Ouija Board: is it evil?

[midnight21]

Today before I got my groceries, I decided to stop into a thrift store randomly looking around at various things. While looking through books, I picked up an Ouija Board sitting on top of the shelf for 3.95.

At first I was like: "Ooooh. An Ouija Board! Interesting. Maybe this could answer my 20 biggest questions about life!"

When I least expected it, my hands began to feel warm as I held it. My body began to feel hot and I felt light headed. I was faced with the biggest temptation to buy it, but something inside of me screamed not to. Especially due to the fact my apartment building is haunted with countless spirits roaming about, some of them evil tormenting me through emotions and dreams. I'm also a Christian too, which puts me in a vulnerable state.

In the end, I listened to those little voices in my head and put it back on the shelf and walked out of the store heading to the grocery store, glad to get out of there. But I have a question for all of you: Is the Ouija Board really evil? A work of the devil? Or is it just harmless fun? You decide.

[I Believe]

Harmless fun in my book....I guess it depends on which side of the religious fence your own as to weather its evil or not.....never have owned one though.....

[lycanox]

Its just a tool, thus it cant be evil. And their being sold as angel contacting devices as well.
It all depends on what your hoping to accomplish and what your hoping to contact with it.

But using such devises in a haunted house is not a good idea.

[DaSoviet]

Number 1: The boards don't work, it's human hands that move the planchette(?)...

Number 2: Being a Christian, how can you be tormented by evil spirits, I thought Jesus was supposed to protect your from such things?

[Crimepunisher]

But using such devises in a haunted house is not a good idea.

Had a friend who decided to use one in a graveyard one night. He was an idiot either way though.

And I'm wondering about DaSoviet's second question as well, wouldn't being a Christian put you in a spiritual safe spot so to speak? Outside of the whole "Satan wants my soul" mentality.

[Mezurashi]

a Ouija Board is a Tool, like lycanox said ...

but though the Ouija Board is not inherently Evil, what it is supposed to do is 'Open A Doorway' between our world and the Spirit Realm.

now -- think of the metaphor of opening a door. if you don't know What is on the other side trying to get in ...

however -- reacting with Fear to something might make that something less 'friendly' to those who have encountered it -- like how animals can 'sense' the aura of the people around them. so if you are by nature 'fearful' of Ghosts and Haints then any ghost of spirit you encounter might just take your fear as rejection, perhaps even an attack.

but the thought of using a Ouija Board in a spirit infested house, or a graveyard, is about the same as thinking you can drill a small hole in a 5 000 gallon tank of anything and then just plug it up with chewing gum afterwards -- those who try discover that the pressures within the vessel will overcome any closure once an opening has been forced.

your reaction to the voices inside was the smart one - any time something occultish has generated such a reaction in me I listen to it - the same way I listen to the voices that tell me "Go For IT!" when I'm unsure of taking a risk with the potential for rewarding experiences (which is why I, a japanese canadian guy, ended up in a kibbutz for 8 months a couple years ago...)

and ... Never Regret Not Doing Something if your 'first twitch' was negative. if it was negative, you probably didn't miss out on anything good.

[DaSoviet]

Your not going to contact anyone, no one will come through...

You will not open a doorway, it is not a communication device.

The "feeling" you got when touching the thing was most likely a placebo effect.

It's like saying when you win money while playing Monopoly, you get money in real life...

[Mezurashi]

Your not going to contact anyone, no one will come through...

You will not open a doorway, it is not a communication device.

The "feeling" you got when touching the thing was most likely a placebo effect.

It's like saying when you win money while playing Monopoly, you get money in real life...

and having a position of authority on an Internet forum does not mean that individual is any smarter or rational than the next person ...

as always, opinions vary, I speak from personal experience (which is as subjective and biased as it gets, so I'm not going to bring it up for 'proof' as it is not proof of anything). however, should you ever have a 'spiritual experience' will you immediately reject it as impossible? or, perhaps, might you consider that there is more out there than the plain old physical reality we call home?

p.s. - what's the weather like on LV-426? last time I checked it was raining like hell ... I need to plan what to pack for my vacation (I've always wanted to explore a derelict spacecraft)

[DontBeAfraid]

I used to play with those when I was like.... nine years old. That was when the devil touched me in a naughty place.... my soul.

[Rageklok]

I'm also a Christian too, which puts me in a vulnerable state.
Why does that make you more vulnerable?

[lycanox]

The thing is that if you believe in the paranormal, whether or not it is in ghost or demons.
You are more inclined to believe in the predictions or that something has stayed behind as well.
Which could easily lead to some kind of placebo effect, self fulfilling prophesies or the delusion of being haunted.

Or atleast that's the scientific answer.

[Nu Kua]

I just want to say that I do believe that people not in a body can, and do, contact people who are in a body.
Its just the whole blanket "Oujia's are evil" or "beware of evil spirits sucking the light right out of you" thing that is a hang-up for me because that is a bunch of bullshit. Nothing has anymore power than what you give it.

Like Lyca said in another post recently regarding Oujia boards, once out of the body, a person doesn't achieve super-powers nor do they go through really noticeable personality changes, at least not while part of them is still energetically attached to earth. People are who they are and the body, well, its a container/anchor. People out of the body are the same people, sans the body.

And my stance on demonic possession and stuff resulting from attempting to achieve contact is still the same- its all a mind thing.

Also, being a Christian doesn't make one 'special" in any sort of way. Nobody is especially out to "get you" if you are a Christian.

[SeeYA]

Evil is all around us in this existence. It’s their domain. Why would you want to open a supernatural door and invite them in? These sprits aren’t as nice as your next door neighbor and there are very many of them. Leave it alone…

[krakatoa]

I did'nt read the other post before writing this, if a person wants to play with the board that doesn not meen he or she is evil, but if you choose to do it anyway, it become more serious, dont open these doors, be happy with you life and let the Ouija board alone, i lived some things a long time ago, because of that, and i did'nt touch anything like this since.

Krakatoa.

[olddragon]

Oujia boards are absolute evil.
They are currently made from pressed laminated cardboard.
What could be more Evil?

[Rageklok]

Evil is all around us in this existence. It’s their domain. Why would you want to open a supernatural door and invite them in? These sprits aren’t as nice as your next door neighbor and there are very many of them. Leave it alone…

Stop watching Tales from the Crypt and Criss Angel Mindfreak so much. Go watch some Spongebob. Jeez.

[I Believe]

Stop watching Tales from the Crypt and Criss Angel Mindfreak so much. Go watch some Spongebob. Jeez.


:yes::yes::yes::yes:

[Tired Old Man]

Oujia boards are absolute evil.
They are currently made from pressed laminated cardboard.
What could be more Evil?

And could be made in China with lead paint...............

[SeeYA]

I don't watch TV - its evil! Talk about mind control :)))))))))))))))))) Sheep to the slaughter.

Got have it all! the new car, Bling! the new house, xbox, ipod, The new boyfriend AND girlfriend! the list goes on and on... And we wonder why the banking problems, inflation, depression, drugs, erectile dysfunction! future and present disasters, :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Spongebob! :)))))))))))))))))))))))))

[Tired Old Man]

Somebody ,shoot me please!!!!!!

[Crimepunisher]

xbox

What's wrong with Xbox?

The best part of waking up is thinly-veiled religion-referencing genocidal aliens in your cup.

[Blu-ray]

Spongebob!

Did someone forget their medications this morning? What does Sponge Bob have to do with the end of the planet? Is he going to morph into the horses of the apocalypse or something?

[SeeYA]

Nothing is wrong with anything - its culmitive! Garbage in - garbage out. Thats the problem, Nothing but garbage!

Tired old man: Be careful what you ask for, we could be under Marshal Law before you know it. Or some demonic lunatic could jump you in Wal-Mart! Nah - never happen!

[Rageklok]

Did someone forget their medications this morning? What does Sponge Bob have to do with the end of the planet? Is he going to morph into the horses of the apocalypse or something?

I told some moron to go watch Spongebob instead of watching Criss Angel so much. He was talking about evil spirits as if he were living in an anime hentai (disgusting) world where demon rape is an every day occurrence.

[SeeYA]

Not nice calling anyone a moron. FYI Google hits: 2,080,000 for evil spirits. Even the tags on this: demons , devil , ghosts , ouija boards , spirits Guess they don't exist. How stupid of me.

What is: "anime hentai "?

Besides that, ask some sophisticated influential people if evil, demons, etc exist. That is if you can find any in your world. (Don't mean that as a cut its just they don't hang around much in the same place for too long)

[Crimepunisher]

I don't think the tags of the topic or how many hits things get on Google prove anything's existence.

Anime Hentai=You don't want to know.

[Blu-ray]

I don't think the tags of the topic or how many hits things get on Google prove anything's existence.

Anime Hentai=You don't want to know.

I know what Anime is that's like poke mon. What is Hentai?

[SeeYA]

No doesn’t outwardly prove anything at all except it's up for plenty of chatter and discussion. If you don't believe evil exists and want to find out you won’t be disappointed. This sort of stuff will accommodate. I've see plenty of evil and plenty of innocent exploration go to levels that are unexplainable. Supernatural things happen all the time on the planet. My position and advise is - leave it alone.

[Crimepunisher]

What is Hentai?

Combine anime, porn, and the most disgusting sexual acts you can imagine and you have hentai. Not all of it is disgusting, some of it can be humorous, but generally it's really fucked up. I haven't ever seen so many dismembered....organs....I'll leave it at that.


If you don't believe evil exists and want to find out you won’t be disappointed.

Not saying evil spirits don't exist but I am saying Google hits and tags don't prove they do exist either.

[Blu-ray]

Combine anime, porn, and the most disgusting sexual acts you can imagine and you have hentai. Not all of it is disgusting, some of it can be humorous, but generally it's really fucked up. I haven't ever seen so many dismembered....organs....I'll leave it at that.


Thank you for the information. I think I will now go have a stiff drink and a sleeping pill or two.

Good lord animated dismembered pornography? WTF?

[SeeYA]

Stay away from that crap too. I'm no better, I never seen any of that (Thank GOD) but have seen porn much more then I should have. Its all messed up. It degrades both sexes and middle feeders make money from this then any other venture. Screw them! Make em work harder to scrape off.

[Rageklok]

I don't think that's necessarily true. I mean if a woman willingly enters the pr0n industry and chooses what kind of movies she wants to do, who are we to tell her she's degrading herself? Maybe she likes getting skeeted all up in the face. Who knows.

[FireAnt]

Besides that, ask some sophisticated influential people if evil, demons, etc exist. That is if you can find any in your world. (Don't mean that as a cut its just they don't hang around much in the same place for too long)

I am a sophisticated influential person so I shall answer that question. (if in doubt, ask around) ::p:
In my opinion they may very well exist. I can't say that I have been in any specific situation to notice them, but I have heard testimony from others who gave their stories. My religious education teacher at school sometimes gave us details of how he exorciseda member of his church community (I can't be completely sure he was telling the truth but if he wasn't he's certainly a good lier). Unfortunately I can't really remember the story very well anymore so I can't repeat it.

I'm sure there are things in this world that we are unable to find explainations for. Does this mean that these things are evil/demons etc.? Maybe. Does this mean that we have accurately determined how these things effect our world? Maybe not. I find it difficult to believe a piece of laminated cardboard can channel immensely evil beings into our world when, for the most part, they are manufactured in bulk from a factory like most other products. I could of course be wrong, but I can think of a better reason not to go looking into that kind of stuff... it's a total waste of time and kinda stupid if you ask me. But that's just my opinion again.

There is something that should be noted though. If someone believes in evil and demons and stuff they may decide to be more good natured as the try to "fight" the demons that seek to control their soul. Now, in my opinion, anything that causes people to be more good natured can't be all that much of a bad thing. But I will concede that if someone can offer proof that they are believing in lies perpetrated by an ancient organisation designed to control those people (I'm not too fond of organized religion myself ::p:) I would definitely be against the continued belief in that kind of deception, and potentially it's propagation.

Anyway I was just wandering through and thought I would drop in my :0.02:.



I don't think that's necessarily true. I mean if a woman willingly enters the pr0n industry and chooses what kind of movies she wants to do, who are we to tell her she's degrading herself? Maybe she likes getting skeeted all up in the face. Who knows.

That may be true in most cases, but as some here know the sex trade can be pretty nasty when it comes to their recruitment. Some of the women in the sex trade will naturally lean towards pr0n movies if they ever manage to get out, or perhaps even while they are still in. Even those who are not in any sex trade and are trying to be models or actresses tend to be pressured into those kind of rolls and may feel as though they don't have a choice. My point is it is a lot more complicated than that and although I see where you are coming from I don't think it is true for all cases.

[Nu Kua]

Stay away from that crap too. I'm no better, I never seen any of that (Thank GOD) but have seen porn much more then I should have.

Why the thanks to God for never having seen any of "that"? (hentai)
Did God make you temporarily blind, in order that you were unable to view it?
:bounce:

[medicvet]

well put, fireant.

who was it that said "we deal in powers and principalities...." ?

Anyway, the planchette, or to use a brand name, ouijja board, is a tool. It is a strong and sometimes dangerous one, and to my way of thinking, it is about as useful and potentially dangerous as a gun. A lot of people own guns, and the ones I know don't ever leave their weapon just laying around. My belief is that it is like a cell phone to a spirit. If you don't want to talk to spirits, then don't,particularly if you are going to laugh at it. Laugh at the way a Muslim bows and prays or the way people gather together and say the Lord's Prayer, the same as to laugh at the planchette. It is a spiritual journey you are taking, otherwise, what's the point? You are dealing in spiritual matters.

I am just saying that I take things very seriously.

[Blu-ray]

I've played around with a Ouija Board a few times. But I've always felt they are nothing more than a game. You can never tell if someone else is pushing the piece or not. Whether consciously or subconsciously.

[Nu Kua]

Be careful what you ask for, we could be under Marshal Law before you know it.

I've noticed this spelling error frequently.

It's NOT "Marshal" Law. That's only if you watch too many "Gunsmoke" re-runs, or if say Marshal Mathers ends up running things.

Marshal:
-noun
1. a military officer of the highest rank, as in the French and some other armies. Compare field marshal.
2. an administrative officer of a U.S. judicial district who performs duties similar to those of a sheriff.
3. a court officer serving processes, attending court, giving personal service to the judges, etc.
4. the chief of a police or fire department in some cities.
5. a police officer in some communities.


Martial Law:
–noun
1. the law temporarily imposed upon an area by state or national military forces when civil authority has broken down or during wartime military operations.
2. the law imposed upon a defeated country or occupied territory by the military forces of the occupying power.

Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.com)

[SeeYA]

thank you for the correction.

[SeeYA]

Thank GOD because he didn't tempt me in that direction. Anyone who sins on any level has to deal with it. While some are under GODs wrath and nothing on the surface seems to happen to them; others are chastised. This chastisement can be severe; even to death if an elect person disregards this chastisement when first experienced.

Where do I get this information? Directly from the Bible:

JESUS said:
Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen..
What evil is this referring to? Not the Devil or evil, That can’t hurt any elect person. Heck, a natural unsaved person would scoff and never believe any of this. So it’s certainly not for them or referring to GODS wrath they may or may not feel now. It is speaking about GODs chastisement. The evil of GODs wrath & chastisement.

Regarding chastisement:
Deuteronomy 11:2
And know ye this day: for I speak not with your children which have not known, and which have not seen the chastisement of the LORD your God, his greatness, his mighty hand,

Job 34:31
Surely it is meet to be said unto God, I have borne chastisement, I will not offend any more:

Hebrews 12:8
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons

Many more passages regarding this topic is peppered throughout the Bible the above are some drive the point across.

The Wrath of GOD
2 Chronicles 24:18
And they left the house of the LORD God of their fathers, and served groves and idols: and wrath came upon Judah and Jerusalem for this their trespass.

Meaning the Elect of GOD: 1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,


Armageddon: Here ya go

Revelation 14:10
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

26. Revelation 14:19
And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Revelation 14:18-20 (in Context) Revelation 14 (Whole Chapter)
27. Revelation 15:1
And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

Revelation 15:1-3 (in Context) Revelation 15 (Whole Chapter)
28. Revelation 15:7
And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.

Revelation 15:6-8 (in Context) Revelation 15 (Whole Chapter)

29. Revelation 16:1
And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
Revelation 16:1-3 (in Context) Revelation 16 (Whole Chapter)

30. Revelation 16:19
And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Revelation 16:18-20 (in Context) Revelation 16 (Whole Chapter)

31. Revelation 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Revelation 19:14-16 (in Context) Revelation 19 (Whole Chapter)

[JenaS62]

Hey Midnight. I grew up in a haunted house. It was a three story victorian house built in 1885. One of my mom's friends who was into spirituality but was a little odd turned me on to the ouija board. When she and I used it - that pointer thing would litterally fly around the board. It was really freaky. Sometimes whoever or whatever we were asking questions of was not nice and other times (possibly a different being) was nice and helpful.

But to the point - when I was in my late teens a friend and I were using it in the house I lived in. Once again the pointer thing starting zooming around the board. The spirit told us that the house was his house and his name was Belford Bowen. I told my parents about it. I'd never heard the name Belford before, but apparently it's a old name from the victorian age. My mom and her friend did some research on the house at our local court house and found out that our house was built by the Bowen Family.

A ouija board is just an object so I don't believe it can be considered "evil". What can be evil is the spirits that it invokes. My kids wanted one and I bought them one. You know - no one will talk to us on it no matter what we do so they think my stories about my experiences with one are BS. It's funny - I guess there are no spirits in this house I live in now. Hell , I could not even get my dad (who is deceased) to come talk to us. Oh well...

[Nu Kua]

See Ya, do you have any other source that might be more credible than the Bible?
I've found it to be too highly biased, too much open to much speculation as to its meaning due to confusing and often contradictory versing,to be considered credible source for anything, much less "God's" word.
And also to mention, this book has been heavily edited by humans with their own agenda's so many times, one can hardly believe a word in it as truth anyway. Everybody who knows anything knows that the New Testament is a largely a fairy tale, and the Old Testament as we know it is little more than plagiarized copy of the myths of earlier peoples.
Plus, you go by this book that tells you "Jesus said" as if Jesus himself wrote any of it.
Guess again! The so called words of Jesus were written at least 70 years after his death, if indeed he even existed. I am certain Jesus did not exist the way he is portrayed in the Bible, and did you Know that his real name wouldn't have been "Jesus" at all? "Jesus" is a GREEK word. Do you know what his name would have been in Hebrew?
It was humans telling stories who got to decide what "Jesus said"- and wait, there's more! There are MANY old books that have saying purported to be by Jesus that weren't even allowed in the bible because a group of HUMANS with political leanings got to decide what would be included in the Bible!


Not to mention, in all those verses you just quoted, not once did I see the word "Oujia".


Thank GOD because he didn't tempt me in that direction. Anyone who sins on any level has to deal with it. While some are under GODs wrath and nothing on the surface seems to happen to them; others are chastised. This chastisement can be severe; even to death if an elect person disregards this chastisement when first experienced.

I've experienced it all, and as you can see, I'm just fine. :-)

[Chris Secret]

Its just a tool, thus it cant be evil. And their being sold as angel contacting devices as well.
It all depends on what your hoping to accomplish and what your hoping to contact with it.

But using such devises in a haunted house is not a good idea.

I have to stand right next to this person on this one. I was going to say this exact thing. It's in your intentions. I have one in my room, brand new, never used. I'm not afraid, just haven't had the right opportunity and they aren't meant to be toyed with. You can draw good and bad from them.

It's like prayer. If you talk to satan and or evil, horrific spirits, believe me you'll attract negativity. You can also go the opposite, as I'm positive you know being a christian. I've seen people collapse at churches due to the enlightenment they've received.

[sweetmystic]

I agree with alot of the other post replies... Ouija boards do open doors that are better left closed in alot of circomstances. In the olden days( even before Jesus) these boards were made and used by dark wizards and witches to call upon the evil forces for help in the destruction or harm of the people and the earth. I personally as a lightworker stay far away from the ouija board, some say to just own one and have it put away in the house can call upon the dark forces and open a door... I don't know if its true but I wouldn't try....Doesn't the world have enough to deal with? Without adding on another problem? We have enough to deal with when it comes to dealing with the dark souls already on earth, I won't call upon support for their behalf.

[SeeYA]

Nu Kua:

The Bible is an amazing document for many, many reasons; please look over this material:

http://www.familyradio.com/graphical/literature/know/know_contents.html

And this: http://www.familyradio.com/graphical/literature/study/study_contents.html

Don't worry is isn't Bible thumping!

If GOD made this Universe and we can speak directly to GOD anytime we want. Don't you think GOD could use anyone he wishes to write what he wishes? BTW - Jesus wrote the whole Bible. the Bible scriptures were penned in Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew. The Edict of Milan is how the Emperor Constantine legalized Christianity in AD 313. Sometime in AD 325, Constantine called the First Council of Nicaea. This group of persons put the bible together as is is today. The Roman Catholic Church became legal in Rome before the Council of Nicaea. From that time to nearly the present, The Roman Catholic Church was in power up until the Reformation at the Council of Trent (1545–1563). After that, all hell broke loose; denominations, groups and others claim to be some sort of Christian. In all that termoil, the Bible was translated to The King James Bible and was published somewhere in the early 1600s This translation is the closet to the original scriptures but there are a few translation mistakes. They are known, but remain uncorrected from the early 1600s to now the King James has remained the same. The Bible is not a fairy tale! Every letter, every word comes from the mouth of GOD. There is much more on this subject; the above is just a very small picture. Look over the links above to get more of a truthful indepth study.

[SeeYA]

Good idea! No need to add to your day to day suffering.

[Nu Kua]

Every letter, every word comes from the mouth of GOD.

OK, prove it, while of course relating it to the topic of evil spirits residing in Oujia boards.
(We should stay on topic, after all. Were you ever able to find that specific reference?)

Incidentally, in the meantime and speaking of fairy tales, here is a link (http://www.rosemarylake.com/) I found to fairy tales you can read online, for free.

(BTW you should understand the first 20 so years of my life were well steeped in fundamentalist Christianity. I'm well familiar with the KJV.)

[Fyhre]

I've played around with a Ouija Board a few times. But I've always felt they are nothing more than a game. You can never tell if someone else is pushing the piece or not. Whether consciously or subconsciously.

The spirits "sense" when somebody doesn't believe the minute you put your fingers on the planchette. In all instances where you've used a Ouija, since you don't believe, the other person/persons was undoubtedly pushing it. When the planchette moves with at least two peoples fingers on it, it almost feels as if there's some sort of gravity trying to pull it into the board...not across it. I used to use the Ouija with my brother all the time (never worked when I'd try alone, and my brother believed, too)...until I started to feel addicted. The spirit we always talked to was Hughie. It warmed my heart how badly his spelling was. Rest in peace, Hughie.

[DaSoviet]

and having a position of authority on an Internet forum does not mean that individual is any smarter or rational than the next person ...At no point did I say that I was superior nor smarter. Nor did I even imply so...

Just giving my opinion like the rest of you, if that is ok with yourself?


as always, opinions vary, I speak from personal experience (which is as subjective and biased as it gets, so I'm not going to bring it up for 'proof'Erm, why bring it up then?

[SeeYA]

Nu Kua:

evil spirits do not reside in Oujia boards. If we use Oujia boards or the like we open our hearts and minds to the supernatural. No one should do that for any reason. I am sure we can all agree that evil exists in this world. It is getting stronger. It shows itself in many areas of our lives. We can;t trust our minds to figure all this out. It's way over our heads.

Fairy tales are the devils parables. ("Christ spoke in parables") He tries to imitate Jesus all the time. Did you know JESUS was born April 1 – That’s right, to the world = April fools day! Satan comes as and angel of light! My butthola!

“(BTW you should understand the first 20 so years of my life were well steeped in fundamentalist Christianity. I'm well familiar with the KJV.)”

Your teacher was wrong; otherwise you would have come to some truth.

It isn't about "fundamentalist Christianity" or any church! Its about your One to One relashionship with GOD. Forget the churches, they were wrong for years. The Bible proves this, we were all lied too.

[Mezurashi]

Erm, why bring it up then?

not to try for any sort of points of whatever but more like hanging a sign saying, "I Have Seen Weird Things," in order to place my POV for purposes for further interaction - I'm one of those types, in other words.

again, this isn't done for any other reason than disclosure, putting a 'label' on where I stand on something. this is why I wasn't about to present subjective stuff as any form of evidence - it's not. it's stuff I remember and other than that I have no proof to offer you, so it is not something I expect you to accept as anything but personal recollections.

does that explain it enough? I ask because I have no idea what anyone on the other end of these back and forths is like - how they like things explained, described, whatever.

anyways, as one of those types I'd like to chime in again with the same thing that others have been saying - the Thing itself is not good or evil by nature, it's what might want through for whatever reason ... and if we're thinking random then good stuff could just as easily emerge as evil. however, there is a part of me that feels that the majority of 'spirits' which still roam about in 'our' realm are probably quite indifferent to us. no real reason for this, just a feeling.

[Nu Kua]

however, there is a part of me that feels that the majority of 'spirits' which still roam about in 'our' realm are probably quite indifferent to us. no real reason for this, just a feeling.

I agree. We are not as interesting to "the other side" as we are to ourselves.

[SeeYA]

We do think much of ourselves, don't we! THATS THE PROBLEM :)))))))))))))))

[Nu Kua]

I do not think it is a problem at all to think well of oneself, at all.
Take me, for instance, I love myself! I am one of my favorite people, faults and all. (and there are plenty of faults, as I am sure is obvious!)
My wish is for everyone to learn to truly love themselves and fill their own cup, so to speak. Then from that cup they are able to love others, and receive it back as well.

The mistake, I believe, is to think that other intelligent life in the universe (some say potential, I say actual) gives a crap about us an what we are doing here, ESPECIALLY regarding the concerns of the individual.
I do imagine though on some far away planet, other people wondering about "life out there" and perhaps, in the same way we are able to detect planets orbiting around distant suns, they have detected the planets in our solar system. And of course they have the same questions we do about the origins of life and ect.