The TRUTH about all this

[iulian28ti]

You know...

Al Qaeda really had motive. Had the means. Had enough time to plan and had a really easy time passing through the intelligence filter. They used a coded message, they used box cutters and the element of surprise. America was feeling peachy, and honestly so was i. Which is why they did it. No, not to inconvenience me but to strike fear into hearts of millions. They knew that the media would immediately jump to cover the story, and they knew that some lunatics would start saying the government did it, and they knew that would create more fear and more tension.

I think they never imagined they would actually bring down the WTC. Maybe make a loud bang on impact, just before they wake up in heaven. But since then, thousands of coalition's troops have died, thousands of insurgents have died, civilians were killed by suicide bombers. And i think that they didn't find WMDs in Iraq simply because Saddam moved them. Anyone can do that.

But not anyone can do what America does. America... many wonder why i talk so much of it. It's because it was meant to be the greatest living dream of humankind. And some people just don't want to see other people happy. Some people just think what other people say, that if they kill that guy, they're gonna make it to heaven. But it's a lie, and many people have paid for it, big time. They are dead now, and i bet 9/11 is a celebrating day for the terrorists.

For almost a decade, America and its allies devotes its money and souls to fight these crazies.
Because of them, we are now in a great deal of trouble.
See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0zEXdDO5JU
Good people, devoted souls, men and women are dying fighting a war for us, to keep us safe.
Imagine what would happen if we would let those terrorists rebuild.

They would strike again. And again and again. None of us would be safe. People need to feel safe to work well and help improve this world. Everyone was happy before 9/11. Like an organism, earth and its nations, its people feel pain. If you were stabbed, you wouldn't just feel stabbed, you would feel that pain in your entire body. Same for Earth. America was stabbed, and all nations felt the pain. Now everyone is in pain. Terrorism, more terrorism, foreign and domestic, money crisis, money spent on war to keep us safe. They knew, the terrorists, that just like before, if a country is attacked, it will fight back, but to fight back it needs to divert its resources. WW1 was like that, WW2 was like that. Even the Cold War was like that.

Massive military funds, military research. Terrorists knew that war is a stress for all people. They can't care if they're bombed. All they know, they're going to allah. But we are spending our people and our money on war, we are losing big time, and they love it ! I bet they're thinking allah will give them bonus virgins for every billion dollar spent on war, to keep the civilized people safe. We are civilized people, we pay taxes, help each other, have brilliant discussions, try to do the right thing in this short time we have. Terrorists and insurgents, they're evil. I saw some videos a while ago. They were executing people on the streets. Humans have the God given right to live and be happy for all their life. Not die by the hand of another man.

I feel like i wanna go to a place far away, until this is over. Until this war is over. Why don't we all leave ?
Find another place and leave this planet to the monkeys.

[The survivor]

Two things to remember here...

1. what makes people think they are not already here or have been here for decades waiting for the perfect storm...

2. Security is an illusion...

[iulian28ti]

That's what terrorists want you to think !

[The survivor]

I thought about that, but there is also a possibility that we are going to see a lot more home grown terrorists... but there are alot of ME people living here and running the risk of sounding like a racist.... how many are legit in coming here? i am not talking about immigrating here but the real reason...

now granted, i do not care where a person comes from as long as it is legal entry... but i would shoot someone down in a heart beat if they got ignorant and started shooting people or some idiotic terrorist attempt...

paranoia is not the issue, but how many people came here with less than honest intent and how many got in here from a wide open border? somethin to think about because we do not know who has entered this country and for what purpose.

[iulian28ti]

It doesn't matter who gets into the country, it matters that we know before they enter if they are good or bad, and that we bomb them if they're bad. After all, it's bomb them before they bomb us !

[Reef Badlaw]

If Al Qaeda had simply waited... America was crumbling from-within, mostly via a semen-stained dress, dangling 'chads', and a widespread misunderstanding of the Electoral College-process. The divisions, 'secular correctness' would've worked their evil corrosion deeply-enough, so that when the housing-bubble/credit-crashes happened (which I believe would've occurred without 9/11), we'd resemble what Greece is now to-a-greater-degree.

[iulian28ti]

That's not true. America was prosper. Prosper means that it was okay, it wasn't gonna collapse anytime soon, surely not in this century. Its politicians, congressmen, businessmen who provide jobs, are good people. And when good people are allowed to do the good thing, they prosper. But if you attack them, they'll start fighting, stop doing good things and everything collapses. Al Qaeda is responsible and thank god we have our shepards, Bush, Obama, Al Gore who know what must be done.

[lycanox]

The war for terror has created a huge gap between the democrats and republicans.
The government and the people. And the US and the rest of the world.

The problems we are facing would have been a lot simpler to solve without those gaps.

[Beatnik Bob]

our shepards, Bush, Obama, Al Gore who know what must be done.

Al gore? Ha!
He's such a dipshit... :D


Great first post by the way. :thumbs:

[The survivor]

It doesn't matter who gets into the country, it matters that we know before they enter if they are good or bad, and that we bomb them if they're bad. After all, it's bomb them before they bomb us !


basically it is not allowed to do many preemptive strikes... to much that we must be politically correct on..... must not offend and all the other happy horse shit...

[The survivor]

If Al Qaeda had simply waited... America was crumbling from-within, mostly via a semen-stained dress, dangling 'chads', and a widespread misunderstanding of the Electoral College-process. The divisions, 'secular correctness' would've worked their evil corrosion deeply-enough, so that when the housing-bubble/credit-crashes happened (which I believe would've occurred without 9/11), we'd resemble what Greece is now to-a-greater-degree.



we arenot all that far from going the exact route that greece is going through right now... and it will be far worse, because americans for the most part cannot or do not know how to exist without a nanny government giving them all the free stuff... self reliancy is at a low, and greed at a high... so in the end those that are smart and resourceful will survive and those that are not will get their ignorant selves killed off.... might not be a bad idea but well, I can't have everything...

[Anarch]

You know...

Al Qaeda really had motive. Had the means. Had enough time to plan and had a really easy time passing through the intelligence filter.


W-T-F?!?!

What motive? No seriously what motive? They hate our freedom as cobra command hates GI Joe? The "Means"? Seriously? Back then you could smuggle "pen guns" but they went with box cutters. And no body would stand up to them. "OH NO HE HAS A BOX CUTTER TO HER THROAT" Nobody try and grab his arm! GET FREAKING REAL!

And they were willing to go that far but nobody thought, "Gee guys theirs like 20 of us. Instead stealing four large planes why don't we steal a bunch of those mini-jets? We could hit more targets and we would face less risk from passenger uprising."

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[James Random]

Al Qaeda is an illusion. It always was. Think about it.

I've said this before: Even if they did exist they only attacked a building that was highly insured against terrorist attacks and attacked the system. If you're a terrorist you attack a University or a School because they are 1) low security and 3) public.

The US has spent 10 years searching for Osama Bin Laden and found nothing. Not a single sign exept vague rumblings in the form of

'be on the lookout for two women who do not appear to be arabic and are known terrorists' or

'Britain has the highest concentration of Al Queda extremists in the west'.

My question to this is: How do you know, America? Last time I checked it was illegal for American Intelligence to operate inside of the UK? At least without permission and if it HAD permission, the MI6 would have been working closely enough with he CIA to not have to be told this because they'd already know. So, how do you know? Surely if you know the identity of these two women you must have seen them at some point to know?

America - one of the most technologically advanced - has, for the last decade, been eluded and outsmarted by a guy using throwback cold-war weaponry, a bit of determination, a camcorder and a VHS player. Despite America having the technology to 'spot a penny on the ground from space.

Now surely if you can spot a penny on the ground from space you can spot a dude in the desert even if he is in his cave you'd see some telltale signs of activity in that area. Heat imaging is quite good these days too.

But yet this guy has still managed to outsmart you.

Perhaps his did a Pink Panther and shaved his beard off and now walks freely down the streets of New York?

I personally don't think Al Qaeda ever existed. I've never seen any evidence of their existence except news reports from companies that had as much money to make out of Terrorism as mine and your government did.

So what you have is an ex-CIA agent who supposedly turned terrorist (which makes one ask what turns you from the CIA Golden Boy into a Terrorist against your own country, given that Osama had American Citizenship?) who is nowhere to be seen despite the Americans and the British having entire armies at their command to launch a search.


Here's what it sounds like.

US Government:
'We haven't yet been able to find Osama Bin Laden'.

US Government:
'We haven't yet been able to find Saddam's Weapons of Mass Destruction'.


Ring any bells yet?


Wake up people. They don't want to catch Osama because they couldn't make any more money out of their favourite brand: Terrorism. And couldn't get any laws passed that would not even be looked twice as it if it weren't for the threat of terrorism.

It's all a lie.


They say the terrorists overcame passenger, crew and hostesses using only Craft knives. Srsly? If you can do that you deserve the plane, lets face it

They say that the terrorists trained to use the aircraft using microsoft flight simulator 2000. Ask any pilot how laughable this is. Please do. It would be like going from having played a Racing Game on your PS3 to driving a racing car having never actually driven a car before in your life.
Not only is MS flight sim 2000 not a complete cockpit. at all. But it cannot ever begin to prepare you for the physical requirements of flying a passenger jet. Seriously. Such physical preparations take years to train for. Even the big flight simulators used by the aircraft companies can't even begin to prepare you for that kind of physical requirement. Steering the aircraft is more than about turning a wheel and pushing some buttons. You have the foot pedals to work too. MS flight sim did have a 'foot pedal attachment' but they were little more than buttons themselves. The real thing is a lot harder to operate and requires superior physical strength. Didn't you ever wonder why not just anyone could be a pilot?

So. Having failed flying school and only trained on their home PC. They find sudden and incredible ability behind the controls of their boeing performing 270° turns which, while not impossible, would be extremely difficult for even your most seasoned pilot to perform.

[Reef Badlaw]

Why don't you sell advertising-space on your tour bus...?

" I've never seen any evidence of their (*buy GLADSTONE DISHWASH SOAP... put a smile on your hands*) existence except news reports from companies that (*try S&O Heating And Distributing... open at 7*) had as much money to make out of Terrorism that yours and mine do."

[iulian28ti]

W-T-F?!?!

What motive? No seriously what motive? They hate our freedom as cobra command hates GI Joe? The "Means"? Seriously? Back then you could smuggle "pen guns" but they went with box cutters. And no body would stand up to them. "OH NO HE HAS A BOX CUTTER TO HER THROAT" Nobody try and grab his arm! GET FREAKING REAL!

And they were willing to go that far but nobody thought, "Gee guys theirs like 20 of us. Instead stealing four large planes why don't we steal a bunch of those mini-jets? We could hit more targets and we would face less risk from passenger uprising."



Terrorists aren't rational, they just want to kill everybody.


Al Qaeda is an illusion. It always was. Think about it.
No it's not. Look
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA5v1pTsE9I


US Government:
'We haven't yet been able to find Osama Bin Laden'.

US Government:
'We haven't yet been able to find Saddam's Weapons of Mass Destruction'.


Ring any bells yet?
Yes, he moved them !

[James Random]

Terrorists aren't rational, they just want to kill everybody.


No it's not. Look
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA5v1pTsE9I


Yes, he moved them !

And the incident of using a PC flight simulator to train for the real thing? This in of itself is the killer in the story. It's simply impossible to fly a jet without using proper flight sims (meaning the big representation aircraft), not PC ones.

[Anarch]

Terrorists aren't rational, they just want to kill everybody.


Even the insane are rational to themselves. To understand them it is just a mater of putting yourself into their shoes...understanding their minds..

I will say this. I do not believe in the terrorist problem as the government wishes I would. Why?, you might ask. Because if the problem were real and True terrorism was the goal then it is a goal that is easy to achieve.

Take the case of John Allen Muhammad and John Lee Malvo. One gun. It held a city in fear.

And that was just a case of one nut job who manipulated a teenager into helping him.

On a grander scale getting into the US is not difficult. Getting a rifle in the US is not difficult. If this terrorism problem was real their would be a very real epidemic of sniper style shootings. It would be so bad we would have to close our southern border. But it's not real. Its propaganda. Muhammad and Malvos' three stage plan is online at wikipedia there for anyone to read and follow. Or improve upon. But nobody does. It's been years but the terrorists are not flooding through our southern border stocking up on rifles and making people scared to send their kids to school or fill up at gas stations.

And it's not our impressive border patrol that stops them.

[Shine]

Terrorists aren't rational, they just want to kill everybody.

Really? No reason to hate America at all then? Indifference and uneducated assumptions about other cultures is what gets us bit when we stir up anthills. Not to give Osama any credence, but he actually did issue very specific reasons for the terrorist attack on our soil.

Of all the wrong headed ideas that exists in our present day, this has got to be the most destructive. I suppose you also believe the line about hating our freedoms and our blue jeans as impetus for the attack?

People, people, people, come on! Are you aware that Patrick Henry, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and the hundreds of other honorable men who helped shape our constitution were considered "terrorists" by King George?

Whenever I read of tragedy, though it is often hard to remove the emotional aspect, I have taught myself to first ask "why?". But, you have to honestly be willing to answer that question in due diligence to reach the truth of any matter, something nearly impossible in today's hubristic political climate.

Do you think perhaps this might have something to do with it:


In installing the repressive regime of the Shah of Iran in 1953, a more or less fascist dictator with his own string of torture chambers, the CIA was fully asleep as to how this assault on Iran’s sovereignty would in due course advance the Islamic revolution that brought the Ayatollah Khomeni to power in the 1970s, a revolution which caught the CIA by surprise.

Read more: American spooks: Heavy sleepers — Mises Economics Blog http://blog.mises.org/2277/american-spooks-heavy-sleepers/#ixzz0iyvC3vZK


Just how many dictators have we "set up" in the middle east. That reminds me, wasn't Sadaam one of our own as well?

[iulian28ti]

And the incident of using a PC flight simulator to train for the real thing? This in of itself is the killer in the story. It's simply impossible to fly a jet without using proper flight sims (meaning the big representation aircraft), not PC ones.

Have you experienced what you are talking about ? If not.....


Even the insane are rational to themselves. To understand them it is just a mater of putting yourself into their shoes...understanding their minds..
I understand very well what is inside terrorists' minds when they blow themselves up. Just destruction. That's all. They are brainwashed.


On a grander scale getting into the US is not difficult. Getting a rifle in the US is not difficult. If this terrorism problem was real their would be a very real epidemic of sniper style shootings. It would be so bad we would have to close our southern border. But it's not real. Its propaganda.
There are no more shootings because the united states government has taken the necessary actions to preserve peace and order. There are many recent headlines about how they caught terrorists about to commit another horrible attack.


Of all the wrong headed ideas that exists in our present day, this has got to be the most destructive. I suppose you also believe the line about hating our freedoms and our blue jeans as impetus for the attack?
Of course they hate jeans. Did you see them wearing any ? Didn't you see on TV how they shout "death to america" ? Or depictions of 9/11 in their kids' drawings, smiling at the camera proud of what they drew ?
Yet coalition soldiers keep sending them pens and paper. Tax payer's money wasted.


Just how many dictators have we "set up" in the middle east. That reminds me, wasn't Sadaam one of our own as well?
Saddam didn't order 9/11. Osama did. Sadam was just his cashier.

[kadunk]

You know...

Al Qaeda really had motive. Had the means. Had enough time to plan and had a really easy time passing through the intelligence filter. They used a coded message, they used box cutters and the element of surprise. America was feeling peachy, and honestly so was i. Which is why they did it. No, not to inconvenience me but to strike fear into hearts of millions. They knew that the media would immediately jump to cover the story, and they knew that some lunatics would start saying the government did it, and they knew that would create more fear and more tension.

I think they never imagined they would actually bring down the WTC. Maybe make a loud bang on impact, just before they wake up in heaven. But since then, thousands of coalition's troops have died, thousands of insurgents have died, civilians were killed by suicide bombers. And i think that they didn't find WMDs in Iraq simply because Saddam moved them. Anyone can do that.

But not anyone can do what America does. America... many wonder why i talk so much of it. It's because it was meant to be the greatest living dream of humankind. And some people just don't want to see other people happy. Some people just think what other people say, that if they kill that guy, they're gonna make it to heaven. But it's a lie, and many people have paid for it, big time. They are dead now, and i bet 9/11 is a celebrating day for the terrorists.

For almost a decade, America and its allies devotes its money and souls to fight these crazies.
Because of them, we are now in a great deal of trouble.
See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0zEXdDO5JU
Good people, devoted souls, men and women are dying fighting a war for us, to keep us safe.
Imagine what would happen if we would let those terrorists rebuild.

They would strike again. And again and again. None of us would be safe. People need to feel safe to work well and help improve this world. Everyone was happy before 9/11. Like an organism, earth and its nations, its people feel pain. If you were stabbed, you wouldn't just feel stabbed, you would feel that pain in your entire body. Same for Earth. America was stabbed, and all nations felt the pain. Now everyone is in pain. Terrorism, more terrorism, foreign and domestic, money crisis, money spent on war to keep us safe. They knew, the terrorists, that just like before, if a country is attacked, it will fight back, but to fight back it needs to divert its resources. WW1 was like that, WW2 was like that. Even the Cold War was like that.

Massive military funds, military research. Terrorists knew that war is a stress for all people. They can't care if they're bombed. All they know, they're going to allah. But we are spending our people and our money on war, we are losing big time, and they love it ! I bet they're thinking allah will give them bonus virgins for every billion dollar spent on war, to keep the civilized people safe. We are civilized people, we pay taxes, help each other, have brilliant discussions, try to do the right thing in this short time we have. Terrorists and insurgents, they're evil. I saw some videos a while ago. They were executing people on the streets. Humans have the God given right to live and be happy for all their life. Not die by the hand of another man.

I feel like i wanna go to a place far away, until this is over. Until this war is over. Why don't we all leave ?
Find another place and leave this planet to the monkeys.

there only motive was hate and spreding islam in a way that gets the most attention
was you there to hear the screems and feel the ground shake under your feet. while all those people die right befor your eyes. then there were no more screems. and the terrorist woke up in hell. where they came from. there is nuthing nobel or brave about them they attack woman and children and the helpless and defensles when they are not looking. a one on one face to face they are cowards. they are allso insane and stupid because they kill them selves in attacks. and they use children to blow up busses by making them believe they are planting it on the buss but the one that presses that button blows up the kid that planted the bomb just so they say the kid was a marteror. they are lie and evil incarnet

[iulian28ti]

where they came from. there is nuthing nobel or brave about them they attack woman and children and the helpless and defensles when they are not looking. a one on one face to face they are cowards.
How do you know ? If they're on crack, and start having hallucinations about allah telling them to kill, they will do so. These guys are puppets of evil. Opium and other narcotics are grown in Afghanistan, and some suspect iraq too !
So it's possible that a one on one encounter is gonna leave you without a limb or at least scared to death !

[kadunk]

How do you know ? If they're on crack, and start having hallucinations about allah telling them to kill, they will do so. These guys are puppets of evil. Opium and other narcotics are grown in Afghanistan, and some suspect iraq too !
So it's possible that a one on one encounter is gonna leave you limb or at least scared to death !

try me....

[iulian28ti]

This wasn't meant to be a serious discussion, but a sort of editing exercise.
My opinion about "all this" is almost at the other end of the scale.




Thanks for the replies though. Greatly appreciated !

[Qualanqui]

Al = The, Que = CIA, Da = Database
Al Queda is not an organization it's a database of every single terrorist the CIA has ever trained.
Osama Bin Laden is in the Caymans or some other such place sipping daquiris and chasing tail
I know this discussion is pretty much closed but I had to put my two cents in
:D