BLOODLINES
Feb 23rd, 2008, 10:13 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7261171.stm
I found this interesting:0.02:
I found this interesting:0.02:
View Full Version : Glaciers melting rapidly
ryangti
Mar 16th, 2008, 3:57 PM
The rate at which some of the world's glaciers are melting has more than doubled, data from the United Nations Environment Programme has shown.
According to a new report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7299561.stm
According to a new report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7299561.stm
alpha
Mar 17th, 2008, 5:01 AM
all from 2006, one of the warmest on record.
also, you can do amazing things with photoshop nowadays! But notice the level of water around the glacier on the homepage, water level did not rise just a few rocks photoshopped in after that supposedly disappeared! pah!!!
Sea level rise! another load of BS, heard of the ice cube effect? stick some ice in a glass, fill it with water and see if it overflows!?
no mention of ice growth in Antartica and North Pole as usual. Why no 2007 / 2008 stats anywhere!?
also, you can do amazing things with photoshop nowadays! But notice the level of water around the glacier on the homepage, water level did not rise just a few rocks photoshopped in after that supposedly disappeared! pah!!!
Sea level rise! another load of BS, heard of the ice cube effect? stick some ice in a glass, fill it with water and see if it overflows!?
no mention of ice growth in Antartica and North Pole as usual. Why no 2007 / 2008 stats anywhere!?
lycanox
Mar 17th, 2008, 5:28 AM
Hmm, glaciers are the most prominent water source for our rivers.
With the rivers down to a muddy stream.
Away goes some important inland traffic lines and water sources.
Resulting in desertification and migration to the coastal areas.
Especially in third world countries like India, this could raise some real problems.
With the rivers down to a muddy stream.
Away goes some important inland traffic lines and water sources.
Resulting in desertification and migration to the coastal areas.
Especially in third world countries like India, this could raise some real problems.
alpha
Mar 17th, 2008, 7:17 AM
Hmm, glaciers are the most prominent water source for our rivers.
With the rivers down to a muddy stream.
Away goes some important inland traffic lines and water sources.
Resulting in desertification and migration to the coastal areas.
Especially in third world countries like India, this could raise some real problems.
Glaciers come and go.
if it all melts, we'll have to irrigate the land with de-salinated sea water. and drink the stuff, just like the saudi's do!
no problem. In fact they should be doing this across the drought stricken regions now!
With the rivers down to a muddy stream.
Away goes some important inland traffic lines and water sources.
Resulting in desertification and migration to the coastal areas.
Especially in third world countries like India, this could raise some real problems.
Glaciers come and go.
if it all melts, we'll have to irrigate the land with de-salinated sea water. and drink the stuff, just like the saudi's do!
no problem. In fact they should be doing this across the drought stricken regions now!
lycanox
Mar 17th, 2008, 8:58 AM
That is also one of the most expensive methods to clean water.
And distributing all that water is going to be a real hassle.
On the other hand. The process of desalination generates can produce electricity at the same time. It would be pretty weird if they cant turn it into an profitable energy source.
And distributing all that water is going to be a real hassle.
On the other hand. The process of desalination generates can produce electricity at the same time. It would be pretty weird if they cant turn it into an profitable energy source.
alpha
Mar 17th, 2008, 10:34 AM
indeed....
if they can build oil pipelines like they're going out of fashion why can't they build water pipelines across Africa, for example. An idea would be to pipe electricity and telecoms down those pipes and distribute it to the people.
It is one of my BIG ideas I just wish I could be involved with; especially the telecoms bit!
we could give TV, Internet, Phones, Games, Education, Health over Wireless to every 3rd World village in the World! starting slow of course!! don't want to turn them into zombies like us overnight! slaves to celebrity fasshon!
by the way, considering the thread, the glaciers are melting, well, considering what I've just posted on ECNII : http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/seaice/Historical.html
go there and compare 2004,5,6 with 2008. Seems like its getting colder all of a sudden.
The glaciers will come back over time. But, they are fed ultimately by moisture and precipitation. Europe has had naff all snow in the last 10 years so no wonder they are retreating.
if they can build oil pipelines like they're going out of fashion why can't they build water pipelines across Africa, for example. An idea would be to pipe electricity and telecoms down those pipes and distribute it to the people.
It is one of my BIG ideas I just wish I could be involved with; especially the telecoms bit!
we could give TV, Internet, Phones, Games, Education, Health over Wireless to every 3rd World village in the World! starting slow of course!! don't want to turn them into zombies like us overnight! slaves to celebrity fasshon!
by the way, considering the thread, the glaciers are melting, well, considering what I've just posted on ECNII : http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/seaice/Historical.html
go there and compare 2004,5,6 with 2008. Seems like its getting colder all of a sudden.
The glaciers will come back over time. But, they are fed ultimately by moisture and precipitation. Europe has had naff all snow in the last 10 years so no wonder they are retreating.
Glacial Ridge
Mar 17th, 2008, 8:13 PM
Glaciers come and go.
if it all melts, we'll have to irrigate the land with de-salinated sea water. and drink the stuff, just like the saudi's do!
no problem. In fact they should be doing this across the drought stricken regions now!
Hi Alpha,
like Ning Ning said, "Earth is approaching perigee, when we will be closest to the sun then we have been for 26000 years." If this sun cycle ends with a lot of activivity we shall see even more melting. Which will add more water vapor into the atmosphere to get energized.
Some links on the amount of North and South Pole melt, probably posted in Earth Changes here somewhere. But here they are again.
2007 shattered records for Arctic melt in the following ways:
_ 552 billion tons of ice melted this summer from the Greenland ice sheet, according to preliminary satellite data to be released by NASA Wednesday. That's 15 percent more than the annual average summer melt, beating 2005's record.
http://www.livescience.com/environment/071211-ap-arctic-melt.html
The findings challenge suggestions from previous research that the overall quantities of ice and snow in Antarctica could increase over the next century because of greater snowfall. The total annual loss was estimated at 196 billion tonnes, almost 50 times as much as the 4 billion tonnes of drinking water supplied to Britain’s taps each year.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article318
if it all melts, we'll have to irrigate the land with de-salinated sea water. and drink the stuff, just like the saudi's do!
no problem. In fact they should be doing this across the drought stricken regions now!
Hi Alpha,
like Ning Ning said, "Earth is approaching perigee, when we will be closest to the sun then we have been for 26000 years." If this sun cycle ends with a lot of activivity we shall see even more melting. Which will add more water vapor into the atmosphere to get energized.
Some links on the amount of North and South Pole melt, probably posted in Earth Changes here somewhere. But here they are again.
2007 shattered records for Arctic melt in the following ways:
_ 552 billion tons of ice melted this summer from the Greenland ice sheet, according to preliminary satellite data to be released by NASA Wednesday. That's 15 percent more than the annual average summer melt, beating 2005's record.
http://www.livescience.com/environment/071211-ap-arctic-melt.html
The findings challenge suggestions from previous research that the overall quantities of ice and snow in Antarctica could increase over the next century because of greater snowfall. The total annual loss was estimated at 196 billion tonnes, almost 50 times as much as the 4 billion tonnes of drinking water supplied to Britain’s taps each year.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article318
alpha
Mar 18th, 2008, 4:14 AM
Hi Alpha,
like Ning Ning said, "Earth is approaching perigee, when we will be closest to the sun then we have been for 26000 years." If this sun cycle ends with a lot of activivity we shall see even more melting. Which will add more water vapor into the atmosphere to get energized.
Some links on the amount of North and South Pole melt, probably posted in Earth Changes here somewhere. But here they are again.
2007 shattered records for Arctic melt in the following ways:
_ 552 billion tons of ice melted this summer from the Greenland ice sheet, according to preliminary satellite data to be released by NASA Wednesday. That's 15 percent more than the annual average summer melt, beating 2005's record.
http://www.livescience.com/environment/071211-ap-arctic-melt.html
The findings challenge suggestions from previous research that the overall quantities of ice and snow in Antarctica could increase over the next century because of greater snowfall. The total annual loss was estimated at 196 billion tonnes, almost 50 times as much as the 4 billion tonnes of drinking water supplied to Britain’s taps each year.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article318
Glacial, did you check out the animations of the polar ice growth over the month's I suggested? add 2007 to the list of warm years then check out 2008. It is markedly colder with ice growth.
by the way, considering the thread, the glaciers are melting, well, considering what I've just posted on ECNII : http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/seaice/Historical.html
go there and compare 2004,5,6 with 2008. Seems like its getting colder all of a sudden.
like Ning Ning said, "Earth is approaching perigee, when we will be closest to the sun then we have been for 26000 years." If this sun cycle ends with a lot of activivity we shall see even more melting. Which will add more water vapor into the atmosphere to get energized.
Some links on the amount of North and South Pole melt, probably posted in Earth Changes here somewhere. But here they are again.
2007 shattered records for Arctic melt in the following ways:
_ 552 billion tons of ice melted this summer from the Greenland ice sheet, according to preliminary satellite data to be released by NASA Wednesday. That's 15 percent more than the annual average summer melt, beating 2005's record.
http://www.livescience.com/environment/071211-ap-arctic-melt.html
The findings challenge suggestions from previous research that the overall quantities of ice and snow in Antarctica could increase over the next century because of greater snowfall. The total annual loss was estimated at 196 billion tonnes, almost 50 times as much as the 4 billion tonnes of drinking water supplied to Britain’s taps each year.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article318
Glacial, did you check out the animations of the polar ice growth over the month's I suggested? add 2007 to the list of warm years then check out 2008. It is markedly colder with ice growth.
by the way, considering the thread, the glaciers are melting, well, considering what I've just posted on ECNII : http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/seaice/Historical.html
go there and compare 2004,5,6 with 2008. Seems like its getting colder all of a sudden.
ryangti
Mar 18th, 2008, 6:37 PM
The Arctic is losing its old, thick ice faster than in previous years, according to satellite data.
Do satellites lie?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7303385.stm
Do satellites lie?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7303385.stm
alpha
Mar 20th, 2008, 7:29 PM
Ryan:
"The warm 2007 summer saw the smallest area of ice ever recorded in the region, and scientists say 2008 could follow a similar pattern."
from your , good old Auntie BBC article: note the "could" follow a similar pattern.
did you not check out 2008's satellite data compared to 2007? no?
try the sea ice history analysis page; here you go: http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/seaice/Historical.html
i would say that has NOT followed the 2005,6,7 trend, no?
"The warm 2007 summer saw the smallest area of ice ever recorded in the region, and scientists say 2008 could follow a similar pattern."
from your , good old Auntie BBC article: note the "could" follow a similar pattern.
did you not check out 2008's satellite data compared to 2007? no?
try the sea ice history analysis page; here you go: http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/seaice/Historical.html
i would say that has NOT followed the 2005,6,7 trend, no?
ryangti
Mar 21st, 2008, 3:14 PM
It feels more like winter than spring but wonder why the ice caps are melting so rapidly.
ryangti
Mar 21st, 2008, 11:24 PM
Answers may be given soon on why they are melting so quickly.
Scientists set off on a voyage to Antarctica on Saturday to see if the icesheets at the edge of the vast continent are melting faster and whether the Southern Ocean is soaking up less climate-warming carbon dioxide.
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSSP273620080322
Scientists set off on a voyage to Antarctica on Saturday to see if the icesheets at the edge of the vast continent are melting faster and whether the Southern Ocean is soaking up less climate-warming carbon dioxide.
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSSP273620080322
Protostar
Mar 22nd, 2008, 4:32 AM
Glaciers are trapped ice and they melt from the sun's rays as they slide
on the water. But the real culprit is underneath.
The heat covection system is a highly complex system that generates
the energy our planet needs to survive and not grow cold.
However, the Sun is the "feeder" of this and if the sun grows cold, then
the planet does. right now, old ice is melting off completely but it is
being replaced by new ice in different areas.
here is truth.
As long as the geophysical poles thicken, <which they are>
the temp of the earth won't go haywire. Why? because these "poles"
are the "temp" minders of the world, both north and south.
Our amazing planet truly does have a "mind of it's own" !
PS/ I still believe both magnetic poles are trying to get to the equator.
to switch positions for some reason....The ice that blocked it's way
is now gone so it can complete it's task. AMAZING PLANET......
this might explain where the magnetic energy build up in the atmosphere came from..
on the water. But the real culprit is underneath.
The heat covection system is a highly complex system that generates
the energy our planet needs to survive and not grow cold.
However, the Sun is the "feeder" of this and if the sun grows cold, then
the planet does. right now, old ice is melting off completely but it is
being replaced by new ice in different areas.
here is truth.
As long as the geophysical poles thicken, <which they are>
the temp of the earth won't go haywire. Why? because these "poles"
are the "temp" minders of the world, both north and south.
Our amazing planet truly does have a "mind of it's own" !
PS/ I still believe both magnetic poles are trying to get to the equator.
to switch positions for some reason....The ice that blocked it's way
is now gone so it can complete it's task. AMAZING PLANET......
this might explain where the magnetic energy build up in the atmosphere came from..
MetalMilitia
Mar 22nd, 2008, 4:50 AM
I don't pretend to post a WHOLE lot of news for the main site.... but recently about 25% of the emails and some of the recent stories have ALL dealt with this in some way. It's a raging issue and deserves attention I guess.
Climate set for sudden sudden shifts : http://www.armageddononline.org/Climate-Environment/sudden-climate-changes.html
Major Impact On Transportation Infrastructure And Operations from climate : http://www.armageddononline.org/Climate-Environment/climate-impact-tranportation-infrastructure.html
UN: World's glaciers melting faster : http://www.armageddononline.org/Climate-Environment/-UN-World-s-glaciers-melting-faster.html
Glaciers show record shrinkage : http://www.armageddononline.org/Climate-Environment/Glaciers-show-record-shrinkage-2008.html
Climate set for sudden sudden shifts : http://www.armageddononline.org/Climate-Environment/sudden-climate-changes.html
Major Impact On Transportation Infrastructure And Operations from climate : http://www.armageddononline.org/Climate-Environment/climate-impact-tranportation-infrastructure.html
UN: World's glaciers melting faster : http://www.armageddononline.org/Climate-Environment/-UN-World-s-glaciers-melting-faster.html
Glaciers show record shrinkage : http://www.armageddononline.org/Climate-Environment/Glaciers-show-record-shrinkage-2008.html
Darwin
Mar 22nd, 2008, 11:01 AM
Look it is getting warmer. Is it man made? Could be. If there had never been any warm-ups before the industrial revolution we could say yep, man is the cause.
It is hard to rationalize that Man’s influence has not contributed to the current climatic change. That damn past record is a bitch. Why did it warm up in the past.
Solar energy flocculation’s is the major player. Man is a Major player. Aint no body that can stand up and say why. That’s the problem.
I recommendation is take man out of the equation. With the rising price of fossil fuel I think the problem will take care of itself. Those towel heads are building islands.
Biological life has already developed what we call artificial life. That is the future. We are a dinosaur. Cant stop evolution. Don’t sweat the load.
I is a weatherman
Darwin
It is hard to rationalize that Man’s influence has not contributed to the current climatic change. That damn past record is a bitch. Why did it warm up in the past.
Solar energy flocculation’s is the major player. Man is a Major player. Aint no body that can stand up and say why. That’s the problem.
I recommendation is take man out of the equation. With the rising price of fossil fuel I think the problem will take care of itself. Those towel heads are building islands.
Biological life has already developed what we call artificial life. That is the future. We are a dinosaur. Cant stop evolution. Don’t sweat the load.
I is a weatherman
Darwin
H2onE2
Mar 22nd, 2008, 1:10 PM
Hmm, glaciers are the most prominent water source for our rivers.
With the rivers down to a muddy stream.
Away goes some important inland traffic lines and water sources.
Resulting in desertification and migration to the coastal areas.
Especially in third world countries like India, this could raise some real problems.
I would say most rivers depend on yearly rain fall to be filled. Mississippi, Amazonian, the one behind my house.
Author: B Billy Marse, Professional Geologist:spy:
www.H2onE2.com
With the rivers down to a muddy stream.
Away goes some important inland traffic lines and water sources.
Resulting in desertification and migration to the coastal areas.
Especially in third world countries like India, this could raise some real problems.
I would say most rivers depend on yearly rain fall to be filled. Mississippi, Amazonian, the one behind my house.
Author: B Billy Marse, Professional Geologist:spy:
www.H2onE2.com
H2onE2
Mar 22nd, 2008, 1:18 PM
Look it is getting warmer. Is it man made? Could be. If there had never been any warm-ups before the industrial revolution we could say yep, man is the cause.
It is hard to rationalize that Man’s influence has not contributed to the current climatic change. That damn past record is a bitch. Why did it warm up in the past.
Solar energy flocculation’s is the major player. Man is a Major player. Aint no body that can stand up and say why. That’s the problem.
I is a weatherman
Darwin
http://www.H2onE2.com Glacial Respiration, Conceptual Ring of Ice, The End of Linear Western ReligionA Geological Exploration of an E2 Earthen Planet And the H2 Human SpeciesAuthor: B Billy Marse, Professional Geologist
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1073586/pyramid_and_eye_secret_solved/
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1105639/the_simplicity_of_space/
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1131578/proof_to_evolution_found_in_the_two_promoting_cond itions/
Some people sit on the top of the totem poll others are on the bottom, few take their chances and swimming for it.:w00t:
It is hard to rationalize that Man’s influence has not contributed to the current climatic change. That damn past record is a bitch. Why did it warm up in the past.
Solar energy flocculation’s is the major player. Man is a Major player. Aint no body that can stand up and say why. That’s the problem.
I is a weatherman
Darwin
http://www.H2onE2.com Glacial Respiration, Conceptual Ring of Ice, The End of Linear Western ReligionA Geological Exploration of an E2 Earthen Planet And the H2 Human SpeciesAuthor: B Billy Marse, Professional Geologist
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1073586/pyramid_and_eye_secret_solved/
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1105639/the_simplicity_of_space/
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1131578/proof_to_evolution_found_in_the_two_promoting_cond itions/
Some people sit on the top of the totem poll others are on the bottom, few take their chances and swimming for it.:w00t:
Darwin
Mar 22nd, 2008, 1:35 PM
Go back to sleep. Bring some data. When I am not drinking or masturbating I do science.
Bring some meat.
Queers stand back.
Darwin
Bring some meat.
Queers stand back.
Darwin
alpha
Mar 22nd, 2008, 6:32 PM
Glaciers are trapped ice and they melt from the sun's rays as they slide
on the water. But the real culprit is underneath.
The heat covection system is a highly complex system that generates
the energy our planet needs to survive and not grow cold.
However, the Sun is the "feeder" of this and if the sun grows cold, then
the planet does. right now, old ice is melting off completely but it is
being replaced by new ice in different areas.
here is truth.
As long as the geophysical poles thicken, <which they are>
the temp of the earth won't go haywire. Why? because these "poles"
are the "temp" minders of the world, both north and south.
Our amazing planet truly does have a "mind of it's own" !
PS/ I still believe both magnetic poles are trying to get to the equator.
to switch positions for some reason....The ice that blocked it's way
is now gone so it can complete it's task. AMAZING PLANET......
this might explain where the magnetic energy build up in the atmosphere came from..
Protostar, is there some over compensation going on, the Planet's core is heating us because the Sun isn't. Hence the increase in magnetic activity? Also, it seems the whole solar system is reacting to something. What is it? Why is Saturn losing it's rings? Venus reacting and Mars. The Sun has gone to sleep, what's going to happen when the core settles down along with this magnetic activity.
On both poles the ice growth is thickest in one area, noticeably different to previous years, I wonder if it's following the pole shift? Where's the best site to watch magnetic North and South move?
winter starts tomorrow in UK; London is going to get it good style; according to the BBC that is.
on the water. But the real culprit is underneath.
The heat covection system is a highly complex system that generates
the energy our planet needs to survive and not grow cold.
However, the Sun is the "feeder" of this and if the sun grows cold, then
the planet does. right now, old ice is melting off completely but it is
being replaced by new ice in different areas.
here is truth.
As long as the geophysical poles thicken, <which they are>
the temp of the earth won't go haywire. Why? because these "poles"
are the "temp" minders of the world, both north and south.
Our amazing planet truly does have a "mind of it's own" !
PS/ I still believe both magnetic poles are trying to get to the equator.
to switch positions for some reason....The ice that blocked it's way
is now gone so it can complete it's task. AMAZING PLANET......
this might explain where the magnetic energy build up in the atmosphere came from..
Protostar, is there some over compensation going on, the Planet's core is heating us because the Sun isn't. Hence the increase in magnetic activity? Also, it seems the whole solar system is reacting to something. What is it? Why is Saturn losing it's rings? Venus reacting and Mars. The Sun has gone to sleep, what's going to happen when the core settles down along with this magnetic activity.
On both poles the ice growth is thickest in one area, noticeably different to previous years, I wonder if it's following the pole shift? Where's the best site to watch magnetic North and South move?
winter starts tomorrow in UK; London is going to get it good style; according to the BBC that is.
ryangti
Mar 22nd, 2008, 6:50 PM
Im sure we shall find out soon enough!
Then again if its catastrophic then we wont be told.
Are sea levels rising as according to the thames barrier in London it had to close recently as it cannot cope.
So its either because the ice caps are melting rapidly increasing the worlds sea levels,or too much rain.
http://article.wn.com/view/2008/03/22/Sea_levels_rising_too_fast_for_Thames_Barrier_d/
Then again if its catastrophic then we wont be told.
Are sea levels rising as according to the thames barrier in London it had to close recently as it cannot cope.
So its either because the ice caps are melting rapidly increasing the worlds sea levels,or too much rain.
http://article.wn.com/view/2008/03/22/Sea_levels_rising_too_fast_for_Thames_Barrier_d/
ryangti
Mar 24th, 2008, 10:56 PM
The irrigation water vital for the grain crops that feed China and India is at risk of drying up, as global warming melts the glaciers that feed Asia's biggest rivers.
I didnt realise the implications and how it all connects!
http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn13519-melting-glaciers-will-trigger-food-shortages.html
I didnt realise the implications and how it all connects!
http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn13519-melting-glaciers-will-trigger-food-shortages.html
ryangti
Mar 25th, 2008, 4:17 PM
A chunk of ice the size of the Isle of Man has started to break away from the Antarctic, scientists say.
Go on over to the BBC news site
Go on over to the BBC news site
Protostar
Mar 26th, 2008, 5:52 AM
Old ice melts, new ice builds.
Did you really look at this particular ice sheet?
have you noticed the nice, straight line of the bulk of the sheet?
It looks like it was cut with a laser.
why?
to explore for oil/gas/thermal energy.
You simply cannot believe the greed that humans have,
at the cost of the "natural order of things"
Satellite images have found deep pockets of thermal gas located at both poles.
Who's the greedy bastards breaking up the ice to get to it??
NOW THAT IS TRUTH PEOPLE, THAT IS TRUTH!
<look closely at all images. you will see what I see>
Did you really look at this particular ice sheet?
have you noticed the nice, straight line of the bulk of the sheet?
It looks like it was cut with a laser.
why?
to explore for oil/gas/thermal energy.
You simply cannot believe the greed that humans have,
at the cost of the "natural order of things"
Satellite images have found deep pockets of thermal gas located at both poles.
Who's the greedy bastards breaking up the ice to get to it??
NOW THAT IS TRUTH PEOPLE, THAT IS TRUTH!
<look closely at all images. you will see what I see>
olddragon
Mar 26th, 2008, 9:29 AM
Jennifer Marohasy, a senior fellow at Melborne's Institute of public affairs, stated.
"Carbon dioxide has risen for ten years.
World temperature have gone down during that same time period."
It would appear to be a really, "Inconvenient Truth."
Polar ice sheets are growing, go figure.
The temperature drop is attributed to lower sun spot activity.
Could we be going into a mini ice age?
"Carbon dioxide has risen for ten years.
World temperature have gone down during that same time period."
It would appear to be a really, "Inconvenient Truth."
Polar ice sheets are growing, go figure.
The temperature drop is attributed to lower sun spot activity.
Could we be going into a mini ice age?
olddragon
Mar 26th, 2008, 9:31 AM
Protostar, that's why Russia is trying to lay claim to the north pole.
Can you say OIL & GAS.
Can you say OIL & GAS.
ryangti
Mar 26th, 2008, 11:20 PM
A theory but a good one though!
The dramatic destruction of an ice shelf is a mere side show compared to the potential of catastrophic melting elsewhere in Antarctica.
Thats what scientists are now saying anyway.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article3628471.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797093
The dramatic destruction of an ice shelf is a mere side show compared to the potential of catastrophic melting elsewhere in Antarctica.
Thats what scientists are now saying anyway.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article3628471.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=797093
ryangti
Mar 28th, 2008, 4:58 PM
Further break-up of Antarctic ice shelf!
Oh shoot!
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=earth-from-space-further
Oh shoot!
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=earth-from-space-further
Traveler
Mar 29th, 2008, 2:21 AM
Well it looks like a rise in sea levels is on the way.
Protostar
Mar 29th, 2008, 11:26 AM
Traveler, don't be a fool! Why do you read and listen to crap scientists?
IT IS A LIE. No rise in sea level my friend. The planet is on its way to
FREEZING.
METEOROLOGISTS KNOW, NOT SO CALLED CLIMATOLOGISTS.
It is all about the dollar.
This planet will be frozen SOLID by 2050. Sorry, but that is truth...,
Pls, read this ENTIRE ARTICLE>
Ice Cap Alarmists Cherry Pick Science To Fit Carbon Emissions Theory
Ice extent is actually approaching second highest level since records began
Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Thursday, March 27, 2008
A spate of alarmist articles in the media over the past few days have attempted to cause a frothing wave of panic concerning an accelerated melting of Arctic and Antarctic ice caps. However, the basic facts of the matter reveal that the science to prove this theory simply does not stack up.
The cause of the great thawing? Carbon emissions of cause. The solution? Carbon taxes.
UN climate chief warns of 'accelerated melting' of ice caps was the AFP headline yesterday that announced the chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) call for international tariffs on carbon emissions:
"Now there's enough evidence to show that there is accelerated melting of some of these large bodies of ice; west Antarctic ice-sheet, the Greenland ice-sheet," Rajendra Pachauri told reporters.
His comments came after satellite images by the University of Colorado's National Snow and Ice Data Center showed Antarctica's massive Wilkins Ice Shelf has begun disintegrating under the effects of global warming.
The Australian further reported:
British Antarctic Survey scientist David Vaughan said the collapse was the result of global warming.
Scientists said they are not concerned about a rise in sea level from the latest event, but say it's a sign of worsening global warming. Such occurrences are “more indicative of a tipping point or trigger in the climate system,” said Sarah Das, a scientist at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute in the US.
Vaughan also told the New Scientist that the Wilkins shelf was 'hanging by a thread'
So the ice caps are all melting and it's panic stations, we need more taxes on carbon now, right?
Not according to Certified Consultant Meteorologist and Executive Director of ICECAP, International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project, Joseph D’Aleo, who does not receive any funding from corporate interests and provides a somewhat bigger picture:
Let’s put this in perspective. The account may be misinterpreted by some as the ice cap or a significant (vast) portion is collapsing. In reality it and all the former shelves that collapsed are small and most near the Antarctic peninsula which sticks well out from Antarctica into the currents and winds of the South Atlantic and lies in a tectonically active region with surface and subsurface active volcanic activity. The vast continent has actually cooled since 1979.
The full Wilkins 6,000 square mile ice shelf is just 0.39% of the current ice sheet (just 0.1% of the extent last September). Only a small portion of it between 1/10th-1/20th of Wilkins has separated so far, like an icicle falling off a snow and ice covered house. And this winter is coming on quickly. In fact the ice is returning so fast, it is running an amazing 60% ahead (4.0 vs 2.5 million square km extent) of last year when it set a new record. The ice extent is already approaching the second highest level for extent since the measurements began by satellite in 1979 and just a few days into the Southern Hemisphere fall season and 6 months ahead of the peak. Wilkins like all the others that temporarily broke up will refreeze soon. We are very likely going to exceed last year’s record. Yet the world is left with the false impression Antarctica’s ice sheet is also starting to disappear.
D'Aleo also points out that last year when the Antarctic set a new record for ice extent, it got no media attention. Instead the media focused on the Arctic regions where the ice set record low levels. Earlier this year the ice cover in the Antarctic again continued to reach highs but was still ignored. Now a portion of the Wilkins shelf has broken away, suddenly the entire Antarctic is in grave peril of collapsing into the sea, according to the media and the selected few "experts" they quote.
Furthermore, it is entirely natural for sections of ice shelves to break away. In both polar regions, the cold climate causes water to fall from the air and form snow and ice. The ice that covers the land then becomes glaciers which are subject to movement as gravity weighs down on them, forcing them to the shorelines of each continent.
Then the glaciers spread across the surface of the Arctic and Antarctic oceans, forming temporary ice shelves which constantly drift and break over periods of time with seasonal and tidal changes helping to form cracks and weaknesses. When the colder weather returns, the shelves refreeze.
With different weather systems, fluctuations in tectonic activity and solar activity, the process is never the same and levels of ice have forever fluctuated on the planet for millions of years.
To suggest that a small portion of an ice shelf breaking is suddenly something completely new and frightening is patently ludicrous.
Indeed, as this figure from Cryosphere Today highlights, current world ice levels have now reached 1 million square kilometers above normal. You can see the fluctuation from season to season and that in the warmer seasons there is no doubt that in recent years there has been a more erratic trend in ice levels. However, this shifts both ways.
Furthermore, as we have previously highlighted, data from all four major global temperature tracking outlets shows that the Earth is no longer getting warmer and that we are now actually in a post-warming period of global cooling.
Other scientists backed this claim and have asserted that warming stopped some years ago.
We also know that Antarctic ice core samples show that the rise in carbon dioxide levels actually lags behind temperature rise by 800 years, and therefore cannot be the cause of it. The documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle exposed how Al Gore, in his film Inconvenient Truth, deliberately reversed these figures to claim CO2 causes temperature change, when in fact the opposite is the case.
When the AFP quotes some scientist saying that the ice caps are "hanging by a thread" with no actual scientific facts to back up the claim, the reaction should be to investigate and to debate the claim.
Instead we have politicians and the UN frothing and immediately announcing that the ice caps are all melting because of carbon emissions. Their pre-prepared solution, of course, is to embrace carbon taxes and offsetting measures, the companies behind which are now being bought up by vast globalist entities such as JP Morgan.
IT IS A LIE. No rise in sea level my friend. The planet is on its way to
FREEZING.
METEOROLOGISTS KNOW, NOT SO CALLED CLIMATOLOGISTS.
It is all about the dollar.
This planet will be frozen SOLID by 2050. Sorry, but that is truth...,
Pls, read this ENTIRE ARTICLE>
Ice Cap Alarmists Cherry Pick Science To Fit Carbon Emissions Theory
Ice extent is actually approaching second highest level since records began
Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Thursday, March 27, 2008
A spate of alarmist articles in the media over the past few days have attempted to cause a frothing wave of panic concerning an accelerated melting of Arctic and Antarctic ice caps. However, the basic facts of the matter reveal that the science to prove this theory simply does not stack up.
The cause of the great thawing? Carbon emissions of cause. The solution? Carbon taxes.
UN climate chief warns of 'accelerated melting' of ice caps was the AFP headline yesterday that announced the chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) call for international tariffs on carbon emissions:
"Now there's enough evidence to show that there is accelerated melting of some of these large bodies of ice; west Antarctic ice-sheet, the Greenland ice-sheet," Rajendra Pachauri told reporters.
His comments came after satellite images by the University of Colorado's National Snow and Ice Data Center showed Antarctica's massive Wilkins Ice Shelf has begun disintegrating under the effects of global warming.
The Australian further reported:
British Antarctic Survey scientist David Vaughan said the collapse was the result of global warming.
Scientists said they are not concerned about a rise in sea level from the latest event, but say it's a sign of worsening global warming. Such occurrences are “more indicative of a tipping point or trigger in the climate system,” said Sarah Das, a scientist at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute in the US.
Vaughan also told the New Scientist that the Wilkins shelf was 'hanging by a thread'
So the ice caps are all melting and it's panic stations, we need more taxes on carbon now, right?
Not according to Certified Consultant Meteorologist and Executive Director of ICECAP, International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project, Joseph D’Aleo, who does not receive any funding from corporate interests and provides a somewhat bigger picture:
Let’s put this in perspective. The account may be misinterpreted by some as the ice cap or a significant (vast) portion is collapsing. In reality it and all the former shelves that collapsed are small and most near the Antarctic peninsula which sticks well out from Antarctica into the currents and winds of the South Atlantic and lies in a tectonically active region with surface and subsurface active volcanic activity. The vast continent has actually cooled since 1979.
The full Wilkins 6,000 square mile ice shelf is just 0.39% of the current ice sheet (just 0.1% of the extent last September). Only a small portion of it between 1/10th-1/20th of Wilkins has separated so far, like an icicle falling off a snow and ice covered house. And this winter is coming on quickly. In fact the ice is returning so fast, it is running an amazing 60% ahead (4.0 vs 2.5 million square km extent) of last year when it set a new record. The ice extent is already approaching the second highest level for extent since the measurements began by satellite in 1979 and just a few days into the Southern Hemisphere fall season and 6 months ahead of the peak. Wilkins like all the others that temporarily broke up will refreeze soon. We are very likely going to exceed last year’s record. Yet the world is left with the false impression Antarctica’s ice sheet is also starting to disappear.
D'Aleo also points out that last year when the Antarctic set a new record for ice extent, it got no media attention. Instead the media focused on the Arctic regions where the ice set record low levels. Earlier this year the ice cover in the Antarctic again continued to reach highs but was still ignored. Now a portion of the Wilkins shelf has broken away, suddenly the entire Antarctic is in grave peril of collapsing into the sea, according to the media and the selected few "experts" they quote.
Furthermore, it is entirely natural for sections of ice shelves to break away. In both polar regions, the cold climate causes water to fall from the air and form snow and ice. The ice that covers the land then becomes glaciers which are subject to movement as gravity weighs down on them, forcing them to the shorelines of each continent.
Then the glaciers spread across the surface of the Arctic and Antarctic oceans, forming temporary ice shelves which constantly drift and break over periods of time with seasonal and tidal changes helping to form cracks and weaknesses. When the colder weather returns, the shelves refreeze.
With different weather systems, fluctuations in tectonic activity and solar activity, the process is never the same and levels of ice have forever fluctuated on the planet for millions of years.
To suggest that a small portion of an ice shelf breaking is suddenly something completely new and frightening is patently ludicrous.
Indeed, as this figure from Cryosphere Today highlights, current world ice levels have now reached 1 million square kilometers above normal. You can see the fluctuation from season to season and that in the warmer seasons there is no doubt that in recent years there has been a more erratic trend in ice levels. However, this shifts both ways.
Furthermore, as we have previously highlighted, data from all four major global temperature tracking outlets shows that the Earth is no longer getting warmer and that we are now actually in a post-warming period of global cooling.
Other scientists backed this claim and have asserted that warming stopped some years ago.
We also know that Antarctic ice core samples show that the rise in carbon dioxide levels actually lags behind temperature rise by 800 years, and therefore cannot be the cause of it. The documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle exposed how Al Gore, in his film Inconvenient Truth, deliberately reversed these figures to claim CO2 causes temperature change, when in fact the opposite is the case.
When the AFP quotes some scientist saying that the ice caps are "hanging by a thread" with no actual scientific facts to back up the claim, the reaction should be to investigate and to debate the claim.
Instead we have politicians and the UN frothing and immediately announcing that the ice caps are all melting because of carbon emissions. Their pre-prepared solution, of course, is to embrace carbon taxes and offsetting measures, the companies behind which are now being bought up by vast globalist entities such as JP Morgan.
ryangti
Mar 29th, 2008, 6:01 PM
A rise in sea levels is threatening the future of the 105 islands that make up the Seychelles group.
So what do we believe!
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=79167&videoChannel=74
So what do we believe!
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=79167&videoChannel=74
JenaS62
Mar 29th, 2008, 7:04 PM
I think we're screwed either way Ryan. Ice age or great deluge. Neither really sounds like a better choice. Kind of like the 2008 presidential candidates.
ryangti
Mar 29th, 2008, 9:01 PM
I wonder what the timeline will be before we see this on a world scale.
If you have ever heard of the thames barrier in London then you may have heard its not coping,which says to me the water levels must be rising.
Climate change progress too slow yeah it is!
Its costing too much and an inconveience i guess ,wait until it does happen then panic!
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23455033-5007133,00.html
If you have ever heard of the thames barrier in London then you may have heard its not coping,which says to me the water levels must be rising.
Climate change progress too slow yeah it is!
Its costing too much and an inconveience i guess ,wait until it does happen then panic!
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23455033-5007133,00.html
alpha
Apr 1st, 2008, 2:19 PM
A rise in sea levels is threatening the future of the 105 islands that make up the Seychelles group.
So what do we believe!
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=79167&videoChannel=74
look at this :
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&hs=PLR&q=seychelles+sea+rise&btnG=Search&meta=
in nearly every link there's words like: "could", "likely"
there are no current links on sea levels rising.
don't forget the islands might be sinking! lots of seismic and plate activity in the pacific, no?
:deal:
So what do we believe!
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=79167&videoChannel=74
look at this :
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&channel=s&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&hs=PLR&q=seychelles+sea+rise&btnG=Search&meta=
in nearly every link there's words like: "could", "likely"
there are no current links on sea levels rising.
don't forget the islands might be sinking! lots of seismic and plate activity in the pacific, no?
:deal:
alpha
Apr 1st, 2008, 2:24 PM
I wonder what the timeline will be before we see this on a world scale.
If you have ever heard of the thames barrier in London then you may have heard its not coping,which says to me the water levels must be rising.
Climate change progress too slow yeah it is!
Its costing too much and an inconveience i guess ,wait until it does happen then panic!
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23455033-5007133,00.html
oh come on!!
a B rate Ozzie news channel reporting on the Thames Barrier, what the fek do they know!!??
climate change progress too slow! well yeh that's nature for you! costing too much it WILL, in stealth taxes!
don't panic, say get stuffed to your stealth taxes and get prepared !!!!!
CHANGING MOOD TO ANGRY AGAIN!!!!
NOT AT YOU AT THE UN AND ALL THE MEDIA!!!
:bondage::bondage::bondage::bondage:
If you have ever heard of the thames barrier in London then you may have heard its not coping,which says to me the water levels must be rising.
Climate change progress too slow yeah it is!
Its costing too much and an inconveience i guess ,wait until it does happen then panic!
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23455033-5007133,00.html
oh come on!!
a B rate Ozzie news channel reporting on the Thames Barrier, what the fek do they know!!??
climate change progress too slow! well yeh that's nature for you! costing too much it WILL, in stealth taxes!
don't panic, say get stuffed to your stealth taxes and get prepared !!!!!
CHANGING MOOD TO ANGRY AGAIN!!!!
NOT AT YOU AT THE UN AND ALL THE MEDIA!!!
:bondage::bondage::bondage::bondage:
H2onE2
Apr 3rd, 2008, 6:16 PM
Jennifer Marohasy, a senior fellow at Melborne's Institute of public affairs, stated.
"Carbon dioxide has risen for ten years.
World temperature have gone down during that same time period."
It would appear to be a really, "Inconvenient Truth."
Polar ice sheets are growing, go figure.
The temperature drop is attributed to lower sun spot activity.
Could we be going into a mini ice age?
And that is what I wrote a book on and can not get into stores.:buc:
"Carbon dioxide has risen for ten years.
World temperature have gone down during that same time period."
It would appear to be a really, "Inconvenient Truth."
Polar ice sheets are growing, go figure.
The temperature drop is attributed to lower sun spot activity.
Could we be going into a mini ice age?
And that is what I wrote a book on and can not get into stores.:buc:
ryangti
Apr 3rd, 2008, 9:53 PM
I know what you mean!
Canada's massive Mackenzie Delta is feeling the impact of climate change faster than expected and could foretell of problems elsewhere in the Arctic, a Canadian researcher said on Thursday.
Another report of melting ice but at the same time the world will start feeling cooler due to the la nina.
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSN0328419020080403
Global temperatures 'to decrease'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7329799.stm
Canada's massive Mackenzie Delta is feeling the impact of climate change faster than expected and could foretell of problems elsewhere in the Arctic, a Canadian researcher said on Thursday.
Another report of melting ice but at the same time the world will start feeling cooler due to the la nina.
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSN0328419020080403
Global temperatures 'to decrease'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7329799.stm
Protostar
Apr 4th, 2008, 8:55 AM
Think about this. It is natural for the outer ice fields <sheets> to melt off as we approach spring yes it's true. But hey, couldn't boring a hole in the middle of the ice sheet to "drill for geo thermal" energy help break up the ICE BLOCK???
HELL YES. And then they tell you oooo, we did it.
NO THEY DID IT. GLOBAL WARMING PEOPLE DID IT DRILLING FOR ENERGY.
I hear the GREAT sucking noises coming from the media "know it alls"
telling us the ABSOLUTE OPPOSITE of what is really going on...
HELL YES. And then they tell you oooo, we did it.
NO THEY DID IT. GLOBAL WARMING PEOPLE DID IT DRILLING FOR ENERGY.
I hear the GREAT sucking noises coming from the media "know it alls"
telling us the ABSOLUTE OPPOSITE of what is really going on...
olddragon
Apr 4th, 2008, 9:35 AM
Temperatures are down since 1998, Some one is lieing to us Mr. Gore.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7329799.stm
You just can't have it both ways, it's either warmer or cooler.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7329799.stm
You just can't have it both ways, it's either warmer or cooler.
Jake99
Apr 4th, 2008, 10:03 AM
Sea level rise! another load of BS, heard of the ice cube effect? stick some ice in a glass, fill it with water and see if it overflows!?
I think this statement is incorrect. The ice cubes that are being added to the ocean from glaciers are from above the water line and cause floods every time my full glass of water with an ice cube floating in it melts.
I think this statement is incorrect. The ice cubes that are being added to the ocean from glaciers are from above the water line and cause floods every time my full glass of water with an ice cube floating in it melts.
Crimepunisher
Apr 4th, 2008, 11:40 AM
Temperatures are down since 1998, Some one is lieing to us Mr. Gore.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7329799.stm
You just can't have it both ways, it's either warmer or cooler.
Wow, some good news. Certainly does raise some new questions though.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7329799.stm
You just can't have it both ways, it's either warmer or cooler.
Wow, some good news. Certainly does raise some new questions though.
olddragon
Apr 4th, 2008, 12:29 PM
Wow, some good news. Certainly does raise some new questions though.
Here is the real question, who will control the money?
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSBKK28941120080404?feedType=RSS&feedName=environmentNews&rpc=22&sp=true
This is what global warming is really about.
Now even the UN has doubts.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,346310,00.html
Here is the real question, who will control the money?
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSBKK28941120080404?feedType=RSS&feedName=environmentNews&rpc=22&sp=true
This is what global warming is really about.
Now even the UN has doubts.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,346310,00.html
ryangti
Apr 5th, 2008, 10:34 PM
If any country can claim to be pitched on the global warming front line, it may be the North Atlantic island nation of Iceland.
Read more
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSL2679987920080406
Read more
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSL2679987920080406
Phil777
Apr 22nd, 2008, 8:59 AM
19,000 scientists debunking man-made global warming or climate change -
http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm
Have a look at the graphs explaining that glaciers are melting in normal fashion and as a result of natural conditions related to the sun's activities.
We are being lied to on an unprecedented scale.
Who is the father of lies? Satan!
http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm
Have a look at the graphs explaining that glaciers are melting in normal fashion and as a result of natural conditions related to the sun's activities.
We are being lied to on an unprecedented scale.
Who is the father of lies? Satan!
Nu Kua
Apr 22nd, 2008, 9:19 AM
Close, Phil! It is Satan causing global warming (http://forums.armageddononline.org/showpost.php?p=207827&postcount=49), but maybe not how you think...
Glacial Ridge
Apr 23rd, 2008, 9:00 PM
reply duplicated
Glacial Ridge
Apr 23rd, 2008, 9:01 PM
Quote Phil777>We are being lied to on an unprecedented scale.<
Yes...some of it is lies. But those 19,000 scientists don't have all the answers either. But there is a lot of good info contained in the Petition Project that concerns us all. Including those that choose to ridicule you instead saying, "Hey Phil lot of good info here."
Gee why did we have such a huge La Nina (cold water in the Pacific this year) Antarctic Circumpolar Current...deep water currents carried all the melt from the antarctic up there.
http://www.parks.tas.gov.au/fahan_mi_shipwrecks/infohut/acc.htm
Now we have a wetter than normal winter, with the sun in minimum. So some places got a colder winter.
The same people that told the WOKRING CLASS the earth was flat. (the all knowing Greeks did that for us, that way we wouldn't go looking for buried wealth from the last cataclysm and they would get it all the riches and wealth. By them I mean governments)
The same people who using a particular religion withheld books and knowledge from the WORKING CLASS. (That way you would be to dumb to become wealthy like them. By them I mean governments. In particular the Holy Roman government.) As well as others included here. But where are the ridiculars history when it comes to this. Oh they just want to ridicule others faiths or beliefs.
The same people who gave you Zeit disgust. (Offering you tidbits of truth with overall lying and deceptions. While lumping Christ into their pantheon of false gods. Now who were they? Governments)
For the good of all is what they say.
Some on this site will ridicule you for your faith just because they can, ever learning and never coming to a knowledge of the real truth. So shake the dust off Phil.
Yes...some of it is lies. But those 19,000 scientists don't have all the answers either. But there is a lot of good info contained in the Petition Project that concerns us all. Including those that choose to ridicule you instead saying, "Hey Phil lot of good info here."
Gee why did we have such a huge La Nina (cold water in the Pacific this year) Antarctic Circumpolar Current...deep water currents carried all the melt from the antarctic up there.
http://www.parks.tas.gov.au/fahan_mi_shipwrecks/infohut/acc.htm
Now we have a wetter than normal winter, with the sun in minimum. So some places got a colder winter.
The same people that told the WOKRING CLASS the earth was flat. (the all knowing Greeks did that for us, that way we wouldn't go looking for buried wealth from the last cataclysm and they would get it all the riches and wealth. By them I mean governments)
The same people who using a particular religion withheld books and knowledge from the WORKING CLASS. (That way you would be to dumb to become wealthy like them. By them I mean governments. In particular the Holy Roman government.) As well as others included here. But where are the ridiculars history when it comes to this. Oh they just want to ridicule others faiths or beliefs.
The same people who gave you Zeit disgust. (Offering you tidbits of truth with overall lying and deceptions. While lumping Christ into their pantheon of false gods. Now who were they? Governments)
For the good of all is what they say.
Some on this site will ridicule you for your faith just because they can, ever learning and never coming to a knowledge of the real truth. So shake the dust off Phil.
Assassin X
Apr 23rd, 2008, 9:03 PM
Some on this site will ridicule you for your faith just because they can, ever learning and never coming to a knowledge of the real truth. So shake the dust off Phil.
Why should we listen to a talking glacial ridge? Even more concerning is how are you using a computer without frying it? Matter of fact....How the hell do you type when your...no offense....so frickin' huge?
Why should we listen to a talking glacial ridge? Even more concerning is how are you using a computer without frying it? Matter of fact....How the hell do you type when your...no offense....so frickin' huge?
Protostar
Apr 24th, 2008, 4:45 PM
ha ha assassin.
The outer ice fields melt and thaw as new ice fields build. It's a truth that the
Southern Polar Core has been building. Remember, the so called ocean liner of
passengers that were rescued because their ocean liner hit a glacier.
Now we know that that vessel was NOT an ocean liner but a leased ship from
canada leased for Scientific Studies. So, why do they lie?
The global warming scandal. THEY VANT YOUR DOLLARS....<big sucking fang>
inhaling your money... (still on ear meds, can you tell? ) hahahhahaha.
The outer ice fields melt and thaw as new ice fields build. It's a truth that the
Southern Polar Core has been building. Remember, the so called ocean liner of
passengers that were rescued because their ocean liner hit a glacier.
Now we know that that vessel was NOT an ocean liner but a leased ship from
canada leased for Scientific Studies. So, why do they lie?
The global warming scandal. THEY VANT YOUR DOLLARS....<big sucking fang>
inhaling your money... (still on ear meds, can you tell? ) hahahhahaha.
ryangti
Apr 24th, 2008, 6:46 PM
Arctic ice seen melting faster than anticipated!
Arctic ice may be melting faster than most climate change science has concluded, the conservation group WWF said in a report published on Thursday.
See the word MAYBE thats what im thinking.
When it happens then we will be more convinced until then worry about the food crisis.
http://www.enn.com/ecosystems/article/35240
Arctic ice may be melting faster than most climate change science has concluded, the conservation group WWF said in a report published on Thursday.
See the word MAYBE thats what im thinking.
When it happens then we will be more convinced until then worry about the food crisis.
http://www.enn.com/ecosystems/article/35240
Glacial Ridge
Apr 26th, 2008, 1:11 PM
We are not done melting just yet.
Check out this article and video. Arctic ice FLOWING out to sea.
"North Pole could be ice free in 2008"
http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn13779-north-pole-could-be-ice-free-in-2008.html
And the video showing actual flows and where they are going from October 2007 to March 2008.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S6oyTdkOWc&eurl=http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn13779-north-pole-could-be-ice-free-in-2008.html
Quote article>Moreover, an atmospheric phenomenon known as the Arctic oscillation (http://nsidc.org/arcticmet/patterns/arctic_oscillation.html) kicked into its strong, "positive", phase this winter. This is known to generate winds which push multi-year ice out of the Arctic along the east coast of Greenland<
This explains atleast in part that huge watervapor mass that hung over eastern Canada all winter.
Link to explaination of Arctic Oscillation:
http://nsidc.org/arcticmet/patterns/arctic_oscillation.html
My comment:
Might I add here ... Sending this much cold water from melting ice into the worlds oceans from both the north and south poles (don't forget the Isle of Wight size cube from earlier this year either) into warmer ocean waters produces a WATER VAPOR canopy, through a process called evaporation,(if you use watervapor satellite imagery you would see it) which is extending unto much of this planet blocking out the SUN which happens to be in the minimum phase of its cycle (for a couple of years now) producing the cooling effect we are now a witness to. The sun either wakes up or it don't, but we still have to process the earths heat (including core heat).
Check out this article and video. Arctic ice FLOWING out to sea.
"North Pole could be ice free in 2008"
http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn13779-north-pole-could-be-ice-free-in-2008.html
And the video showing actual flows and where they are going from October 2007 to March 2008.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S6oyTdkOWc&eurl=http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn13779-north-pole-could-be-ice-free-in-2008.html
Quote article>Moreover, an atmospheric phenomenon known as the Arctic oscillation (http://nsidc.org/arcticmet/patterns/arctic_oscillation.html) kicked into its strong, "positive", phase this winter. This is known to generate winds which push multi-year ice out of the Arctic along the east coast of Greenland<
This explains atleast in part that huge watervapor mass that hung over eastern Canada all winter.
Link to explaination of Arctic Oscillation:
http://nsidc.org/arcticmet/patterns/arctic_oscillation.html
My comment:
Might I add here ... Sending this much cold water from melting ice into the worlds oceans from both the north and south poles (don't forget the Isle of Wight size cube from earlier this year either) into warmer ocean waters produces a WATER VAPOR canopy, through a process called evaporation,(if you use watervapor satellite imagery you would see it) which is extending unto much of this planet blocking out the SUN which happens to be in the minimum phase of its cycle (for a couple of years now) producing the cooling effect we are now a witness to. The sun either wakes up or it don't, but we still have to process the earths heat (including core heat).
ryangti
Apr 26th, 2008, 5:08 PM
I had just come across that news so what affect would this have upon us?
Glacial Ridge
Apr 26th, 2008, 9:35 PM
I had just come across that news so what affect would this have upon us?
My opinion...for whatever it's worth...is an increase in precipitation as well as a change in weather patterns like the jet stream. But that's what they have been telling us.
That video of the ice flowing out of the arctic is a good one though. Don't ya think? Has the cube the size of the Isle of Wight come rolling by you? Probably wont. Basically Protostar was saying all winter the water vapor in the atmosphere is phenom, cause she was watching it on the water vapor satellites like,
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/eumet/neatl/loop-wv.html
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/eumet/neatl/loop-wv.html
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/west/nepac/loop-wv.html
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/PCPN/DATA/RT/na-wv-loop.html
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/west/epac/loop-wv.html
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/epac/loop-wv.html
http://www.jma.go.jp/en/gms/smallc.html?area=6&element=2&mode=JST
My opinion...for whatever it's worth...is an increase in precipitation as well as a change in weather patterns like the jet stream. But that's what they have been telling us.
That video of the ice flowing out of the arctic is a good one though. Don't ya think? Has the cube the size of the Isle of Wight come rolling by you? Probably wont. Basically Protostar was saying all winter the water vapor in the atmosphere is phenom, cause she was watching it on the water vapor satellites like,
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/eumet/neatl/loop-wv.html
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/eumet/neatl/loop-wv.html
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/west/nepac/loop-wv.html
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/PCPN/DATA/RT/na-wv-loop.html
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/west/epac/loop-wv.html
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/epac/loop-wv.html
http://www.jma.go.jp/en/gms/smallc.html?area=6&element=2&mode=JST
ryangti
May 2nd, 2008, 7:17 PM
Hi the news on the street is that its going to get cooler for the next decade,
Work that one out when they say the Arctic is supposedly melting.
Here is some new studies
http://article.wn.com/view/2008/05/02/Climate_change_at_poles_studied/
Work that one out when they say the Arctic is supposedly melting.
Here is some new studies
http://article.wn.com/view/2008/05/02/Climate_change_at_poles_studied/
Glacial Ridge
May 4th, 2008, 4:32 PM
Hi..Ryangti
Read the article and they are saying the trend is continued melting of the Arctic and the Antarctic will start to catch up.
Myself...I think that with all the cold water from both the north and south poles we should be keeping an eye on the Ocean conveyor belt, that distributes warm air around the earth. That cold water flowing into the Oceans is a double whammy because it is coming from both locations. If she (the Oceans Conveyor Belt) slows or stops does that mean we get weird pockets of hot and cold air sitting for longer periods of time on different continents???
But saved your article.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/science/20080502-1015-onthinice.html
Read the article and they are saying the trend is continued melting of the Arctic and the Antarctic will start to catch up.
Myself...I think that with all the cold water from both the north and south poles we should be keeping an eye on the Ocean conveyor belt, that distributes warm air around the earth. That cold water flowing into the Oceans is a double whammy because it is coming from both locations. If she (the Oceans Conveyor Belt) slows or stops does that mean we get weird pockets of hot and cold air sitting for longer periods of time on different continents???
But saved your article.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/science/20080502-1015-onthinice.html
Protostar
May 7th, 2008, 5:13 AM
The geo thermal gas that the greedy bastards are after is what is rising
at the poles melting the polar caps from below, And, at the same time, added ice mass at the base area thickening it, like candle wax.....
This has been going on for decades and when it changed the landscape everyone shreaked global warming. That is the process. Bring the energy up and out of the core. Naturally it would heat up the area surrounding the ground zero of the process.
The great ocean oscillation has a cycle too. It lasts approximately 1200 years.
It takes 1200 yrs for it complete one lap!
at the poles melting the polar caps from below, And, at the same time, added ice mass at the base area thickening it, like candle wax.....
This has been going on for decades and when it changed the landscape everyone shreaked global warming. That is the process. Bring the energy up and out of the core. Naturally it would heat up the area surrounding the ground zero of the process.
The great ocean oscillation has a cycle too. It lasts approximately 1200 years.
It takes 1200 yrs for it complete one lap!
alpha
May 8th, 2008, 8:20 AM
April ice data now available on MMAB Sea Analysis pages.
check the growth (South, April 08) compared to '06 and '07. I would say that is a DRAMATIC increase !!
check the growth (South, April 08) compared to '06 and '07. I would say that is a DRAMATIC increase !!
alpha
May 8th, 2008, 8:21 AM
if you haven't already bookmarked it (doh, forgot the link!)
http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/seaice/Historical.html
http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/seaice/Historical.html
alpha
May 8th, 2008, 11:16 AM
triple post, I know, sorry!
just got this and can't be bothered to edit other posts........
mainstream media catching on!!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=563104&in_page_id=1770
but....
they're still saying man made CO2 will keep the temps up and making a BOLD prediction that in 10 years time the temps will rise again.
How do they know what this Solar cycle is going to bring!?
:bondage:
just got this and can't be bothered to edit other posts........
mainstream media catching on!!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=563104&in_page_id=1770
but....
they're still saying man made CO2 will keep the temps up and making a BOLD prediction that in 10 years time the temps will rise again.
How do they know what this Solar cycle is going to bring!?
:bondage:
ryangti
May 8th, 2008, 4:56 PM
Thats not surprising
I have found a newer article for you all!
Climate Models Overheat Antarctica, New Study Finds.
Then again using microsoft windows vista who can say these prediction are true.
Ha ha only kidding.
http://article.wn.com/view/2008/05/08/Climate_Models_Overheat_Antarctica_New_Study_Finds/
I have found a newer article for you all!
Climate Models Overheat Antarctica, New Study Finds.
Then again using microsoft windows vista who can say these prediction are true.
Ha ha only kidding.
http://article.wn.com/view/2008/05/08/Climate_Models_Overheat_Antarctica_New_Study_Finds/
alpha
May 9th, 2008, 3:18 AM
if they can't predict the weather on Sunday properly, and they never can, they DEFINITELY can't predict what Antarctica is going to do.
The stats I posted are actual HISTORIC data; that is ALL they have to go on. Unless they're blind it's obvious the melting stopped in 2004 and it's been building back up again ever since! Year on year since '04 the ice has been getting thicker and wider at the South Pole.
But, now they're saying "Antarctica's different, it is not effected like the rest of the World with global warming", what a load of BS!
These Gov't / UN sponsored scientists are fekkin clueless !!!
The stats I posted are actual HISTORIC data; that is ALL they have to go on. Unless they're blind it's obvious the melting stopped in 2004 and it's been building back up again ever since! Year on year since '04 the ice has been getting thicker and wider at the South Pole.
But, now they're saying "Antarctica's different, it is not effected like the rest of the World with global warming", what a load of BS!
These Gov't / UN sponsored scientists are fekkin clueless !!!
olddragon
May 9th, 2008, 7:49 AM
They (scientist) have locked themselves into global warming. Now that it is proven that ocean temperatures are falling they have to invent new reasons why that is because of global warming.
That or admit they were wrong to begin with. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
That or admit they were wrong to begin with. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
ryangti
May 12th, 2008, 10:52 AM
Japan scientists warn Arctic ice melting fast.
Right lets see how many more say the same when they do all say the same then we maybe getting to the real truth.
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUST22148420080512
Right lets see how many more say the same when they do all say the same then we maybe getting to the real truth.
http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUST22148420080512
olddragon
May 12th, 2008, 11:07 AM
There is a Fed court case in (where else) California to force the wildlife department to put polar bears on the endangered species list. Even though there are more polar bears now than when they started keeping records. The suite would prohibit any building of any industry that could (in very broad language) do any damage to the sea ice.
In other words nothing new that consumes fossil fuels could be built in this country.
This could have far reaching effects. It could be used to stop all logging for instance.
Even though there are studies saying the sea ice is now growing again.
Some have gone as far as to say we are on the doorway of an ice age.
The facts are NO ONE KNOWS for sure what will happen, so let's stop everything just in case.
In other words nothing new that consumes fossil fuels could be built in this country.
This could have far reaching effects. It could be used to stop all logging for instance.
Even though there are studies saying the sea ice is now growing again.
Some have gone as far as to say we are on the doorway of an ice age.
The facts are NO ONE KNOWS for sure what will happen, so let's stop everything just in case.
Jake99
May 13th, 2008, 3:24 PM
I know if you stop producing the US sunday newspaper just once you save 500,000 trees from being cut down add to that the Christmas trees and all the profit based paperwork and the power needed for advertising signs. Before you know it there are logo's and tattoes all over the ball parks, clothing, products and the vista. The point is if the planet continues on the same foolish path the glaciers and Polar bears will be gone and so will we. I hope the law suit wins because I stand against everyone who wants to stay the course and its my planet that your systems are destroying which has had me at all out war with mans ways for 40 years.
ryangti
May 13th, 2008, 4:21 PM
So much for reducing C02!
Norways greenhouse emissions have risen!
http://www.wtop.com/?nid=105&sid=1402932
I say until we change then things will only get a lot worse.
Norways greenhouse emissions have risen!
http://www.wtop.com/?nid=105&sid=1402932
I say until we change then things will only get a lot worse.
alpha
May 14th, 2008, 11:35 AM
WTF !
what's Norway's emissions got to do with galciers melting rapidly ?
the warm climate up until 2004 was why the glaciers were melting rapidly, now you will notice ice growth at North and South pole since 2004 and the glaciers will follow, especially if the harsher winters continue all over the World!
where do you find this crap Ryan!?
emissions and CO2 has absolutely NOTHING to do with jack!!!
what's Norway's emissions got to do with galciers melting rapidly ?
the warm climate up until 2004 was why the glaciers were melting rapidly, now you will notice ice growth at North and South pole since 2004 and the glaciers will follow, especially if the harsher winters continue all over the World!
where do you find this crap Ryan!?
emissions and CO2 has absolutely NOTHING to do with jack!!!
ryangti
May 14th, 2008, 1:58 PM
The crap as you say is from hurricane report site which i get many of the weather and climate change reports.
I thought that emission increases are supposed to warm up the planet?
Any ways no offence taken!
Remember the story on the polar bears?
They now say officially that they are a threatened species due to the glacier melt.
This is from faux news okay!
They are calling it breaking news as they would typically.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/index.html
I thought that emission increases are supposed to warm up the planet?
Any ways no offence taken!
Remember the story on the polar bears?
They now say officially that they are a threatened species due to the glacier melt.
This is from faux news okay!
They are calling it breaking news as they would typically.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/index.html
alpha
May 15th, 2008, 11:22 AM
The crap as you say is from hurricane report site which i get many of the weather and climate change reports.
I thought that emission increases are supposed to warm up the planet?
Any ways no offence taken!
Remember the story on the polar bears?
They now say officially that they are a threatened species due to the glacier melt.
This is from faux news okay!
They are calling it breaking news as they would typically.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/index.html
No offence intended mate. Its the bandwagon fake / climatologist / journo crap I talk about Ryan, but it seems as though you believe them sometimes.
emission increases do not warm up the planet, greenhouse gases KEEP the planet warm, heat is trapped in by a mixture of natural and manmade gases. However, only 0.01% of the atmosphere (as we've said before) is made up of man made gases. So, no emissions do NOT warm up the planet.
you know what does: the Sun! the Master of our Solar system.
As Protostar keeps saying every Planet is effected by the Sun and the evidence accross our system is plain to see.
The fact that you are reporting on strange cloud formations etc is proof that there are other energies in the upper atmosphere at the moment; if they come down to ground level what are they going to do to the climate? wreak havoc I guess!
The other points about tectonic activity and the Earth's change in magnetism and the like also are affecting us.
China, Burma, our prayers go out to these poor people!
Faux news reported 5,000 earthquakes in the Reno region on live TV the other night; hurray some truth.
As for the Polar Bear BS, Protostar predicted that too. What-a-crock, there are more Polar Bears than ever! Blatant BS climate change stealth taxing hogwash!
WE (UK) had a warm spell, so what, it's May, we'd expect that. So soon after a cold spell, that's strange. There's something going on Worldwide but it AINT MAN MADE!
It's climate shift, sorry Earth Changes and it MIGHT be a big change!
I thought that emission increases are supposed to warm up the planet?
Any ways no offence taken!
Remember the story on the polar bears?
They now say officially that they are a threatened species due to the glacier melt.
This is from faux news okay!
They are calling it breaking news as they would typically.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/index.html
No offence intended mate. Its the bandwagon fake / climatologist / journo crap I talk about Ryan, but it seems as though you believe them sometimes.
emission increases do not warm up the planet, greenhouse gases KEEP the planet warm, heat is trapped in by a mixture of natural and manmade gases. However, only 0.01% of the atmosphere (as we've said before) is made up of man made gases. So, no emissions do NOT warm up the planet.
you know what does: the Sun! the Master of our Solar system.
As Protostar keeps saying every Planet is effected by the Sun and the evidence accross our system is plain to see.
The fact that you are reporting on strange cloud formations etc is proof that there are other energies in the upper atmosphere at the moment; if they come down to ground level what are they going to do to the climate? wreak havoc I guess!
The other points about tectonic activity and the Earth's change in magnetism and the like also are affecting us.
China, Burma, our prayers go out to these poor people!
Faux news reported 5,000 earthquakes in the Reno region on live TV the other night; hurray some truth.
As for the Polar Bear BS, Protostar predicted that too. What-a-crock, there are more Polar Bears than ever! Blatant BS climate change stealth taxing hogwash!
WE (UK) had a warm spell, so what, it's May, we'd expect that. So soon after a cold spell, that's strange. There's something going on Worldwide but it AINT MAN MADE!
It's climate shift, sorry Earth Changes and it MIGHT be a big change!
olddragon
May 15th, 2008, 2:22 PM
Don't forget that tornadoes are caused by cold air coming down on warm air unstable air masses.
If it was just warm air masses, nothing.
This polar bear crap is another way to get your money.
They will use it to stop any industry that is deemed to be a danger.
If it was just warm air masses, nothing.
This polar bear crap is another way to get your money.
They will use it to stop any industry that is deemed to be a danger.
ryangti
May 15th, 2008, 2:50 PM
I dont believe them until i see it attitude thats my philosophy.
No offence was taken ok!
I do suppose with some knowledge is to go there ourselves and see it with our own eyes,but then again we would still not know the truth.
It has to happen on a scale where we see cities gulped up by waves,then we would sit up and take notice.
We need see some real evidence i guess to be bought on the idea.
The weather as we see it seems to be more frequent lately and quite violent.
Maybe the world has become unbalanced and the earth is sick!
Rain, high winds move through Louisiana, killing 1
http://www.kentucky.com/522/story/405201.html
No offence was taken ok!
I do suppose with some knowledge is to go there ourselves and see it with our own eyes,but then again we would still not know the truth.
It has to happen on a scale where we see cities gulped up by waves,then we would sit up and take notice.
We need see some real evidence i guess to be bought on the idea.
The weather as we see it seems to be more frequent lately and quite violent.
Maybe the world has become unbalanced and the earth is sick!
Rain, high winds move through Louisiana, killing 1
http://www.kentucky.com/522/story/405201.html
Glacial Ridge
Dec 25th, 2008, 6:11 PM
Wow, got so cold out for alot of us and we have a tendency to forget about melting ice caps. Should keep up with it though. There are VOLCANOS down in the Antarctic too.
That said ...here is a fairly recent update to the Wilkins ice shelf.
Antarctica: Wilkins Ice Shelf Under Threat
ScienceDaily (Dec. 1, 2008) — New rifts have developed on the Wilkins Ice Shelf that could lead to the opening of the ice bridge that has been preventing the ice shelf from disintegrating and breaking away from the Antarctic Peninsula.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081128132029.htm
That said ...here is a fairly recent update to the Wilkins ice shelf.
Antarctica: Wilkins Ice Shelf Under Threat
ScienceDaily (Dec. 1, 2008) — New rifts have developed on the Wilkins Ice Shelf that could lead to the opening of the ice bridge that has been preventing the ice shelf from disintegrating and breaking away from the Antarctic Peninsula.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081128132029.htm
Glacial Ridge
Jan 2nd, 2009, 6:52 AM
Hey Archangel777
The greenhouse gases you mentioned do trap heat but at the same time also BLOCK sunlight. Our sun is just starting to awaken from a very long minimum in it's regular cycle. During this prolonged minimum we have seen some cooling. The Arctic froze over with NEW ice very quickly this year. Maybe not like the thick old ice, but a start.
If the sun continues to be quiet during this cycle we will be seeing more cooling again.
But if the sun's cycle turns out to be a BLASTER, it will continue to heat this planet to the outer core. Ice caps will continue melting at accelerated rates again.
Many debates currently raging on what this next sun cycle will turn out to be. Good points are being made from each side of the debate.
But this thread concerns melting of the ice caps.
The greenhouse gases you mentioned do trap heat but at the same time also BLOCK sunlight. Our sun is just starting to awaken from a very long minimum in it's regular cycle. During this prolonged minimum we have seen some cooling. The Arctic froze over with NEW ice very quickly this year. Maybe not like the thick old ice, but a start.
If the sun continues to be quiet during this cycle we will be seeing more cooling again.
But if the sun's cycle turns out to be a BLASTER, it will continue to heat this planet to the outer core. Ice caps will continue melting at accelerated rates again.
Many debates currently raging on what this next sun cycle will turn out to be. Good points are being made from each side of the debate.
But this thread concerns melting of the ice caps.
Jake99
Jan 2nd, 2009, 11:43 AM
Yeah thats totally insane! Its going to melt ALOT faster than we thought. Once all that ice floats out, it will melt in no time.
Back when I was taking Geography, I also noticed a trend, and our teacher mentioned it to us too, that the global warming will increase at an exponential level. This means that when they calculate it, they fail to take the exponential increase into account. This also means we have alot less time than we thought.
More Warming = More Fires/Greenhouse Gases (All the heat & Greenhouse Gases get trapped)
More Fires/Greenhouse Gases = More Warming (We have had soo many acres of fires in Cali.)
We are kind of on a level where we've screwed ourselves.
Use of colored font I found out is a delicate choice because some members use a different skin (choices btm left) and it can be difficult to read on the other backgrounds like "Peaceful Easy" which I am using since the naked Santa arrived on the standard skin page. If it was Carrie Underwood or Kelly Pickler that would be great but a fat old man I can do without that vision in my head.
If you stand behind me we can reverse the effects of global warming very quickly and if you do not the scientists predict very bad things will start happening soon.
Back when I was taking Geography, I also noticed a trend, and our teacher mentioned it to us too, that the global warming will increase at an exponential level. This means that when they calculate it, they fail to take the exponential increase into account. This also means we have alot less time than we thought.
More Warming = More Fires/Greenhouse Gases (All the heat & Greenhouse Gases get trapped)
More Fires/Greenhouse Gases = More Warming (We have had soo many acres of fires in Cali.)
We are kind of on a level where we've screwed ourselves.
Use of colored font I found out is a delicate choice because some members use a different skin (choices btm left) and it can be difficult to read on the other backgrounds like "Peaceful Easy" which I am using since the naked Santa arrived on the standard skin page. If it was Carrie Underwood or Kelly Pickler that would be great but a fat old man I can do without that vision in my head.
If you stand behind me we can reverse the effects of global warming very quickly and if you do not the scientists predict very bad things will start happening soon.
ryangti
Jan 2nd, 2009, 8:34 PM
Here is the new report from NASA which i tend to believe more than others.
Two trillion tons of land ice in Greenland Antartica and Alaska has melted since 2003.
So what does this then tell us its all made up?
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/12/16/healthscience/climate.php
Two trillion tons of land ice in Greenland Antartica and Alaska has melted since 2003.
So what does this then tell us its all made up?
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/12/16/healthscience/climate.php
alpha
Jan 3rd, 2009, 6:05 PM
Here is the new report from NASA which i tend to believe more than others.
Two trillion tons of land ice in Greenland Antartica and Alaska has melted since 2003.
So what does this then tell us its all made up?
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/12/16/healthscience/climate.php
Ryan!!!
since 2003 mate, 2003! cooling has literally just happened! since the Sun shut down in 2007, might have been 2006.
you might hazard a guess that it would take the Planet time to adjust to the lessening heat, no? seeing as it is a rather large thing, hey, the Earth I mean!
the Sun has NOT woken up in the last 2 years and we have seen SIGNIFICANT cooling Winter 2007 and now in Winter 2008 which I reckon will be a lot worse. Look at the Alps and Scottish ski resorts. Every single one of them reported "back to the old winters" amounts of snow and cold! 2 years on the trot and out of nowhere. They were all crapping themselves in 2006! Some stupid, state sponsored journo's are still reporting on this (to this very day on the BBC!) yet the data they are using is OBVIOUSLY well and truly ANCIENT! Muppets! the 50year experienced French Mountain Guide said to him, "ahh nothing to worry about now, last year and this year are excellent and it will continue for a good few years yet!" Do you think he knows more about Alpine conditions than a muppet crap skiier BBC journo! LMAFAO!!
the Glaciers will take decades to recover but that has or will start in earnest! funny thing Glaciers, they're are massive behemoths of things, they move at the pace of snail. MIGHT TAKE A FEW YEARS FOR THE ICE AND SNOW TO BUILD THEM AGAIN!
there's no use posting any article pre 2007 now! any data used in climate modelling before January 1st 2007 should be binned! IT DOES NOT CORRELATE WITH THE PREDICTIONS MADE BEFORE 2007 TO THE ACTUAL, YES A*C*T*U*A*L TEMPERATURES RECORDED!
The Glaciers will return and the process for re-growth has started already, in 2007!
Until the Sun wakes up again it's going to continue, ad infinitum !
COOLING THAT IS!!!
Two trillion tons of land ice in Greenland Antartica and Alaska has melted since 2003.
So what does this then tell us its all made up?
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/12/16/healthscience/climate.php
Ryan!!!
since 2003 mate, 2003! cooling has literally just happened! since the Sun shut down in 2007, might have been 2006.
you might hazard a guess that it would take the Planet time to adjust to the lessening heat, no? seeing as it is a rather large thing, hey, the Earth I mean!
the Sun has NOT woken up in the last 2 years and we have seen SIGNIFICANT cooling Winter 2007 and now in Winter 2008 which I reckon will be a lot worse. Look at the Alps and Scottish ski resorts. Every single one of them reported "back to the old winters" amounts of snow and cold! 2 years on the trot and out of nowhere. They were all crapping themselves in 2006! Some stupid, state sponsored journo's are still reporting on this (to this very day on the BBC!) yet the data they are using is OBVIOUSLY well and truly ANCIENT! Muppets! the 50year experienced French Mountain Guide said to him, "ahh nothing to worry about now, last year and this year are excellent and it will continue for a good few years yet!" Do you think he knows more about Alpine conditions than a muppet crap skiier BBC journo! LMAFAO!!
the Glaciers will take decades to recover but that has or will start in earnest! funny thing Glaciers, they're are massive behemoths of things, they move at the pace of snail. MIGHT TAKE A FEW YEARS FOR THE ICE AND SNOW TO BUILD THEM AGAIN!
there's no use posting any article pre 2007 now! any data used in climate modelling before January 1st 2007 should be binned! IT DOES NOT CORRELATE WITH THE PREDICTIONS MADE BEFORE 2007 TO THE ACTUAL, YES A*C*T*U*A*L TEMPERATURES RECORDED!
The Glaciers will return and the process for re-growth has started already, in 2007!
Until the Sun wakes up again it's going to continue, ad infinitum !
COOLING THAT IS!!!
Nasik
Jan 7th, 2009, 11:20 PM
Ryan!!!
since 2003 mate, 2003! cooling has literally just happened! since the Sun shut down in 2007, might have been 2006.
[...]
the Sun has NOT woken up in the last 2 years and we have seen SIGNIFICANT cooling Winter 2007 and now in Winter 2008 which I reckon will be a lot worse. Look at the Alps and Scottish ski resorts.
[...]
there's no use posting any article pre 2007 now! any data used in climate modelling before January 1st 2007 should be binned! IT DOES NOT CORRELATE WITH THE PREDICTIONS MADE BEFORE 2007 TO THE ACTUAL, YES A*C*T*U*A*L TEMPERATURES RECORDED!
Really? Sorry, but I have to keep it honest in this thread.
2007 SECOND WARMEST YEAR ON RECORD
Northern Hemisphere Temperature Highest Ever
The year 2007 fits into a pattern of steadily increasing global average temperature, with the eight warmest years on record all occurring in the last decade. According to the dataset maintained by NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, global average temperature rose from 14.02 degrees Celsius in the 1970s to 14.26 degrees in the 1980s and then to 14.40 degrees in the 1990s. In the first eight years of the twenty-first century, the world averaged 14.64 degrees Celsius. (See data (http://www.earth-policy.org/Indicators/Temp/2008_data.htm#table1).) Since 1990, mean global temperature has risen by 0.33 degrees, a rate of increase faster than climate models had predicted.
[...]
With the record for 2007 now complete, it is clear that temperatures around the world are continuing their upward climb. The global average in 2007 was 14.73 degrees Celsius (58.5 degrees Fahrenheit)—the second warmest year on record, only 0.03 degrees Celsius behind the 2005 maximum. January 2007 was the hottest January ever measured, a full 0.23 degrees Celsius warmer than the previous record. August was also a record for that month and September was the second warmest September recorded.
Source (http://www.earth-policy.org/Indicators/Temp/2008.htm)
Here is what NASA had to say about the temperatures in 2007:
The year 2007 tied for second warmest in the period of instrumental data, behind the record warmth of 2005, in the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) analysis. 2007 tied 1998, which had leapt a remarkable 0.2°C above the prior record with the help of the "El Niño of the century". The unusual warmth in 2007 is noteworthy because it occurs at a time when solar irradiance is at a minimum and the equatorial Pacific Ocean is in the cool phase of its natural El Niño-La Niña cycle. [emphasis mine]
Link to source (http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/)
I don't know about you but my math skills function enough that I can understand these numbers indicate an ongoing warming trend.
I suggest, in light of the weight of expert opinion and data against you, that you revisit your views on this subject.
since 2003 mate, 2003! cooling has literally just happened! since the Sun shut down in 2007, might have been 2006.
[...]
the Sun has NOT woken up in the last 2 years and we have seen SIGNIFICANT cooling Winter 2007 and now in Winter 2008 which I reckon will be a lot worse. Look at the Alps and Scottish ski resorts.
[...]
there's no use posting any article pre 2007 now! any data used in climate modelling before January 1st 2007 should be binned! IT DOES NOT CORRELATE WITH THE PREDICTIONS MADE BEFORE 2007 TO THE ACTUAL, YES A*C*T*U*A*L TEMPERATURES RECORDED!
Really? Sorry, but I have to keep it honest in this thread.
2007 SECOND WARMEST YEAR ON RECORD
Northern Hemisphere Temperature Highest Ever
The year 2007 fits into a pattern of steadily increasing global average temperature, with the eight warmest years on record all occurring in the last decade. According to the dataset maintained by NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, global average temperature rose from 14.02 degrees Celsius in the 1970s to 14.26 degrees in the 1980s and then to 14.40 degrees in the 1990s. In the first eight years of the twenty-first century, the world averaged 14.64 degrees Celsius. (See data (http://www.earth-policy.org/Indicators/Temp/2008_data.htm#table1).) Since 1990, mean global temperature has risen by 0.33 degrees, a rate of increase faster than climate models had predicted.
[...]
With the record for 2007 now complete, it is clear that temperatures around the world are continuing their upward climb. The global average in 2007 was 14.73 degrees Celsius (58.5 degrees Fahrenheit)—the second warmest year on record, only 0.03 degrees Celsius behind the 2005 maximum. January 2007 was the hottest January ever measured, a full 0.23 degrees Celsius warmer than the previous record. August was also a record for that month and September was the second warmest September recorded.
Source (http://www.earth-policy.org/Indicators/Temp/2008.htm)
Here is what NASA had to say about the temperatures in 2007:
The year 2007 tied for second warmest in the period of instrumental data, behind the record warmth of 2005, in the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) analysis. 2007 tied 1998, which had leapt a remarkable 0.2°C above the prior record with the help of the "El Niño of the century". The unusual warmth in 2007 is noteworthy because it occurs at a time when solar irradiance is at a minimum and the equatorial Pacific Ocean is in the cool phase of its natural El Niño-La Niña cycle. [emphasis mine]
Link to source (http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/)
I don't know about you but my math skills function enough that I can understand these numbers indicate an ongoing warming trend.
I suggest, in light of the weight of expert opinion and data against you, that you revisit your views on this subject.
Protostar
Jan 8th, 2009, 5:08 AM
Unfortunately, you have not read the journals. They got caught LYING.
2008 was the COOLEST. they lied and got caught. funny how you didnt'
see that or even acknowledged the fact. its all over the threads about the
lie...
may I suggest that you FREAKED OUT stop reading BYLINES and news outlets
and start getting your info from the UNIVERSITIES and the AGu
You read the mainstream media which is paid by people pushing the
global warming lie. STEP AWAY FROM THE GREEDY CAPITOLISTS.
http://www.talkingabouttheweather.com/
will TEACH YOU.
Let us talk about the missing glacial ice and/or ice fields...
Why did they melt?
THEY PUT A MILLION ACRE BLANET OVER THE SHELF TO TRY TO SAVE IT BUT IT MELTED IT RAPIDALLY.
Whats the matter? you dont believe it? That is because you dont
READ UNIVERSITY/SCIENCE RECORDS.
You don't have a clue. How can you opine, when you don't even
have the slightest idea of what is really going on?
for gods sakes, THERE IS NO LAND MASS IN ANTARCTIC.
IT'S A WATER WORLD DOWN THERE.
get a fucking clue will ya?
your source is from POLICY MAKERS.
get a grip on reality will ya. ya pissing me off.
2008 was the COOLEST. they lied and got caught. funny how you didnt'
see that or even acknowledged the fact. its all over the threads about the
lie...
may I suggest that you FREAKED OUT stop reading BYLINES and news outlets
and start getting your info from the UNIVERSITIES and the AGu
You read the mainstream media which is paid by people pushing the
global warming lie. STEP AWAY FROM THE GREEDY CAPITOLISTS.
http://www.talkingabouttheweather.com/
will TEACH YOU.
Let us talk about the missing glacial ice and/or ice fields...
Why did they melt?
THEY PUT A MILLION ACRE BLANET OVER THE SHELF TO TRY TO SAVE IT BUT IT MELTED IT RAPIDALLY.
Whats the matter? you dont believe it? That is because you dont
READ UNIVERSITY/SCIENCE RECORDS.
You don't have a clue. How can you opine, when you don't even
have the slightest idea of what is really going on?
for gods sakes, THERE IS NO LAND MASS IN ANTARCTIC.
IT'S A WATER WORLD DOWN THERE.
get a fucking clue will ya?
your source is from POLICY MAKERS.
get a grip on reality will ya. ya pissing me off.
Nasik
Jan 8th, 2009, 4:00 PM
Hey Proto - don't get your friggin panties in a knot, pull them out of your tight ass along with the stick that's shoved up there. (I think there's clinics that actually help you with the stick up the ass thing, why don't you google it)
Instead of all your barking why don't you post a link to support your 2008 is the coldest year allegation. I don't want to hear you howling and moaning like a stray bitch in heat, just give me the stupid link.
I forgot, you're an expert in what was it again? Bullshit? :)
Hugs and Kisses !
FO
Instead of all your barking why don't you post a link to support your 2008 is the coldest year allegation. I don't want to hear you howling and moaning like a stray bitch in heat, just give me the stupid link.
I forgot, you're an expert in what was it again? Bullshit? :)
Hugs and Kisses !
FO
ryangti
Jan 8th, 2009, 4:45 PM
Hot weather blasted the country today with temperatures in Christchurch reaching 40 degrees Celsius. Hotter than normal temperatures were widespread over New Zealand with 12 locations between Timaru and Gisborne recording temperatures of more than 30degC.
New zealand or Australia and many other countries either face arctic weather or mega heat waves,it is kind of confusing to say i suppose the ice caps are melting faster.
I guess we would have to be there for sometime to see if the ice was rapidly melting,as im sure satelite pictures tell us and so do the scientists stationed there.
2008 was cooler than the previous year they still argue earth is getting warmer what do you think?
http://article.wn.com/view/2009/01/06/Asia_on_the_global_warming_boil/
New zealand or Australia and many other countries either face arctic weather or mega heat waves,it is kind of confusing to say i suppose the ice caps are melting faster.
I guess we would have to be there for sometime to see if the ice was rapidly melting,as im sure satelite pictures tell us and so do the scientists stationed there.
2008 was cooler than the previous year they still argue earth is getting warmer what do you think?
http://article.wn.com/view/2009/01/06/Asia_on_the_global_warming_boil/
Glacial Ridge
Jan 8th, 2009, 9:53 PM
Well ... Well thought this was the Glaciers Melting Rapidly thread?
Looks like a climate change debate.
It's about as confusing as the current SUN CYCLE.
Hey Freaked OUT ..what connects sun and earth?
Here's an article for the both of you.
Jan 6, 2009
Asia on the global warming boil
By Nick Cumming-Bruce
GENEVA - For anyone interested in the weather, the good news is that 2008 was cooler than the previous year. The bad news is that the world is still getting hotter and that greater variability in weather brought on by climate (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/KA06Ae01.html#) change resulted in or contributed to extreme weather that killed hundreds of people in Southeast Asia in 2008 and affected the lives of millions across the region.
At least so says the World Meteorological Organization (WMO), the United Nation's Geneva-based climate monitoring agency, working with other leading agencies in the United Kingdom and the United States. It's not a view, of course, that finds universal acceptance.
The heavy snowfalls now experienced across much of the US and Canada - the heaviest in 30 years for Las Vegas - have been seized by global warming skeptics with ammunition for the reverse case. Indeed, "2008 was the year man-made global warming was disproved", a recent UK newspaper headline proclaimed. "Global temperatures have dropped sharply enough to cancel out much of their net rise in the 20th century," the article claimed.
That's not what emerged from WMO data. The average global temperature in 2008 was lower than in the previous years of this century, it agrees, as the result of a La Nina event - a cooling of sea temperatures - in the latter half of 2007, according to the WMO.
However, 2008 was still the tenth-warmest year in 150 years since temperature records were kept and all the years that were hotter than 2008 occurred in the last 12 years, the WMO reported. "The trend for warming is still very much there," WMO secretary general Michel Jarraud commented.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/KA06Ae01.html
OH hey Ryangti, year without a summer mean anything to you?
I for one am glad that the sun is not BLASTING US AGAIN, like it had been for the last 7 seven cycles in a ROW and that at least for the last couple of years it has been quiet. Earth is still processing that additional energy. Look at the Earth quake moniters. Look at the number of Volcanic eruptions. Where did all that extra HEAT energy come from that caused the outer core of this planet to EXPAND? Did the atmosphere also witness to you extra HEAT energy? What happened in the entire solar system during this same time period that Earth experienced its warming? Did the poles on Mars melt? Did they find auroras on Jupiter and Saturn? Where there atmospheric changes on Saturn, like growing more red spots? Did the outer planets experience magnetic reversals?
Looks like a climate change debate.
It's about as confusing as the current SUN CYCLE.
Hey Freaked OUT ..what connects sun and earth?
Here's an article for the both of you.
Jan 6, 2009
Asia on the global warming boil
By Nick Cumming-Bruce
GENEVA - For anyone interested in the weather, the good news is that 2008 was cooler than the previous year. The bad news is that the world is still getting hotter and that greater variability in weather brought on by climate (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/KA06Ae01.html#) change resulted in or contributed to extreme weather that killed hundreds of people in Southeast Asia in 2008 and affected the lives of millions across the region.
At least so says the World Meteorological Organization (WMO), the United Nation's Geneva-based climate monitoring agency, working with other leading agencies in the United Kingdom and the United States. It's not a view, of course, that finds universal acceptance.
The heavy snowfalls now experienced across much of the US and Canada - the heaviest in 30 years for Las Vegas - have been seized by global warming skeptics with ammunition for the reverse case. Indeed, "2008 was the year man-made global warming was disproved", a recent UK newspaper headline proclaimed. "Global temperatures have dropped sharply enough to cancel out much of their net rise in the 20th century," the article claimed.
That's not what emerged from WMO data. The average global temperature in 2008 was lower than in the previous years of this century, it agrees, as the result of a La Nina event - a cooling of sea temperatures - in the latter half of 2007, according to the WMO.
However, 2008 was still the tenth-warmest year in 150 years since temperature records were kept and all the years that were hotter than 2008 occurred in the last 12 years, the WMO reported. "The trend for warming is still very much there," WMO secretary general Michel Jarraud commented.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/KA06Ae01.html
OH hey Ryangti, year without a summer mean anything to you?
I for one am glad that the sun is not BLASTING US AGAIN, like it had been for the last 7 seven cycles in a ROW and that at least for the last couple of years it has been quiet. Earth is still processing that additional energy. Look at the Earth quake moniters. Look at the number of Volcanic eruptions. Where did all that extra HEAT energy come from that caused the outer core of this planet to EXPAND? Did the atmosphere also witness to you extra HEAT energy? What happened in the entire solar system during this same time period that Earth experienced its warming? Did the poles on Mars melt? Did they find auroras on Jupiter and Saturn? Where there atmospheric changes on Saturn, like growing more red spots? Did the outer planets experience magnetic reversals?
Glacial Ridge
Jan 8th, 2009, 10:13 PM
One more thing before I hit the sack.
Which two other greenhouse gases have a bigger heat trapping as well as sun blocking effect.
Your clue.
http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/data_htdocs_dyn/sat_pages/thumbs/global/stitched/vapor/50_20090109.0000.multisat.wv.stitched.Global.x.jpg (http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/sat-bin/display10.cgi?SIZE=full&PHOT=yes&AREA=global/stitched&PROD=vapor&TYPE=ssmi&NAV=global&DISPLAY=Prev&ARCHIVE=Latest&CGI=global.cgi&CURRENT=20090109.0000.multisat.wv.stitched.Global. x.jpg&MOSAIC_SCALE=15)
http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/sat-bin/display10.cgi?PHOT=yes&AREA=global/stitched&PROD=vapor&NAV=global&CGI=global.cgi&DISPLAY=Prev&MOSAIC_SCALE=15&CURRENT=20090109.0000.multisat.wv.stitched.Global. x.jpg&CGI=global.cgi
Water vapor and Methane.
Which two other greenhouse gases have a bigger heat trapping as well as sun blocking effect.
Your clue.
http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/data_htdocs_dyn/sat_pages/thumbs/global/stitched/vapor/50_20090109.0000.multisat.wv.stitched.Global.x.jpg (http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/sat-bin/display10.cgi?SIZE=full&PHOT=yes&AREA=global/stitched&PROD=vapor&TYPE=ssmi&NAV=global&DISPLAY=Prev&ARCHIVE=Latest&CGI=global.cgi&CURRENT=20090109.0000.multisat.wv.stitched.Global. x.jpg&MOSAIC_SCALE=15)
http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/sat-bin/display10.cgi?PHOT=yes&AREA=global/stitched&PROD=vapor&NAV=global&CGI=global.cgi&DISPLAY=Prev&MOSAIC_SCALE=15&CURRENT=20090109.0000.multisat.wv.stitched.Global. x.jpg&CGI=global.cgi
Water vapor and Methane.
raphnix
Jan 9th, 2009, 2:22 AM
I think this theory might support some answers why there's global temp. down instead of global warming...
The tilt of the earth relative to its plane of travel about the sun is what causes seasons. The hemisphere "pointing toward" the sun is in summer, while the opposite hemisphere is in winter. The earth makes one full orbit around the sun each year. The northern hemisphere is in summer in the left image, while 6 months later, the southern hemisphere has summer, as in the center image. If the earth's axis were "straight up and down" relative to the orbital plane, as in the right-hand image, there would be no seasons, since every point on the earth would receive the same amount of sun each day of the year.
Changes in the "tilt" of the earth can change the severity of the seasons - more "tilt" means more severe seasons - warmer summers and colder winters; less "tilt" means less severe seasons - cooler summers and milder winters. The earth wobbles in space so that its tilt changes between about 22 and 25 degrees on a cycle of about 41,000 years. It is the cool summers which are thought to allow snow and ice to last from year to year in high latitudes, eventually building up into massive ice sheets. There are positive feedbacks in the climate system as well, because an earth covered with more snow reflects more of the sun's energy into space, causing additional cooling. In addition, it appears that the amount of Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere falls as ice sheets grow, also adding to the cooling of the climate.
The earth's orbit around the sun is not quite circular, which means that the earth is slightly closer to the sun at some times of the year than others. The closest approach of the earth to the sun is called perihelion, and it now occurs in January, making northern hemisphere winters slightly milder. This change in timing of perihelion is known as the precession of the equinoxes, and occurs on a period of 22,000 years. 11,000 years ago, perihelion occurred in July, making the seasons more severe than today. The "roundness", or eccentricity, of the earth's orbit varies on cycles of 100,000 and 400,000 years, and this affects how important the timing of perihelion is to the strength of the seasons. The combination of the 41,000 year tilt cycle and the 22,000 year precession cycles, plus the smaller eccentricity signal, affect the relative severity of summer and winter, and are thought to control the growth and retreat of ice sheets. Cool summers in the northern hemisphere, where most of the earth's land mass is located, appear to allow snow and ice to persist to the next winter, allowing the development of large ice sheets over hundreds to thousands of years. Conversely, warmer summers shrink ice sheets by melting more ice than the amount accumulating during the winter.
from: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/milankovitch.html
The tilt of the earth relative to its plane of travel about the sun is what causes seasons. The hemisphere "pointing toward" the sun is in summer, while the opposite hemisphere is in winter. The earth makes one full orbit around the sun each year. The northern hemisphere is in summer in the left image, while 6 months later, the southern hemisphere has summer, as in the center image. If the earth's axis were "straight up and down" relative to the orbital plane, as in the right-hand image, there would be no seasons, since every point on the earth would receive the same amount of sun each day of the year.
Changes in the "tilt" of the earth can change the severity of the seasons - more "tilt" means more severe seasons - warmer summers and colder winters; less "tilt" means less severe seasons - cooler summers and milder winters. The earth wobbles in space so that its tilt changes between about 22 and 25 degrees on a cycle of about 41,000 years. It is the cool summers which are thought to allow snow and ice to last from year to year in high latitudes, eventually building up into massive ice sheets. There are positive feedbacks in the climate system as well, because an earth covered with more snow reflects more of the sun's energy into space, causing additional cooling. In addition, it appears that the amount of Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere falls as ice sheets grow, also adding to the cooling of the climate.
The earth's orbit around the sun is not quite circular, which means that the earth is slightly closer to the sun at some times of the year than others. The closest approach of the earth to the sun is called perihelion, and it now occurs in January, making northern hemisphere winters slightly milder. This change in timing of perihelion is known as the precession of the equinoxes, and occurs on a period of 22,000 years. 11,000 years ago, perihelion occurred in July, making the seasons more severe than today. The "roundness", or eccentricity, of the earth's orbit varies on cycles of 100,000 and 400,000 years, and this affects how important the timing of perihelion is to the strength of the seasons. The combination of the 41,000 year tilt cycle and the 22,000 year precession cycles, plus the smaller eccentricity signal, affect the relative severity of summer and winter, and are thought to control the growth and retreat of ice sheets. Cool summers in the northern hemisphere, where most of the earth's land mass is located, appear to allow snow and ice to persist to the next winter, allowing the development of large ice sheets over hundreds to thousands of years. Conversely, warmer summers shrink ice sheets by melting more ice than the amount accumulating during the winter.
from: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/milankovitch.html
Protostar
Jan 9th, 2009, 9:10 AM
Ok freaked out I guess you have NEVER CLICKED THE LINKS associated
with any threads since you missed it. heh.
Calling names? I didn't realize that you were an adolescent.
That explains it. frustration =screaming and name calling to kids....
Try to catch up and click a link every once in awhile.
I gave the entire website address, now pay attention next time..
<giss mean anything to you?>
glacial you are right. this is glaciers melting thread..
The south pole is frozen solid so no S.Pole webcam at this time
and the N.Pole webcam is a still shot. Graphs and Data centers only
have old info.
I gotta tell ya that they are drilling and blasting around the north pole
releasing pockets of geothermal heat. I can't see how any glacier can
withstand that...but they do.
with any threads since you missed it. heh.
Calling names? I didn't realize that you were an adolescent.
That explains it. frustration =screaming and name calling to kids....
Try to catch up and click a link every once in awhile.
I gave the entire website address, now pay attention next time..
<giss mean anything to you?>
glacial you are right. this is glaciers melting thread..
The south pole is frozen solid so no S.Pole webcam at this time
and the N.Pole webcam is a still shot. Graphs and Data centers only
have old info.
I gotta tell ya that they are drilling and blasting around the north pole
releasing pockets of geothermal heat. I can't see how any glacier can
withstand that...but they do.
alpha
Jan 9th, 2009, 9:25 AM
Hey Proto - don't get your friggin panties in a knot, pull them out of your tight ass along with the stick that's shoved up there. (I think there's clinics that actually help you with the stick up the ass thing, why don't you google it)
Instead of all your barking why don't you post a link to support your 2008 is the coldest year allegation. I don't want to hear you howling and moaning like a stray bitch in heat, just give me the stupid link.
I forgot, you're an expert in what was it again? Bullshit? :)
Hugs and Kisses !
FO
I share her frustrations with people like you....
the links are all over the place; as Protostar says you have to read the info from the Universities and decipher the data from the new experiments. Also, there's nothing like LIVE data which has shown 2 consecutive cold winters!
if you notice, and this has happened on countless occasions, one part of NASA produces some data or an article that looks interesting and damaging to the global warming trend, within a few days the other half of NASA, the sordid half, wipes it off the site and we're back being fed the bullshit!
also, your articles are steeped in ambiguity. Just read what they are saying. they are taking averages over a 150 year period and taking averages about the last 10 years. The climate changes every second, how can you possibly make sweeping predictions like they do. And also not take in to consideration the major cooling phases of the 1600's!
I stand by my reply! global warming has JUST stopped. forget your climate models and start again from MID 2007. Cycle 23 is still going but the Sun's output has diminished to a crawl.
and that is FACT!
wild sweeping predictions and ambiguous modelling, such as Mann's tree rings are badly conceived and do not tell the truth!
Instead of all your barking why don't you post a link to support your 2008 is the coldest year allegation. I don't want to hear you howling and moaning like a stray bitch in heat, just give me the stupid link.
I forgot, you're an expert in what was it again? Bullshit? :)
Hugs and Kisses !
FO
I share her frustrations with people like you....
the links are all over the place; as Protostar says you have to read the info from the Universities and decipher the data from the new experiments. Also, there's nothing like LIVE data which has shown 2 consecutive cold winters!
if you notice, and this has happened on countless occasions, one part of NASA produces some data or an article that looks interesting and damaging to the global warming trend, within a few days the other half of NASA, the sordid half, wipes it off the site and we're back being fed the bullshit!
also, your articles are steeped in ambiguity. Just read what they are saying. they are taking averages over a 150 year period and taking averages about the last 10 years. The climate changes every second, how can you possibly make sweeping predictions like they do. And also not take in to consideration the major cooling phases of the 1600's!
I stand by my reply! global warming has JUST stopped. forget your climate models and start again from MID 2007. Cycle 23 is still going but the Sun's output has diminished to a crawl.
and that is FACT!
wild sweeping predictions and ambiguous modelling, such as Mann's tree rings are badly conceived and do not tell the truth!
krakatoa
Jan 9th, 2009, 10:25 AM
Cross country ski event disrupted; some areas see 60 below for days
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28560277/
You can see a lot more about the weather on this page!!! a lot happening now because of cold temps.
Krakatoa.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28560277/
You can see a lot more about the weather on this page!!! a lot happening now because of cold temps.
Krakatoa.
Nasik
Jan 9th, 2009, 11:48 AM
I share her frustrations with people like you....
the links are all over the place; as Protostar says you have to read the info from the Universities and decipher the data from the new experiments. Also, there's nothing like LIVE data which has shown 2 consecutive cold winters!
if you notice, and this has happened on countless occasions, one part of NASA produces some data or an article that looks interesting and damaging to the global warming trend, within a few days the other half of NASA, the sordid half, wipes it off the site and we're back being fed the bullshit!
also, your articles are steeped in ambiguity. Just read what they are saying. they are taking averages over a 150 year period and taking averages about the last 10 years. The climate changes every second, how can you possibly make sweeping predictions like they do. And also not take in to consideration the major cooling phases of the 1600's!
I stand by my reply! global warming has JUST stopped. forget your climate models and start again from MID 2007. Cycle 23 is still going but the Sun's output has diminished to a crawl.
and that is FACT!
wild sweeping predictions and ambiguous modelling, such as Mann's tree rings are badly conceived and do not tell the truth!
That's great, because it means you can empathise with my ongoing frustration with people like you....
There are two modus operandi: 1) misinterpet the data, as you have been known to do as some sort of self-styled scientist - in fact, as I've shown, you managed to screw up the interpretation of data from a link you posted to support your postion. Your errors were soundly corrected by the author of the site (recall my email query and response)
2) Ignore evidence presented to you and dismiss it as some sort of government conspiracy. In this case, there is no winning with people like you because your staunch support of your own theory doesn't hinge upon anything practical or scientific, it borders on a cultish religious fervor and so who can win. I can provide, if we want to start counting... four scientists and opinions to support my position for your every one dissenting opinion.
Just because your say, "its a FACT" forgive me if I don't find it persuasive. You have a history of getting your facts wrong.
It really is amusing.
the links are all over the place; as Protostar says you have to read the info from the Universities and decipher the data from the new experiments. Also, there's nothing like LIVE data which has shown 2 consecutive cold winters!
if you notice, and this has happened on countless occasions, one part of NASA produces some data or an article that looks interesting and damaging to the global warming trend, within a few days the other half of NASA, the sordid half, wipes it off the site and we're back being fed the bullshit!
also, your articles are steeped in ambiguity. Just read what they are saying. they are taking averages over a 150 year period and taking averages about the last 10 years. The climate changes every second, how can you possibly make sweeping predictions like they do. And also not take in to consideration the major cooling phases of the 1600's!
I stand by my reply! global warming has JUST stopped. forget your climate models and start again from MID 2007. Cycle 23 is still going but the Sun's output has diminished to a crawl.
and that is FACT!
wild sweeping predictions and ambiguous modelling, such as Mann's tree rings are badly conceived and do not tell the truth!
That's great, because it means you can empathise with my ongoing frustration with people like you....
There are two modus operandi: 1) misinterpet the data, as you have been known to do as some sort of self-styled scientist - in fact, as I've shown, you managed to screw up the interpretation of data from a link you posted to support your postion. Your errors were soundly corrected by the author of the site (recall my email query and response)
2) Ignore evidence presented to you and dismiss it as some sort of government conspiracy. In this case, there is no winning with people like you because your staunch support of your own theory doesn't hinge upon anything practical or scientific, it borders on a cultish religious fervor and so who can win. I can provide, if we want to start counting... four scientists and opinions to support my position for your every one dissenting opinion.
Just because your say, "its a FACT" forgive me if I don't find it persuasive. You have a history of getting your facts wrong.
It really is amusing.
Glacial Ridge
Jan 9th, 2009, 12:27 PM
You are right Alpha. Sun is at a crawl. So much so that it has those who are trying to predict what cycle 24 will bring all FREAKED OUT!! For 7 cycles in a row we were blasted!
Un precedented in the sunspot cycle record. Now the sun is quiet and crawling along. Whew, we could use some of it's magnetic strength to help our solar system through that interstellar cloud surrounding our solar system! All factors that trickle down to us as weather.
But if you don't understand what the sun's input into the solar system does, then jump on the AGW numbers game. eh
Un precedented in the sunspot cycle record. Now the sun is quiet and crawling along. Whew, we could use some of it's magnetic strength to help our solar system through that interstellar cloud surrounding our solar system! All factors that trickle down to us as weather.
But if you don't understand what the sun's input into the solar system does, then jump on the AGW numbers game. eh
Nasik
Jan 9th, 2009, 12:50 PM
You are right Alpha. Sun is at a crawl. So much so that it has those who are trying to predict what cycle 24 will bring all FREAKED OUT!! For 7 cycles in a row we were blasted!
Un precedented in the sunspot cycle record. Now the sun is quiet and crawling along. Whew, we could use some of it's magnetic strength to help our solar system through that interstellar cloud surrounding our solar system! All factors that trickle down to us as weather.
But if you don't understand what the sun's input into the solar system does, then jump on the AGW numbers game. eh
RRRRiiiiiggggttt, I get it: all the scientists that are warning of GW have failed to this into account. You guys are friggin geniuses.
Un precedented in the sunspot cycle record. Now the sun is quiet and crawling along. Whew, we could use some of it's magnetic strength to help our solar system through that interstellar cloud surrounding our solar system! All factors that trickle down to us as weather.
But if you don't understand what the sun's input into the solar system does, then jump on the AGW numbers game. eh
RRRRiiiiiggggttt, I get it: all the scientists that are warning of GW have failed to this into account. You guys are friggin geniuses.
Nasik
Jan 9th, 2009, 3:29 PM
Ok freaked out I guess you have NEVER CLICKED THE LINKS associated
with any threads since you missed it. heh.
Calling names? I didn't realize that you were an adolescent.
That explains it. frustration =screaming and name calling to kids....
Try to catch up and click a link every once in awhile.
I gave the entire website address, now pay attention next time..
Who said I was pissed? I ♥ debating this stuff. Let's just say I sensed your mood and tried to lighten it up while at the same time offering some valuable medical advice.
Call it naïveté, but I happen to believe the opinion of the vast majority of scientists on this issue.
with any threads since you missed it. heh.
Calling names? I didn't realize that you were an adolescent.
That explains it. frustration =screaming and name calling to kids....
Try to catch up and click a link every once in awhile.
I gave the entire website address, now pay attention next time..
Who said I was pissed? I ♥ debating this stuff. Let's just say I sensed your mood and tried to lighten it up while at the same time offering some valuable medical advice.
Call it naïveté, but I happen to believe the opinion of the vast majority of scientists on this issue.
Protostar
Jan 10th, 2009, 4:25 AM
honey you are walking on the wrong side of the street here.
You obviously have "drank the "Koolaid" and you still didn't
research anything. too bad, so sad, but I still like ya.
You got guts coming in and blowing your snot all over the threads.
aah, so how's your weather today? nice and warm are we?
<keep knickers low> having a sale on all sorts of energy supplies in your
parts? Why keep the knickers low? because YOU BEND OVER WELL!
ps/ I never said you were pissed. I said you were frustrated.
How can you debate when you
CANT EVEN KEEP FOCUSED?
You obviously have "drank the "Koolaid" and you still didn't
research anything. too bad, so sad, but I still like ya.
You got guts coming in and blowing your snot all over the threads.
aah, so how's your weather today? nice and warm are we?
<keep knickers low> having a sale on all sorts of energy supplies in your
parts? Why keep the knickers low? because YOU BEND OVER WELL!
ps/ I never said you were pissed. I said you were frustrated.
How can you debate when you
CANT EVEN KEEP FOCUSED?
Glacial Ridge
Jan 10th, 2009, 4:15 PM
Freaked Out
The little ice age, known as the Maunder Minimum, when the sun was not producing sun spots and there was little activity given from the sun.
Dalton Minimum 1790-1830
GrandMinima
Oort Minimum 1010-1050
Wolf Minimum 1280-1340
Spoerer Minimum 1420-1530
Maunder Minimum 1645-1715
Sorry ...Freaked Out but during these time periods, the Earth experienced much cooler temps and is related to the lack of the suns output during these time periods.
There isn't anyone here that doesn't believe that the amount of CO2 is a factor. But it's only a factor of a much larger picture.
Like Proto says...we still like you anyway!
The little ice age, known as the Maunder Minimum, when the sun was not producing sun spots and there was little activity given from the sun.
Dalton Minimum 1790-1830
GrandMinima
Oort Minimum 1010-1050
Wolf Minimum 1280-1340
Spoerer Minimum 1420-1530
Maunder Minimum 1645-1715
Sorry ...Freaked Out but during these time periods, the Earth experienced much cooler temps and is related to the lack of the suns output during these time periods.
There isn't anyone here that doesn't believe that the amount of CO2 is a factor. But it's only a factor of a much larger picture.
Like Proto says...we still like you anyway!
alpha
Jan 12th, 2009, 5:33 AM
now you know why i get frustrated trying to get them (Ryan and Freaked Out) to see the NEW findings. All of their posts are from old data. Not one mention of the Sun's activity.
Where do they suppose we get our heat from?
they'll probably say man made CO2!!!
Glacial, you put it very well my friend, wish i had your diplomacy!
i think my cynicism and frustration is born of trying to convince these types with a layman's point of view, albeit semi-technical.
and....
Freaked out; every Arctic scientist on Earth KNOWS that the ice melt this year in the Arctic was not as bad as 2007. We will see this summer if there is a cooling trend beginning. It might only last a few years but unless the Sun wakes up we are saying it will continue, that's all!! if there is a return to 2007 levels, I will eat my hat and say; well it's something else causing the melting other than the Sun. It has to be the core then; CO2 can not do anything to warm the Planet up! it's a greenhouse gas only; it needs something else to heat the Planet up? what would that thing be then? The Sun, maybe? well what if it's output has been reduced?
none of your scientists are considering NEW data and findings. They are ALL still on IPCC report of 2003!!!
how rubbish is that!!!
this will turn out to be one of the greatest cons in history!!
Where do they suppose we get our heat from?
they'll probably say man made CO2!!!
Glacial, you put it very well my friend, wish i had your diplomacy!
i think my cynicism and frustration is born of trying to convince these types with a layman's point of view, albeit semi-technical.
and....
Freaked out; every Arctic scientist on Earth KNOWS that the ice melt this year in the Arctic was not as bad as 2007. We will see this summer if there is a cooling trend beginning. It might only last a few years but unless the Sun wakes up we are saying it will continue, that's all!! if there is a return to 2007 levels, I will eat my hat and say; well it's something else causing the melting other than the Sun. It has to be the core then; CO2 can not do anything to warm the Planet up! it's a greenhouse gas only; it needs something else to heat the Planet up? what would that thing be then? The Sun, maybe? well what if it's output has been reduced?
none of your scientists are considering NEW data and findings. They are ALL still on IPCC report of 2003!!!
how rubbish is that!!!
this will turn out to be one of the greatest cons in history!!
Glacial Ridge
Jan 12th, 2009, 7:56 PM
Also have read that CO2 lags behind rising temperatures.
Temps first rise then comes the CO2. huh go figure
Any news on the Antarctic ice sheets?
Temps first rise then comes the CO2. huh go figure
Any news on the Antarctic ice sheets?
Glacial Ridge
Jan 17th, 2009, 7:24 AM
They are now using a combination of three methods for measuring ice loss in Antarctica. Interesting article on how they take into account crustal rebounding.
As Ice Melts, Antarctic Bedrock Is On The Move
These results come from a trio of global positioning system (GPS) sensor networks on the continent. Wilson leads POLENET, a growing network of GPS trackers and seismic sensors implanted in the bedrock beneath the West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS). POLENET is reoccupying sites previously measured by the West Antarctic GPS Network (WAGN) and the Transantarctic Mountains Deformation (TAMDEF) network...
Taken together, the three projects are yielding the best view yet of what's happening under the ice.
When satellites measure the height of the WAIS, scientists calculate ice thickness by subtracting the height of the earth beneath it. They must take into account whether the bedrock is rising or falling. Ice weighs down the bedrock, but as the ice melts, the earth slowly rebounds.
Gravity measurements, too, rely on knowledge of the bedrock. As the crust under Antarctica rises, the mantle layer below it flows in to fill the gap. That mass change must be subtracted from Gravity Recovery and Climate (http://www.terradaily.com/reports/As_Ice_Melts_Antarctic_Bedrock_Is_On_The_Move_999. html#) Experiment (GRACE) satellite measurements in order to isolate gravity changes caused by the thickening or thinning of the ice.
Before POLENET and its more spatially limited predecessors, scientists had few direct measurements of the bedrock. They had to rely on computer models, which now appear to be incorrect.
"When you compare how fast the earth is rising, and where, to the models of where ice is being lost and how much is lost - they don't match," Wilson said. "There are places where the models predict no crustal uplift, where we see several millimeters of uplift per year. We even have evidence of other places sinking, which is not predicted by any of the models." A few millimeters may sound like a small change, but it's actually quite large, she explained. Crustal uplift in parts of North America is measured on the scale of millimeters per year.
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/As_Ice_Melts_Antarctic_Bedrock_Is_On_The_Move_999. html (http://www.terradaily.com/reports/As_Ice_Melts_Antarctic_Bedrock_Is_On_The_Move_999. html)
As Ice Melts, Antarctic Bedrock Is On The Move
These results come from a trio of global positioning system (GPS) sensor networks on the continent. Wilson leads POLENET, a growing network of GPS trackers and seismic sensors implanted in the bedrock beneath the West Antarctic Ice Sheet (WAIS). POLENET is reoccupying sites previously measured by the West Antarctic GPS Network (WAGN) and the Transantarctic Mountains Deformation (TAMDEF) network...
Taken together, the three projects are yielding the best view yet of what's happening under the ice.
When satellites measure the height of the WAIS, scientists calculate ice thickness by subtracting the height of the earth beneath it. They must take into account whether the bedrock is rising or falling. Ice weighs down the bedrock, but as the ice melts, the earth slowly rebounds.
Gravity measurements, too, rely on knowledge of the bedrock. As the crust under Antarctica rises, the mantle layer below it flows in to fill the gap. That mass change must be subtracted from Gravity Recovery and Climate (http://www.terradaily.com/reports/As_Ice_Melts_Antarctic_Bedrock_Is_On_The_Move_999. html#) Experiment (GRACE) satellite measurements in order to isolate gravity changes caused by the thickening or thinning of the ice.
Before POLENET and its more spatially limited predecessors, scientists had few direct measurements of the bedrock. They had to rely on computer models, which now appear to be incorrect.
"When you compare how fast the earth is rising, and where, to the models of where ice is being lost and how much is lost - they don't match," Wilson said. "There are places where the models predict no crustal uplift, where we see several millimeters of uplift per year. We even have evidence of other places sinking, which is not predicted by any of the models." A few millimeters may sound like a small change, but it's actually quite large, she explained. Crustal uplift in parts of North America is measured on the scale of millimeters per year.
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/As_Ice_Melts_Antarctic_Bedrock_Is_On_The_Move_999. html (http://www.terradaily.com/reports/As_Ice_Melts_Antarctic_Bedrock_Is_On_The_Move_999. html)
Glacial Ridge
Jan 21st, 2009, 7:41 AM
Update on Wilkins ice shelf. Gotta go to work before I even finish reading it. Oh well.
Antarctic ice shelf set to collapse due to warming
Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:14pm EST
By Alister Doyle, Environment Correspondent
WILKINS ICE SHELF, Antarctica (Reuters) - A huge Antarctic ice shelf is on the brink of collapse with just a sliver of ice holding it in place, the latest victim of global warming that is altering maps of the frozen continent.
"We've come to the Wilkins Ice Shelf to see its final death throes," David Vaughan, a glaciologist at the British Antarctic Survey (BAS), told Reuters after the first -- and probably last -- plane landed near the narrowest part of the ice.
The flat-topped shelf has an area of thousands of square kilometers, jutting 20 meters (65 ft) out of the sea off the Antarctic Peninsula.
But it is held together only by an ever-thinning 40-km (25-mile) strip of ice that has eroded to an hour-glass shape just 500 meters wide at its narrowest.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE50I4G520090119
Antarctic ice shelf set to collapse due to warming
Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:14pm EST
By Alister Doyle, Environment Correspondent
WILKINS ICE SHELF, Antarctica (Reuters) - A huge Antarctic ice shelf is on the brink of collapse with just a sliver of ice holding it in place, the latest victim of global warming that is altering maps of the frozen continent.
"We've come to the Wilkins Ice Shelf to see its final death throes," David Vaughan, a glaciologist at the British Antarctic Survey (BAS), told Reuters after the first -- and probably last -- plane landed near the narrowest part of the ice.
The flat-topped shelf has an area of thousands of square kilometers, jutting 20 meters (65 ft) out of the sea off the Antarctic Peninsula.
But it is held together only by an ever-thinning 40-km (25-mile) strip of ice that has eroded to an hour-glass shape just 500 meters wide at its narrowest.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE50I4G520090119
Protostar
Jan 21st, 2009, 3:30 PM
again with the summer 2006 picutres.
again, the south pole is frozen solid. No one has gone there in about
6 months. check the south pole monitor.
why dont' people check the monitors?
oh, that s right, they can't sell their lies if you check the monitor
because it tells you that it's closed due to the SOLID ICE THERE..
The usa will be BANKRUPT if this global warming lie continues..
but on the other hand, you cant sell ice to eskimos!http://www.usap.gov/videoclipsandmaps/spwebcam.cfm
'notice the "runway" ooo it's so broken up and melting.....ITS' MELTING....OMG OMG.....
again, the south pole is frozen solid. No one has gone there in about
6 months. check the south pole monitor.
why dont' people check the monitors?
oh, that s right, they can't sell their lies if you check the monitor
because it tells you that it's closed due to the SOLID ICE THERE..
The usa will be BANKRUPT if this global warming lie continues..
but on the other hand, you cant sell ice to eskimos!http://www.usap.gov/videoclipsandmaps/spwebcam.cfm
'notice the "runway" ooo it's so broken up and melting.....ITS' MELTING....OMG OMG.....
Glacial Ridge
Jan 21st, 2009, 8:09 PM
Gee whiz Proto, the effects of grand maxima are still being processed. Wilkins may be the last one now ... until... if...
Sure hope we don't start seeing seismic or volcanic activity down there tooooooo while the process continues.
It is Mt. Erebus down there?.
Just some Wiki info.
Mount Erebus in Antarctica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica) is the southernmost active volcano (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcano) on Earth. With a summit elevation of 3794 metres (12,447 ft), it is located on Ross Island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Island), which is also home to three inactive volcanoes, notably Mount Terror (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Terror_(Antarctica)). Mount Erebus is part of the Pacific Ring of Fire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Ring_of_Fire), which includes over 160 active volcanoes.
The volcano has been observed to be continuously active since 1972 and is the site of the Mount Erebus Volcano Observatory run by New Mexico Tech (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico_Institute_of_Mining_and_Technology).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erebus#cite_note-2)
Are these all the ones we do know about or are there some yet undiscovered or undisclosed?
Sure hope we don't start seeing seismic or volcanic activity down there tooooooo while the process continues.
It is Mt. Erebus down there?.
Just some Wiki info.
Mount Erebus in Antarctica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica) is the southernmost active volcano (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcano) on Earth. With a summit elevation of 3794 metres (12,447 ft), it is located on Ross Island (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Island), which is also home to three inactive volcanoes, notably Mount Terror (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Terror_(Antarctica)). Mount Erebus is part of the Pacific Ring of Fire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Ring_of_Fire), which includes over 160 active volcanoes.
The volcano has been observed to be continuously active since 1972 and is the site of the Mount Erebus Volcano Observatory run by New Mexico Tech (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico_Institute_of_Mining_and_Technology).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Erebus#cite_note-2)
Are these all the ones we do know about or are there some yet undiscovered or undisclosed?
alpha
Jan 22nd, 2009, 5:54 AM
do we believe this anymore?
http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/seaice/Historical.html
check the comparison with Dec 2007 / Dec 2008. they look similar if not 08 looking a little worse. I just don't believe it anymore!
why can't we get live footage!
i posted on another thread temps from the British station at Rothera. Summer temps look completely normal!
Cambridge 4.4
Rothera 0.4
Halley -4.3
Bird Island 3.8
King Edward Point 4.2
Ernest Shackleton 6.3
James Clark Ross 3.3
Stanley 10.8
South Pole -24.1
the crustal displacement thing has to be of concern!!
http://polar.ncep.noaa.gov/seaice/Historical.html
check the comparison with Dec 2007 / Dec 2008. they look similar if not 08 looking a little worse. I just don't believe it anymore!
why can't we get live footage!
i posted on another thread temps from the British station at Rothera. Summer temps look completely normal!
Cambridge 4.4
Rothera 0.4
Halley -4.3
Bird Island 3.8
King Edward Point 4.2
Ernest Shackleton 6.3
James Clark Ross 3.3
Stanley 10.8
South Pole -24.1
the crustal displacement thing has to be of concern!!
Glacial Ridge
Jan 22nd, 2009, 6:29 AM
You guys already know that I'm not a follower the the AGW way of thought concerning climate change.
The time it takes this planet to process core and atmospheric heat is being realized by us now isn't it?
Seems the atmosphere reacts sooner and that based on sun output. But that core heat seems to take longer to process.
That said we should still keep an eye out on changes in Antarctica.
Mt Erebus active since 1972 should be a concern as well because of its link the 'ring of fire.'
This news video from the BBC is interesting. Listen between the lines for what you know to be the core heat process.
They do state that in the East Antarctic there has been some cooling, probably due to lack of solar output and cosmic ray input. But the West Antarctic has a continued issue, bear in mind that it is Summer in the southern hemisphere.
New evidence on Antarctic warming (http://javascript<b></b>:void(window.open('http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/ynews;_ylt=Aq9HEN5bcgRxJIFX3z4vP1NoWrEF?ch=4226722&cl=11648255&lang=en','playerWindow','width=793,height=608,scro llbars=no'));)
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=11648255&ch=4226722&src=news
In case that link is goofy. Weather Yahoo videos right collumn.
The time it takes this planet to process core and atmospheric heat is being realized by us now isn't it?
Seems the atmosphere reacts sooner and that based on sun output. But that core heat seems to take longer to process.
That said we should still keep an eye out on changes in Antarctica.
Mt Erebus active since 1972 should be a concern as well because of its link the 'ring of fire.'
This news video from the BBC is interesting. Listen between the lines for what you know to be the core heat process.
They do state that in the East Antarctic there has been some cooling, probably due to lack of solar output and cosmic ray input. But the West Antarctic has a continued issue, bear in mind that it is Summer in the southern hemisphere.
New evidence on Antarctic warming (http://javascript<b></b>:void(window.open('http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/ynews;_ylt=Aq9HEN5bcgRxJIFX3z4vP1NoWrEF?ch=4226722&cl=11648255&lang=en','playerWindow','width=793,height=608,scro llbars=no'));)
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=11648255&ch=4226722&src=news
In case that link is goofy. Weather Yahoo videos right collumn.
alpha
Jan 22nd, 2009, 6:54 AM
notice how the BAS scientist says he was surprised at how long the ice stayed this year, well into what was supposed to be summer!
something else is causing the warming there, including record temps in Oz!
something else is causing the warming there, including record temps in Oz!
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