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Dude12
Apr 26th, 2004, 3:09 PM
Do you think Yellowstone is a terrorist target?

lotrfan55345
Apr 26th, 2004, 3:12 PM
There is too much we dont know about it, and no-one even knows about yellowstone anyways.

Maybe

north3rncommand0
May 1st, 2004, 2:43 PM
Yellowstone might be a terrorist target in the summer when everybody's there, but beyond that, I really can't see any reason why it makes a terrorist target.

lazserus
May 13th, 2004, 3:48 PM
What could terrorists possibly do to Yellowstone?

playmaker88
May 13th, 2004, 6:49 PM
:fencing: I mentioned this previously in a discussion about La Palma being a target. After the cold war ended and the collapse of the former Soviet Union, there were rumours that nuclear materials became available to terrorist organisations on the black market. It is only a matter of time before a terrorist organisation unleashes a weapon of major destructive power.

A big city would be the most likely target, Washington DC or London for instance but if they released one of these things at Yellowstone, they could take the world to the brink in one go.

Some say it would be a waste of time and that a city is a far safer bet but if you hit Yellowstone in peak holiday time, that's an awful lot of people, the security probably isn't quite as tight as the big city and you may just hit the jackpot. These sicko's don't give a flyer about themselves or their families, if they could take it all they'd risk it. An atomic explosion at ground level would create one hell of a crater and maybe stoke up the fire.

playmaker88
May 13th, 2004, 6:51 PM
Despite my misgivings in the former post I still put NO on the poll. I was just stating that it was a possibility. :thumbs:

lotrfan55345
May 13th, 2004, 9:31 PM
I would think they would nuke the oceans (if they were smart enough) near the continental shelf. They could cause a tsunami that way. La Palma is too unsure for their precious nucular weapons.

They could also contaminate the water supply if the cities near them use distillation plants for their water supply.

playmaker88
May 14th, 2004, 6:05 AM
Sorry LOTR, I didn't make myself clear about my reference to the La Palma threat. During that thread someone else suggested that La Palma might be seen as a target but I said that Yellowstone would be a more useful option at high season because of the sheer visitor numbers to the park. If they were successful they could come very close to wiping humans off the planet but even in failure they would take a large number of mainly US citizens with them.

I agree that La Palma would be too much of a risk to waste such a weapon. Although I must admit that the tidal wave caused by La Palma would be a danger mainly to the East coast of the USA and Western Europe.

VegasRonin
May 14th, 2004, 10:48 PM
You guys do know that several atomic weapons have been detonated in the oceans without tidal waves and tsunamis forming, don't ya?

mickydoolittle
May 15th, 2004, 2:32 AM
ronin: sssshhhh! It's funnier to read their funny little theories. :devsmoke:

Defiant Noquisi
May 15th, 2004, 3:53 AM
It does bring a chuckle doesnt it? :lol:

playmaker88
May 15th, 2004, 4:19 AM
Who is talking about a nuke causing a tidal wave?

We're talking about a nuke causing part of the island of La Palma to slip into the ocean, thus causing a tidal wave. It must be so enlightening just drifting around on here taking the piss out of everyones posts.

I wish my life could be as fulfilling as yours. :fencing:

MacRasta
May 15th, 2004, 4:40 AM
Who is talking about a nuke causing a tidal wave?


To answer your question, I quote Lotrfan :


I would think they would nuke the oceans (if they were smart enough) near the continental shelf. They could cause a tsunami that way.

For your info, Playmaker, you posted a msg right after Lotr's msg, did you read that?

Ahem.....Piss Piss Piss Piss

playmaker88
May 15th, 2004, 4:48 AM
Yes and Ronin mentions THEIR funny little theories, implying more than just one person Mac. I am the one talking specifically about tidal waves, the person I am in conversation with is talking about pollution of the ocean as well, so what is your point? :fencing:

MacRasta
May 15th, 2004, 8:12 AM
You want my point?

Ok, my point is that I put some piss in my message for you to take out. That way everybody's happy.

Mac

Ghostrider ESP
May 15th, 2004, 8:49 AM
Does it get this hostile often? Do you boys like to play rough?
The main gist of this discussion seems to involve terrorists and nuclear weapons. Any real reason for this?

playmaker88
May 15th, 2004, 8:52 AM
http://www.fpri.org/enotes/russia.20010427.lee.nuclearsmuggling.html

http://www.nyu.edu/globalbeat/nuclear/FPRI042701.html

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1995_cr/h950130-terror-wmd.htm

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2002/cfr/stories/nukes/

Are just a few links that might help answer your first question. Keep posting. :thumbs:

lotrfan55345
May 15th, 2004, 12:33 PM
Do you boys like to play rough?
The main gist of this discussion seems to involve terrorists and nuclear weapons. Any real reason for this?

Makes people feel "special" inside.


You guys do know that several atomic weapons have been detonated in the oceans without tidal waves and tsunamis forming, don't ya?

Really? Where? How did the people living near it deal with the contaminated waters?

Marajadex
May 15th, 2004, 8:46 PM
I will have to look it up for more specific information. I believe Atomic bombs were set off at atolls. The Bikini Atoll comes to mind. There have been stories about mutated fish and sea life.

Lotr I will let you know if I find anything out more specific. I'm sure there are smarter people than I on this site who can enlighten both of us.

:D

VegasRonin
May 15th, 2004, 8:53 PM
Yes and Ronin mentions THEIR funny little theories, implying more than just one person Mac. Uh playmaker88, you're quoting someone else Buddy. I suggest you go back and reread the posts. I have faith in you, that this is an honest mistake. Don't make a habit out of it. :grin

playmaker88
May 16th, 2004, 2:26 AM
Yeh, you got me, it was Micky who was responding to yours who I was supposed to have quoted. Concentration never was one of my strong points. Apologies to all, time to get off my high-horse, no harm intended. Playmaker will take it easy and stop biting. Good post about the multiple event theory Ronin. :toast:

VegasRonin
May 16th, 2004, 6:27 PM
Apologies to all, time to get off my high-horse, no harm intended. Playmaker will take it easy and stop biting. Good post about the multiple event theory Ronin. I knew you were stand-up type of guy. :thumbs:

MacRasta
May 17th, 2004, 5:08 AM
No need to get off your high horse for me, playmaker, like your links. You're entitled to know why I responded to you in such manner.


I mentioned this previously in a discussion about La Palma being a target. After the cold war ended and the collapse of the former Soviet Union, there were rumours that nuclear materials became available to terrorist organisations on the black market. It is only a matter of time before a terrorist organisation unleashes a weapon of major destructive power.

You should have started a thread like : Nuclear terrorism, what targets?
Is much more interesting than this thread. In my opinion there have been enough threads or posts like this one, so DUDE12, you started it, where are you? What do you think? Why did you start this thread?

Regarding the piss : I'm not a native English speaker, "taking the piss out of someones posts" seems so funny to me, that I couldn't resist putting some piss in it :grin

MR.G
May 17th, 2004, 10:47 AM
During the cold war the THOUSANDS of nukes were detonated. The USA, Britain/Australia, France, Russia and Isreal/S.Africa tested nukes in the ocean, in space, in the lower atmosphere and the stratosphere, in the ground and on the ground. The Soviets considered local populations a good indicator of fallout effects. The USA used mine shafts in some cases, in areas that you'd consider right around the corner today. France repeatedly popped their bombs despite protests and confrontations with people who were forcibly removed from islands for the tests. Other than raising background radiation on the earth to the equivalent of everybody getting one more chest Xray there was very little damage.

One of the nastiest incidents happened when a Japanese fishing fleet didn't believe there was going to be a test and got too close to one test. Just about everybody got burned and they had to dump their fish cuz of contamination. There were a couple of incidents in Alamogordo too where ground tests blew radiation into the air and it blew downwind and dusted some Holloywood types making a "western" in the desert. John Wayne eventually died of cancer which his wife always claimed was from getting dusted during the film making in Nevada.

There has never been a report of ANY kind of Tsunami even when they were trying to make one.

Could a nuke, properly placed and yielding enough energy crack
LaPalma or Yellowstone. WTF knows. It would very likely take a MAJOR drilling operation to get the nuke(s) to the right depth to be able to crack the rock at just the right depth. Is there any area in Yellowstone where a bunch of guys dressed in head scarves and taking breaks 5 times a day and kneeling towards Mecca could drill for a couple of weeks and not be noticed? There are teams of vulcanologists working all the time there and LaPalma. I would imagine somebody would notice something going on and get suspicious. Then again there's dumb luck. Like I said WTF knows.

Overall I'd vote NO on the poll. The incredible energies released during a volcanic eruption make a hydrogen bomb look like a firecracker taped to the side of a 2,000LB bomb. Insignificant!

Marajadex
May 17th, 2004, 7:14 PM
The Discovery Times Channel Has a program:

Stockpile: Nuclear Menace
60 mins.

Martin Sheen narrates this examination of Cold War nuclear-weapons projects in the U.S. and Russia, including nuclear-weapons research labs in Los Alamos, N.M., and Arzamas-16, near Moscow. Part 1 of two. Also: a chronology of events in nuclear-weapons development.

Release Year: 2001

It took a little looking at discovery.com to find the TV listings for the show. Looks like it will be aired several more times. It was pretty interesting and gave alot of information about nuclear testing.

LC Jeffries
May 18th, 2004, 10:44 PM
The show looks interesting. I think the possibility of Yellowstone becoming a target, is about maybe 10% chance. But I think it would be by fire or even a device of some kind at the Resorts around the park. It's way to complicated to activate a volcanic Holocaust. But you never know. :dunno:

Defiant Noquisi
May 19th, 2004, 7:16 AM
The Marshall Islands (including Bikini Atoll)

http://www.rmiembassyus.org/nuclear/chronology.html

Australia (including Christmas Island)

http://www.sea-us.org.au/thunder/britsbombingus.html

Links to all tests including effects of testing

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/

stewey
Oct 6th, 2004, 9:29 AM
During the cold war the THOUSANDS of nukes were detonated. The USA, Britain/Australia, France, Russia and Isreal/S.Africa tested nukes in the ocean, in space, in the lower atmosphere and the stratosphere, in the ground and on the ground. The Soviets considered local populations a good indicator of fallout effects. The USA used mine shafts in some cases, in areas that you'd consider right around the corner today. France repeatedly popped their bombs despite protests and confrontations with people who were forcibly removed from islands for the tests. Other than raising background radiation on the earth to the equivalent of everybody getting one more chest Xray there was very little damage.

One of the nastiest incidents happened when a Japanese fishing fleet didn't believe there was going to be a test and got too close to one test. Just about everybody got burned and they had to dump their fish cuz of contamination. There were a couple of incidents in Alamogordo too where ground tests blew radiation into the air and it blew downwind and dusted some Holloywood types making a "western" in the desert. John Wayne eventually died of cancer which his wife always claimed was from getting dusted during the film making in Nevada.

There has never been a report of ANY kind of Tsunami even when they were trying to make one.

Could a nuke, properly placed and yielding enough energy crack
LaPalma or Yellowstone. WTF knows. It would very likely take a MAJOR drilling operation to get the nuke(s) to the right depth to be able to crack the rock at just the right depth. Is there any area in Yellowstone where a bunch of guys dressed in head scarves and taking breaks 5 times a day and kneeling towards Mecca could drill for a couple of weeks and not be noticed? There are teams of vulcanologists working all the time there and LaPalma. I would imagine somebody would notice something going on and get suspicious. Then again there's dumb luck. Like I said WTF knows.

Overall I'd vote NO on the poll. The incredible energies released during a volcanic eruption make a hydrogen bomb look like a firecracker taped to the side of a 2,000LB bomb. Insignificant!

Amen. You hit the nail on the head 100% :2thumbs:

If terrorists have/get a nuke (big if), they would not waste it on a 1 in a trillion chance of Yellowstone or La Palma, when they could just detonate it in a city and have a lot better odds.

Onikiri
Oct 8th, 2004, 12:32 PM
Do you think Yellowstone is a terrorist target?

If they could possibly cause it to erupt it might do the world some good. I'm probly wrong but a man made eruption might release a lot of pressure and magma that would ooze out like volcanos in Hawaii. It would lay waste to Yellowstone but a small sacrfice. If this is what would happen I hope they carpet bomb the whole damn thing. I'd rather have Wyoming fucked over than have the rest of the world. The US would be like Africa with money if it were to explode on its own.

Hvyarms
Nov 16th, 2004, 6:14 PM
Look... these natural objects mixed in with terrorism simply isn't logical.

If a terrorist had a nuke... he would hit what would have the greatest effect on us for SURE.

They would bomb one of a few places... The center of NYC where the stock market and our main commerce is, The center computing offices for the major credit card or banking companies, Main power grids or electricity centers, or highly dense cities.

All of these above area's would cause devistating damage not only within where the nuke hit but all over the country.

Hit NYC / stock market and our whole economy gets screwed fast.

Hit the credit card computer servers and again our whole economy gets screwed, mass riots and looting due to no cash... etc.

Kill our power and were really screwed...

And hit a dense city and massive panic all over the place.


If a terrorist "Nukes" anything for that matter we will retaliate and cause nuclear winter.. definately.

No terrorist in their right mind would "play the odds" with a natural phenominon when they could hit a for sure target and cause the devistating damage they want too.

Ports, infrastructure... etc.

RedsoxYankee
Nov 20th, 2004, 7:43 PM
Do the world some good? I take it you don't care for the U.S. very much...
If they could possibly cause it to erupt it might do the world some good. I'm probly wrong but a man made eruption might release a lot of pressure and magma that would ooze out like volcanos in Hawaii. It would lay waste to Yellowstone but a small sacrfice. If this is what would happen I hope they carpet bomb the whole damn thing. I'd rather have Wyoming fucked over than have the rest of the world. The US would be like Africa with money if it were to explode on its own.

Doomer
Nov 23rd, 2004, 6:23 AM
If they could possibly cause it to erupt it might do the world some good. I'm probly wrong but a man made eruption might release a lot of pressure and magma that would ooze out like volcanos in Hawaii. It would lay waste to Yellowstone but a small sacrfice. If this is what would happen I hope they carpet bomb the whole damn thing. I'd rather have Wyoming fucked over than have the rest of the world. The US would be like Africa with money if it were to explode on its own.

Are you really this stupid ? Is anybody ?

TripBreaker
Dec 12th, 2004, 9:50 PM
Just something I've been wondering about. It would probably take a hell of an explosion to pull it off but hey, we're humans and we would find a way. And there I go giving some well funded nuclear terrorist a great idea. Merry Christmas y'all.

:band: :jamn:

Bigsky770
Dec 13th, 2004, 7:26 AM
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bass
Dec 16th, 2004, 1:34 PM
Hawaii and Yellowstone are totally different beasts. Hawaii is composed of mafic magma, mantle derived, with low viscosities. So it oozes. Yellowstone is at the other end of the spectrum, siliicic magma, very high viscosity and full of accumulated volatiles. So it explodes. Once you release pressure on such a system, you actually accelerate the explosive eruption. Pressure release allows the volatile components to "flash" into gases, which in turn increases pressure in the system leading to more explosive eruptions, which in turn releases pressure, allowing more volatiles to flash into gases, etc. until the whole system finally runs it course. This thing has been brewing for 640,000 years- and is probably pretty well primed at this point. Sort of like violently shaking a can of beer, then trying to open it to let off a little pressure.

Once you open the lamp, it's tough to get the genie back inside.


If they could possibly cause it to erupt it might do the world some good. I'm probly wrong but a man made eruption might release a lot of pressure and magma that would ooze out like volcanos in Hawaii. It would lay waste to Yellowstone but a small sacrfice. If this is what would happen I hope they carpet bomb the whole damn thing. I'd rather have Wyoming fucked over than have the rest of the world. The US would be like Africa with money if it were to explode on its own.

DmoneyCustoms
Jan 6th, 2005, 3:22 PM
Well, Lets see you really want my opinion on this no no no...... but if they would go out of their way to go an cause yellowstone to erupt with massive explosions they wouldnt only hurt this country but they would destroy the earth if it would actualllly be a target but that is something i just cant see happing if it is to go i would say the blame will be nature.....No terrorist would be that stupid at least if they where to do it and i do stress the word ifffffff i dont think they would be happy with their results. ok thats it im out lataz ppl :alcoholic :drool: :alcoholic

RiNkY
Jan 18th, 2005, 1:54 PM
If terrorists were to get hold of a significant amount of Radioactive material, it would be alot easier for them to make a Dirty Bomb, which would still kill thousands of people, but not actually cause as much destruction as a Nuke. I'm sure you are all familiar with Dirty Bombs (http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/fact-sheets/dirty-bombs.html)

If the terrorists don't already have some type of Nuclear device, it's only a matter of time before North Korea or Iran sell them one. Having previously lived in the UK, I can see how easily it would be to smuggle one into England through the Channel Tunnel, or on a Ferry from France. So I fear for my family and friends living in the UK, more than I would fear for the US Mainland. Hell, England is just a 4 or 5 day drive from Iran, with very lax border security for road travel.

Erin
Jan 23rd, 2005, 2:00 PM
Is anyone ever going to post something resembling a concrete theory about how any sized explosion would actually cause a caldera wide eruption? It seems that the protagonists of this 'theory' have no sense but to propogate other people's ideas without any idea whether what they're actually saying. I'm not even going to touch on politically moticated portrayal of terrorism or the nonsense that is the effectiveness of dirty bombs, but I hope you can see that without any kind of idea of the actual probability or method of inducing a cataclysimic eruption using a-bombs then you're showing yourselves to be fools of a spectacular degree. I'm sure someone's going to get annoyed by this but if there's anything I hate it's stubborn idiocy. Why don't you stop worrying about the impossible and start worrying about who's really pulling the strings in the White House?

MacRasta
Jan 23rd, 2005, 3:41 PM
I hate it's stubborn idiocy. Why don't you stop worrying about the impossible and start worrying about who's really pulling the strings in the White House?

There are threads for that and idiots deserve a place on the net too.

Mac

Doomer
Feb 26th, 2005, 2:59 PM
idiots deserve a place on the net too.

Mac

I agree but they should be segregated from the rest of us. :headbang:

THE_CONSPIRACIST
Mar 14th, 2005, 4:38 PM
Terrorists will not strike Yellowstone because for them it is not a legitimate target. only a banking center, or something that will collapse the economy of the aggressive USA ( provocating terrorists to carry out the attacks they do by being oppressive and to restore NWO and to establish control for the Global Elite over the world markets to prepare for the coming of The Anti_Christ by supporting the Terrorist state of Israel) The terrorist aims if thought deeply are not to cause major death but to retaliate for Americas policies in Israel and to do that is not to cause death but to bring America to its knees on one thing and one thing only.......THEIR ECONOMY.