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Cartesiantheater
Feb 12th, 2009, 12:02 PM
Engineer people (this means you, Fire Ant) get in here! I know you know Series! There hasn't been a single (successful) engineer in the history of modern engineering that doesn't know series well! So, here goes...




I am certain I utterly failed an exam over differential equations. I got screwed on the series solution part. Now, I can do easy ones, like the one I will show in a second, but the hard ones, with unknown functions of variable coefficients? LOST.

Okay, here is what I CAN do.


Find a solution to


y' = 2xy


Using series. Piece o' cake. Series isn't needed, but I can do it with series.

Assume a solution of the form:


y = a0 + a1x + a2x^2 + a3x^3 + ... = Σ an x^n


differentiating term by term gives:


y' = 0 + a1 + 2a2x + 3a3x^3 + ... Σ nan x^(n-1)



Now plugging each into the original DE:


Σ nan x^(n-1) = 2x Σ an x^n


a1 + 2a2x + 3a3x^3 + ... =

2x*a0 + 2a1x^2 + 2a2x^3 + 2a3x^4 + ...


a1 = 0, because there is no constant term by itself in y

lining up powers of x and solving gives:



a2 = a0

a3 = (2/3)a2 = (2/3)a0

a4 = (1/2)a0

a5 = (4/15)a1 = 0



and so on until you get cΣx^2n/n!

I know this is right because using normal methods I get:



dy/dx = 2xy

dy/y = 2xdx

ln y = x^2 + ln c

y = ce^x^2 ==> y = c( 1 + x^2 + x^4 /2! + ...) = cΣx^2n/n!







But that is easy! (relatively speaking... sigh)







Here is where I need MONSTROUS help: when you have unknown variable coefficients, for example.

What would I do here?



y'' + 2x^(-1) y' + 2 q(x) y = 1


such that


y(1) = 1 and y'(1) = -1




Notice the q(x) term. Wtf do I do with it? Anyone who knows this stuff well, please lend a brotha a hand.



Of course, with the scarcity of our math people ever showing up, I doubt this will even be read, lol. But here's hoping someone sees it before next week (by then it will be... too late!)



Thanks!

Tired Old Man
Feb 12th, 2009, 2:18 PM
Math People ?

I thought I was doing good balancing my check book.
No wonder I like fishing.
Put bait on hook.
Throw into river.
Take fish home and cook.

J. Cruise
Feb 12th, 2009, 2:44 PM
Just remember TOM, club her first.... then drag her to your cave! lol...

CT, sorry, when it comes to math i utterly FAIL! i stopped at pre-calc in HS a LOOOOOOONG time ago lol, i can build just about anything, just don't ask me to explain the math of how i did it! lol...

Sorry i can't help.

TNAfan121
Feb 12th, 2009, 3:04 PM
i have no clue....

Tired Old Man
Feb 12th, 2009, 3:24 PM
Just remember TOM, club her first.... then drag her to your cave! lol...

CT, sorry, when it comes to math i utterly FAIL! i stopped at pre-calc in HS a LOOOOOOONG time ago lol, i can build just about anything, just don't ask me to explain the math of how i did it! lol...

Sorry i can't help.

Thank you J.C. for my new avatar.

RyeLiz
Feb 19th, 2009, 5:55 PM
I will forward you question to my daughter, who has a degree in applied mathematics from RIT, perhaps she will be able to help .... or not .... it's been 10 years since she graduated...though she is a high school math teacher...LOL

RyeLiz
Feb 19th, 2009, 5:58 PM
just noticed that it may be too late..... but hey, if she answers (she's on vaca and not home), I will forward the answer to you in a pm.

Cartesiantheater
Feb 19th, 2009, 6:54 PM
Well, I might be able to really hit the books this weekend, but I'm not sure. If she has the answer, it would be appreciated.

I think I might have panicked on the test though (I crammed the night before and got about .5 hours sleep prior... will NOT be doing THAT again...). Looking at it, now that we are doing Fourier series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourier_series), this one might become easy for me real quick... since as I understand it Fourier series is the gateway into partial differential equations, which are of course the ultimate bitch...