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Beatnik Bob
Oct 24th, 2009, 11:55 PM
Not that he was not a highly skilled artist or very intelligent.
It's just that, it is possible he is slightly overrated today as an inventor.


FROM LINK: y research revealed that Leonardo had owned a copy of di Giorgio’s treatise on civil and military machines. In the treatise, di Giorgio had illustrated and described a range of astonishing machines, many of which Leonardo subsequently reproduced in three-dimensional drawings. The illustrations were not limited to canals, locks and pumps; they included parachutes, submersibles tanks and machine guns as well as hundreds of other machines with civil and military applications.

This was quite a shock. It seemed Leonardo was more illustrator than inventor and that the greater genius may have resided in di Giorgio. Was di Giorgio the original inventor of these fantastic machines? Or did he, in turn, copy them from another?

I learned that di Giorgio had inherited notebooks and treatises from another Italian, Mario di Jacopo ditto Taccola (called Taccola “the jackdaw”). Taccola was a clerk of public works living in Siena. Having never seen the sea or fought a battle, he nevertheless managed to draw a wide variety of nautical machines – paddle wheeled boats, frogmen and machines for lifting wrecks together with a range of gunpowder weapons, even an advanced method of making gunpowder. It seems Taccola was responsible for nearly every technical illustration that di Giorgio and Leonardo had later improved upon.

So, once again, we confront our familiar puzzle: How did a clerk in a remote Italian hill town, a man who had never travelled abroad nor obtained a university education, come to produce technical illustrations of such amazing machines?

http://1434.tv/extract.htm

Perfectionist
Oct 25th, 2009, 10:54 PM
Interesting Shit ! :thumbs:

debonnaire
Oct 26th, 2009, 7:45 AM
without speaking of fact that Leonardo was paid too much when he played for the Milan A.C , back in 2002-2003 http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Sport_et_loisirs/0133.gif
so yeah surely too much credit was given to him http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Langue/%21camoufle.gif

calliope
Oct 26th, 2009, 8:35 PM
Not that he was not a highly skilled artist or very intelligent.
It's just that, it is possible he is slightly overrated today as an inventor.



http://1434.tv/extract.htm


Good stuff.....

This:


So, once again, we confront our familiar puzzle: How did a clerk in a remote Italian hill town, a man who had never travelled abroad nor obtained a university education, come to produce technical illustrations of such amazing machines?

As well as this, from the article:


The great European explorers were brave and determined men. But they discovered nothing. Magellan was not the first to circumnavigate the globe nor was Columbus the first to discover the Americas So why, we may ask, do historians persist in propagating this fantasy? Why is the “Times History of Exploration,” which details the discoveries of European explorers, still taught in schools? Why are the young so insistently misled?

Really.....How...and Why.....

Excellent observations. Answers?

henry123
Dec 24th, 2009, 1:14 AM
nice post ......................
good one

Beatnik Bob
Dec 24th, 2009, 8:33 PM
Really.....How...and Why.....

Excellent observations. Answers?
Magellan is reported to have seen maps such as the Piri Rei. And as you know Columbus also viewed a map with the Americas on them (in Rome) before setting sail.

What Gavin Menzies book details, is how the source of many of these maps was China. As I'm sure you learned from the link.

China had reached the west coast of America and the American southwest and drawn detailed maps of this. Another evidence of this is that there is a Southwestern American cactus indigenous to the area found on an island in the mediterranean where the Chinese set up a small naval base when they came to visit the "long-nosed barbarians" of Europe.

Ideas, maps and a cactus subsequently made their way to Europe.

Spectrum
Jun 18th, 2011, 12:45 AM
Given that Mr Menzies has given the historians a bit to rewrite, there is enough circumstantial evidence to support his findings, but as to Da Vinci being dumb, his work on vortices etc was on the money also his paintings were well above average, and he still was a polymath by anyone's standards.
His drawing technique set the standard for technical drawings etc.

Vuall
Jun 18th, 2011, 1:22 AM
Who invents anything?

is it the one that theorises initially, or the one that commits it to paper, working out the details, or the one that produces the first prototype?

Take radio for example.

Marconi, sends and receives radio signals 1895

Tesla, fundamental design on paper 1892

Hertz, proved radio waves existed in 1888

Dolbear, first US patent for wireless telegraph in 1882

Loomis, demonstrated wireless telecommunication in 1868

The historically accredited inventor is so often someone that has taken previous work and expanded on it.

lycanox
Jun 18th, 2011, 6:11 AM
Meh, the fact that he was able to understand the designs shows that he was not just some dumb illustrator. And Leo is also famous for work on lots of other fields.

Reef Badlaw
Jul 1st, 2011, 8:29 PM
He designed a robot, essentially...

http://unmyst3.blogspot.com/2009/05/da-vincis-mysterious-robot.html

There's simply too much myth surrounding him nowadays. He had a great mind. Earth was lucky to have him in-play.

Beatnik Bob
Jul 1st, 2011, 9:22 PM
In the initial post the claim was not made that Leonardo was either "dumb" or unintelligent. On the contrary, Leonardo was a genius, and a skilled artist. However, he likely receives more credit as an inventor than he should have.

Bob
Jul 2nd, 2011, 9:02 AM
Nope. I think he gets just the right amount of credit.

New Wine
Jul 2nd, 2011, 9:38 AM
Kind of reminds me of Tesla and Edison.

Sayev
Jul 3rd, 2011, 8:15 PM
It would be nice to see him get credit for things that are relatively not spoken of.
Like writing his series of 100 questions he would most like answered in his lifetime. Then jotting down all available answers he came across on a daily basis. A lot of his creativity may have come from this one simple concept of a daily diary of sorts.
Something I would love to sit down and start but never seem to put it at the top of the list of things to do. A mistake on my part.