Are You Laughing?

[Wraith13]

In light of the many perversions and jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke, it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her "How could God let something like this happen?" (regarding the attacks on Sept. 11). Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?"

In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school .. the Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK. Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves. Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.

Are you laughing?

I recieved this in an e-mail, and was told to forward it. Well, I am going to forward it here, because I thought it an interesting read, capable of raising many eyebrows. Maybe it'll do that, and maybe it will just bring a barrage of taunts and poo-poo's. But I never looked at this stuff from this angle, and I learned a few things too.
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[DontBeAfraid]

It did make me laugh, whoever wrote it seems to think that terrorism and murder and bad things in general havent been around as long as we have. He/she seems to think that religion isnt the cause of most of the unnatural deaths throughout history. Whoever wrote it seems to think that its ok to force religion on people, and we all know what happens when that gets out of hand... inquistions anyone?

It didnt make me laugh out right, but it did give me a little chuckle.

I guess we could let prayer back into the schools, the the kids who pray to yawa and the kids who pray to allah could form rival gangs and snuff each other.

[mickydoolittle]

The only reason it raised my eyebrows was due to laughter. Great bellows of scornful laughter at the ignorance of posting such tripe on this board where intelligent ppl will see right through the bulshiit that is so clearly contained within.

I'd like to quote evilwill here, I don't know where he picked it up, but: "There was a time when religion ruled everything...that time was known as the Dark Ages."

No ONE wants to go back to that time....Religion is a personal choice due to a personal conviction--'you'seek it. It is not to be forced or mandated into ppl lives who don't need to be bound by such. How is it wrong to not want every facet of ones life to be controlled by a religion? Don't force it on others, otherwise you're back to raping....why is that such a difficult concept to grasp? It's fundamental and basic and should be understood by all who claim to follow a loving, compassionate god that is described with accounts of violence and wrathful "justified":rolleye: indignation which is found so often in HIS book.

To blame 9/11 on the absence of your god from AMERICA is quite insulting to those who were killed. It's insulting to their very memory and the suffering they endured as a result of some other fanatical religious follower's absolute stupidity. For one to believe and AGREE with such nonsense, shows how one has no further independent thought capabilities than the very terrorists themselves.

[RavenWhitefang]

Its funny considering the number of non christians who raise their children with better morals and mind sets. Just because someone is christian doesnt make them perfect.

[MetalMilitia]

Religion is a personal choice due to a personal conviction--'you'seek it. It is not to be forced or mandated into ppl lives who don't need to be bound by such.

Thank you!

[Mensa Genius]

When I was younger I went to both religous and non religous schools. From the memories I have, there was a difference in the behavior between the schools which were non religous and religious. Students in the religous schools I went to still smoked up and were having sex just as much as in the non religous schools, but I found that the students in the religous schools were more desciplined and performed better, and school records showed from what I can remember were better when it came to behavior, in religous schools anyways. I havent done full scale research into this or made comparions over a great number of schools, but thats what I witnessed in my personal experience.

[Godsgifttomankind]

The article has many laughable and almost deplorable concepts.

To say that people have turned away from God is a misnomer, people are turning away from religious slavery and embracing their own freewill.

To say that our children don't know right from wrong however is also wrong. Children know what is right and what is wrong but have not learned or chosen to be examples of righteousness. The example in point of shootings in the schools. Most instances of school shootings have been traced back to revenge for bullying that has previously taken place. The child that is bullied recognizes that what is happening to them is wrong and choose to right the injustice but choose another form of violence to right the wrong.

We as parents and examples have given them very little in the way of tools to reconcile these injustices.

Are our actions to other people just as contemptuous as their actions are to us or are we showing forth the values that we so adamantly demand of other people?

[mickydoolittle]

Originally posted by Godsgifttomankind
To say that people have turned away from God is a misnomer, people are turning away from religious slavery and embracing their own freewill.
How accurate an observation. Good to see it. Embracing freewill is what we were allegedly designed for according to god. . .


Originally posted by Godsgifttomankind
To say that our children don't know right from wrong however is also wrong. Children know what is right and what is wrong but have not learned or chosen to be examples of righteousness. The example in point of shootings in the schools. Most instances of school shootings have been traced back to revenge for bullying that has previously taken place. The child that is bullied recognizes that what is happening to them is wrong and choose to right the injustice but choose another form of violence to right the wrong.
The gun issue in schools is a total other arena that has been discussed on this forum--please search for it. As for why kids are taking guns to school, read on.


Originally posted by Godsgifttomankind
We as parents and examples have given them very little in the way of tools to reconcile these injustices.
We give plenty of tools...we simply lack parents today who have the balls to discipline their children. Kids need discipline. Otherwise, they are all going to grow up and be just like the opinionated one at large. Who wants that?


Originally posted by Godsgifttomankind
Are our actions to other people just as contemptuous as their actions are to us or are we showing forth the values that we so adamantly demand of other people?
This is like asking if a tisket is a tasket or a tasket is a tisket. Where are you going? Who cares if others find one's actions to be contemptuous...

[dutchie]

If you read threads like these a thought always creeps up: "might there be a god especially for american christians?" or even
"might there be a god especially for patriotic, rightwing american christians with their hearts in the wrong place and their heads up their arse?"

Sorry. Couldn't resist.
:tired: :Bdevil:

[VegasRonin]

The Ant-American thing again............:tired:

[dutchie]

The Ant-American thing again............
Not sure what you mean here, VR: if it is Anti-American, I must correct you: I was referring to Billy Graham, whom - IMHO - is the school-example of
for patriotic, rightwing american christians with their hearts in the wrong place and their heads up their arse...
Did you see his little antisemite speech with the president??

If there is such a god, may he strike down BG and send him to hell for all eternity.:evbat: :Bdevil:

[VegasRonin]

Oh okay! My Bad! :Bow:

[Wraith13]

What God does to Billy graham is not my concern, nor should it be anyone elses, wishing the man ill for things he has said does not solve the problem, it compounds it.

I smiled when I saw the whole 'religion is responsible for the world's ills' line again. Let me use some of the logic of the anti-faith brigade.

The bible could not have come from God, as God is a fictional character. The bible came from men seeking power for themselves, in order to subjugate the masses to their whim.

Lately I have been seeing alot of this one:

The Inquisition, the Dark Ages, wars, the Holocaust, all the bad things that have occurred in human history were the direct result of God. The christian church perpetrated these crimes, saying they are doing God's work, which makes God responsible for their actions.

So which one is correct? God doesn't exist or God is responsible for all the evil that occurred in human history. Make a choice, and stick with it.

[AngelTV]

Wraith, know a lot of poeple who trash God and yet live very moral lives. I also know a lot of religious ppl who IMO live very immoral lives. Take God out of the equation as you state. This is an ethics and morals subject. Putting it in religion is labelling it just as much as those who label all wrongs under God's name.

[DontBeAfraid]

Wraithe dont mix this up in your head! The ills have been blamed on RELIGION by those who dont beleive in god.

Those who beleive in an omnipotent god have no choice but to blame all the trouble in the universe on it....

Pretty simple eh? No more confusion?

[mickydoolittle]

Wraithe dont mix this up in your head! The ills have been blamed on RELIGION by those who dont beleive in god.

Those who beleive in an omnipotent god have no choice but to blame all the trouble in the universe on it....

Pretty simple eh? No more confusion?

It appears that wraith is still confused on this issue.

[Doomer]

You guy are great. Just brought a tear to my eye. I saw the light and it's at Armageddon Online. LOL. :)

[mickydoolittle]

that's why we're always laughing. Especially right now.