Archeologist discover Wall

[olddragon]

'Massive' ancient wall uncovered in Jerusalem (http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/09/04/israel.wall.discovered/index.html)

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An archaeological dig in Jerusalem has turned up a 3,700-year-old wall that is the largest and oldest of its kind found in the region, experts say.
Standing 8 meters (26 feet) high, the wall of huge cut stones is a marvel to archaeologists.

"To build straight walls up 8 meters ... I don't know how to do it today without mechanical equipment," said the excavation's director, Ronny Reich. "I don't think that any engineer today without electrical power [could] do it."

Archaeologist Eli Shukron of the Israel Antiquities Authority added, "You see all the big boulders -- all the boulders are 4 to 5 tons."

The discovered section is 24 meters (79 feet) long. "However, it is thought the fortification is much longer because it continues west beyond the part that was exposed," the Israel Antiquities Authority said in a news release.

It was found inside the City of David, an archaeological excavation site outside the Old City of East Jerusalem on a slope of the Silwan Valley.

The wall is believed to have been built by the Canaanites, an ancient pagan people who the Bible says inhabited Jerusalem and other parts of the Middle East before the advent of monotheism.Video Watch report on the discovery of the ancient wall (http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/09/04/israel.wall.discovered/index.html#cnnSTCVideo)

It would seem that the ancients, were brighter than we thought.
They had to protect the water supply.
Water after all is life.

[AnneOminous]

It's always amazing whenever they dig up these ancient things right under their noses. I love that Underworld show on the History Channel that explores discoveries like this, and we realize how we are from getting to the bottom of it all.

Good find old dragon!

[JenaS62]

'Massive' ancient wall uncovered in Jerusalem (http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/09/04/israel.wall.discovered/index.html)

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It would seem that the ancients, were brighter than we thought.
They had to protect the water supply.
Water after all is life.



Alien intervention anyone? :abduct:

[jeffweeder]

"To build straight walls up 8 meters ... I don't know how to do it today without mechanical equipment," said the excavation's director, Ronny Reich. "I don't think that any engineer today without electrical power [could] do it."

So how did they do it then?


Alien intervention anyone?

Well at least that gets the ball rolling.


I reckon it was those giants who lived among the canaanites :afro:

[olddragon]

I reckon it was those giants who lived among the canaanites :afro:

The half breeds, yes I'm sure they had a hand in it. :vbroll:

[New Wine]

Maybe the technology wasn't so ancient. Hmmm...

[lazserus]

Alien intervention anyone? :abduct:
Really now? Do we actually have to resort to such absurd conclusions? Of course we don't. You may be misreading the date of this wall, which dates back to the 17th century BC, whereas the pyramid at Giza dates back nearly a millennium. The pyramid conundrum has been addressed and even solved using a number of techniques without the need for modern technology. Same with Stone Henge.

People keep returning to this absurd alien technology notion because they have no concept of historical civilizations. People continuously put ancient civilizations into a modern context, which is why it seems so bizarre that these massive structures existed. I've said it before and I'll say it again: modern technology cannot reproduce these structures because it's not designed to. Modern technology evolved in such a way to accommodate the needs of modern civilizations, not the needs of long extinct ones. However, historical engineers have come up with an abundance of theories (not hypotheses but theories, which includes actual experimentation) regarding how these ancient megaliths were constructed. And these theories do not include the use of extraterrestrial technology. You'd be surprised at how much can be accomplished with the simple understanding of leverage.

[acacia]

It could have been the Cyclops.
The original all seeing one-eye.


Could it be the remnants of Solomon's temple that was built by demons?

Is this the missing piece so that the Temple can be rebuilt without disturbing the Dome of the Rock?

[Burningdownbabylon]

Look at Rome, Greece, and Egypt. They didn't have power tools either, but yet they managed to pull of some architectural wonders. Especially Rome, the aqueduct system, the Colosseum that supposedly had a retractable roof of cloth, that Roman navy would operate. And, the aqueducts led water into the colloseum, and they had complete Naval battle re-enactments I have read. (They flooded the bottom)

Not saying what these guys did isn't impressive, but what that one guy said is a little jumped to the conclusion.

[Burningdownbabylon]

It could have been the Cyclops.
The original all seeing one-eye.


Could it be the remnants of Solomon's temple that was built by demons?

Is this the missing piece so that the Temple can be rebuilt without disturbing the Dome of the Rock?

To which Cyclops are you referring to? I've heard of several. I'm thinking of the one Odysseus blinded, Polyphemus I think is the name, the Son Of Poseidon.

[lazserus]

Look at Rome, Greece, and Egypt. They didn't have power tools either, but yet they managed to pull of some architectural wonders. Especially Rome, the aqueduct system, the Colosseum that supposedly had a retractable roof of cloth, that Roman navy would operate. And, the aqueducts led water into the colloseum, and they had complete Naval battle re-enactments I have read. (They flooded the bottom)
My point exactly. The Indus people of Harappa and Mohenjo-daro had indoor plumbing 4,000 years ago. And it wasn't because some advance alien species visited them. It was merely a public works system that used elevation, angles, and available building materials to create. Quite simple, quite primitive.

[Burningdownbabylon]

The plumbing may not be what we have today, but as Laz said, the Indo-Aryans/Indians of Harrpa and Mohenjo-Daro had some pretty advanced stuff as well, and they were before Rome/Greece

[uki]

the Indo-Aryans/Indians


*cough* phoenicians *cough*

[Burningdownbabylon]

The Phoenicians discovered Carthage Uki, im talking about the people who migrated to the east, they had to pass through the Hindu-Kush mountains, through the Khyber Pass....

[uki]

The Phoenicians discovered Carthage.that's quite the understatement...

[debonnaire]

Jerusalem - Water Systems of Biblical Times by Hillel Geva

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Archaeology/jerwater.html

Hillel Geva studied archeology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, participated in excavations in the Jewish Quarter and the Citadel in Jerusalem, and is author of the entry "Jerusalem" in the New Encyclopedia of Archeological Excavations in the Holy Land and editor of Ancient Jerusalem Revealed

[Cartesiantheater]

Really now? Do we actually have to resort to such absurd conclusions? Of course we don't. You may be misreading the date of this wall, which dates back to the 17th century BC, whereas the pyramid at Giza dates back nearly a millennium. The pyramid conundrum has been addressed and even solved using a number of techniques without the need for modern technology. Same with Stone Henge.

People keep returning to this absurd alien technology notion because they have no concept of historical civilizations. People continuously put ancient civilizations into a modern context, which is why it seems so bizarre that these massive structures existed. I've said it before and I'll say it again: modern technology cannot reproduce these structures because it's not designed to. Modern technology evolved in such a way to accommodate the needs of modern civilizations, not the needs of long extinct ones. However, historical engineers have come up with an abundance of theories (not hypotheses but theories, which includes actual experimentation) regarding how these ancient megaliths were constructed. And these theories do not include the use of extraterrestrial technology. You'd be surprised at how much can be accomplished with the simple understanding of leverage.

Bullseye. :bondage:


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[TC]

*cough* phoenicians *cough*

What does that mean in relation to Indo Aryans


A style of pottery known as Agios Onouphrios began to be produced in many parts of Crete ( Minoan). This style of red-on-buff pottery was clearly identified as having its origions in Syria-Palestine, where it had existed ever since the fourth millennium BC.

[lazserus]

*cough* phoenicians *cough*
Good example of a group that was more advanced than their contemporaries to some degree. But the Phoenicians weren't particularly wondrous overall. They had the earliest maritime trade that spanned over multiple continents and they developed a writing style that trumped cuneiform, eventually offering the basis for the Greek alphabet. But what we're talking about here predates the Phoenicians and their specifically maritime works. The cities of Harappa and Mohenjo-daro were built in such a way unlike any other city at the time. The city planners were very precise, both build on a simple grid system with perpendicular streets. Furthermore, they used elevation to construct a sewer system, which allowed every home to have a personal toilet. The wastes would move downhill and exit the city. And this is all prior to 1750 BC.

By around 1700 BC the Aryans were in the Punjab region (today's Pakistan) and part of eastern Iran. Archaeologists have found signs of decay in Harappa around this period, indicating something significant changed for them to neglect their public works system. By 1500 BC, when the Aryans moved into and took over the Indus Valley, Harappa and Mohenjo-daro were both severely decayed. The public works system had ceased and wastes were no longer being handled, especially maintaining the sewage system in place.

Strangely enough, Minoan Crete also had indoor plumbing. But from what I've heard (haven't read anything about it personally), the plumbing system in Crete circa 2000 BC was significantly different from the Indus system, possibly being more advanced. I cannot comment on Minoan plumbing much because I don't know much about it. We know that Thera (now known as Santorini) erupted sometime between 1600 and 1500 BC. After that the Mycenaeans invaded Crete and all that was left of the Minoans vanished. The Mycenaeans owned Crete by 1450 BC.

Like with the Indus people, when the Minoans were invaded (I wager most was lost as a result of the Thera eruptions and the Mycenaeans cleaned up) their technological wonders died. There is enough evidence to support the Indus peoples were in a state of collapse when the Aryans finally swept through the Indus Valley. Moreover, the Indus people had a system of writing that vanished after the Aryan occupation. (There is so little left of the writing that currently no scholar has been able to decipher it). Nearly identically, the same occurred in Crete circa 1500 BC. The Minoan public works system and city planning system was abandoned after the Mycenaeans took control of the island. And, like with the Indus peoples, the Minoans has developed two systems of writing, one of which still has yet to be deciphered. (The two scripts are called Linear A and Linear B, Linear A being the one as of yet deciphered.)

Sorry about the unsolicited history lesson but I think it's relevant. It goes to show that we still do not fully understand our ancient ancestors. And although there are some technological and literary correlations connecting the two civilizations, not to mention a similar timeline in relation to the two civilizations' demises, there is plenty to separate the two. Those technological and literary correlations are significantly different. Pre-Vedic script in the Indus region is significantly different from Linear A in Minoan Crete.

[TC]

I visited Crete last year and had some time to look around at the existing water and sewer systems that have been exposed under archaeological digs.The first photo shows a sewer pipe that dates around 4000 years, ceramic joints insured a good seal. The second photo shows the stone slabs of the floor partially removed to show part of the extensive sewage canal system underneath the whole settlement. Knossos was probably the first European settlement with a well organized water system for incoming clean water, regular waste water disposal (ending up in the gardens outside the settlement) and storm sewage canals for the times of heavy rain.

The Minoan system had actual flush toilets that held a tank reservoir above that worked similar to those of today. And their drainage system for rain water was unmatched, and would be hard pressed to have been done better even by our current standards, water from the roofs and the courts, and the overflows from the cisterns carried with piping down into buried drains. The pipes had perfect socket joints, so tapered that the narrow end of one pipe fixed tightly into the broad end of the next one. The tapering sections allowed a jetting action to prevent accumulation of sediment.

Incredibly fresh water was brought some 25 miles by a pipe system that was to the millimeter in its use of "fall" ( the degree of slope) in some places it was at 5mm per meter, just enough to insure flow over long horizontal sections. And they did this without the use of gradient laser sighting that we use today to get the same results.

For me, I believe they were by far more advanced than we had previously understood, and without a doubt centuries ahead of anyone else.

[flounatic]

...modern technology cannot reproduce these structures because it's not designed to......oh? What makes you say this?

[uki]

modern technology still has to catch up with ancient knowledge. ::):

[James Random]

...oh? What makes you say this?

It's an established fact that today we could not build the pyramids, for example. Nor do we have the technology to recreate the crystal skulls. Nor could we recreate the ancient egyptian batteries....

But that said technology has made us lazy. We look to a technological solution for everything and if there isn't one it seems that more and more we simply declare it impossible to do rather than simply looking for a primitive solution to the problem because it could possibly mean more work...

[AbbyGrant]

Don't forget the other factor all these ancient civilisations had that we no longer do - unexhaustable supply of free labour - slaves

Slaves built the pyramids and stonehenge and died in their thousands doing so.

Even some more modern wonders - hoover dam for example would not be able to be built today without modern technology as society would no longer accept the death toll.

[James Random]

My apologies, I wasn't clear enough. What I meant to indicate was that it has been established as to be impossible to build any of the items listed in my above post using only what those civilisations had at their disposal with such accuracy (mathematical or anatomical).

[Freddy]

Don't forget the other factor all these ancient civilisations had that we no longer do - unexhaustable supply of free labour - slaves

Slaves built the pyramids and stonehenge and died in their thousands doing so.

Even some more modern wonders - hoover dam for example would not be able to be built today without modern technology as society would no longer accept the death toll.
The Egyptian pyramids were built by Egyptians not by slaves.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/pyramid/explore/builders.html

[AbbyGrant]

The Egyptian pyramids were built by Egyptians not by slaves.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/pyramid/explore/builders.html

I know this is the current thinking of a few modern archeologists who glorify the ancient cultures - but sorry I just don't buy it.

[Freddy]

I know this is the current thinking of a few modern archeologists who glorify the ancient cultures - but sorry I just don't buy it.
Perhaps you could show some evidence that they are wrong?

[AbbyGrant]

Sorry I can't - I can show you other people's views just as you can show me lots of people's views who agree with you - but actual real life evidence/proof - not without a time machine sorry

[Freddy]

Sorry I can't - I can show you other people's views just as you can show me lots of people's views who agree with you - but actual real life evidence/proof - not without a time machine sorry
No, I have shown you there is physical evidence for the archeologist's claims.
Here are others. Can you show any evidence?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/08/0805_020805_giza.html
http://www.guardians.net/hawass/buildtomb.htm
http://harvardmagazine.com/2003/07/who-built-the-pyramids
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/egyptians/pyramid_builders_01.shtml#seven
http://www.aeraweb.org/spec_zoo.asp
http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/04/23/the-pyramid-builders-dna/