Would you let your Car drive you to work?

[Fut004]

Cars that drive themselves - even parking at their destination - could be ready for sale within a decade, General Motors Corp. executives say.

GM, parts suppliers, university engineers and other automakers all are working on vehicles that could revolutionize short- and long- distance travel. And Tuesday at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas GM Chief Executive Rick Wagoner will devote part of his speech to the driverless vehicles.

"This is not science fiction," Larry Burns, GM's vice president for research and development, said in a recent interview.


Full Article (http://www.redorbit.com/news/oddities/1206756/driverless_cars_possible_in_10_years_gm_says__this/index.html)

I don't doubt that the technology for this to happen already exists, there's examples of fully automated vehicles all over the place.
What I want to know is whether or not this really what Society is looking for? Cars that drive themselves. To me that just seems like a bad idea. What happens when the computer system malfunctions and people are no longer used to avoiding accidents?

Of course, I'm somebody who actually enjoys driving, so this whole idea is absurd to me. Although, I know a few people who'd I'd rather have sitting inside of a Robot-Car.

[lycanox]

Perhaps the parts on the highway or for parking. But definitely not for driving through and between towns.

There are enough little roads close by that our Navigation system considers safe. But are actually filled with holes or even closed down with iron fences.

I can already see a stranger driving on cruise control through our town and slam straight into one of those.

[Fyhre]

I'm with you, Fut. I love driving my car. Hey, I'd enjoy watching other people get driven around by their cars, though! That'd be a hoot! (Honestly, how would the driverless cars know the road conditions, i.e. icy? When to slow down and such?)

[Fut004]

There are enough little roads close by that our Navigation system considers safe. But are actually filled with holes or even closed down with iron fences.

I can already see a stranger driving on cruise control through our town and slam straight into one of those.

Hopefully the fancy-schmancy radar imaging computer machines will make the car stop before it smacks into an obstacle. I surely wouldn't want to be the test pilot for one of these.

People are fairly dumb though. I remembering reading somewhere before about how often people follow their GPS Nav Computers without thinking, and end up driving into lakes and rivers. If that's an example of how computerized cars and humans are going to work together, then I think it's a bad idea.


I'm with you, Fut. I love driving my car. Hey, I'd enjoy watching other people get driven around by their cars, though!

That'd be interesting, if most of the people on the roads were in automated cars, but a few were still "Free-Driving". I'd assume that the Robot-Cars (not sure what else to call them) would drive exactly the speed limit and stay in one lane, the rest of us would be constantly slaloming through them.


(Honestly, how would the driverless cars know the road conditions, i.e. icy? When to slow down and such?)

I never thought of that actually. That's a really good Point.
Would they be able to feel the slippery roads enough to know when to slow down, or to know not to break heavily?

[Fyhre]

Either way, I think it's a bad idea to "drive" one of these cars anywhere other than a loooooooooong, straight stretch of highway. I wouldn't trust the car to get me anywhere safely in town...especially with all the windy, steep hills that we have here.

[Assassin X]

As much as they show these cars that "now work" I don't care how good they are its still a machine, machines have glitches, machines can break and be fixed or replaced....I can't (well be replaced), well not until cloning comes about. ::p:

[johnb1]

Sure! when it comes to reasonable things I do many good things to fasten my meetings and works I'm tired to see TRAFFIC, "to bad nakaka badtrip "(^^,)

[Fut004]

As much as they show these cars that "now work" I don't care how good they are its still a machine, machines have glitches, machines can break and be fixed or replaced....I can't (well be replaced), well not until cloning comes about. ::p:

"I'm Astro, I can put my Arm back on. You Can't. So Play safe."

That's a good point though. As safe as they can make these things, all it's going to take is a couple cars to flip out/go nuts and take out a whole line of Automated Cars, at Highway speeds that can equal a lot of deaths or injuries.



Sure! when it comes to reasonable things I do many good things to fasten my meetings and works I'm tired to see TRAFFIC, "to bad nakaka badtrip "(^^,)

You must be more Brave than the rest of us.
I mean, I sometimes hate Rush Hour traffic as well, but I don't think I'd trust my commute to a Computer so I could take a Nap in the backseat or something.

[johnb1]

Ai!Ai (^^,) Commander I must not only be be brave I want all of us be braved and have a wise decision making' Now I'm not wise enough I've got a lot more training to go through (^^,) I wish they will release a model oblong disc type in the market (^^,) how much it would be cost?

ahh. let me guess nope! it is not how much? it is a sacrifice like in "shambala FMA' anime. only cartoons don't believe! it it's just an example

[DontBeAfraid]

What happens when the computer system malfunctions and people are no longer used to avoiding accidents?
LOL.... these cars would reduce the CURRENT accident rate to a nearly non existant level and the few "errors" would be overly easy to analyze as the computers actions and decisions would most certainly be easy to pull up.

As far as road conditions go... well, we have sensors that tell the traffic light whats up and we have road maintainance going on 24/7 almost everywhere all the time..... Seems a very simple thing to install more and varied sensors. And the power of computer processing literally DOUBLES every 18 months so to think that any human will be able to drive a tenth as well as a robot car for very much longer is just wishful thinking.

Ill take the robot driver AND the nap that it allows me to take enroute.

[Fyhre]

To see the title of the thread, then the screen name of the last member who posted in the thread (DontBeAfraid) is true irony. (I'm sorry, but I'd be afraid!)

[Cartesiantheater]

Only problem I have with it is, where does recreational driving fit in to all this?

[Fyhre]

Perhaps it can wired to actually "hear" a GPS system...

[Fut004]

Only problem I have with it is, where does recreational driving fit in to all this?

The cars would need a Manual Overdrive or something. That'd enable people to drive Normally when they wanted to.
Didn't "Demolision Man" have something like that, where the steering wheel shrank down when the Humans weren't driving?
I know I've seen a scene in a movie with "Self-Drive enabled" being said by a computer car thing.

The problem with that is that electronics always fuck up. We all know they do.
Even though DBA seems to think that it's unlikely, all it would take is one car to lose it's automation and there'd be a huge pile-up on the highways.



Perhaps it can wired to actually "hear" a GPS system...

So the whole time you're driving you'd hear the Car communicating with itself?
"Turn Left here."
"Turning Left- Beep Boop" (Computer's always beep and stuff when they talk.)

Even if it had a built in GPS system, I'd still be nervous about it.
When I'm less lazy I'll look up stats for GPS related accidents.
Or people can take the initiative and find some for me.

[Fyhre]

I just Googled "GPS related accidents" and it didn't return much. Sorry Fut, but as the old saying goes...if you want something done right, you've gotta do it yourself.

[lycanox]

There was an incident last week where someone was directed to drive on a railway.
Resulting in the tragic loss of his car.


One of the biggest issue i think is that computers don't recognize intentions.
If the radar spots something next to the road. It could be a normal bush. It could however just as easily a child playing with a ball.

Will the computer be able to recognize the child with the ball and reduce speed just in case the girl suddenly jumps on the street to catch the ball?

[Nu Kua]

I don't like the idea of it at all, only because I think we already, as a species living in an over-developed society, are using so much less of our brains that we are collectively becoming dumber. Too much of the stuff we do already requires very little thought, here in Insta-life.

[Fut004]

There was an incident last week where someone was directed to drive on a railway.
Resulting in the tragic loss of his car.

That raises a good question actually.
How many times do you think the Nav-Computer tells people to turn somewhere dangerous (ie. Railway tracks, off a bridge..etc) and the person recognizes that it's a danger and avoids it?

If it were completely up to the computer, it'd automatically turn into the DANGER ZONE, while the occupants sat comfortably in ignorant bliss, unknowing that they were about to get smooshed by a train... Or something.

Sure maybe Humans can't react as fast as these Super-computers of the future, but then again, we can actually think, observe and avoid potential hazards.




Will the computer be able to recognize the child with the ball and reduce speed just in case the girl suddenly jumps on the street to catch the ball?

Nice. That's a good point.
Even if the Sensors could determine something was moving, like a child on the sidewalk, would it get confused by a plastic bag blowing in the wind?
Who wants their super-automated-car of the future to be slowing down everytime the wind blows?


I just Googled "GPS related accidents" and it didn't return much. Sorry Fut, but as the old saying goes...if you want something done right, you've gotta do it yourself.

Damn. Now I have to stop being lazy.
Well, at least you apparently tried to help me out. Brownie points for that.

You know what though?
After searching and searching the only stories I can find are all about GPS's giving people dumb directions and people blindly following the command.
What's this world coming to?

The day my GPS Device tells me to drive through a lake is the day that I sue the company for making such a piece of shit.

Anyhow, there's only random stories here and there, nothing worth quoting.

I guess this isn't as common an occurance as I thought. Interesting.

[Cartesiantheater]

The cars would need a Manual Overdrive or something. That'd enable people to drive Normally when they wanted to.
Didn't "Demolision Man" have something like that, where the steering wheel shrank down when the Humans weren't driving?
I know I've seen a scene in a movie with "Self-Drive enabled" being said by a computer car thing.

Yeah, it was "Demolision man."


The problem with that is that electronics always fuck up. We all know they do.
Even though DBA seems to think that it's unlikely, all it would take is one car to lose it's automation and there'd be a huge pile-up on the highways.

The question is, however, do machines fuck up more than people? Probably depends on the machines, of course, but that seems to be the major question for me.

[lycanox]

On logical questions, the computer is just as correct as the date it has access too.
However, Humans just aren't logical beings. And as a result, traffic also aren't.
Even if all cars use auto drive. The pedestrians will probably cause problems.

Wasn't that self drive thing in the movie "I robot".

[DontBeAfraid]

The problem with that is that electronics always fuck up. We all know they do.No, machines do EXACTLY what we tell them to do. All errors are human created. In a robust system a single car making a mistake is simply "accounted for" when the other cars go to make their decisions. Look at the way current video game AI works. Multi organism AI is freaking astounding and its not a hugely complex thing to transfer this into our cars.

[Skynet12]

Didnt jeremy Clarkson rectify this on Top Gear last year?

[Fut004]

No, machines do EXACTLY what we tell them to do. All errors are human created.

There's no way you can believe that.
You've never had your computer just randomly do something it's not supposed to?
My computer in my office spent an entire week just randomly shutting itself down.
I didn't do anything differently to it to cause this, and I didn't do anything to correct it, yet it no longer does it.

I think they call this a "Glitch". They do happen, and they're not Human Created.

Also, what about weird things like Power Surges or interuptions? Things like that can cause problems to computers. I'd really hate to be trapped in 2 tonnes of steel cruising down a highway at 100km/h when there's an electrical problem and the vehicle jets off a cliff.




In a robust system a single car making a mistake is simply "accounted for" when the other cars go to make their decisions. Look at the way current video game AI works. Multi organism AI is freaking astounding and its not a hugely complex thing to transfer this into our cars.

How can it be Accounted For? If an error occurs in which a vehicle does something completely random, how can the System expect it?

As for your Game AI comment, you've never done something out of the ordinary in a game and caused a bunch of glitches?
Like parking a vehicle in a pathway used by the Bots, only to have the Bots stand there, pressed up against it running in place?



Didnt jeremy Clarkson rectify this on Top Gear last year?

Ummm.. I don't know. Did he?



On logical questions, the computer is just as correct as the date it has access too.
However, Humans just aren't logical beings. And as a result, traffic also aren't.
Even if all cars use auto drive. The pedestrians will probably cause problems.


Yeah, exactly. Like it was said above, will the computer systems know how to tell a person on the sidewalk apart from a Mailbox?
As a human driving you can see the person standing there, and anticipate that they could potentially step out in front of you.



Wasn't that self drive thing in the movie "I robot".

"I Robot" was a shitfest, they probably did do Autodrive thing too though.

[Nu Kua]

I KNOW I used to have a computer that was obviously possessed by Satan, and it hated me with a passion.

I think I heard it screaming as we finally hauled it away to the dump.

[DontBeAfraid]

You've never had your computer just randomly do something it's not supposed to?Randomly? I dont think you know the definition of the word. Computers never do anything randomly, Its simply an impossibility for them. They cant even generate truly random numbers. I have had a computer exhibit some "undesirable" behavior but it was certainly not random and far from unexplainable or unfixable.


My computer in my office spent an entire week just randomly shutting itself down.
I didn't do anything differently to it to cause this, and I didn't do anything to correct it, yet it no longer does it.Im sure you are something you did caused the problem. Or perhaps if its a shared computer it was something someone else did. Either way the computer was only doing EXACTLY what it was told to do. It doesnt have a chioce.



Also, what about weird things like Power Surges or interuptions? Things like that can cause problems to computers. I'd really hate to be trapped in 2 tonnes of steel cruising down a highway at 100km/h when there's an electrical problem and the vehicle jets off a cliff.It would still "jet off a cliff" far less often than the average human driver would. You know that planes are flown almost entirely by AI right?


How can it be Accounted For? If an error occurs in which a vehicle does something completely random, how can the System expect it?A computer can REACT to it far far faster than any human. And can do so with far fewer mistakes.


As for your Game AI comment, you've never done something out of the ordinary in a game and caused a bunch of glitches?
Like parking a vehicle in a pathway used by the Bots, only to have the Bots stand there, pressed up against it running in place?I think that happened to me once when I was playing some racing game on my atari2600 about a hundred years ago. If you want a decent measure of how good the AI is now you need to play simulation games. Hell even some of the slightly older arcade style cops and robbers games AI make better drivers than most people. With the new GTR its nearly impossible for me to successfully wreck one of the bots cars even when I dont care about what happens to my own. They are just great drivers.


Yeah, exactly. Like it was said above, will the computer systems know how to tell a person on the sidewalk apart from a Mailbox?
As a human driving you can see the person standing there, and anticipate that they could potentially step out in front of you.OK mister last century; not only can computers tell the difference between people and mailboxes but many can tell one person from another with facial recognition programs.

to drive this home: The prefix Giga!
Giga stands for BILLION! a 1 Gigahertz processor makes 1 BILLION decisions per SECOND.
The raw power of computers DOUBLES about every 18 months. That means that in another eighteen months your argument will only be half as meaningful and in three years only a quarter.

[Fut004]

Randomly? I dont think you know the definition of the word. Computers never do anything randomly, Its simply an impossibility for them. They cant even generate truly random numbers. I have had a computer exhibit some "undesirable" behavior but it was certainly not random and far from unexplainable or unfixable.

You're such a knob sometimes, DBA.
RANDOM as in "You" didn't know that the computer was going to do something strange, and "you" didn't know when that strange occurrence was going to happen.
That is Random. How can you even try to say that it's not?

Computers aren't as perfect as you'd like to believe. They fuck up all the time.





Im sure you are something you did caused the problem. Or perhaps if its a shared computer it was something someone else did. Either way the computer was only doing EXACTLY what it was told to do. It doesnt have a chioce.

I like how you automatically defend the computer.
So you're telling me that "Somebody" told the computer to shut itself down 3 times in one day, not once the next day, twice the day after that, not again for 3 more days, then 5 times after that...etc... etc.. ??

Yeah, that makes sense.

I'm the only one who uses that Computer, so I know that nobody was mucking around with it. Also, I never told our IT dept about the problem, so I know they didn't check it out and fix it. Yet the computer hasn't shut itself down in months.

But I suppose the all powerful computer machine is just following orders.




It would still "jet off a cliff" far less often than the average human driver would. You know that planes are flown almost entirely by AI right?
You know that planes don't fly in extremely crowded skies right?
What's the minimum distance that they have to maintain between each other?
If a plane veers off course a little bit in the sky is doesn't matter, because there's nothing to hit.
If a car is in rush hour traffic and it veers off course a bit it has the potential to hit numerous objects.


I was watching an episode of "Jetstream" last week. During the show the pilots had their first Solo fights in F-18's. The one pilots Flight Control System continued to malfuntion during his flight. The only way he was able to fix it was to shut the entire system down, wait a second then boot it back up. It didn't really matter much because he was at 30,000 ft, he just coasted along while all this was happening.
After it happened a few times, he called into the tower and they told him to bring it in to fix it.

Again, picture this happening in a car, on a busy highway.




OK mister last century; not only can computers tell the difference between people and mailboxes but many can tell one person from another with facial recognition programs.

If the car can recognize the difference between a mailbox and a child, that's great. What if the child is holding a ball, will the computer be prepared to avoid it if it runs out, or will it only know to avoid it once the child steps out onto the street?
Will it automatically slow down every time it sees a child? That'd be annoying as shit.

The computers that you seem to have a hard-on for will still be driving a normal vehicle. The system can react faster than a human but the car may not be able to stop in time.

As a human driver, I can actually THINK. I can see a kid with a ball on the side of the street, and I can move over slightly, I can slow down as my discretion.

[DontBeAfraid]

I like how you automatically defend the computer.
So you're telling me that "Somebody" told the computer to shut itself down 3 times in one day, not once the next day, twice the day after that, not again for 3 more days, then 5 times after that...etc... etc.. ??Yes, the computer can not choose to do anything; it must be given explicit instructions to do so. Maybe you downloaded some malware.


You know that planes don't fly in extremely crowded skies right?
What's the minimum distance that they have to maintain between each other?
If a plane veers off course a little bit in the sky is doesn't matter, because there's nothing to hit.
If a car is in rush hour traffic and it veers off course a bit it has the potential to hit numerous objects.I want you to find and download a stupid little time waster called "sand" or something like that, anyways its a little thing where sand flows from the top of your screen to the bottom and you set up silly little obsticles and schemes to which the sand reacts. Your single computer will keep track of tens of thousands of individual grains of sand and fully control them all..... To suggest that the cars on the road are more complex than this is quite silly.


blah blah blah...
Again, picture this happening in a car, on a busy highway.The other cars can adjust themselves to the abnormality. Remember; giga means BILLION!


What if the child is holding a ball, will the computer be prepared to avoid it if it runs out, or will it only know to avoid it once the child steps out onto the street?
Will it automatically slow down every time it sees a child? That'd be annoying as shit.At a mere billion operations per second the car can travel full speed and still react to changing conditions in about a millionth of a second. Thats about a million times faster than most people.


The computers that you seem to have a hard-on for will still be driving a normal vehicle. The system can react faster than a human but the car may not be able to stop in time.And a person could make the car stop faster somehow? You know that ABS systems completely remove the procedure of stopping on ice from the driver and complete the stop with cpu's that read data from sensors about a million times per second right? You should also note that it has been conclusively proven that ABS systems outperform humans as well.


As a human driver, I can actually THINK. I can see a kid with a ball on the side of the street, and I can move over slightly, I can slow down as my discretion.lol, so can a computer, only it can do it far faster and far more accurately than you can. Again the proof is in the video games.

[Fut004]

It's really quite pointless to discuss anything computer related with you, DBA.
Not only do you have a raging hard-on for them, you seem to think that Computers are ever knowing, all powerful, completely sentient and probably produce milk to feed infants.

Your whole point is that computers are better than people. But you seem to forget that you'll never be eliminating the Human Element from the Automated-Vehicle. Humans will be building them, Humans will be Servicing them, Humans will be using them for transportation, and Humans will be walking and interacting among them. That's four places/times for us faulty humans to somehow harm and screw up the workings of your precious computers.

Also, if computers are as advanced and as perfect as you claim they are, why does the Article say that Automatic-Vehicles are several years away (10yrs I believe it was)? Why aren't we going to see them in say, 18 months when you say that all computers will be Giga-tastic?

[DontBeAfraid]

Not only do you have a raging hard-on for them, you seem to think that Computers are ever knowing, all powerful, completely sentient and probably produce milk to feed infants.Reread my posts; I have made it quite clear that computers are the farthest thing from sentient. They can do ONLY what they are programmed to do. You are the one saying they can do otherwise.


Your whole point is that computers are better than people.My point is that they perform better than humans in nearly every task that both can do.


But you seem to forget that you'll never be eliminating the Human Element from the Automated-Vehicle. Humans will be building them, Humans will be Servicing them, Humans will be using them for transportation, and Humans will be walking and interacting among them.I emboldened the part of your statement which will remain true. The rest need not.


Also, if computers are as advanced and as perfect as you claim they are, why does the Article say that Automatic-Vehicles are several years away (10yrs I believe it was)? Why aren't we going to see them in say, 18 months when you say that all computers will be Giga-tastic?There are actually prototypes in existence already(military and bulk transportation). The ten year lag is for infrastructure development and further refinement of the process. The stuff the military is working on is able to drive indepentantly; that is, without input from external sensors like satellites or road markers. That it is takes pictures of its environment and analyze them when "deciding" what to next. Perfecting that tech is a good ten years away, but simple automated cars for regular driving does not need that kind of independence, it will work with tons of networked censors and other stimuli. Its not hard to put rfid's in things like milemarkers, speedbumps, cars... or anything really. Cars and intersections and whatnot can easily use lasers and other means to maintain a perfectly accurate description of the moment which can be broadcast and rebroadcast to all the computers that will need it to negotiate their environment. And since its a network of highly capable computers they can easily react to anomalies such as a car dying or a person stepping into the road or walking too closely to the road. Hell, with the network, these cars would be aware of changing road conditions far beyond what a human driver can see visually, in theory they could see the conditions for every part of their trip from any part of their trip... and rebroadcast it to the others that need the information.

Yes, the number of traffic accidents would be reduced by a magnitude of order.

[Fut004]

But you seem to forget that you'll never be eliminating the Human Element from the Automated-Vehicle. Humans will be building them, Humans will be Servicing them, Humans will be using them for transportation, and Humans will be walking and interacting among them.
I emboldened the part of your statement which will remain true. The rest need not.

Dude, What the fuck year are you living in?

Intelligent Robots Creating and Building other different intelligent Robots? AND Robots taking over as Mechanics at all Service Shops.
Yeah, that's really only a few years off.

Let me know if Cyberdyne is looking for somebody to draft the plans for their Lab, I could use some extra money.

[DontBeAfraid]

Intelligent Robots Creating and Building other different intelligent Robots? You should know that most cars are already built almost entirely by robots.... Hell everything that requires any high degree of precision is already done by robots.

edit: for the record though, many of thses robots still require a human to hit the green start button.

[Fut004]

You should know that most cars are already built almost entirely by robots.... Hell everything that requires any high degree of precision is already done by robots.

edit: for the record though, many of thses robots still require a human to hit the green start button.

The Robots that build cars are nowhere near intelligent. They perform like a Toaster, hit the on switch and it does it's task, then repeat.

Humans are still a big part of Automotive manufacturing, (I have two friends that used to work in factories building parts for Vehicles) and humans comprise pretty much all of the Service industry. I'd love to see the day that I pull into a Just-Lube and have R2-D2 change my Oil, but it's not going to happen anytime soon.

Is there a single industry on Earth that actually has a computer Diagnose AND Manually repair broken vehicles or equipement?

[DontBeAfraid]

Is there a single industry on Earth that actually has a computer Diagnose AND Manually repair broken vehicles or equipment?Not yet, but the technology is there. And since you arent yet willing to accept a car factory being mostly automated Ill move onto the realm of computer chips: At 45 nanometers, its best for the robots making the wafers to keep humans as far back as possible. I have a nice chunk of experience programming computers and I can promise you that even though, the act of driving a car from point A to point B is not super simple its still a task that we have already taught computers t odo successfully.
The programming knowhow is in place.
The technology is in place.
The testing has been underway for a long time now.
The last piece of the puzzle is simply to undo the damage Hollywood has done to peoples confidence in machines.

You know that given the delay between us and the mars rover that it actually is mostly self automated right? The same is true for almost all of our space objects.


They perform like a Toaster, hit the on switch and it does it's task, then repeat.Then we agree; machines can only do what they are made to do.

[Cartesiantheater]

Then we agree; machines can only do what they are made to do.

Until poor maintanence compounds entropy and it all goes to hell...

[flounatic]

Wouldn't that just make people lazier? But on the other hand, it could be prosperous. If the technology would be more perfect than a human's brain and reactional skills then it might eventually be a good thing in terms of lowering the risks of accidents, and overall deaths and injuries.

[olddragon]

Wouldn't that just make people lazier? But on the other hand, it could be prosperous. If the technology would be more perfect than a human's brain and reactional skills then it might eventually be a good thing in terms of lowering the risks of accidents, and overall deaths and injuries.

Yes, it would save a few slugs....

[medicvet]

There is no way no how that I would ever let a machine do my automobile driving for me.

[Mezurashi]

There is no way no how that I would ever let a machine do my automobile driving for me.

sadly I deal with drivers (at work) on a regular basis and I have to say that I would be the first to applaud Robot Autopilots based on How I see the Majority of people driving.

the majority of folk I see are self-centered predators who will endanger children and the elderly in order to 'get their parking spot' or some other such inane nonsense.

the level of personal selfishness that abound on the roads is astounding - I am surprised there aren't hundreds of fatalities per day on all the major roadways.

as long as people drive like predatory no-minds I support AutoPilots ...

[Blu-ray]

LOL... I keep reading the title of this thread as "Would you let your Cat drive you to work?" LOL I guess you could say I have pussy on the brain...

Double Entandre's can be so much fun!!! LOL

Ok... I'll go away now...

/me hangs head in shame

[Cartesiantheater]

Wouldn't that just make people lazier? But on the other hand, it could be prosperous. If the technology would be more perfect than a human's brain and reactional skills then it might eventually be a good thing in terms of lowering the risks of accidents, and overall deaths and injuries.

Did the invention of the plow make humans lazier? Or did it simply allow humans to apply themselves to other (more intellectual) problems? :wink:

[olddragon]

Did the invention of the plow make humans lazier? Or did it simply allow humans to apply themselves to other (more intellectual) problems? :wink:

So their brains got bigger, along with their ass......:doh: