Could N. Berg's execution be fake?

[humanhybrid]

Given the incomprehensible jungle of information, the very first question, when viewing this video of an American civilian, N. Berg"s execution, should be whether it is even true? WHAT DO YOU THINK? reference to PRAVDA.Ru http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/101/397/12790_Berg.html

[MetalMilitia]

Moved to conspiracy theories,

To me it looks like the murder was NOT faked, but I still have unanswered questions about what he was doing in Iraq, unemployed... and why there are so many conflicting stories surrounding the event.

Edit: I am also critical of the TIMING of the release of this video. The US was getting SO much heat from the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandel, it just works out so well in our governments favor.

-MM- :crs:

[MetalMilitia]

CIA/ Pentagon Psyops:Nick Berg Killed by Americans
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=94&contentid=1237

Berg Had Koran, 'Anti-Semitic' Book
Was he a spy? Was he double crossed?
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/14/95211.shtml

Was Berg in US Custody? Conflicting stories...
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/14/iraq.berg/index.html

FBI investigated man's contacts in Oklahoma
http://www.tulsaworld.com/BreakingNewsStory.asp?ID=040514_Br_berg

-MM- :crs:

[Defiant Noquisi]

The first thing I thought was how crappy the video was and how interesting it was that during the "worst" moments, it was severely distorted.

[lotrfan55345]

There is also the same chair leash gal & boyfreind sat in was the same chair Nick Berg sat in the video. Same looks, same color, same dimentions, what a coincidence.

[MetalMilitia]

I think theres something about that in my first link.... but those chairs are used everywhere....

Or are they!?!

Dun Dun Dun (haha)

-MM- :crs:

[prezhorusin04]

It's probably also used as a way to justify the American on Iraqi torture, and to refuel hate of the 'insurgence"

Here is an interesting voice from David Icke, though it relates to the american torture stories..

By David Icke


We are watching the daily unfolding of Alice in Wonderland. Hold that thought when you watch the TV news. What is, isn't and what isn't, is.

The violence in Iraq may be bad for America, but it serves the Illuminati perfectly by justifying the continued, and indeed expanded, presence of US troops in the Middle East in line with their long-planned agenda for global control.

In the same way, the global condemnation of the torture and abuse of Iraqi prisoners is bad for America, but perfect for the Illuminati that controls the U.S. administrations.

But why?

The United States may be the world superpower today and that's precisely what the Illuminati planned for it to be in the agenda for the centralisation of global control - the planetary Orwellian state of world government, world army, world central bank and a microchipped population under constant survellience.

But while America is being used now as the vehicle to impose this current stage of the fascist agenda it is not meant to continue as the superpower.

In fact, destroying that status and breaking the spirit of America is fundamental in the installation of the Illuminati global dictatorship.

The reason is this: a world government (dictatorship) and a superpower do not go together. The Illuminati dictatorship is meant to be the only superpower and for that to happen the United States must be brought into line.

The greatest block to the world government is national identity and whether we may not agree with America's sense of itself there is no question that it has a deep rooted, almost genetic, sense of indentity and national pride. While that continues there is no way the nation will allow itself to be openly dictated to and controlled by a world central government.

Americans and their country are being used to advance the agenda now, but the plan is, not least through a manipulated conflict with China, to destroy the might of both these 'superpowers' so they come under the authority of the Illuminati world government that would be installed to 'clear up the mess' left by the consequences of the conflicts and conquests now underway.

In other words: Problem-Reaction-Solution.

The plan is to use America and in doing so to break America, economically, politically and militarily. Most importantly it wants to break the American spirit and its sense of identity and self.

So the exposure of the US torture and abuse of Iraqi prisoners serves the Illuminati in many ways, two in particular:

(a) It further stimulates outrage in the Arab world about the United States and, as I wrote years ago, the plan is to engineer a Muslim 'Holy War' against the US to 'justify' the use of their fire power to set the Middle East ablaze and take over the region.

(b) It eats away at America's, albiet false, sense of idenity as the John Wayne good guys who sacrifice themselves for freedom and justice across the world. Americans torture people? That can't be right, it's those evil foreigners that do that, isn't it? The 'revelation' that the United States 'support our troops with pride' military could commit such abominations is a massive blow to America's self confidence and sense of national idenity - exactly as planned.

Nothing is what it seems and while we may appear to be seeing the expansion and grotesque expression of American might and power we are actually watching that power and sense of nationhood being systematically destroyed.

Don't miss the LOS ANGELES and NEW YORK events! You do have the power to make a difference!

[MetalMilitia]

One of the better looks at the Berg situation...

http://marc.perkel.com/archives/000233.html

-MM- :crs:

[lotrfan55345]

THats what I thought too, what was he doing in an orange jumpsuit...

[MetalMilitia]

http://www.rense.com/general52/anom.htm

http://home.att.net/~professorboris/SPECTRE/Nick_berg.htm

So many questions...................


Then there is the business of the leg......

lies on lies and mysteries, within questions,

tied up in myth and conundrum.........


http://feralnews.com/issues/israeli_espionage/bwod_86-9.html

-MM- :crs:

[VegasRonin]

They probably put him in an orange jumpsuite to simulate the Guantanamo detainees. I believe the execution is real.

[humanhybrid]

They probably put him in an orange jumpsuite to simulate the Guantanamo detainees. I believe the execution is real.
Moved to conspiracy theories, just joking ok? Its great that we all have the opportunity here to critically think. :blush:

[lotrfan55345]

http://www.jackblood.com/index/id1.html

Video was uploaded from London, England. Not anywhere near the ME.

[lazserus]

You people disgust me. You practically lose your pants when Iraqi soldiers are filmed in the nude but when an American citizen is brutally beheaded you call it fake. Why don't you people just pack your bags and move to Iraq? We'll see how long you live.

Oh, and Berg wasn't an unemployed civilian. According to my intel, he was a contractor for the CIA.

[MetalMilitia]

Moved to conspiracy theories, just joking ok? Its great that we all have the opportunity here to critically think.

For those that don't accept the given story, it has to be moved...

The following is not my work, but an in-depth look at the video from http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_international&Number=1471708&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=1

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I have just conducted a thorough frame by frame analysis of the Nick Berg footage. I've paid particular attention to the editing.

I've included here a breakdown, shot by shot. I've tried to remain totally objective thoughout, and limit my analysis to the evidence we can see, and others can hopefully corroborate. My apologies for the messy layout.

For the sake of this discussion, I'll name the captors from 1 to 5

John Doe1
John Doe2
John Doe3 (reading the script)
John Doe4
John Doe5

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Video Breakdown
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Shot A video time 13:26:24 to 13:26:27 synced audio
Nick sitting in a chair giving his details

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Shot B video time 02:18:33 to 02:18:43 synced audio
Nick sitting in chair, giving his details, different angle

This is NOT a second angle on the first shot. Nick has clearly moved in between these two shots, as illustrated by the change in his voice tone while reciting his details, and the change in the pattern of folds and clothing position under his harms and on his chest. This clearly shows a careful edit has been made, and we cannot know how long apart these two shots were taken. It also shows that the editor as at least some basic editing skills.

we also hear a door squeek at 2:18:41

we see the reflection of a horizontal light in the top left of screen.

questions :-
Why did they shoot the scene twice?
Was nicks "performance" not up to scratch?
Why did they go to such lengths to make it look like it was shot at the same time?
Did they get him to replicate his hand position is that just coincidence?

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Shot C video time 02:40:33 to 02:44:37 (audio 5-10 seconds ahead (see below))

Nick is definitely alive and conscious though-out this section. He occasionally shrugs, as if he is aware of an impending issue regarding his neck. He sits tense for a moment, then forces has shoulders back down. He does remain very still.

In this shot, the audio is 5-6 seconds in front of the picture. The fact the this audio is out of sync while the first section is IN sync show that the slipped audio is part of the original master, and not due to later encoding/decoding issues of the whole video.

How far out of sync? The person reading the speech coughs audibly at video time 02:42:33. We see him raise his hand at 2:42:38. So the audio appears to be 5 seconds ahead of the picture..

however...
We hear a thump, which sounds like Nick hitting the ground, at 02:44:02, and then we see him hit the ground at 02:44:11. thats 10 seconds ahead, without any visible cut in the video. Therefore an audio edit has taken place, with five seconds of audio removed sometime before the thump.

Also The screaming also doesn't start unit a couple of seconds after the thump. Visually this shot also lasts about 2 seconds after nick hits the ground. As he hits the ground the JohnDoe3 raises his knife, but we do not see him actually cutting with it. We also don't see any panic reaction from him or hear a noise, even taking into account any slippage of the audio.

Some subjective observations.
JohnDoe2 is starting straight at camera. 4 and 5 though look nervous, and don't know what to do with their hands.
JohnDoe4 in particular seems to nervously fiddle with his mask, often just after JohnDoe3 has shuffled his papers, I've had trouble following these paper moves, but they don't seem to coincided with the speech. None of them show the same body languages as other Iraqi kidnappers we've seen?

Questions:
Why leave the audio out of sync when the editor is clearly perfectly competent?
What was the 5 seconds of audio they removed?
Why did the cameraman cut away from this shot just before Nick is actually attacked?
Why didn't Nick react or even make a noise has he was thrown to the ground?

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Shot D video time 13:45:47 to 13:45:52 inconclusive audio

We now zoom in very close. the video is shaky and blurred. It is impossible to tell if nick is alive or dead at this point.

Between shots D and E, we seem to get a period of accelerated time, where the video clock jumps forward to 13:45:59,. However we also see an intermediate frame or two, giving as a glimpse of 13:45:57. this appears to be intended to give continuity while removing around 3 seconds.

questions:

Why zoom in like that? is that the best footage they had (given they were supposed to have 2 cameras)?
Why are we having seconds edited out, and yet returning to the same shot?

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Shot E video time 13:45:59 to 13:46:32

There is a slight jump cut with about half a second missing at 13:46:27, as shown by the video clock and the jump in JohnDoe3's arm position. At the end of this shot we JohnDoe3 lift the knife away slightly and lay the head down, as if he's given up trying to get it off.

Questions:
Why the edit?

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Shot F 13:47:46 13:47:52

Having just jumped about 80 seconds of video time, the head is removed from the body and raised in the air. However it isn't JohnDoe3 who is hold the head and knife, it's JohnDoe2 ! MINUS HIS BOMB VEST!!! (unless it's JohnDoe3 and he's switched masks!!!)

Questions

Why has JohnDoe2 removed his bomb vest????!!!!
Why is he now the the one to hold up the head?
Where as JohnDoe3 gone?
Why would JohnDoe3, as a terrorist leader, humiliate himself in front of thew others by appearing incapable of removing the head?

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Shot G 2:46:18 to 2:46:22

Back to the other camera/different time. another shot of the head being held up.

This appears to have been shot at the same time as Shot F, but for reasons discussed earlier, we can't be sure of this.

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Shot H 13:48:29 to 13:48:49 lots of missed frames here, about 5-10 seconds worth.
END

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Other observations.

it's widely assumed that two cameras were used, because of the difference in the video clocks.

If this is the case, both were set up exactly the same in terms of white point and aperture. Both exhibit the same edge of frame artifacts (dark pixels where the images doesn't make it to the end of the frame) Both may also be of the same model given the similarity of time clocks and image.

The two clocks are roughly 11 hours and 8 minutes apart at the start of the film. The exact difference is impossible to judge since shots A and B were NOT shot at the same moment in time. (see above)

At the end, they are roughly 11 hours and 2 minutes apart, although again it is hard to tell.

the camera with timings around 2:40 appears to be on a tripod at all times.

It is impossible to tell if there were two cameras or not. It seems likely, but we cannot be conclusive one way or the other.

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http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_international&Number=1471708&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=1

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[Rusti]

http://www.infowars.com/print/Secret_societies/worldleaders.htm

Go here, a lot of stuff about the Berg conspiracy as well as others.

[Red Shift]

If it is fake which i think it is who faked it? Americans, Iraqs, English or some group who want to start a huge war bigger than it is?

By the way im not pointing fingers!

[MetalMilitia]

It is a sad thing, deeply deeply sad, for a young man to have his head cut off for the sake of someone else's politics. Anyone who could look at these pictures and videos without feeling profound revulsion must have a few cards missing from their deck.

So it takes a certain amount of fortitude to take a really good look at these nasty images to get to the many anomalies in the first place, but that is the task of a detective isn't it? Unfortunately, in today's news environment, every one of us who wish to be responsible citizens must also become a detective.

Because of the prevailing culture of lies, deceit and treachery, everyone of us with an active mind must continually examine and question everything put before us by the mass media. Still, the strain is difficult for a sensitive mind to bear. To every parent, every child, every person who has lost a son, a brother, a daughter a mom or a dad, a grandparent, on any side in the terror wars of the past few years, my heart goes out to you.

It would be nice if we could just point to one person and say "hey, he did it all." But we can't. Yes there are certain persons who have done much to bring about this situation. The international bankers for instance, are greatly to blame. So are their puppets in Washington and Tel Aviv. But the bankers only have money because you and I continue to pay our mortgages and rents every month.

Because we shop at the super stores where they buy and sell, because we own stock in the system.
It would be nice if we could just find the right scapegoat to blame for all this mayhem wouldn't it? If we could pin a list of crimes onto the neck of some hapless village idiot from Texas who has a hard time getting the lid off his beer bottle, and who has been known to choke on a pretzel. And he is greatly at fault for thinking he can tell the players without a program. But in the long run, he is just a patsy too, another dummy with someone pulling his strings, who has never had to do a days honest work in his life, and wouldn't know one if it bit him on the ass.

How many gallons of gas did you put in your car or truck this week my friend? All are guilty. Some more, some less, but the way the war works is that hundreds of thousands of young men and women join up with the army, and then they practice shooting deadly weapons, and they abandon their own better judgments, and then they go and murder people on orders because they have lost all their self possession. And they have all those weapons because some other folks went to college for years to learn how to invent them. And yet more folks worked for decades in arms factories building these infernal machines, even though laws in every state of the union forbid the making of infernal machines. But if some nebulous bunch of criminals get together and call themselves the US Govt. then all of a sudden what is criminal behavior for you or me, is high virtue with holy water on it for them.

This is the same Govt. that holds an indefinite prison term over your heads if you fail to pay into their protection racket kitty. Hello? Yes, they steal the portion of your pay that the landlords (agents, along with the real-estate racketeers, of the Banks.) don't take. If a robber comes up to you and takes your pay from your pocket at gunpoint on the street, you can call a cop. If your landlord decides he wants a new Mercedes, and bumps your rent up again this month, and you live in a town with 0 to 1% vacancies, just you try to call a cop. Hell, when the cops do show up it will just be to evict you. That is part and parcel of what I mean by the evil being spread around fairly everywhere.
So why is everyone so surprised that the Berg beheading tape is so obviously flawed? Joe six-pack, that famous American cartoon character who none the less makes up almost half the electorate, will swallow it whole without even giving it the usual catfish mouthing first. So it works for him you see.

He is going to be enjoying watching this video. It is must see TV, for him it is just an extension of what passes for reality. Jill six-pack right there by his side, voted for Bush in 2000, and loves Jesus and looks forward to the second coming again tonight if you follow me. So for them, what we see as defects, are just the stamp of honest amateurs at work blowing off a little more steam. They don't care who did it, any more than the good citizens of the prairie cared who the Indians were they shot and raped and butchered at the Little Washita back in the late 19th century.

But you and I have a different view of things, because we are more humane in our hopes, and more aware in our fears.

* We see the orange jumpsuit

* We see the yellow Abu Graib prison walls

* We see the government issue white plastic chair

* We see the miss-match between the face and the build of the man in the video and Bergs family's snap shots of their missing son.

* We see the men in black, fat and lazy, well-fed and insolent,

* We see the one on the far left standing at military parade rest.

* We see that this is a tape made with at least two cameras, one on standard time, one on the 24 hour clock.

* We see the light tone of the skin of the hands of some of the men.

* We see the wedding ring on the left hand, the sinister hand, the hand that Islam reserves for toilet functions.
* We notice the voices in the background not sounding like Arabs.

* We have read of the death last year of the man being blamed for doing this foul deed.

Yes, my friends, we are not so foolish as to swallow these lies whole.

* We are aware that once you have someone's voiceprint, you can digitize it, and run it through a voice generating software program, and put any words into their mouths you want.

* We have heard native speakers of Arabic tell us that the voice on the tape does not have the accent they would expect from the man who is being blamed.

* We have read of the weird association of Mr. Berg with those the Govt. has named as being part of the 911 hijack plot. Hijack plot? Hello? Well ,you and I both know that is a whole other can of worms there, isn't it now?

But no one seems to have caught on that all these discrepancies - and more - that are in this video are there for a reason. They want you to know who did it. They, yes that THEY, the same old THEM as always. Bob Dylan said it long ago, "...the executioners face is always well hidden..." But THEY are more than willing to tip their hand to us today, because they don't care if we know, and they want us to know that they don't care. They are as much as telling everyone with a brain in their head, "Hey you with a brain in your head, watch this!" They are really saying "Get out the way you summer patriots, we can do you as easy as we can do this Berg dude!"

Feeling a little chilly around here? Still got the guts to join me in my protests? They can only keep thumbing their noses at ya if you let 'em.

So, if you were disgusted by the this video like I was, but still had the integrity to look into the details of it, then you ought to be bright enough to get the subtext of the intent of those loose ends.


Link: http://rense.com/general53/delib.htm

[Red Shift]

Ok time for a dumb momment here by Red Shift, but who does he mean by they? The America Government?

Also i think we have to do something about this!

If it is fake!

[Defiant Noquisi]

You people disgust me. You practically lose your pants when Iraqi soldiers are filmed in the nude but when an American citizen is brutally beheaded you call it fake. Why don't you people just pack your bags and move to Iraq? We'll see how long you live.Shall I fill in the rest of my post that I left out purposely? Apparently I have a few cards missing as I was not in the least bit disgusted by it.

Another thought ran through my head...this has been done before, by many more. None are innocent.

It did not disgust me to watch real life in progress. What is disgusting to me is that people are shocked and dismayed by what happens DAILY. WHY should we be anymore upset by this than by your neighbor slitting his spouses throat? Why should we be anymore disgusted by this than a woman getting raped, trying to scream and the perp slitting her throat to silence her? Why should it be anymore upsetting than a jealous ex boy/girl freind taking revenge? Should this be more upsetting than children being abducted, raped or at the very least sexually assaulted then cut up and buried? WHY is it that these victims are barely heard about and its happening right in our own neighborhoods?

What about those two men in CA (what, about 10 years ago?) who were capturing and imprisoning women, forcing them to become sex slaves INCLUDING letting them loose in the woods so that their dogs could hunt them down and VIDEOTAPING the rape and torture! Then they chopped their bodies up into little pieces and scattered the remains.

What happened to Berg is more disgusting, more disturbing, more ENLIGHTENING because NOW, ALLEGEDLY we have someone else besides OURSELVES to blame!

Yeah! See how EASY it is to blame others! Its happening in another country! It doesnt happen in Amerikkka!! :bs: :mad:

Screw ANY OF YOU and the ships your ancestors came here on if you even think for one millisecond that the Amerikkkan government and any of its military is innocent of bloody atrocities let alone its own people!!! :nono:

How easy it is for the citizenry at large to point fingers at a foreign country while conveniently ignoring what happens in their own backyards!

If this country is supposedly a country of higher morals and standards THEN ACT LIKE IT starting with what happens at home!

[lotrfan55345]

Some "non conspiracy" sited that have this topic adressed.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FE22Ak03.html

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Dutch/German people translate.

http://indymedia.nl/nl/2004/05/18942.shtml

http://www.indymedia.be/news/2004/05/84664.php

[midnightsonblaze]

It did not disgust me to watch real life in progress. What is disgusting to me is that people are shocked and dismayed by what happens DAILY. WHY should we be anymore upset by this than by your neighbor slitting his spouses throat? Why should we be anymore disgusted by this than a woman getting raped, trying to scream and the perp slitting her throat to silence her? Why should it be anymore upsetting than a jealous ex boy/girl freind taking revenge? Should this be more upsetting than children being abducted, raped or at the very least sexually assaulted then cut up and buried? WHY is it that these victims are barely heard about and its happening right in our own neighborhoods?

What about those two men in CA (what, about 10 years ago?) who were capturing and imprisoning women, forcing them to become sex slaves INCLUDING letting them loose in the woods so that their dogs could hunt them down and VIDEOTAPING the rape and torture! Then they chopped their bodies up into little pieces and scattered the remains.

What happened to Berg is more disgusting, more disturbing, more ENLIGHTENING because NOW, ALLEGEDLY we have someone else besides OURSELVES to blame!


Totally agree with DN.....this happens every day, in every country, every minute. The only reason it is 'big' in the news is because the War in Iraq...other than that it would be a little side story in the newspaper......

Wanna see....stuff like this does happens every day......watch Banned in America, Faces of Death or even Traces of Death

[Maleko]

Hear hear DN!
:toast:

[MetalMilitia]

Filmmaker Michael Moore filmed an interview with American Nicholas Berg in the course of producing his documentary film "Fahrenheit 9/11," before Berg was taken hostage and killed in Iraq, Moore confirmed to Salon in a statement Thursday. The 20 minutes of footage does not appear in the final version of "Fahrenheit 911," according to the statement.

Word of the footage reached Salon through a source unaffiliated with Moore, or his film, "Fahrenheit 9/11," which is reported to feature stark images of U.S. civilians and soldiers grappling with conditions in war-torn Iraq, as well as examining the relationship between President George W. Bush and the bin Laden family. It received the Palme d'Or, the Cannes Film Festival's highest honor, on Saturday.

http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2004/05/27/fahrenheit_911/index_np.html

Another coincidence? Berg seemed to be getting into a lot of interesting places, more than simple chance would allow for.... don'tcha think?

-MM- :crs:

[mickydoolittle]

Screw ANY OF YOU and the ships your ancestors came here on if you even think for one millisecond that the Amerikkkan government and any of its military is innocent of bloody atrocities let alone its own people!!! :nono:

Well then, I guess I'm getting screwed. :vbroll:

Ahhh, DN . . . what happened to your ancestors was done by some of my ancestors long, long, long ago. Now then, the key word here is: ancestors.

As such, the policies towards the indegenious ppl's of N. AMERICA havve been altered in a major way. Those who perpetratedthe crimes of humanity against your ancestors are dead and gone. Those who would behave that way today would never be alowed to retain such a position after being outed for said behavior.

Yes, AMERICA did indeed have some disgracing moments, but . . . the AMERICA of today is leaps and bounds beyond the AMERICA of then. Leaps and bounds beyond in every imaginable way--especially in the ways that count most: respecting humanity.

You all know I'm right inspite of the actions of a few bad apples who may or may not have done as is being alleged.

Besides, it wasn't the military that commited the actions against your ancestors--it was the cavalry, which was much like the government supported rebel troops of most third world countries (errm, excuse me--Rogue Nations) today.

[LC Jeffries]

It is a sad thing, deeply deeply sad, for a young man to have his head cut off for the sake of someone else's politics. Anyone who could look at these pictures and videos without feeling profound revulsion must have a few cards missing from their deck.

So it takes a certain amount of fortitude to take a really good look at these nasty images to get to the many anomalies in the first place, but that is the task of a detective isn't it? Unfortunately, in today's news environment, every one of us who wish to be responsible citizens must also become a detective.

Because of the prevailing culture of lies, deceit and treachery, everyone of us with an active mind must continually examine and question everything put before us by the mass media. Still, the strain is difficult for a sensitive mind to bear. To every parent, every child, every person who has lost a son, a brother, a daughter a mom or a dad, a grandparent, on any side in the terror wars of the past few years, my heart goes out to you.

It would be nice if we could just point to one person and say "hey, he did it all." But we can't. Yes there are certain persons who have done much to bring about this situation. The international bankers for instance, are greatly to blame. So are their puppets in Washington and Tel Aviv. But the bankers only have money because you and I continue to pay our mortgages and rents every month.

Because we shop at the super stores where they buy and sell, because we own stock in the system.
It would be nice if we could just find the right scapegoat to blame for all this mayhem wouldn't it? If we could pin a list of crimes onto the neck of some hapless village idiot from Texas who has a hard time getting the lid off his beer bottle, and who has been known to choke on a pretzel. And he is greatly at fault for thinking he can tell the players without a program. But in the long run, he is just a patsy too, another dummy with someone pulling his strings, who has never had to do a days honest work in his life, and wouldn't know one if it bit him on the ass.

How many gallons of gas did you put in your car or truck this week my friend? All are guilty. Some more, some less, but the way the war works is that hundreds of thousands of young men and women join up with the army, and then they practice shooting deadly weapons, and they abandon their own better judgments, and then they go and murder people on orders because they have lost all their self possession. And they have all those weapons because some other folks went to college for years to learn how to invent them. And yet more folks worked for decades in arms factories building these infernal machines, even though laws in every state of the union forbid the making of infernal machines. But if some nebulous bunch of criminals get together and call themselves the US Govt. then all of a sudden what is criminal behavior for you or me, is high virtue with holy water on it for them.

This is the same Govt. that holds an indefinite prison term over your heads if you fail to pay into their protection racket kitty. Hello? Yes, they steal the portion of your pay that the landlords (agents, along with the real-estate racketeers, of the Banks.) don't take. If a robber comes up to you and takes your pay from your pocket at gunpoint on the street, you can call a cop. If your landlord decides he wants a new Mercedes, and bumps your rent up again this month, and you live in a town with 0 to 1% vacancies, just you try to call a cop. Hell, when the cops do show up it will just be to evict you. That is part and parcel of what I mean by the evil being spread around fairly everywhere.
So why is everyone so surprised that the Berg beheading tape is so obviously flawed? Joe six-pack, that famous American cartoon character who none the less makes up almost half the electorate, will swallow it whole without even giving it the usual catfish mouthing first. So it works for him you see.

He is going to be enjoying watching this video. It is must see TV, for him it is just an extension of what passes for reality. Jill six-pack right there by his side, voted for Bush in 2000, and loves Jesus and looks forward to the second coming again tonight if you follow me. So for them, what we see as defects, are just the stamp of honest amateurs at work blowing off a little more steam. They don't care who did it, any more than the good citizens of the prairie cared who the Indians were they shot and raped and butchered at the Little Washita back in the late 19th century.

But you and I have a different view of things, because we are more humane in our hopes, and more aware in our fears.

* We see the orange jumpsuit

* We see the yellow Abu Graib prison walls

* We see the government issue white plastic chair

* We see the miss-match between the face and the build of the man in the video and Bergs family's snap shots of their missing son.

* We see the men in black, fat and lazy, well-fed and insolent,

* We see the one on the far left standing at military parade rest.

* We see that this is a tape made with at least two cameras, one on standard time, one on the 24 hour clock.

* We see the light tone of the skin of the hands of some of the men.

* We see the wedding ring on the left hand, the sinister hand, the hand that Islam reserves for toilet functions.
* We notice the voices in the background not sounding like Arabs.

* We have read of the death last year of the man being blamed for doing this foul deed.

Yes, my friends, we are not so foolish as to swallow these lies whole.

* We are aware that once you have someone's voiceprint, you can digitize it, and run it through a voice generating software program, and put any words into their mouths you want.

* We have heard native speakers of Arabic tell us that the voice on the tape does not have the accent they would expect from the man who is being blamed.

* We have read of the weird association of Mr. Berg with those the Govt. has named as being part of the 911 hijack plot. Hijack plot? Hello? Well ,you and I both know that is a whole other can of worms there, isn't it now?

But no one seems to have caught on that all these discrepancies - and more - that are in this video are there for a reason. They want you to know who did it. They, yes that THEY, the same old THEM as always. Bob Dylan said it long ago, "...the executioners face is always well hidden..." But THEY are more than willing to tip their hand to us today, because they don't care if we know, and they want us to know that they don't care. They are as much as telling everyone with a brain in their head, "Hey you with a brain in your head, watch this!" They are really saying "Get out the way you summer patriots, we can do you as easy as we can do this Berg dude!"

Feeling a little chilly around here? Still got the guts to join me in my protests? They can only keep thumbing their noses at ya if you let 'em.

So, if you were disgusted by the this video like I was, but still had the integrity to look into the details of it, then you ought to be bright enough to get the subtext of the intent of those loose ends.


Link: http://rense.com/general53/delib.htm

Metal Boy this is a very chilling study. I'm not a big Rense fan, but he does find things that can make you think. I have always felt there was something odd about the event. As well as the prison abuses. I don't know, to me it seemed strange that if these events where happening at the prison, why photograph them, when they know what it could lead to. That is called seriously dumb. And tell me why no military officer is being made to pay the penalty when while the enlisted members are the ones facing prison?

[MetalMilitia]

We aren't crazy after all :D

It's about damn time some more 'main stream' news sources started to look into it.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/05/28/1085641717320.html

-MM- :crs:

[stewey]

If you really think the US government would stage this whole thing, you really should take off your tin foil hat. Most of that "evidence" is pretty flimsy, although I DO agree Berg may have been dead before the beheading, that really does not mean that US government staged it. He could have been smothered, hit with a blunt object, or killed one of many other ways. I really do not feel like rebuting each of those points, but if I have to I will :P

[dutchie]

Well, I saw the video too, and showed it to a friend who's a vascular surgeon. He said "no way this is a real and live decapitation. the amount of blood is just way too small; the body would at least have sprayed out (!!) 2.5 to 3 liters of blood in stead of this small quantity. Berg was dead before this happened."

makes you think...

[mickydoolittle]

Well, I saw the video too, and showed it to a friend who's a vascular surgeon. He said "no way this is a real and live decapitation. the amount of blood is just way too small; the body would at least have sprayed out (!!) 2.5 to 3 liters of blood in stead of this small quantity. Berg was dead before this happened."

makes you think...

Has anyone here seen the vid of the Unknown Rusian Soldier? The soldier was clearly alive during the killing (throat was cut), and the amount of blood was comparable to the amount of blood in the Berg video.

Hans, I think your dr friend is thinking that if the head was cut-off in one fell swoop--like the beheadings of old when a broad sword was used. In this vid, it was a hand knife that was used in a repetitive sawing motion. The blood would run out as it did, rather than spurting. There was a large amount of blood...

[Defiant Noquisi]

Well then, I guess I'm getting screwed. :vbroll:

Ahhh, DN . . . what happened to your ancestors was done by some of my ancestors long, long, long ago. Now then, the key word here is: ancestors.

<snip>

Besides, it wasn't the military that commited the actions against your ancestors--it was the cavalry, which was much like the government supported rebel troops of most third world countries (errm, excuse me--Rogue Nations) today. Micky, Im surprised at you! You couldnt have missed the point of my post since you posted this...


Those who perpetratedthe crimes of humanity against your ancestors are dead and gone. and the above about the cavalry. I brought up the Amerikkkan Holocaust for those who think it "just happened in the past". The fact is that it did happen and continues to happen even on a vicarious level. I used the term "military" since cavalry is also refered to as "troops", "military force" and "army".

Did you know that the government policy of forced sterilization of Indian women continued to the 1980's? You wont because were "just Indians" and the media blacked it out. Happened in the past? Sure, but how far back in the "past" would it be considered worthy of "forgetting" let alone "forgiving"?

The whole point of my post is that Amerikkka is in no way innocent of atrocity. Including sponsoring it against foriegn countries and indigenous people in foreign countries in the present. This is not an "old" country, rather it is quite new and in fact, fits the description of a "rogue nation" itself.

Rogue Nation (http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=United_States_as_a_rogue_nation)

I will always defend this country. However, I will NEVER support two-faced, back-handed BS policies instituted, created and/or sponsored by our own government "regime". Nor will I ever support the whitewashing blind politics to further its own special interests. Until I see that our own, and by that I mean the citizens of this country of ALL races, creeds, whatever, are taken care of like they should be and equally so, I will always speak out. Im not some bleeding heart liberal, but I want our own governement to uphold itself to the same values it purports to expect from other countries.

The atrocities are exactly what they are, heinous crimes against people. It makes no difference who committed them or what country committed them. Just because an Iraqi may have committed torture, the US is no more "innocent" if it commits the same. :mad:

[Conservative Front]

If you really believe that the Nick Berg execution was a fake, then do you believe all the prison scandals we're a fake? I mean they we're just pictures no real evidence I could fake a picture in 20 minutes? Im sick of you perverts who lose there head when an America makes a "mistake" (I don't really believe the prison scandal was all that bad) but when something happens to an AMERICAN you assume that It was all fabricated lie's and it must be a fake. sick. truly. :boxer:

[MetalMilitia]

Why don't you just go ahead and call anyone that has an open mind anti-American?

The timing and circumstances of the video were just fishy. Nothing more nothing less.

-MM- :crs:

[Conservative Front]

My post was open-minded.

If we can question the death of an American why can't we question the "torture" of Iraq prisoners? seems to be open minded to me.

[DarkAce]

Oh no he's right CF. Come to think of it, the timing of Reagon's death seems to be "fishy"! There must be some grand conspiracy those sneaky dirty americans are planning!

/sarcasm

[Conservative Front]

Good point DarkAce. I demand we check reagons coffen and do a DNA test.

[Defiant Noquisi]

Id like to know myself why you resort to name calling when someone counters you. I know you are young, but I dont think you are so young that you have to lean on immaturity to protect you.

The fact is that the guy is dead and it's a crappy video. Whether it was faked or not I cant tell. I dont have an "original" to scan it and Im not going to believe everything posted online about it.

[Keyser Soze]

Ok, is this a different chapter in the execution conspiracy theory?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123030,00.html

[Marajadex]

do you believe all the prison scandals we're a fake? I mean they we're just pictures no real evidence
Well if you consider the reports from the Red Cross as "no real evidence", or the released prisoners who can point to themselves in pictures and show bruising and scars that are depicted in the pictures from the prison as "no real evidence". Then by your own reasoning you must believe that man did not land on the moon. After all they are just pictures. That the missions to mars are fake because after all we only have pictures.

Good point DarkAce. I demand we check reagons coffen and do a DNA test.
Who is reagon? :confused:
Oh did you mean Reagan as in Ronald Reagan, or are you talking about someone else?

[stewey]

If you saw the video for the South Korean killing, he was obviously drugged, unconscious or dead before the beheading. He was crying/flinching/swaying/moving (not that I blame him at all), then the video flips to 4 minutes later and he is dead still and silent while kneeling and doesn't move at all until he is pushed to the ground. Also, the person assisting the assassin simply uses his foot to keep him on the ground. Anyways, my point is, it is very possible Berg was dead/unconscious/drugged before he was beheaded, which would explain the lower blood flow.

The other "flaws" in the video can easily be explained with logic. The chairs are not hard to come by. Jump suits were used in the other two executions, so they were not hard to come by either. The "out of shape" men is not very rare -- just look at Khalid Sheikh Muhammed (overweight terrorist despite being on the run). The "prison walls" are the color of the majority of buildings there. With the recent attention on the prison, you really think they could stage an execution there without anyone knowing?

Any more "evidence"?

[databug]

Moved to conspiracy theories,

To me it looks like the murder was NOT faked, but I still have unanswered questions about what he was doing in Iraq, unemployed... and why there are so many conflicting stories surrounding the event.

Edit: I am also critical of the TIMING of the release of this video. The US was getting SO much heat from the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandel, it just works out so well in our governments favor.

-MM- :crs:


Nah, it's fake. There's more than enough proof against it. Not counting the news articles that Metal gave, and many doctors who examined the video and instantly said it was fake.

I don't think you can cut a man's head off, with a large, heavy, sharp knife - and not see a drop of blood. Blood would be spurting out - arterial spray would be ejecting up to 10 feet. Some say this is BS, but you can find REAL beheading videos on the net and each one shows the blood just a'flowin!

Now, some say Berg was already dead when (and if) they (who is they?) were cutting on his head.

Now, we see summer of 2004, another guy on the news.. who was 'beheaded' but the case wasn't made as big as Nick Berg. I don't recall any sound clips or videos online of the latest guy's 'beheading' ya know. I think the cia/government got the response they wanted from the media and then the general public (who most believe it was real), and decided to fake another beheading. Maybe it is to get the Bush-haters on the side of this fake war. You know.. propaganda.. "oh look, the Iraqis are doing unspeakable things... maybe we should be for this war."

I ask people if they think the Berg video is real, they say yes. When I begin to give them the information against it being real, they refuse to listen, say I'm crazy, and bury their head back in the sand. What, does America WANT a real 'enemy' to go around beheading people? People need to wake up and stop being so trusting of... big brother... and everything they tell you.

Believing things without proof is called "patriotism" today. Doubting things that have no proof to them, is called "conspiracy nut" today. Anything wrong with this picture? They've trained us that questioning the Gestapo.. errr.. government, is bad and you're a nut and a looney if ya do it.

[stewey]

Nah, it wasn't faked. The amount of blood was just right if he was dead a little while before beheading. Then again it is hard to tell the amount of blood on the floor due to the floor color. Even if he was dead before the beheading, how does that mean it was faked by the government? For all we know, they suffocated him, shot him in the back of the head, drugged him, or god knows what before they beheaded him.

[databug]

Nah, it wasn't faked. The amount of blood was just right if he was dead a little while before beheading. Then again it is hard to tell the amount of blood on the floor due to the floor color. Even if he was dead before the beheading, how does that mean it was faked by the government? For all we know, they suffocated him, shot him in the back of the head, drugged him, or god knows what before they beheaded him.


The amount of blood was just right...... sir there WAS no blood haha. It's hard to tell the amount of blood because there wasn't any. And wasn't that CHAIR in the video, the same chair in the photos of our marines torturing the naked Iraqis? The main guy in the middle, reading some paper in the Berg video (dont even ask me to recall or spell his name) - is dead. He was dead long before that video was made, so how could it be him... and the same guy who's been dead a long time, has a prosthetic leg, or is in a wheelchair. Something to that effect.

I think if they shot him in the back of the head we woulda seen the gaping bullet hole and brains in the beheading video, dont you?

[FactsOverFiction]

Believing things without proof is called "patriotism" today. Doubting things that have no proof to them, is called "conspiracy nut" today. Anything wrong with this picture? They've trained us that questioning the Gestapo.. errr.. government, is bad and you're a nut and a looney if ya do it.


And believing in things without proof time and time again is a conspiracy nut. Where kind sir do we draw the line, the way some of you would have it is not one American is every dead by natural causes, dead by a terrorist, dead by stupidity they are all dead by "the government" Why is it when my uncle died they said it was a heart attack but when someone famous dies of the same thing, conspiracy nuts have a formula
1: He was murdered by
a: the NWO
b: the government to keep him silent
c: the illumanti(sp)
d: A Bush/Bin Laden agency
e: Skull and Bones
f: Fema

2: Its a big hoax he is in hiding

To say Nick Bergs beheading was a "hoax" is a slap in the face to his mourning family and friends. Someone said about it "He was a friend to the Muslim cause so it had to be the US that killed him" explain that to Mr. Johnsons family, now there was a true friend to the Muslim cause and his head was cut off just the same.


(My grandparents where there ... as I am sure many other people where that can attest to this being BS BTW)
http://pages.prodigy.net/markrm/hurricane.html

[databug]

And believing in things without proof time and time again is a conspiracy nut. Where kind sir do we draw the line, the way some of you would have it is not one American is every dead by natural causes, dead by a terrorist, dead by stupidity they are all dead by "the government" Why is it when my uncle died they said it was a heart attack but when someone famous dies of the same thing, conspiracy nuts have a formula
1: He was murdered by
a: the NWO
b: the government to keep him silent
c: the illumanti(sp)
d: A Bush/Bin Laden agency
e: Skull and Bones
f: Fema

2: Its a big hoax he is in hiding

To say Nick Bergs beheading was a "hoax" is a slap in the face to his mourning family and friends. Someone said about it "He was a friend to the Muslim cause so it had to be the US that killed him" explain that to Mr. Johnsons family, now there was a true friend to the Muslim cause and his head was cut off just the same.


(My grandparents where there ... as I am sure many other people where that can attest to this being BS BTW)
http://pages.prodigy.net/markrm/hurricane.html


Mmmm... well, aren't you the little engine that could - or thinks he can anyhow. I will play your dog and pony show with ya now. For one, your grandpappy wasn't famous, I gather. Famous people, some times, do have conspiracies behind their deaths - Princess Di for example. I liked George Burns, he was famous, I see no conspiracy there.

Berg was in cahoots with the Muslims. You need to go do your homework.

No he isn't in hiding, haha, I'm sure Nick Berg is dead - but not by a fake video of his beheading. Some say Tim McVey is alive......... hmm, maybe. Maybe you're one of the head-in-the-sand types? Maybe you need to place the UN charter on your wall in a picture frame, and proudly display their belief that the world's populace must be struck down, by 80%. You, the patriot ;)

I could care less about Berg's family or friends... I know the video was fake, I saw several versions, some good quality, some bad. Fake totally. Maybe you should seek out, online, reports from actual credible doctors who saw the video(s) and laughed at how crude they looked, how fake. Of course your conspiracy will be "someone might have paid those doctors to say it was fake" right?

Well you're just a big patriot huh? Yeah, you and Michael Savage, who says anyone who isn't for this war should be put in a labor camp. Well! Patriotic words, eh?

So you think my article, well not mine... but the article I featured from a reporter way back, is "BS" eh? Were you there during Hurricane Andrew? Ok, neither was I. Were your grandparents reporters? Did they travel around and see what went on after the hurricane hit? No, even media was scantly let through police barricades and FEMA 'rescue' units to get footage. So just because your grandparents survived it... and good for them... doesn't mean what that reporter said about hurricane Andrew, is a farse.

I don't know why more people would rather have their heads in their posteriors, than to actually research anything. Oh GOD forbid anything ever IS proven as a conspiracy, right? Oh heaven forbid! Then the nay-sayers who just watch sports all day, might sweat a little and get nervous.

You have no credibility... come to the table with facts first, then we'll chat. I can sit here and say the sky is really green all day, but without proof... I may as well not say a word. Present proof, then you can chastise me.

[stewey]

It isn't that hard to get a chair, even in Iraq. Paul Johnson was shown in a white chair also, and his execution for sure was not a fake, although that was Saudi Arabia, it is probably a similar terrorist group with ties... The Orange jump suit was also seen in Paul Johnson and Kim's video, were those hoaxes also?

Berg could have been suffocated, lethal injected, drugged, poisoned, etc...

There WAS blood, just not much. And Abu Al Zarqari (sp?) is not dead or has leg amputated, he is currently very wanted in Iraq and has been sighted a few times.

Even if he was dead before the beheading, and there was no blood, how does that prove it was a hoax? The terrorists could kill him, then behead him and send the US the video just as easily as killing him via beheading.

[databug]

It isn't that hard to get a chair, even in Iraq. Paul Johnson was shown in a white chair also, and his execution for sure was not a fake, although that was Saudi Arabia, it is probably a similar terrorist group with ties... The Orange jump suit was also seen in Paul Johnson and Kim's video, were those hoaxes also?

Berg could have been suffocated, lethal injected, drugged, poisoned, etc...

There WAS blood, just not much. And Abu Al Zarqari (sp?) is not dead or has leg amputated, he is currently very wanted in Iraq and has been sighted a few times.

Even if he was dead before the beheading, and there was no blood, how does that prove it was a hoax? The terrorists could kill him, then behead him and send the US the video just as easily as killing him via beheading.

Yeah, I guess you're right... ALL those white chairs in Iraq, be them at our military bases over there OR at "Secret terrorist houses" just happen to all look identical huh? Maybe a wal-mart somewhere over there, sells the same style chairs and our marines and the terrorists all shop there for white chairs.

My point is... check photos of the marines doing... whatever gay freaky things they were doing to the Iraqis... check out those photos, you'll see a white chair. It resembles the same chair Berg sat in, all I'm saying... even the room and the walls, the colors, have resemblance, but I wasn't the first to point this out.

Well if ya... poison or suffocate and kill someone.. how the hell do you come back to life to let out death yells while havin' your head cut off? Hmmm.

That's his name! Abu Al... whatever. Sure he's dead ;) Go read some moe news online.

Ok apparently, you "patriotic americans" want to believe that Berg magically got beheaded, alive, and didn't bleed, and that muslims, about 200 at most in 'terror groups' are gonna some how kill all 300+ million Americans some how... ok, fine. Wooo boogey men... a few sand roaches with AK's are going to come kill me... wooo. It's propaganda, the Berg beheading and what was the latest one? That fat looking guy.. see I try not to watch the news on TV, I hate being lied to. But the fat guy... did you see a video of him getting his noggin chopped off and the blood flowing? If so, let me see, too.

I think... the CIA had the Berg video faked... and it was of poor quality on purpose... and they thought "hmm, enough sheep in America believed it was real, hey let's fake another! that'll get the sheep to love Bush and say yes to the war, so we can finish plundering their oil fields and helping Afghanistan's opium trade get going again..."

By the way, since 911, the poppy fields in Afghan? Oh, doing marvelous, better than ever! And we all know, or should know, the CIA brings the drugs in. We recall the war declared on drugs in the 80s - and what happened? More drugs came in. War on illiteracy, more illiteracy. A war on... poverty, and more poverty sprang up. Now a war on terror, and we're going to see more terror - acted out by your friendly government :grin Who says "oh no, 12 muslims may be loose in America and be terrorists... so.. let's stick cameras and microphones on street corners and triple-frisk people at airport terminals... and introduce verichips to the people for tracking purposes... and introduce the patriot act parts 1 and 2 which strip down the constitution and bill of rights..."

And congress was told NOT to read patriot act 1 and 2, just to pass it. They did. John Ashcroft lied, I have a video clip of him.. saying there is no patriot act 2 - but then he announced it a few months later. LIAR. He threatened that anyone, any conspiracy kook, who claimed the patriot act takes rights away, is a terrorist... and you should have YOUR rights taken away. It's confusing, let me try to sort it out....

There IS no patriot act 2 that takes your rights away. Then it gets announced and it does take rights away. Anyone smart enough to figure this out is considered a domestic terrorist. You are not supposed to say the patriot act 2 takes rights away - but it does - but if you tell anyone that, YOUR rights get taken away. Confusing kinda... and you're not supposed to talk about a new world order......... yet Bush Sr. on September 11, 1991 gave a speech about it. Hmm. So it doesn't exist, yet big wigs say it does, yet you're not supposed to even know that word.

I think Hitler worked that way. Shut your mouth or get taken to the gas chamber, right? Believe the beheading videos were fake, right? If you don't, gasp, you're not a PATRIOT! Uh oh! I rubbed against the grain... I guess I better get my 'orange jumpsuit' ready for the FEMA camps that don't exist, yet do and are documented to exist... right?

Is he wearing beer goggles? ---> :alcoholic

[FactsOverFiction]

Okay you believe in EVERY and I mean EVERY conspiracy and your telling me I have no credibility? So I guess I have to go a little off topic here and go over some of the other "kook" things you have to say (Though I love the design on your site and its a very nice site)

http://www.moonmovie.com/

Surrounding the earth, beginning at an altitude of 1,000 miles and extending an additional 25,000 miles, lie lethal bands of radiation called the Van Allen Radiation Belts. Every manned space mission in history (including Mercury, Gemini, Soyuz, Skylab and the Space Shuttle) has been well below this deadly radiation field... all except Apollo. Recently uncovered footage of the crew of the Apollo 11 staging part of their mission proves that the astronauts never made it beyond earth orbit.

The goal was to fool the Soviet Union about US strategic capability during the height of the cold war. Deceit, Greed and Injustice... A sad thing happened on the way to the moon. The truth will astound you!

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html Destroys that belief you have on to some more..... Oh wait I bet you won't believe anything I post because they will go against your views?!?

http://pages.prodigy.net/markrm/gone1hour.html
(WARNING do not click this link if you are offended by bigotry)

Pornography: Multibillion industry; child porn rampant; porno is #1 seller on internet and at video stores; snuff "death" films make millions.
http://www.csicop.org/si/9905/snuff.html

One of the most enduring, and little-recognized, urban legends about cinema is the "snuff film," in which actresses are supposedly actually killed onscreen. Over the course of nearly a quarter century, the snuff film has transformed from grade-Z slasher film to hoax to anti-pornographers' straw man to urban legend, and shows no sign of slowing down.

Thats two down.... and nevermind I will not discuss something like this with you after reading through the rest of that site you ummm have the right to your opinion but I also have the right to never go there again. Still a nice design on your site though but you should call it KKK.com or something.

But basically I can say without a doubt, believing in every conspiracy is just like believing in none.
FoF
Click this if you want to know why I dropped this discussion.
http://pages.prodigy.net/markrm/gone1hour.html
(WARNING do not click this link if you are offended by bigotry)

[databug]

Okay you believe in EVERY and I mean EVERY conspiracy and your telling me I have no credibility? So I guess I have to go a little off topic here and go over some of the other "kook" things you have to say (Though I love the design on your site and its a very nice site)

http://www.moonmovie.com/


http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html Destroys that belief you have on to some more..... Oh wait I bet you won't believe anything I post because they will go against your views?!?

http://pages.prodigy.net/markrm/gone1hour.html
(WARNING do not click this link if you are offended by bigotry)

http://www.csicop.org/si/9905/snuff.html


Thats two down.... and nevermind I will not discuss something like this with you after reading through the rest of that site you ummm have the right to your opinion but I also have the right to never go there again. Still a nice design on your site though but you should call it KKK.com or something.

But basically I can say without a doubt, believing in every conspiracy is just like believing in none.
FoF
Click this if you want to know why I dropped this discussion.
http://pages.prodigy.net/markrm/gone1hour.html
(WARNING do not click this link if you are offended by bigotry)


Hahaha... I'm actually laughing, that's good. I haven't laughed in a while, heh. I like when people quote atheism and a rebuttal, hahaha.

If it isn't Texe Marrs gettin' attacked, it's Alex Jones. If not him, it's Jeff Rense (though Rense IS kinda out there, i think he believes in men from mars or something). If it isn't him, hah, it's me! Haha. :grin

Bigotry? Hahaha.. KKK? LOL, man. Look, son... go research just who the "ku klux klan" is, and who actually 'invented' them ;) I don't like the KKK nor the neo nazis, nor the blck panthers nor la raza. You know, if 'bigotry' didn't exist... guys like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would be out of a job, hahaha, and the NAACP and the ACLU. How funny... bigotry, because I stated facts? Well Lord forbid I state facts, well!

"It's bigotry!" - Man how old are you? I get that every day in email usually from people under 25, haha. Funny... out of the countless number of people to see my site, and to email me... you're only number 15 out of thousands to call me a bigot - haha, and people of other colors write me and love the site.

Hey, pssst, you forgot to point out im a skinhead, too... don't forget my "masonic jew plot" article hahahaha.

Uh oh! If you don't bow down to ghetto culture and embrace racist rap music, or if ya don't believe retards get their heads cut off in cheesy fake videos that movies like "faces of death" put to shame even... you're a bigot and a conspiracy nut who believes in everything! Well, I don't believe in ghosts, or aliens, or faces on Mars, or out of body experiences - which the Coast to Coast AM show features a lot. Man they'll put anyone on as a guest now... good grief.

Whoa wait wait... you forgot my other article entitled "Harry Potter is Evil" - hah, that one makes me a hater of pagans, wiccans, satanists, Hitler and the Germans and British kids with unisex pseudo-gay hairstyles, right? Haha.

:rolling:

Yeah, heh, I'm a real nut huh? :thumbs:

Haha, I wish my board got messages this good.

P.S. Whoa wait.. badastronomy.com? Haha, HAH! You believe that idiot? Yeah he's another guest on art bell's lil nightly show. That guy wouldn't know a rock from a dog turd, hah. He believes in evolution for God's sake.. he thinks we came from a ROCK 4.6 billion years ago, and the big bang was by chance 'nothing' that appeared and blew up and put life everywhere. Yeah I've emailed him many times posing many questions - he never responds. He's a whack job... quoting his site shows me quite a bit about your character, hah. Hell, why don't you quote Richard C. Hoagland next? Haha, he thinks Daffy Duck and Marvin the Martian are on Mars, looking the for PU-230 explosive modulator so they can blow up the earth LOL.

Man, at least quote reliable sources, heh... this was barely worthy of a response. I need to head to the bible forum section now and see how many atheists need to be spanked...

[stewey]

Well, you're allowed to think what you want.

If Berg was dead before he was beheaded (very possible), how does that help prove the CIA did it?

If you want to see "fat arabs" just look at Khalid Sheikh Muhammed... He was on the run and was still quite chunky when captured.

Again, white plastic chairs could be gotten in many ways. Perhaps they got them from an abandoned military establishment? Maybe they got them in Saudi? Maybe Berg was captured with one?

Cutting the head off can produce noise, when the vocal cords are cut. I thought you said he was dead before being beheaded; Now you are arguing he wasn't because he made a noise when beheaded? Not like it is hard to dub in a noise when making a video though. Even technology-deprived terrorists can do that with their camcorders.