprecisions? The whole thing is wrong and you've proven you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. You're just making it up as you go along.

Islam has no trinity, and to liken catholicism to Islam is an insult to Islams, muslims and the Prophet (Peace be upon Him). Muslims recognize Jesus as an ordinary human of ordinary birth, with no special powers, other than prophecy. Muslims believe that Jesus died, but not in Jerusalem and not until much later in his life (remember, he's a prophet in Islam and was prophecizing long after he allegedly died).

And you used two different transliterations of Yahweh, like we're supposed to be impressed? I'm not.

Baldur and Nanna are husband and wife, not mother and son, and they're Norse, not Celtic. Bel is the father of Nimrod. Bel is Enlil, Nimrod is Ninurta. Tammuz, he's actually in Enki's clan. Baal is also known as Shamash, Nannar, and Sin, depending on the time period.

You don't understand the concept of "trinity." It has nothing to do with the virgin Mary nonsense, and it's unique to catholicism.

Your pathetic and disingenuous attempt to pull together disparate cultures that had no concept of "trinity" in order to prove who knows what point fails.

I have seen that before, it's in the teachings of nazi style fundamentalist and evangelical churches in the US.

[teray2009]

God is my guide as I go for my daily journey in life. He's my provider for all the blessings that I need. The creator of life and the savior of my sins. God is already a part of my life. Without God, I can't exist in this world.