Wake Up, Stupid

[lotrfan55345]

Mankind is heading for extiction.

There is nothing we can now do about it.

Of course, if we'd have listened to those "hippie types" thirty years ago and paid attention to organisations like Greenpeace or Friends of the Earth, then things might be different. But we didn't listen and now we must pay the price for our ignorance, arrogance and stupidity. Unfortunately most people in the western world are stupid. We ignore anything we hear or read that doesn't suit us or the lifestyles we envisage for ourselves. We are running out of oil, a finite rescource, but we still drive around in gas guzzling SUV's and "Off Road" vehicles.

That's stupid.

Global warming, for years something that was denied by supposedly "intelligent" politicians and world leaders and still is by George W Bush and the republican party, is now recognised as a reality. Still we continue to burn fossil fuels, waste precious energy and allow industry to continue to poison the already poisonous air.

That's stupid.

Scientists, many of them experts in their field, from such respected organisations as the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies have been telling anyone who would listen that ecologically and environmentally the world is in deep trouble. But no-one is listening.

That's stupid.

In the last year I have written articles describing the possible extinction of the human race through natural disasters, some of which will be precipitated by global warming. Mega Tsunamis, a supervolcano eruption and a new Ice Age all pose an immediate threat to the world. No-one listened. (Well, exept for some of you AO members!)

That's stupid.

Recently, a report commissioned by influential Pentagon defence adviser Andrew Marshall and leaked to the UK's Observer newspaper concluded that climate change will lead to nuclear war and global catastrophe that will cost millions, perhaps billions of lives. It stated that global warming was a far greater threat to the United States and the world than terrorism. However, the report was suppressed by US defence chiefs Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz for four months.

That's stupid.

What will it take to make people wake up to the fact that we are in very serious trouble. Within ten years global warming will shut down the Gulf Stream, forcing North America, Britain and Northern Europe into an ice age. We will no longer be able to grow our own food or breed our own livestock. Nothing grows when the thermometer falls to minus 50C. In the next four to five years global warming will raise sea levels to such an extent that major flooding will occur over large parts of the planet. Violent storms will smash coastal barriers making places like the Netherlands and parts of low lying areas in the United Kingdom and coastal areas of the United States uninhabitable.

Mega-droughts will affect the world's major breadbaskets, including America's Midwest, rising temparatures will force the necessary evacuation of many of the places currently considered habitable, and by 2020 "catastrophic" shortages of water and energy supply will become increasingly harder to overcome, plunging the planet into continual war for control of these vital resources. But is anybody listening?

Perhaps May 28th. this year will finally be the time when the world wakes up to the problems we are all going to face. It is on this day that Roland Emmerich's new film "The Day After Tommorow" is released world-wide. Emerich, the producer of the blockbuster "Independence Day" has made a film that graphically depicts the horrific effects of global warming. "While aliens were the enemy in Independence Day, in The Day After Tomorrow, the enemy is us. The film is a nightmare story not about what could happen but what will happen if global warming worsens and world leaders look the other way", Emmerich says.

And so, in The Day After Tomorrow, tornadoes rip apart Los Angeles; a snowstorm buries New Delhi; massive hailstones the size of grapefruit batter Tokyo; a volcano erupts next to the Hollywood sign in Los Angeles, San Fransisco Bay freezes over and in New York City, the temperature swings from sweltering to freezing in one day as a massive 200 foot high tidal wave approaches the city at the speed of a jet airliner. The special effects in the film are said to be "the best ever" and those that have seen previews say they were "visibly shocked" by the scale of the destruction and the realisation that the events being portrayed in the film will happen unless we address the problems of climate change and global warming.

Perhaps, with all the publicity surrounding the film, those stupid people who deny global warming is a reality will wake up. George W Bush and his fellow republicans should be forced to sit through the entire film at least twice. Maybe then they'll be forced to aknowledged the truth. (I realise that this is difficult for the Bush administration). Unfortunately though, it may now be too late.

This was an original thought by Ian Gurney

http://www.rense.com/general50/wakeupstupid.htm

WAKE UP STUPID! IS THERE A WAY TO MAKE WESTERNERS MORE STUPID?
:Bday:

[Kohler]

I agree with you for the most part. And that movie sounds like its goign to be good, I'll make sure i see it.

[Bigsky770]

- - -Enjoyed reading that, (believe it or not) I've been listening!!! :D
Unfortunately, you are correct in your assertion that there are too many who do not 'listen', these types just prefer to remain in 'Ignorland'. . .
Other than that, I was thinking (like with the knowledge the Gov't currently has as to the extent of the problem) perhaps we are at that point in time where it's not as though the Gov't does'nt WANT to do anything about it, It may be that the Gov't Won't because it is FAR to late TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. . . . :dead:

Joe (Bigsky770)

[lotrfan55345]

I'm sorry for the vulgarity of the thread. I just really get mad when I see these ignorant types. I needed to blow off some steam! :crs:

[bbbv3.5]

Best effects ever... yeah right. Cmon LOTR, nothing is going to beat ROTK in that category.

[prezhorusin04]

You blew off some steam like Mt. St. Helens!!-
Good observations, and good post LotR!! :smokin:

[Mr_W]

Gobal Warming? Happened five (http://www.scotese.com/climate.htm) times in fact, it's nothing really new. IT'S ALREADY HAPPENED! Some volcanic activity, cow farts, and some Human involvment and you get climate change. Doesn't matter what's it's caused by, it's till the same old climate change.
And why worry about SUV's in the next couple decades they'll be phased out by this (http://auto.howstuffworks.com/hy-wire.htm/printable). It'll be in America by 2010, and expect to see oil companies kiss their butts goodbye by then too, because hydrogen (http://auto.howstuffworks.com/hydrogen-economy.htm/printable)'s going to be the next big thing in fuel.

[lotrfan55345]

For you first link

Its still going to happen, won't it? It may or may not be by humans, but the fact is that IS going to happen/.

For your first & second link, as it states, we will need 200% more energy capacity. Where are we going to get that? Also, if current predictions hold, by 2007~2010, consumption will outstrip demand, will cars be hydrogen by then? And will we have 200% more energy capacity? Actually, it should be 242% because 42% is made by renewables. Also, have you noticed how oil prices is connected to the economy? We need an awfull lot to happen in 3-6 years.

[Mr_W]

Yes, that is a problem. The Cars are the biggest problem and they can be easily taken care of by the Hydrogen Power. But the Generators, hmm... you could suppliment the Solar Power with that. And hopefuly Fusion Reactors could finally be usable sometime in the future, Several Decades at best. At the moment Wind Turbines, Solar Power, Geothermal Energy, and Hydroelectric Power seem the most promising to help out the Hydrogen economy.

A neat little fact about Fusion Reactors is that you only need a medium sized lake to get enough Deutirium to last Centuries.

[lotrfan55345]

Yes, but the question is can we do all that in 3-6 years? Renewable supply like 20% of electricity.

[Mr_W]

The Cars are going to be in 2010. The Generators... who knows when.

Also...



Its still going to happen, won't it? It may or may not be by humans, but the fact is that IS going to happen/.
I didn't say global warming wasn't going to happen, I was just saying it's climate change and it's happened several times already.

[lotrfan55345]

Yes, but what are we going to do about it? We didn't have 6,000,000,000 people provide for during the previous major climate changes. Previously, the world had what, like 800,000 people? What about the millions who live in low tying areas like the Netherlands, Bangladesh, Florida, Parts of England, Tokyo, NYC, Bombay just to name a few. There probably have been thousands of these "changes" though. A

Also, I hope GM get acess to every car manufacturing plant in the world. Also, we better conver every open area in the world into solar/wind plants.

Also, here are some other problems, the products use oil:

Transporting fuel to power plants
Plastics
Tractors
Farm Machinery
Fertilizers
Pesticides
Clothes (non cotton)
Mining Devices
Silicone

We NEED to have these products inorder to support a modern society, billions will starve if the farm mechinery, fertilizers, and pecticide issue is not solved.

Also, our food producing areas will probably have a drasticly different climate by 2020, what are we going to do about that?

If we don't solve these problems now, we WILL be screwed. After all of this happens, it will be dificult to even have a Medival type of civiliation due to depleted recources and trees. The worst case scenario is that the people who live through this and seeing all their loved ones die, the last things on there minds will probably be having kids, which would lead to extincion.

We are screwed.

[Mr_W]

The oil problem can easily be solved by processing Carbon matter into oil. (http://www.changingworldtech.com/techfr.htm)
But Global Warming... Mabey a strange solution is needed. Have places to grow a whole bunch of Plants to soak up some CO2, and mabey cause some Alge blooms in the ocean to cool things down a bit.

[Wesh]

I would like to know where u get all that stuff in ur mind... oh by 2010 we will all be doomed..... Give me some evidence!!!!

[lotrfan55345]

The proccessing of carbon matter in the oil probably cannot support all of the world's supply of oil. It will soften the blow, yes, but as I said, it will not account of ALL of the cars, machinery, power plants, fetilizers and ETC.



oh by 2010 we will all be doomed
I never said that



Give me some evidence!!!!
Look at the world around you, have you seen the price at the pump lately? Look at another news source other than the major ones.

[lotrfan55345]

Also that processing Carbon matter into oil, looks like it uses more energy to make the oil, than what the oil makes. It is the same as hydrogen, (it uses 1.3mil KH to make hydrogen, the hydrogen will only make 1mil KH), and our electric capacity has to increase by 241%+.

[Chris4334]

A neat little fact about Fusion Reactors is that you only need a medium sized lake to get enough Deutirium to last Centuries.

The problem with fusion power is the temperatures needed to run the reactors. You need things to be so hot that we don't have a material on earth that can remain in solid form to control the reaction. My former physics teacher told us that most of the technology is there to produce the reaction, but as soon as it begins, the container melts and we lose it. Maybe one day we could do it in space (float around so we don't need a container?) I don't know, I'm a layman in this...

I'm impressed with your postings lotrfan. Wish I could write that well at your age.

[Mr_W]

Actually all you need is a magnetic feild to contain the plasma for the fusion reaction. But the real problem with fusion reactor's is that you need to put a lot of power into the Reaction to get a small Reaction.
Go here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_reactor) for more information.

[lotrfan55345]

I am opting for the Tesla tower and/or Fusion to solve our problems. :D

[Wesh]

Look at the world around you, have you seen the price at the pump lately? Look at another news source other than the major ones.


Okay i've been looking at the world around me, i see no diffrences than for 5 years, (only new technology)

price at the pump? i guess you mean gas station... Are they supposed to be higher or lower? and what does it matter?... well its like its always been here.

why not look at the major ones?

[Wesh]

im sorry... but i just dont belive that the UK will in 2020 have the same winter temperatures like in siberia now.

[SeekNDestroy]

Great post lotr.

I've made this point before, but it's real easy to sit back and blame Bush for global warming, and then use your computers, cars and lights. It's all our fault. Either we have civilisation or we save the environment, and I know which matters more to me.

[lotrfan55345]

Wesh, they are higher, atleast here in the US, they are projected to reach $3.00 a gallon, and if the holds; that will hold serious implications to the North American economy and which could cause another great depression.

For climate change, here is an "official" source, this is probably the most respected oceanographic institute in the world:

http://www.whoi.edu/institutes/occi/currenttopics/ct_abruptclimate.htm

[Chris4334]

Either we have civilisation or we save the environment, and I know which matters more to me

I don't think I could make that decision. I value the environment and civilization equally. Perhaps the environment more than civilization. But not by much. Imagine never being alone in a quiet forested area ever again... THAT is my Armageddon. But you're English: you don't have any real forests left :nono:

[SeekNDestroy]

I don't think I could make that decision. I value the environment and civilization equally. Perhaps the environment more than civilization. But not by much. Imagine never being alone in a quiet forested area ever again... THAT is my Armageddon. But you're English: you don't have any real forests left You're making that choice right now, by using your computer.

[iangurney]

As the piece you posted on this forum, namely "Wake Up Stupid" is not your work, perhaps you would like in future to credit the authors of articles you steal off websites like www.rense.com and which you then try and take credit for. This is plagarism and intellectual property theft.
I want you to apologise to the entire forum for copying my piece of work and claiming it as your own. Copyright laws exist on the internet as they do elsewhere so an apology and an admission of theft needs to be posted on this site by you immediately .
Ian Gurney.........author of "Wake up Stupid" and the bestseller "The Cassandra Prophecy" (www.caspro.com)

[mickydoolittle]

Yes, but what are we going to do about it? We didn't have 6,000,000,000 people provide for ... We are screwed.

First, Fuq them. We don't have to provide for them.

Second, they are screwed. Always look out for number one kid.

[Godsgifttomankind]

Very impressive Lotrfan,

The problem is far greater than we can imagine and yet there are solutions that do not include causing more damage to the environment. As Mike has said it is possible to blame the leaders of the world but the responsibility does fall on to each of our laps. We all have some challenging choices to make, at present it is big business that actually controls many of the decisions that we make and it takes presentations such as this to bring people to the awareness that there are consequences for the choices that we make. Civilization is going to continue but not in the present form, changes are inevitable and it is just a matter of suffering now or suffering more later. The reality of it is that most will choose to suffer greatly later based mostly on ignorance and refusal to understand the signs and take appropriate action.

Moderation can be one of the most innovative ideas that can be chosen, along with a little sacrifice of the more frivolous activities.

[TrishaYrwoodFan]

I cannot support your remark on global warming. If there truly was a "global warming," then my winters would be much milder. And they are not. They have been far worse with much colder temps and more snow. If there truly was global warming, then the whole freakin' globe would be warming up. It's simply not the case here.

"Global Warming" is a good buzzword though. Makes people sit up and listen. I have a suggestion for you: Think outside the box.

[lotrfan55345]

Global Warming is cutting off the thermohaline circulation. It will make Eastern North America and Western Europe have a climate like Siberia, along with other weather variations along the world.... Also, the world is warming up. We have more "record highs" than "record lows".



for copying my piece of work and claiming it as your own.

I never said I wrote it, people assumed I wrote it. So I'm just like whatever.

[Mr_W]

Actually Michigan had a couple record lows this winter, some of the lowest temperatures in a while. I don't see a whole lot of warming going on, I wish it would get warmer! TOO COLD!!! It's probably a lot colder in Minnesota though.

And I'll give you a good "Thinking outside of the box Apocolypse" for 'ya. The Sheep are going to kill us all, in about 7 Years.

Lotrfan you are very pessimistic; Humans are very smart, adaptable little buggers. We can think of something.

[Chris4334]

I never said I wrote it, people assumed I wrote it. So I'm just like whatever

I'll try that one on my professors next time I hand in an essay. :bs:



Lotrfan you are very pessimistic; Humans are very smart, adaptable little buggers. We can think of something.

It usually takes a disaster to provoke us into action though. How many people will have to die before we can stabilize our world again after supposed Armageddon?

[TrishaYrwoodFan]

Then it's not global warming...Its sporadic warming, sporadic cooling. The scenario does not fit. :confused: :gotcha:


Global Warming is cutting off the thermohaline circulation. It will make Eastern North America and Western Europe have a climate like Siberia, along with other weather variations along the world.... Also, the world is warming up. We have more "record highs" than "record lows".




I never said I wrote it, people assumed I wrote it. So I'm just like whatever.

[bbbv3.5]

I saw the trailer for The Day After Tomorrow and it looks over the top. I am going to see it but I dont think I am going to like it.

[lotrfan55345]

Then it's not global warming...Its sporadic warming, sporadic cooling. The scenario does not fit.

"Global warming will shut down the Gulf Stream, forcing North America, Britain and Northern Europe into an ice age"

When I said we have more record highs than lows, I was convincing you that the world in general was warming up.

[iangurney]

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As the auhtor of "Wake Up Stupid" I notice a few people out there are asking a very sensible question. If the planet is "Warming" how come the northern hemisphere is going to get "Cooler".
Below is an article I wrote for the UK's Daily Express last year, in which I explain exactly why global warming will send northern Europe and the US into a new ice age.
I have left my research links at the bottom of the article to further help anyone who wants more information.

Ice Age Britain?
by Ian Gurney.

Published in the November 8th. 2003 edition of The Daily Express.

NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, in a report to be published
in November's edition of the American Meteorological Society's Journal
of Climate, reports that "The summer ice cover in the Arctic has been
declining at a rate of nine per cent a decade and is very close to the
record low set last year." It warns that "If the high latitudes continue to
warm, and ice cover continues to decline, the whole planet will be
affected."
At the same time, Dr Seymour Laxon, from the Centre for Polar
Observation and Modelling at University College London reported in the
30th. October edition of Nature magazine that "Global warming and
climate change has caused a 40% thinning of the Arctic ice fields since
the 1960's. Continued decrease in the Arctic's ice cover," says Dr. Laxon,
"would also act to increase the effects of global warming in the northern
hemisphere by decreasing the amount of sunlight reflected by the ice."
Here in the British Isles, far from being disturbed by the effects of
global warming, most have welcomed this predicted climate change as
having a beneficial effect on the UK weather, giving us warmer winters
and hotter summers, much like the Mediterranean climate.
However, startling new evidence suggests that global warming could have
a very different affect on the UK's climate. As Dr. Laxon says, "Arctic
ice plays a role in the operation of the Gulf Stream, and this could be
disrupted by continued thinning of the ice. It could shut down the Gulf
Stream, and if that happens, the United Kingdom would be plunged into an
Arctic winter within a few years."
Currently Britain enjoys remarkably mild weather for a land mass so far
north. Other areas parallel to Britain, such as parts of Siberia, Alaska
and Canada, are inhospitable, sparsely populated and devoid of
agriculture. In Churchill, Manitoba, on the same latitude as Inverness, the
winter is long, the snow is deep, the sea freezes far and wide as the
thermometer falls to minus 50C. There are only two months a year
without snow. When the polar bears emerge from hibernation, they gnaw
the dustbins in Churchill in search of scraps.
The factor that keeps Britain's climate temperate is the Gulf Stream, an
ocean current that brings five trillion tons of warm water from the
tropics to Europe every day. This warms the air, and keeps our winters
mild.
However, this may not last. For over 30 years, climate researchers
working for the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change (IPCC) have been analysing samples from Greenland’s polar ice
caps. These tell a story of wildly fluctuating weather, with sudden and
drastic changes in climate. The last 11,000 years have seen a remarkably
stable period, which has enabled the growth of settlements, agriculture,
and civilisation itself. But alarming new reports suggest that this period
might be coming to an end.
The thick polar ice of the north Atlantic forces the warm, saline currents
of the Gulf Stream deep underwater, creating an effect scientists call a
"conveyor belt". As the polar water sinks, the warmer water is drawn in
from the south to take its place, creating a current flowing across the
Atlantic from south to north.
If the ice caps — which are composed of fresh water — start melting in
sufficient quantities it could dilute the Gulf Stream, making it less saline,
less dense and preventing it from sinking. It will simply stay on the
surface of the Arctic Ocean and freeze. If there is no water sinking,
there will be nothing to draw the warm replacement water in from the
south, causing the "conveyor belt" effect to stop.
According to James Hansen, of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space
Studies, "It would take no more than a quarter of 1 per cent more fresh
water flowing into the North Atlantic from melting glaciers to bring the
northwards flow of the Gulf Stream to a halt."
This cataclysmic event would force temperatures in Great Britain down
by as much as 15 degrees Celsius, equivalent to almost 60 degrees
Fahrenheit, in a very short period of time, and according to some IPCC
researchers, such a catastrophe could be imminent.
The effects of this catastrophe are hard to comprehend. The farming
industry of the British Isles will be completely destroyed, as the drop in
temperature halts agricultural growth completely, making animal
husbandry and food production virtually impossible. Britain's
infrastructure, designed over centuries for a temperate climate, will
collapse, forcing manufacturers, businesses and services into terminal
decline, with the consequent massive rise in unemployment sending
consumer spending on anything but winter clothing and food spiralling
downwards. The British economy, financial institutions, major businesses
and services and the British people will be in deep trouble.
It would appear that far from creating an idyllic Mediterranean climate,
global warming could send the British Isles back into the Ice Age.

©Copyright: Ian Gurney November 2003.
Ian Gurney is a journalist, broadcaster and author of the bestseller "The
Cassandra Prophecy" (www.caspro.com) published by International Global
Press. ISBN 0953581314. He can be contacted at :info@caspro.com


Research Links :
www.nerc.ac.uk/publications/latestpressrelease/index.asp
Natural Environmental Research Council.
www.giss.nasa.gov Goddard Institute for Space Studies.
www.nature.com Nature Magazine.
www.ipcc.ch Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
www.met-office.gov.uk Hadley Meteorological Centre.
www.royalsoc.ac.uk The Royal Society.

Climate change on the Internet:
www.royalsoc.ac.uk/templates/search/websearch.cfm?mainpage=/events/
discussion_meetings/reps/acc.htm
www.gcrio.org/
http://ipcc-ddc.cru.uea.ac.uk/
http://themes.eea.eu.int/theme.php/issues/climate
www.igc.apc.org/climate/Eco.html
www.greenpeace.org/~climate/industry/reports/sceptics.html

[MetalMilitia]

Excellent read Ian.... and welcome to the forums!

Hope you stick around here...

-MM-:crs:

[Hoodlum]

That is all true, as well for the United States, but hey does anyone notice every year when ya take a trip to the beach, the water just seems colder every damn time? I notice it myself...

Now when you guys say ohh, its colder here, blah blah, well see were talking about the extremes of nature. Its going to freeze to shit. Global Warming??? Well i think the summers are going to be so blistering that , the forests burn, and people begin to melt... AHHHHHHH!! :Bdevil:

[lotrfan55345]

As Bigsky said, "A difference of just one hundred miles could mean the difference to a warm-temprate climate to a Siberian climate". :bncry:

[MR.G]

Humanity may -may - be accelerating some natural fluctuations with the earth's climate but don't forget that these fluctuation HAVE happened over and over again throughout the history of the earth. We've had what (?) half a dozen ice ages in the last few million years, volcanic eruptions are a DAILY event, earthquakes..ditto ...

What does sound stupid is your constant politicizing the problem and blaming BUSH when the human element of this problem has existed since the onset of the industrail revolution. Compared with the rest of the industrailized world the American contribution to pollution is based almost solely on their wealth and hence the abundance of vehicles. Industrial pollution throughout the rest of the planet has been bad enough to make the US contribution look like a friggin garden. Have you ever seen the Caspian Basin where Russia got most of its oil. Not a plant grows for thousands of square miles. Ditto MOST of the Chinese industrail areas and there IS NO POLLUTION CONTROL in those places. The problem is global. You trivailize the argument when you make it sound like BUSH is the (only) bad guy.

Get over the BUSH BASHING, write your own articles (plagerizing or simply drag and dropping other writers' articles doesn't "count" as "I've written articles...." OK) and you may be taken seriously...but I doubt it. :grind:

[lotrfan55345]

Humanity may -may - be accelerating some natural fluctuations with the earth's climate but don't forget that these fluctuation HAVE happened over and over again throughout the history of the earth. We've had what (?) half a dozen ice ages in the last few million years, volcanic eruptions are a DAILY event, earthquakes..ditto ...


Whats your point?
It's gonna happen, ain't it?


What does sound stupid is your constant politicizing the problem and blaming BUSH when the human element of this problem has existed since the onset of the industrail revolution

I never said it was all his fault, but he enacted environmental De-regulations


ndustrial pollution throughout the rest of the planet has been bad enough to make the US contribution look like a friggin garden.

Now where was it I heard that the US was the top contributor to greenhouse gasses...


your own articles (plagerizing or simply drag and dropping other writers' articles doesn't "count" as "I've written articles...." OK)

... which I never took credit for, everyone assumed I wrote it...

[MR.G]

""Whats your point? It's gonna happen, ain't it?""

Of course it will. When is the question. Tomrrow or when the sun novas out? You're guess is as good as mine.

""I never said it was all his fault, but he enacted environmental De-regulations...""

You're constantly harping about BUSH. I doubt very much whether his DEregulations matter much in the grand scheme of things.

""Now where was it I heard that the US was the top contributor to greenhouse gasses... ""

Of course it is. Not only the wealth of the nation allows almost everybody to have a car or three but there is also a huge amount of greenhouse gasses produced from the entire farm industry. The US feeds a good chunk of the world via food aid. To reduce greenhouse gasses that MAY at some time in the future trigger climate changes do you seriously suggest tens of millions of hmans be left to starve NOW? I think even the most diehard tree huggers might have second thoughts about that strategy.

As far as 3rd world pollution goes - greenhouse gasses are not good. We know that but some of the pollution from the 3rd world and Russia and China are a lot worse than greenhouse gasses. At least the west has tried to control that, bury it, incinerate it - whatever it takes to clean it up.