The Face of God

[Godsgifttomankind]

To Keep this simple I am going to focus on the face of God.

The face is the primary feature by which we identify anyone and it is the face that gives us recognition. It is the specific feature and attributes by which we recognize the face. The same can be said of the face of God, the only difference being that the attributes are spiritual and not physical.

What are spiritual Attributes?
These are qualities of spirit such as Love, Honesty, Compassion, Generosity and Unity, plus many more virtuous attributes.

How can I say that these make up the face of God?
All of these virtues can be seen in varying degrees, from very limited to great amounts. It is the abundance of these that we look for in the people around us and thus it is clearly evident that these qualities exist in absolute perfection or infinite abundance. We are all attracted to the greatest abundance of these qualities and repelled by the absence of them.
Why are we attracted to these qualities?
These attributes are a reflection of ourselves, the essence of our being; the force by which we exist and grow. They can be compared to the rays of the sun for a plant. When a plant receives the light of the sun it grows and produces flowers and then seed.
The same can be said of us, these attributes are the light of God that causes us to grow, when we receive this light we take it in and the flowers and seeds are our reflection of these qualities and passing them on to others and being planted in them.

David.

[evilwill]

To Keep this simple I am going to focus on the face of God.

The face is the primary feature by which we identify anyone and it is the face that gives us recognition. It is the specific feature and attributes by which we recognize the face. The same can be said of the face of God, the only difference being that the attributes are spiritual and not physical.

If these so called attributes distinguish the face of god, then anyone that has these so called spiritual attributes is 'god' according to such.


What are spiritual Attributes?
These are qualities of spirit such as Love, Honesty, Compassion, Generosity and Unity, plus many more virtuous attributes.

I don't believe these are spiritual attributes. They are merely concepts created by man to help describe emotions, actions and thoughts. Why do these certain attributes constitute being spiritual? Also, why those attributes? What about selfishness, hate, deceit and disunity?


It is the abundance of these that we look for in the people around us and thus it is clearly evident that these qualities exist in absolute perfection or infinite abundance.

You're going to have to elaborate. I don't see how this is clearly evident. I would say they couldn't exist in absolute perfection, for absolute perfection would be emotionless and hence have no such qualities.


These attributes are a reflection of ourselves, the essence of our being; the force by which we exist and grow.


The same can be said of us, these attributes are the light of God that causes us to grow, when we receive this light we take it in and the flowers and seeds are our reflection of these qualities and passing them on to others and being planted in them.

So you're saying that god gives us these attributes, causing us to grow, and pass them on? I would have to disagree with that as I said before, I believe these are merely concepts created by man to describe feelings.

I'll be interested to see what you have to say in reply......

[Godsgifttomankind]

If these so called attributes distinguish the face of god, then anyone that has these so called spiritual attributes is 'god' according to such.
If you see the reflection of the Sun in a mirror, is it the Sun that you see?
Any one that has these attributes is a reflection of God.
John 12
45When he looks at me, he sees the one who sent me. 46I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.

I don't believe these are spiritual attributes. They are merely concepts created by man to help describe emotions, actions and thoughts. Why do these certain attributes constitute being spiritual? Also, why those attributes? What about selfishness, hate, deceit and disunity?
Since we are all spiritual beings, we are attracted to the things of the spirit thus the things that we are attracted to are spiritual and the things that we are repelled from are of the physical world.
This calls on reflection of what it is that you are attracted to, are you attracted to love or hate, unity or disunity?

You're going to have to elaborate. I don't see how this is clearly evident. I would say they couldn't exist in absolute perfection, for absolute perfection would be emotionless and hence have no such qualities.
When you look at others you measure them on a scale, you say this person is loving and kind but recognize that there are limits to their love and kindness. This awareness of imperfection and the awareness that Love and Kindness can be manifest in far greater levels proves the existence of absolute perfection. Emotion has both positive and negative qualities, Love is a positive quality and hate is negative. Absolute Love is unconditional and has such power or force to attract everyone, while we can only express Love based upon conditions. Absolute perfection contains no negative emotion but is absolute positive emotion.

So you're saying that god gives us these attributes, causing us to grow, and pass them on? I would have to disagree with that as I said before, I believe these are merely concepts created by man to describe feelings.

I'll be interested to see what you have to say in reply......
If these are mere concepts how is it that we are able to perceive the levels of energy in the people around us?
You must have recognized the positive and negative energies of the people around you?

[evilwill]

Since we are all spiritual beings, we are attracted to the things of the spirit thus the things that we are attracted to are spiritual and the things that we are repelled from are of the physical world.
This calls on reflection of what it is that you are attracted to, are you attracted to love or hate, unity or disunity?

I disagree. I don't think we are all spiritual beings for I have no reason to believe there is a spirit. We are all physical, emotional and mental beings. The spirit is still a theory, and until it is proven otherwise my beliefs shall remain the same. The physical world does not repell us. Are you repelled from human contact, food or anything else that may be desirable? We are definitely physical beings.

It is true that most are attacted to the kinder attributes such as love, unity...... But I would classify those attributes under the mental/emotional category. There is no reason to believe these are the result of a spirit.


When you look at others you measure them on a scale, you say this person is loving and kind but recognize that there are limits to their love and kindness. This awareness of imperfection and the awareness that Love and Kindness can be manifest in far greater levels proves the existence of absolute perfection. Emotion has both positive and negative qualities, Love is a positive quality and hate is negative. Absolute Love is unconditional and has such power or force to attract everyone, while we can only express Love based upon conditions. Absolute perfection contains no negative emotion but is absolute positive emotion.

Love in unconditional amounts is not absolute perfection. Love can make people do stupid things, it can completely control them, having a negative result. Absolute perfection cannot involve love because of such. Love is not perfect, no matter the amount. Of course it has a good side to it, but my point is that even love has a bad side to it.


If these are mere concepts how is it that we are able to perceive the levels of energy in the people around us?
You must have recognized the positive and negative energies of the people around you?

Percieve the energy of people around us? Please explain how we do that?

[Godsgifttomankind]

Love in unconditional amounts is not absolute perfection. Love can make people do stupid things, it can completely control them, having a negative result. Absolute perfection cannot involve love because of such. Love is not perfect, no matter the amount. Of course it has a good side to it, but my point is that even love has a bad side to it.
Please explain what it is that you see as the bad side of Love.

Percieve the energy of people around us? Please explain how we do that?
Everyone has an energy field about them and when you are close to them you can feel their energy. Most of the time it is the negative energy that we feel or sense and want to move away but there is also a strong attraction to people with a positive energy force. People like Christ had a huge energy force about them that could be felt for miles and had a calming effect on the people around them. Children are much more aware of this and it is easier to see their reaction to strangers based on their energy.

Test this out for yourself and stand close to people to get a sense of their energy.

[evilwill]

Please explain what it is that you see as the bad side of Love.

You talk about absolute perfection consisting of large amounts of unconditional love. If one were to be so engulfed within love for another/others then that could possibly become such a priority and distract one from other important issues. If god is filled with unlimted, unconditional love for us, he must be pretty overwhelmed by such a feeling. So what else is he doing then besides sitting around and loving us?

My point is that love can be distracting from other important parts of life. Especially in these huge amounts that you claim would be present in absolute perfection.

Not to mention the effects of that love is not returned, that would not be positive.


Everyone has an energy field about them and when you are close to them you can feel their energy. Most of the time it is the negative energy that we feel or sense and want to move away but there is also a strong attraction to people with a positive energy force. People like Christ had a huge energy force about them that could be felt for miles and had a calming effect on the people around them. Children are much more aware of this and it is easier to see their reaction to strangers based on their energy.

Test this out for yourself and stand close to people to get a sense of their energy.

I have never noticed this before. Is this so called energy scientifically proven or merely a theory of yours?

[Godsgifttomankind]

You talk about absolute perfection consisting of large amounts of unconditional love. If one were to be so engulfed within love for another/others then that could possibly become such a priority and distract one from other important issues. If god is filled with unlimted, unconditional love for us, he must be pretty overwhelmed by such a feeling. So what else is he doing then besides sitting around and loving us?

My point is that love can be distracting from other important parts of life. Especially in these huge amounts that you claim would be present in absolute perfection.

Not to mention the effects of that love is not returned, that would not be positive.
What is more important than looking after the ones that you love?
When you are in love you do what ever your beloved requests without concern for yourself and without desire of reciprocation. A mother with a child has no other concerns but the well being of that child, when the child is upset or agitated the mother gives the child what it needs and sooths it. If this was conditional love as you speak of the mother would leave the child until the child was willing to act lovingly.



I have never noticed this before. Is this so called energy scientifically proven or merely a theory of yours?
This is quite an interesting question.
Have people quantified and theorized on this subject?
Many including Issac Newton
http://www.lauralee.com/hunt.htm
A large number of studies have been done in this area including recent studies on the effects of electrical transmission and cancerous anomalies in humans.

http://www.grassroots.ca/homeowner_help_articles/the-natural-healer_v2.html

[evilwill]

What is more important than looking after the ones that you love?
When you are in love you do what ever your beloved requests without concern for yourself and without desire of reciprocation. A mother with a child has no other concerns but the well being of that child, when the child is upset or agitated the mother gives the child what it needs and sooths it. If this was conditional love as you speak of the mother would leave the child until the child was willing to act lovingly.

Ok, I see your point. Let me give you a hypothetical situation here. As you say, God supposedly has unconditional love for us. Say he reaches a situation where another planet bearing life is threatened with destruction, yet god is busy attending to us because of his unconditional love and allows the other planet to die. You get my idea?

Thoe links you posted are interesting, but they do not prove that this so called bio-energy field has anything to do with spirit or god.

[Godsgifttomankind]

Ok, I see your point. Let me give you a hypothetical situation here. As you say, God supposedly has unconditional love for us. Say he reaches a situation where another planet bearing life is threatened with destruction, yet god is busy attending to us because of his unconditional love and allows the other planet to die. You get my idea?
Another planet would only be faced with destruction because that is in the plan and has a purpose for the inhabitants of that planet. Secondly God is not limited in the ways that you imagine, God knows every event before it happens and the purpose for which it happens.

Those links you posted are interesting, but they do not prove that this so called bio-energy field has anything to do with spirit or god.
As a scientist first you must prove that it exists then you can understand it's character and origins. The links have shown that such a force exists, now it is a matter of coming to understand it.

This force for clarity of understanding I am going to call spirit. This Spirit is an energy force and as such has to receive energy from a main source or primary source in order to expand. That primary source I will call God, in order to create flow between the primary source and the secondary source you need a conduit. That conduit, I will call the Holy Spirit.

Now understanding the Primary, Secondary and conduit there is still the matter of creating movement of the energy. This is done in the same manner as a plant aligns itself with the Sun, thus it is a matter of creating an alignment so that this energy can be transferred. Before I go into too much more detail on alignment, it is important to have an understanding of how to tell if you have transfered this energy or not. It is like looking at the fuel guage to see the level of the tank.

We have a built in guage which is known as the heart or soul, when your heart is full you have a warm feeling come over you and when your heart is empty you feel down and forlorn. Any one that has experience a strong love can tell you what that feeling is like and all of use have experience separation. There many was to reach a temporary state but it quickly dissipates.
We seek continually to reach this state but it always requires more and more effort and yet there are some very simple methods of achieving this alignment. The most obvious is good works and kindness, the most common method though is prayer and meditation.

[evilwill]

Another planet would only be faced with destruction because that is in the plan and has a purpose for the inhabitants of that planet. Secondly God is not limited in the ways that you imagine, God knows every event before it happens and the purpose for which it happens.

How do you know such?


As a scientist first you must prove that it exists then you can understand it's character and origins. The links have shown that such a force exists, now it is a matter of coming to understand it.

This force for clarity of understanding I am going to call spirit. This Spirit is an energy force and as such has to receive energy from a main source or primary source in order to expand. That primary source I will call God, in order to create flow between the primary source and the secondary source you need a conduit. That conduit, I will call the Holy Spirit.

Now understanding the Primary, Secondary and conduit there is still the matter of creating movement of the energy. This is done in the same manner as a plant aligns itself with the Sun, thus it is a matter of creating an alignment so that this energy can be transferred. Before I go into too much more detail on alignment, it is important to have an understanding of how to tell if you have transfered this energy or not. It is like looking at the fuel guage to see the level of the tank.

We have a built in guage which is known as the heart or soul, when your heart is full you have a warm feeling come over you and when your heart is empty you feel down and forlorn. Any one that has experience a strong love can tell you what that feeling is like and all of use have experience separation. There many was to reach a temporary state but it quickly dissipates.
We seek continually to reach this state but it always requires more and more effort and yet there are some very simple methods of achieving this alignment. The most obvious is good works and kindness, the most common method though is prayer and meditation.

That's all well and good as a theory, yet a theory it shall remain. I'm not trying to insult your beliefs, but that is most definitely based on faith, not scientific evidence. I guess it comes down to a matter of opinion here.

[Godsgifttomankind]

How do you know such?
Thank-you for the reply Will and sorry for not answering this sooner,

These things become evident after many years of study and understanding as well as guidance from the Spirit.




That's all well and good as a theory, yet a theory it shall remain. I'm not trying to insult your beliefs, but that is most definitely based on faith, not scientific evidence. I guess it comes down to a matter of opinion here.

What is scientific evidence?

What is a scientist?

What I am speaking about is more than just an opinion, it is proven and understood by millions of people spanning history for millions of years.
The proof is buried in our backyard and we are yet to understand the full ramifications of it.
You can test this if you like I will give you the location where a very ancient civilization, one equivalent to that of ours today is buried and you can take your shovel and go and dig it up or you can do what I am doing and wait for the earth to reveal it in due time.

[evilwill]

Rest assured I do have patience and an open mind. So far my opinions remain the same, but I must admit that I could be wrong. I'll pass on the shovel and wait it out.

Could you elaborate more on this ancient civilisation.


What I am speaking about is more than just an opinion, it is proven and understood by millions of people spanning history for millions of years.

How is it proven? And just because many people believe something, doesn't mean it is true.

[Godsgifttomankind]

How is it proven? And just because many people believe something, doesn't mean it is true.

Things are proven by examining the empirical evidence and coming to the same conclusion that the people before you have.

You are entirely correct when saying that just because people believe something does not make it true but when all the evidence that exists from every field of thought points toward one point of understanding how are you able to challenge such evidence?

[repentantsinner]

In the old Russian folk wisdom of Ivan Denesovich, " How can you expect a man who's cold to understand a man who's warm?"

[lordofthemystic]

The face of God is the face you give him/her/it. You are the creator of.