We are what we make??

[Michigander Troll]

How many of you buy into the Pre-adamic civilization? Are these beings the Atlanteans, the Anazazi, the Olmecs? Does this neatly explain how such "primitives" could build the Pyramids, Stonehenge, Nazca lines and Easter Island monoliths?

OR...does this all just neatly explain that a "primitive" was never smart enough to figure out how to make this stuff?

Just because WE can't figure out how they did it, it does not follow that primitive man could not figure it out on his own. He had to do what he had to do with the things on hand.

WE try to figure out what he did with the knowledge of what we have on hand; using modern thought onto primitive means. His modern thought would have been a far cry from our modern thought but it was modern thought all the same. He never had that prior knowledge that we have in trying to figure things out. Without that prior knowledge, he could only to figure out more than what he was able to figure out.

What do you think?

By the way, I'm new here. Howdy! Michigander Troll

[Assassin X]

Good topic! Welcome!

I just think at any time we were smart enough to know what to do at that time. And at present time we can build what we can now, but for some reason we can't figure out what we built THEN. I am not sure why we can't figure out "old" ways of doing it.

I see lots of specials like where they took 500 men and try to build a mini pyramid using ONLY old methods and no modern items, not even eating with modern food (precooked meals...etc). And sometimes we do it but others we don't. Even when we do good we still fail because for some reason we were better at then, then we are now! That always amazes me!

Of course people have to realize we may never be able to figure out things from the past because really old methods really not kept track of since no one really thought about that then.

[RobertRogers]

People are exceedingly smart. 5000 years ago just as smart as today - and many even simple things have been forgotten.

There is no reason given enough time and manpower that these great structures could not be built by these people.

[Fut004]

I think I saw that same "Mini-Pyramid" show, AssX.
Didn't they end up using a Tractor or something at the end to finish it in time?



There is no reason given enough time and manpower that these great structures could not be built by these people


I don't think anybody is really questioning whether or not people build all these things. But you're right about the Time and Manpower thing. Some of these Ancient structures took thousands of people like 100 years to build. That's a lot of dedication to a project. It's weird to think about what their mindset must have been like back there.

I don't think "People" in general were as smart back then as they are now-a-days. (But it's hard to compare that). I always envisioned the ancient construction projects as having like 2 or 3 people who planned it all (the smart ones) and then 5000 people doing back-breaking labour and not knows why or how, just following orders.


Stuff like the Colossus of Rhodes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_of_Rhodes) impresses me more than Pyramids and such though. This statue was over 100 ft tall. How were they able to figure out whether the legs would be strong enough to support the rest of it, how did they know that it'd stand up properly and not topple over in a strong wind?

It seems pretty simple, but it was built in like 300BC.

[johnb1]

People are exceedingly smart. 5000 years ago just as smart as today - and many even simple things have been forgotten.

There is no reason given enough time and manpower that these great structures could not be built by these people.

It is inevitable.....Dan 12:4 Don't Worry the Sum of of it will be DIVIDED into two
SPIRITS GOOD and EVIL..

[Mygeeto]

i beleive we are what we make. since i was young (refer to the "out of body experiences" thread in the paranormal section) i always had visions that as a teenager/young adult, that i would be what i am now

im the kid with the wearing the tank top muscled outsider with a problematic attitude, weight lifting and guitar playing extrodinare, denim and leather wearing long haired biker, i was always the one to stand out in the crowd, generally for all the wrong reasons. i was still the friend to all, the laid back type, but very very quick to anger.
i was the kid who was born to live the high-school/collage life. which brings me to another problem because i always seen myself as the one person who died/commited suicide. which would obviously signify that i was only ment to live for what high school teens did. my take on that is problems would accumulate and snowball and get worse as i got closer to graduation, eventually realising that anything i did from the moment of graduation would never even come close to being as good as even a shithouse day at school. and eventually, just ending it all.

sorry for the long, wierd ass post

[Fut004]

i beleive we are what we make. since i was young (refer to the "out of body experiences" thread in the paranormal section) i always had visions that as a teenager/young adult, that i would be what i am now

im the kid with the wearing the tank top muscled outsider with a problematic attitude, weight lifting and guitar playing extrodinare, denim and leather wearing long haired biker, i was always the one to stand out in the crowd, generally for all the wrong reasons. i was still the friend to all, the laid back type, but very very quick to anger.
i was the kid who was born to live the high-school/collage life. which brings me to another problem because i always seen myself as the one person who died/commited suicide. which would obviously signify that i was only ment to live for what high school teens did. my take on that is problems would accumulate and snowball and get worse as i got closer to graduation, eventually realising that anything i did from the moment of graduation would never even come close to being as good as even a shithouse day at school. and eventually, just ending it all.

sorry for the long, wierd ass post


Not too sure what that has to do with Ancient Civilizations building things that modern day people can't replicate, or with the intelligence of mankind as time progresses.
But nice work.

[TEMELUCHUS]

What kind of question is, We are what we make? Am I missing something here or what? Where are the whole questions on this board and why do I have to read replies in my Email? Hellooooo, anyone want to give a little help here?

[johnb1]

The Thread Topic is really deep to understand if you don't catch-up and extract yourself inner and outer

[lazserus]

In the past decade historians of all disciplines have uncovered wondrous evidence and data to explain history's mysteries. For instance, the ancient Egyptians created the first batteries by combining certain acids and minerals. Stone Henge and the Egyptians pyramids can easily be explained as long as those attempting take objective roles. The Roman aqueducts were only recently explained. The Viking longship also falls within the category. Modern civilization tends to think linearly. We only comprehend what we can do with contemporary technology. We rarely take into consideration the mindset of the peoples of the past. We can't figure out how certain structures were built because we can't perceive the process outside our limited vision. Back in the day it was common. We give ourselves too much credit and tend to keep it from the ancient minds.

[The Fallen]

I don't think "People" in general were as smart back then as they are now-a-days. (But it's hard to compare that). I always envisioned the ancient construction projects as having like 2 or 3 people who planned it all (the smart ones) and then 5000 people doing back-breaking labour and not knows why or how, just following orders.


Stuff like the Colossus of Rhodes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_of_Rhodes) impresses me more than Pyramids and such though. This statue was over 100 ft tall. How were they able to figure out whether the legs would be strong enough to support the rest of it, how did they know that it'd stand up properly and not topple over in a strong wind?

It seems pretty simple, but it was built in like 300BC.

I always looked at it as we have always had the same potential for scientific thought and intelligence, what has changed in the past few thousand years was not our intelligence or our capacity to apply such things as the scientific method, but rather the mindset in which we utilized these skills. In essence, the ancients were just as smart as us, and they were able to do the things which we cant because they looked at the problem from another side of the box, using what they knew they had to work with in that day and age. Someone from our day and age trying to replicate these feats with our mindsets faces a horrible handicap: 90% of what we know is now useless, and 90% of what we would need to know to think like someone from back in that day we do not know or we have an inaccurate perception of.

Oh, and the Colossus of Rhodes kicks ass. My favorite of the ancient wonders.