Economics: why money will fail

[UVsaturated]

Placed this in science because it is an economic topic.

I am just an armchair economist so I present this in simple terms, but in a nutshell here is why money is doomed to fail. There are two circumstances which will cause this. One is that the quantity of money is finite and second is because all transactions involve a profit or tax (unless it is an equal barter which is a rare occurrence).

Because the amount of currency in circulation at any given time is finite and the population grows exponentially in most cases, there is a constant struggle of the dwindling resource of currency. The other struggle is that those on top of the economic pyramid (wealthy) are in a constant battle to procure as much wealth as possible through the use of profit, which is a perceived increase in the value of a good or service when actually nothing of value has been added to it. This is why it may cost $40 to manufacture a plastic wedge but they end up charging you $100 when it is all said and done. Between the beginning and end, everyone is adding profit to the equation or extracting money and value out of something that does not have but a fraction of the value. The governments constantly add money to the system to compensate this so to create a balance that is neither inflation or deflation.

All things being equal this amounts to the majority of the worlds population getting poorer and poorer with less real value of their income. When this happens, even the smallest fluctuations in trouble can cause people and cities to be devastated financially. Eventually the system reaches a point where the masses as a whole can never actually get enough money to live on. It is an impossible system to maintain because as it grows larger the worse it becomes. Adding more money into the system actually speeds up its own destruction. This is why, despite the huge influx of money introduced by the Feds this last year, it seems nothing is stopping the economic system from collapsing. They are actually contributing to making it collapse even faster.

Fortunately, I think a lot of people will come out of this much wiser and less willing to give over power and authority to anyone other than themselves.

[iulian28ti]

Growth of population... i didn't think of that. :bounce:

[olddragon]

Adding more money into the system actually speeds up its own destruction. This is why, despite the huge influx of money introduced by the Feds this last year, it seems nothing is stopping the economic system from collapsing. They are actually contributing to making it collapse even faster.

Fortunately, I think a lot of people will come out of this much wiser and less willing to give over power and authority to anyone other than themselves.

It is a shame that our elected hero's can't see this.
You are right on target.

All they are doing is forcing the country into economic slavery, because the debt will never be repaid.
Not for many generations.
Even if the system colapses, the countries that hold US debt,
will become our overlords.

[UVsaturated]

Growth of population... i didn't think of that. :bounce:

Sure, think of it every year when the kiddies graduate high school all the new "employees" that must be fed. Of course the older generations die off, but we have a net growth in population - not just in the US, but much of the world.

[Godsgifttomankind]

Hello UVsaturated and thank-you for the intriguing thread,

I am just an armchair economist so I present this in simple terms, but in a nutshell here is why money is doomed to fail.

Money is only the means by which values are quantified.


There are two circumstances which will cause this. One is that the quantity of money is finite and second is because all transactions involve a profit or tax (unless it is an equal barter which is a rare occurrence).

Another point to keep in mind is that the barter system does not always represent an equal system, this was the cause of it's downfall for people can only put into the system that which they have to offer and what they have to offer quite often had to be bartered for something that the receiver could use. Money gave the receiver the power to get that which they required without the difficulty of storing things that they did not need for future barters nor trying to find someone that had what they needed and would exchange for something that they had.


Because the amount of currency in circulation at any given time is finite and the population grows exponentially in most cases, there is a constant struggle of the dwindling resource of currency. The other struggle is that those on top of the economic pyramid (wealthy) are in a constant battle to procure as much wealth as possible through the use of profit, which is a perceived increase in the value of a good or service when actually nothing of value has been added to it. This is why it may cost $40 to manufacture a plastic wedge but they end up charging you $100 when it is all said and done. Between the beginning and end, everyone is adding profit to the equation or extracting money and value out of something that does not have but a fraction of the value. The governments constantly add money to the system to compensate this so to create a balance that is neither inflation or deflation.

Is it possible that we are looking at this from completely the wrong direction?

The answer I believe is in a value added system, do you know what this looks like?


All things being equal this amounts to the majority of the worlds population getting poorer and poorer with less real value of their income. When this happens, even the smallest fluctuations in trouble can cause people and cities to be devastated financially. Eventually the system reaches a point where the masses as a whole can never actually get enough money to live on. It is an impossible system to maintain because as it grows larger the worse it becomes. Adding more money into the system actually speeds up its own destruction. This is why, despite the huge influx of money introduced by the Feds this last year, it seems nothing is stopping the economic system from collapsing. They are actually contributing to making it collapse even faster.

These things that you speak of are a symptom of the weaknesses of the system and it is when we come to understand that which is causing the collapse of the system, it is possible to change those things and bring the system into balance.


Fortunately, I think a lot of people will come out of this much wiser and less willing to give over power and authority to anyone other than themselves.

You are right the more we look at things and become informed the wiser the choices that we make, one of the most important choices is who or what we give our power and authority to. So often it is not about giving power to the wrong people but about not giving power to the right people. Many people do not act because they do not believe that they can make a difference, educate yourselves on that which will have the most positive effect and get behind it and change will come.

[UVsaturated]

Which is probably another falsehood of a possible "mark of the beast", if it is ever implemented. True, we could create an economic system with unlimited control based entirely on digital currency, yet the same inherent problems exist with it as does a paper currency. An electronic currency may solve some problems, such as being able to curtail monetary based crime, but where there is a will there is a way and people will just find ways around all that. For example if a person is desperate, they can always go rob the local convenience store, yet with an electronic system where no physical money is involved, desperate people will resort to kidnapping and physical extortion to extract whatever it is they need, which can usually lead to more violent crime.

[MVP]

Placed this in science because it is an economic topic.

I am just an armchair economist so I present this in simple terms, but in a nutshell here is why money is doomed to fail. There are two circumstances which will cause this. One is that the quantity of money is finite and second is because all transactions involve a profit or tax (unless it is an equal barter which is a rare occurrence).

Because the amount of currency in circulation at any given time is finite and the population grows exponentially in most cases, there is a constant struggle of the dwindling resource of currency. The other struggle is that those on top of the economic pyramid (wealthy) are in a constant battle to procure as much wealth as possible through the use of profit, which is a perceived increase in the value of a good or service when actually nothing of value has been added to it. This is why it may cost $40 to manufacture a plastic wedge but they end up charging you $100 when it is all said and done. Between the beginning and end, everyone is adding profit to the equation or extracting money and value out of something that does not have but a fraction of the value. The governments constantly add money to the system to compensate this so to create a balance that is neither inflation or deflation.

All things being equal this amounts to the majority of the worlds population getting poorer and poorer with less real value of their income. When this happens, even the smallest fluctuations in trouble can cause people and cities to be devastated financially. Eventually the system reaches a point where the masses as a whole can never actually get enough money to live on. It is an impossible system to maintain because as it grows larger the worse it becomes. Adding more money into the system actually speeds up its own destruction. This is why, despite the huge influx of money introduced by the Feds this last year, it seems nothing is stopping the economic system from collapsing. They are actually contributing to making it collapse even faster.

Fortunately, I think a lot of people will come out of this much wiser and less willing to give over power and authority to anyone other than themselves.

As I mentined on other thread collaps is not an accident, it has been planned and, yes, quicker you figure out your survival rate would be greater.


Growth of population... i didn't think of that. :bounce:

What makes you think the government is giving out "credits" for children?

[UVsaturated]

As I mentined on other thread collaps is not an accident, it has been planned and, yes, quicker you figure out your survival rate would be greater.


Nothing is really an accident. One point of disagreement between those who are spiritually minded and those who look at things outwardly is that those who seek refuge in the knowledge of the physical world tend to blame the problems in the higher echelons as being the source and usually with a ulterior purpose bent on destroying the world. The spiritual develop a sense that God - or whatever you wish to call him - is in charge and thus is working through the highest authorities of the world unbeknownst to them in order to bring about their own destruction in the belief system of false principles. God, however is not out to destroy his true children, but will make a show of force in order to rapture all he has called spiritually into his name. This does not mean God's children are flying up into heaven, but that they need to learn to trust in him and still their hearts.

If you base your survival on your own understandings and not that of what God has in mind, it may cause you much grievances. Just sayin'.

[Godsgifttomankind]

Hello UVsaturated and thank-you for your kedge,

Nothing is really an accident. One point of disagreement between those who are spiritually minded and those who look at things outwardly is that those who seek refuge in the knowledge of the physical world tend to blame the problems in the higher echelons as being the source and usually with a ulterior purpose bent on destroying the world. The spiritual develop a sense that God - or whatever you wish to call him - is in charge and thus is working through the highest authorities of the world unbeknownst to them in order to bring about their own destruction in the belief system of false principles. God, however is not out to destroy his true children, but will make a show of force in order to rapture all he has called spiritually into his name. This does not mean God's children are flying up into heaven, but that they need to learn to trust in him and still their hearts.

The deeper a person digs the more one realizes that God has everyones best interests at heart and that He wants everyone to learn to use money for that which best benefits the whole of humanity.

Rapture is not flying up into the heavens but is coming to be one with the Truth and it is there that one is able to have a relationship with God.


If you base your survival on your own understandings and not that of what God has in mind, it may cause you much grievances. Just sayin'.

The problem is if you do not trust in yourself and know that you can differeniate between error and truth and know that through examination that you are able to recognize the Truth, you will never truly know God.