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mattbrowne
Jan 20th, 2008, 12:32 PM
Do you know the reason why so many people prefer to remain in a state of denial over global warming?

My assumption is that global warming is real. The evidence is overwhelming especially when you look at temperature changes of the oceans. Determining the causes is challenging because the climate is a very complex system. It may well be possible that natural cycles also add to the effect and there is a set of greenhouse gases, not only CO2, mainly water vapor and methane.

So is man-made global warming true? How can we determine truth? I like the notion of the so-called "truth filters".

In the book: "Revolutionary Wealth" by Alvin & Heidi Toffler 2006 Chapter 19, FILTERING TRUTH, lists six commonly used filters people use to find the "truth". They are: (I found this on the web but also own the book)

1. Consensus
2. Consistency
3. Authority
4. Mystical revelation or religion
5. Durability
6. Science

As the Tofflers say: "Science is different from all the other truth-test criteria. It is the only one that itself depends on rigorous testing." They go on to say: "In the time of Galileo . . . the most effective method of discovery was itself discovered." [i.e. science.] The Tofflers also say that: "The invention of scientific method was the gift to humanity of a new truth filter or test, a powerful meta-tool for probing the unknown and for spurring technological change and economic progress." All of the difference in the way we live now compared to the way people lived and died 500 years ago is due to science.

Well, suppose we are only 80% sure (or even less) that man-made contribution is significant, should we really risk getting back to business as it was before? Continue releasing all those huge amounts of stored carbon into our atmosphere? Enjoy the wine and the swimming pools in Northern Canada and Siberia? Find out what happens if there are 1000 ppm CO2 in the air? Never in the last 650,000 years has this number risen so sharply than it is right now. We know this from ice core research.

Getting back to business as it was before would be a daring experiment. Daring to say the least. The majority of scientists tell politicians to stay on the safe side. Avoid the risks. Al Gore is a charismatic leader helping the majority of scientists. This is why he earned the Nobel Prize.

I also found this on the web and find it quite interesting:

Have you ever been in a situation where you're talking with friends and the conversation turns to global warming? It's hard to be an expert. Sometimes it's hard to even show the slightest bit of concern without being met with with skepticism.

Compiled here are some of the most commonly heard myths explained.

"The current warming cycle is natural; the earth has been warming and cooling for millions of years."

What we are experiencing today is not natural. It's true the earth goes through long cycles of warm and cold periods due to small variations in the planet's tilt and rotation. But science tells us the climate change we are experiencing does not fit the planetary cycle. We are beyond anything the planetary cycle would account for.

"A temperature rise of 1 degree is inconsequential, and the predicted rise of 2-3 degrees is barely anything."

Actually 1 degree C (1.7 F) of average temperature increase already is causing sea level to rise and ecosystems to shift. And, temperatures are rising faster at the poles, with more severe consequences such as the rapid melting of polar ice caps. A degree or two more will only make these impacts worse.

"Humans are only responsible for a small amount of the carbon dioxide that goes into the atmosphere each year, so the warming must be natural."

Human activity is releasing carbon that has been trapped in the ground for millions of years and is upsetting the balance of the Carbon Cycle. Unlike when the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock, today people annually release 7 gigatons of CO2, largely a result of burning fossil fuels, which has increased the CO2 in the atmosphere by 37% in 200 years.

"The warming we have seen is due mostly to the sun."
For the last 30 years, while the earth's temperature has been rapidly rising, the sun has shown no trend of increased solar radiation. There simply isn't any reliable study showing the sun's intensity has increased, causing the climate to warm.

"We cannot even accurately predict the weather a week from now, how can we believe we can predict what will happen 50 years from today?"

"Weather" and "climate" are very different terms. A weather prediction is a short term outlook of an hour, a day or perhaps a week. Predicting weather is often challenging because temperature, precipitation and other factors are constantly changing. Analysis of the climate, however, involves studying weather patterns over months, seasons, decades, or even centuries. Long-term climate analysis helps determine activities such as what crops to plant for a given region and when to harvest them. Future climate projections are based on historical data.

"Scientists only have 145 years of temperature data; this is not enough long enough to draw accurate conclusions."

More information on past conditions exists than modern human measurements. Humans have been tracking direct temperature measurements for the last 145 years with the use of thermometers and satellites. Scientists are also able to measure past temperatures going back many thousands of years with a high degree of accuracy from ice core and ocean floor samples.

"Ice is building up in central Antarctica, so global warming is not happening."
Ice is building up in central Antarctica, but being lost on the edges and being lost very rapidly in Greenland. The loss of ice from Greenland has doubled in the past 10 years, and Antarctic glaciers have been retreating over the past half century. There are some reports of "Antarctic cooling," but cooling in one region does not change the fact that globally, temperatures are rising.

"In the 1970s scientists were predicting a coming ice age. Now they turn around and say the globe is warming."

Unfortunately, this myth is a product of the popular press in the 1970s misinterpreting scientific findings. There was no widespread belief among scientists at the time that we were entering a period of cooling.

"During the 1940s and 1950s the earth's temperature went down, even while CO2 rose. Therefore, CO2 is not connected to global warming."

The scientific community now understands that air pollution (dust, smoke, chemicals) was masking the impact of increased greenhouse gases. Also, the amount of increased CO2 was much less as recently as three or four decades ago.

"The U.S. is actually a net sink (or absorber) of CO2."

The U.S. emits one-third of all CO2 today. A small amount is absorbed by soil annually, but it does not offset the release from burning fossil fuels.

"The 'hockey stick' graph, which is the basis for the claim of global warming, is proven to be flawed."

Scientists have used thousands of independent pieces of evidence gathered over decades to determine that global warming is primarily a result of human activities. So it is wholly false to argue that one graph is the basis for global warming. The "hockey stick" controversy is a complicated issue revolving around statistics and modeling techniques.

--
Matt Browne
My webpage is at http://www.meet-matt-browne.com

"As a race, we survive on planet Earth purely by geological consent." Bill McGuire

Glacial Ridge
Jan 20th, 2008, 2:00 PM
Matt have you checked out the Earth Changes thread yet? Lots of good info and discussion on climate changes there. Lots of mechanisms involved tooooooooooooooooooooo.

<Quote MattBrowne>"The warming we have seen is due mostly to the sun."
For the last 30 years, while the earth's temperature has been rapidly rising, the sun has shown no trend of increased solar radiation. There simply isn't any reliable study showing the sun's intensity has increased, causing the climate to warm.


http://forums.armageddononline.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=546&stc=1&d=1200859039


Sunspot cycles are just one of many mechanisms in the current Earth Changes we are experiencing.

ryangti
Jan 20th, 2008, 10:39 PM
Like canaries in a mine, this is an early warning
Read this if you like, im in no denial thats something is up
3 days of severe gales and heavy rain, dull skies and mild and its january?
One of these days, one world leader or another is going to say: “You know what? It’s bloody serious, this global warming business.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article3187616.ece
Truth is no one wants to admit all talk and no action,especially those who in power.
It costs too much,i cant give up my car,i will live how i want to live.
Yep thats human until its up close and personal,we are witnessing something that modern man hasnt witnessed on such a scale as we see now.

alpha
Jan 21st, 2008, 8:52 AM
This says it all for me, well a lot anyway:


Climate change will be considered a joke in five years time, meteorologist Augie Auer told the annual meeting of Mid Canterbury Federated Farmers in Ashburton this week.

"We're all going to survive this. It's all going to be a joke in five years," he said.

"It is time to attack the myth of global warming," he said.
Water vapour was responsible for 95 per cent of the greenhouse effect
The other greenhouse gases
contributed only five per cent of the effect, carbon dioxide being by far the greatest contributor at 3.6 per cent.
carbon dioxide as a result of man's activities was only 3.2 per cent of that, hence only 0.12 per cent of the greenhouse gases in total
Human-related methane, nitrogen dioxide and CFCs
0.066, 0.047 and 0.046 per cent respectively

"That ought to be the end of the argument, there and then," he said.

"We couldn't do it (change the climate) even if we wanted to because water vapour dominates."

"It's become a witch-hunt; a Salem witch-hunt," he said.


as Glacial says, spend some time going through the Earth Changes thread and in particular what Protostar is talking about; Spaceweather especially. We should be more worried about space debris than CO2 that we puny humans produce. There's overwhelming proof in there looking at changes in Earth's magnetic field, topology, Glacial Isostatic Adjustment, Sun activity, flares, black holes, theories on pole shift and gulf stream switch off. CO2 has nothing to do with climate change, that lot does!

There is so much science on this subject and so much media driven hype and confusion you could write the next conspiracy book about it!

If NASA and the Gov't sponsored research organisations of the US are warning us of a cooling period I think you should take heed : http://www.spaceandscience.net/id16.html

ryangti
Jan 21st, 2008, 7:12 PM
United Flight Diverted to Denver After 10 People Injured by Turbulence.
This is normal and usually does not affect the aircraft much.
This is the second incident that i have come across,is the turbulence getting stronger?
Is something affecting it more than usual.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324386,00.html

alpha
Jan 22nd, 2008, 8:20 AM
have you caught up in the Earth Changes thread MattBrowne? or are you still reading and digesting? still think we're the cause of global warming?