The creation of man and woman

[UVsaturated]

God made man in his own image. God is spirit, therefore the first man (Adam) was a spiritual being made to be God. God put the spirit of Adam into a sleep, a darkness where he was separated from God (death), where he fashioned a woman for Adam from his side or half, then he concealed the spirit of the man within flesh by covering it over (woman).

Later, in the garden, Eve (the first woman) considered eating of the tree from the knowledge of good and evil and was tempted by Satan in the form of a snake. She was seduced by the snake agreed to eat of it. She ate first, and then Adam, for she was a fleshly being with the spirit of Adam within her, which is why she had to eat it first before he could experience it as well.

The clincher to this whole story is that Adam being a spiritual being was guiding Eve's decision to eat the fruit of good and evil because he was within her and "knew" her.

Adam's higher being (God) was at the same time changed to become the God of the world (Satan). At this moment in time, Man became unified in duality with Eve, God became dualistic in nature as Satan and punished the serpent for his own creation, and instituted judgment. Man forgot his true nature and Eve has been accused ever since.

The good news is the origin of sin can be shown in this message to have originated with God first, then the woman, through the spirit of man.

All this happened in an instant. The mystery of the creation began this way and will end in the reverse order, when man discovers who he is again and destroys the duality of his higher self. Then he becomes unified with Eve once again in perfection.

[DontBeAfraid]

This belongs in the ask a believer section dingus.

[UVsaturated]

This belongs in the ask a believer section dingus.

No. I am a believer. I am not asking for advice from someone else.

This is a prologue to finding yourself dingus. If your eye was singular, you would get my drift.

[DontBeAfraid]

So I will know what you are trying to say.... if I poke one of my eyes out? Where do I sign up?

[UVsaturated]

So I will know what you are trying to say.... if I poke one of my eyes out? Where do I sign up?

That is an analog to what Jesus said, if one part of the body sins, get rid of it. That's not the message. Make one side of the body agree with other, then you see both sides and cannot judge. This is making both eyes singular.

In other words, take every instance of life and reflect on the cause and effect of it and see why neither side can be right or wrong, then you will see our folly.

As an afterthought, you can always poke your eyes out if you wish to, but that doesn't change this message.

[jeffweeder]

This belongs in the ask a believer section dingus

It doesnt belong in Christian corner either

[UVsaturated]

This is the creationism vs evolution forum.

[CurtisC]

I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe all the worlds problems are a stem from two people eating fruit off of a tree that they weren't suppose to.

Also, why should humanity as a whole have to take punishment for something two people did? All people are different, so that means you can't make everyone suffer for two peoples poor decision. That's stereotyping.

[UVsaturated]

I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe all the worlds problems are a stem from two people eating fruit off of a tree that they weren't suppose to.

Also, why should humanity as a whole have to take punishment for something two people did? All people are different, so that means you can't make everyone suffer for two peoples poor decision. That's stereotyping.

You obviously did not read my post. I said the original sin started with God first. There is cause and effect that we know of in science here on earth, just as their is C&E in the spiritual realms. Physical matter does not manifest what God will do, rather God decides what the physical matter will do.

The whole episode was carried out and executed by God for a purpose. Our belief systems have it that Eve was the culprit deceived by the serpent, when in fact Eve is just the "side of man" which was carnal. Man himself was the lower consciousness of God, so in effect it was a subordinate entity of God doing all the action. The main agenda originated not on the terrestrial plane but with God. Don't blame Eve, she only thinks it was her fault.

The reason everyone suffers is because no one finds the truth of the matter. Whether you say everyone is different, blah, blah is not the point. Everyone is relation to each other and we are one family whether you believe that or not. In essence we suffer collectively because the minority who are supposed to find their way back to the source must overcome for the benefit of the rest. Still, the source is to blame for the entire story. Fortunately the ending is worth all the suffering inflicted upon all of mankind.

[Freddy]

God made man in his own image. God is spirit, therefore the first man (Adam) was a spiritual being made to be God. God put the spirit of Adam into a sleep, a darkness where he was separated from God (death), where he fashioned a woman for Adam from his side or half, then he concealed the spirit of the man within flesh by covering it over (woman).

Later, in the garden, Eve (the first woman) considered eating of the tree from the knowledge of good and evil and was tempted by Satan in the form of a snake. She was seduced by the snake agreed to eat of it. She ate first, and then Adam, for she was a fleshly being with the spirit of Adam within her, which is why she had to eat it first before he could experience it as well.

The clincher to this whole story is that Adam being a spiritual being was guiding Eve's decision to eat the fruit of good and evil because he was within her and "knew" her.

Adam's higher being (God) was at the same time changed to become the God of the world (Satan). At this moment in time, Man became unified in duality with Eve, God became dualistic in nature as Satan and punished the serpent for his own creation, and instituted judgment. Man forgot his true nature and Eve has been accused ever since.

The good news is the origin of sin can be shown in this message to have originated with God first, then the woman, through the spirit of man.

All this happened in an instant. The mystery of the creation began this way and will end in the reverse order, when man discovers who he is again and destroys the duality of his higher self. Then he becomes unified with Eve once again in perfection.
You know this because:
(A) the Bible tells me so
(B) an angel revealed it to me
(C) I read it in a fortune cookie
(D) I made it up

[UVsaturated]

You know this because:
(A) the Bible tells me so
(B) an angel revealed it to me
(C) I read it in a fortune cookie
(D) I made it up

E) I am gnostic.

[Freddy]

E) I am gnostic.
How did you become a gnostic?

[UVsaturated]

How did you become a gnostic? By recollecting where I came from.

[CurtisC]

Whether you say everyone is different, blah, blah is not the point. Everyone is relation to each other and we are one family whether you believe that or not.

It would of been nice if God had put more people on earth at the time so we could of stopped her, since we have to take responsibility for it. If your next door neighbor robs a house, you would have no problem with the police coming to your house to arrest you for it?

[UVsaturated]

It would of been nice if God had put more people on earth at the time so we could of stopped her, since we have to take responsibility for it. If your next door neighbor robs a house, you would have no problem with the police coming to your house to arrest you for it?

Have you considered you may be doing the same thing as Eve did? Ask yourself what lie the serpent promised Eve. You are not paying for Eve's mistake, but your own.

[CurtisC]

Have you considered you may be doing the same thing as Eve did? Ask yourself what lie the serpent promised Eve. You are not paying for Eve's mistake, but your own.

I fail to see how that answered my question.

[UVsaturated]

I fail to see how that answered my question.

Oh, then by all means. If you also were a house robber, I see no reason why the police shouldn't arrest you. You are making the assumption that the persons house who was robbed is not guilty of anything. I am making the case that everyone is doing the same thing as Eve. You cannot compare the two scenarios.

Now back to my comment. You fail to see why everyone suffers. You think we are paying for Eve's sin, when in fact everyone is doing the same thing as Eve and paying for their own sins. The lie told by the serpent is very simple and cunning; that if you eat of the fruit of knowledge your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad. That's false. God does not know good and bad. We assume he does and he judges which is why everyone is committing the same sin as Eve.

[CurtisC]

Oh, then by all means. If you also were a house robber, I see no reason why the police shouldn't arrest you. You are making the assumption that the persons house who was robbed is not guilty of anything. I am making the case that everyone is doing the same thing as Eve. You cannot compare the two scenarios.

Now back to my comment. You fail to see why everyone suffers. You think we are paying for Eve's sin, when in fact everyone is doing the same thing as Eve and paying for their own sins. The lie told by the serpent is very simple and cunning; that if you eat of the fruit of knowledge your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad. That's false. God does not know good and bad. We assume he does and he judges which is why everyone is committing the same sin as Eve.

I never said anything about me robbing a house. I said it was unfair for the police to arrest me for my neighbors wrong doing. Especially when I wasn't allowed the opportunity to be there and stop her.

[UVsaturated]

I never said anything about me robbing a house. I said it was unfair for the police to arrest me for my neighbors wrong doing. Especially when I wasn't allowed the opportunity to be there and stop her.

You are comparing that we suffer because of the sins of Eve, therefore I have to assume you are making a comparable argument. You don't get it do you? Of course, if you didn't rob a house there would be no reason for your arrest, but in this case mankind is still committing the same sin as Eve, therefore is punished for it.

You have all the opportunity in the world to stop Eve from doing what she is doing, for she is you. Genesis is not a story of the past but of the present.

[joey]

I think i understand what you're saying UV. It is if i may call it the "curse" of judgement that you're getting at. God's unconditional love does not falter with judgement, it seems to be a human thing...

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Using the KJV this time, in John 8:1 - 11 scribes and Pharisees had caught a woman in the act of adultery (the woman commonly referred to as the prostitute) and told Jesus who was teaching in the temple that the Mosaic Law required she be stoned to death. Trying to make an opportunity of this to trick Jesus that they might accuse Him, they, with stones in hand, asked Jesus what He says about the Law. After Jesus tried to ignore their repeated questioning, He told them "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." One by one each man dropped his stone and walked away.

Jesus was not arguing with the judgment. Nor was Jesus arguing the law nor the woman's guilt. Jesus was arguing with our right to execute the woman. Once all the men had dropped their stones Jesus confronted the woman and asked her if any of the men were still there to condemn her. When she answered "No man, Lord", Jesus told her that neither did He - He forgave her of her sin. He did not excuse the sin of adultery/prostitution, he forgave her of it.

[Lightmind]

If we hold a poisoned sweet out to a child and say "Don't eat this! It will harm you."

When the child takes it and eats it, who is to blame? The child or the provisioner?

If the provisioner understands the nature of the child.

Does this call into question the morals of the child or wisdom of the Provisioner?

[UVsaturated]

If we hold a poisoned sweet out to a child and say "Don't eat this! It will harm you."

When the child takes it and eats it, who is to blame? The child or the provisioner?

If the provisioner understands the nature of the child.

Does this call into question the morals of the child or wisdom of the Provisioner?

But that is precisely what God does. Birth is in fact a death sentence. We all know this, but choose to ignore it while we are alive, until we grow old. It is our higher selves that have chosen to be here and separate ourselves from our true life and worlds to make one final judgment against ourselves. That's why we are born with no memories so everyone is on equal ground. Some people claim to have past life experiences, but in fact that is just some of the amnesia going away. It isn't really a past life, but our other lives. Time is not linear.

The higher self has chosen already to inflict mortal pain on the lower self to test it. So it is with a good reason, so that we all are tested according to a divine and just plan to create the immortal from the mortal, the spiritual from the physical.

Usually we question this due to lack of understanding.

[Lightmind]

I totally agree with you UV, we CHOOSE to be here, not just once, but many times. Life unlike death, is where we have the opportunity to both learn and change. Not a Mental learning, but a deeper Spiritual one. Some call it "Karma". We see it, both in the circumstances we are born to, and in the repeating patterns of behaviour and circumstance, visable by wisdom, in our "everyday ordinary lives". Cause and effect?

Why do we waste time seeking to understand the "Father", when our raison d'etre is to understand the nature of Ourselves?

[Assassin X]

God made woman for a reason to have children, do the chores, cook, clean and whatever else we ask of them!

Well thats what our crazy baptist friend says. He finally got married at 48 years old. Either his wife is REALLLLLYYYY mental or shes really in love. Or maybe both.

I can't stand ANYONE who thinks like that.

[Lightmind]

LOL... "And God gave Man dominion over the Earth, and all that was on it."

I'd say that applies to women, wouldn't you? ::):

[UVsaturated]

Why do we waste time seeking to understand the "Father", when our raison d'etre is to understand the nature of Ourselves?

An interesting point. Life mimics the big picture. For like a person will grow up and change from being obedient to his parents, to thinking for themselves and no longer be under his parents household; that same person is being showed the higher story of how one grows spiritually. You are like an adolescent, thinking of the higher self as God for a long time while under religion. You treat God as a child would treat his earthly father, not through total understand but blind obedience. Then, as the child grows, they start to understand the thinking of God and change from being a child to an adult. They no longer look at God as a ruler and disciplinarian, but respectfully as an adult man would look at an elderly Father - with respect but still thinking for their own selves and making their own way. That is spiritual maturity.

[Lightmind]

Exactly... this, I believe, is the nature of "GOD"

An example from which we learn, it gives us a backbone of belief, a foundation, that allows us to mutually co-exist, with others in peace. As we grow in "spiriual maturity", just like in life, we realise two things;-

1) Just because our "Father" is right, doesn't make all other "Father's" wrong.

2) It's not the words of our "Father" that we should listen to. It's their intent.

This is the first steps towards "Spiritual Maturity"