What would it take for you to believe in a god?

[lotrfan55345]

A Question for atheists. For something to take me to believe in god is that me and a bunch of other atheists go in a blank room and a god appears before me. Then he gives me my dream computer. He performs a miracle that can't be explainable like he pulls the moon closer or something. Then for the next 10 years, I get what ever I want and also, he kills Dubya with his magical powers. Now that is what it would take mo to believe in a god.



(edit by dutchie: lotrfan, hit the SpellCheck button from time2time: to believe is with an 'e' in the middle...)

[mickydoolittle]

How very self serving of you.

But then again, it's your definition of what it takes for 'your' god to prove itself to you....

[lotrfan55345]

:evil: :evil: :evil:

[SJGee]

This is a good question - it made me think for a long time before I came to any sort of answer.

My first thought was that I would expect some kind of miracle. Like a desert being changed to a tropical jungle or something.

But this then lead my thoughts somewhere elsewhere. If I saw that miracle on my own, and I then believed in God, then I would be like the millions of other people in the world who all ready believe but cannot prove his/her existence. Would I feel the need to spread the word or keep the secret to myself?

Furthermore, if I knew God existed, how could I then cope with all the terrible things that go in in the world? Would I really have to agree that God is justified in allowing all these actions?

I wouldn't want God to exist.

My head is now spinning!!!!!:Prof:

[lazserus]

God is a paradox. Well, At least the Christian view of God is paradoxical. The problem with miracles is that it requires divine intervention in the universe. If God exists and created the universe, it was obviously done with a set of rules, hence the laws of physics. For God to actually intervene, he would have to break some of these laws. If the laws weren't broken, then it wouldn't be a miracle. If God breaks his own rules, then God is fallible. This means God is capable of making mistakes. If God is capable of making mistakes, what makes him God? You see the cycle here? It's a paradox.

What would it take for me to know God exists? I'd have to die and see for myself.

[Mensa Genius]

He performs a miracle that can't be explainable like he pulls the moon closer or something. Then for the next 10 years, I get what ever I want and also, he kills Dubya with his magical powers. Now that is what it would take mo to belive in a god.

lotrfan55345 it sounds like what you are describing here would be the devil giving you these things rather than God... It just came to mind that the devil offered Jesus the world and Jesus refused proclaiming it was not his to have.

[lotrfan55345]

Hence the ":evil: " symbols.

[Victoria]

Paradox:crazy: Lets recap... If something were to give reason of anything that seems unbelievable, would that be credible? Enough to question? Infinity, can if it ever make sense?...of time???

[dutchie]

Following lotrfan's line of reasoning: Yes that's self serving, but I must admit those would do the trick for me too.

No, just kidding....
I would believe that God existed, if she appeared before me and kicked all sorts of evil, starvation and suffering in the universe to oblivion in a split second. Then she would grant eternal life to all living beings + the ability to travel unmeasurable distances through space and time in a split second. She would tell me that the crucifiction never took place (It was a ghastly story anyway, but made great PR), hand me a signed contract that all these changes would be permanent for all eternity.

Afterwards we'd have drinks and great sex...:crazy: :toast:

Now, wouldn't that be something?!?

Helloooo, wakey, wakey everybody!!!:sleepin:

[Victoria]

That would be awfully nice for you!:thumbs:

[SeekNDestroy]

So you need something utterly impossible to believe in God... How about the fact that there is anything at all. Physics tells us something can't come from nothing, but here we are.

[DontBeAfraid]

I have already explained how That logic fails me mike.

[SeekNDestroy]

Yeah yeah, and I explained why your logic fails me. :)

[dutchie]

So you need something utterly impossible to believe in God... How about the fact that there is anything at all. Physics tells us something can't come from nothing, but here we are.

Hey, for God this is a breeze! Childs play! She can do anything! Why then should we ask for no evidence and still believe? That's logic for you.:smokin:

[jashhash1]

I think that what he is trying to say is that the existance of matter in the universe is the proof that God exists. Therefore to ask for further proof would be a redundancy.

[DontBeAfraid]

sorry mike but my logic is infallable, and I would know.:lol:

The fact that there is matter in the universe proves only that there is matter in the universe.

[DarkAce]

If I were God I would smite some of you for the hell of it. I'm not a freaking genie to grant you wishes. Ungrateful bastards:p

[mickydoolittle]

:lol: :rollin: :lol: :rollin: :lol:

DA - That's so very FUNNY! HA!

[VegasRonin]

Frickin DarkAce!! hahahaha.....:lol: :Bott:

[Mensa Genius]

The fact that there is matter in the universe proves only that there is matter in the universe

I am afraid everything has an opposite.There is anti-matter aswell !! CERN of switzerland recently succeeded in producing the first particles of antimatter. Antimatter is the most powerful energy source known to man as it releases energy with 100% efficiency leaving Nuclear fission way behind with 1.5 % efficiency. CERN has now broken ground with its anti-proton decelarator, as well as other scientific advancements such as anti-hydrogen,and anti-atoms!.


So you need something utterly impossible to believe in God... How about the fact that there is anything at all. Physics tells us something can't come from nothing, but here we are.

There is no anti-matter left in the universe, it all has seemed to have disappeared into "nothing" , besides one produced in high energy collisions, such as when the universe began 15 billion yrs ago. where the anti-matter went, and why it did not annhilate the matter, leaving only energy photons in the universe is a mystery. Why has anti-matter become the "nothingness" of this universe?

[Godsgifttomankind]

Dearest Dutchie,

When you are ready all these things will be done but first you must read and understand the contract.

The Bible is a book of contractual law.

God made many contracts and all of them are for eternity.

The Crucifixion can never be told away because it fulfills the obligation of God to an earlier contract and it is through that contract that we are were we are today.

The elimination of evil, starvation and suffering is part of our contract and as such it is our responsibility to get rid of them. In that society as a whole is in direct violation of said responsibility, the terms of the contract call for a period of tribulation. When will the period of tribulation cease? When the contractual obligations have been met

The question to you is -as a prudent person will you seek to understand your obligations under the fore mentioned contract through all means at your disposal or will you be like millions upon millions of Jews, Christians, Muslims and others that rely upon inadequate and ill informed legal counsel. Would you use a Real Estate lawyer to argue DNA evidence?

In order to find the truth you have to be looking, examining and asking. The contract calls for freewill. Why do you think it is that you are not falling for hell and damnation? Any logical mind will tell you that a loving parent would never destroy the object of adoration.

[evilwill]

I would need some sort of physical evidence of existence, power and basically proof of omnipetence, however it is done.

It would not be an easy task. A physical manifestation would be helpful.

[mickydoolittle]

I'd enjoy reading what the other members have to post about this topic.

oh YEAH!