All about ancient Egypt

[equestrian]

pre-Dynastic ancient Egypt is not at all what you think. The ancient Egyptians (and those that carried on the faith into Dynastic times) communicated with the UK and the Maya-Quiché from the Yucatan. They were monotheistic with a pantheon of nine gods in what they called the Ennead. There was also a ten member Ennead they called the "ten great ones of the Palace, you Great Ennead."

All across the UK and on the Continent we find cathedral churches and the remains of monasteries designed by the Templars that carried the tradition of the ancient Egyptians.

It was because of this tradition of the ancient Egyptians now found carved on the corbels of cathedral churches and the remains of monasteries and practiced in the liturgy of the Cistercian Monks that led to the destruction of the monasteries in the UK by Henry VIII

Know your history - cause it's all there for the finding!

james
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[Freddy]

pre-Dynastic ancient Egypt is not at all what you think. The ancient Egyptians (and those that carried on the faith into Dynastic times) communicated with the UK and the Maya-Quiché from the Yucatan. They were monotheistic with a pantheon of nine gods in what they called the Ennead. There was also a ten member Ennead they called the "ten great ones of the Palace, you Great Ennead."

All across the UK and on the Continent we find cathedral churches and the remains of monasteries designed by the Templars that carried the tradition of the ancient Egyptians.

It was because of this tradition of the ancient Egyptians now found carved on the corbels of cathedral churches and the remains of monasteries and practiced in the liturgy of the Cistercian Monks that led to the destruction of the monasteries in the UK by Henry VIII

Know your history - cause it's all there for the finding!

james
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And you know this how?

[perfectly_flawed]

um......... what??!!

[equestrian]

Freddy asks) And you know this how?

Answer) Years ago I became interested in the Pyramid Texts - those 4000 lines of hieroglyphics on the walls of the pyramids in Saqqara, Egypt. They were deciphered from the Rosetta Stone by Jean Francois Champollion c1821-22, and translated into English by Dr. R. O. Faulkner of the British Museum and published under the title, "The Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Texts."

And I've studied them for the last 10 years

I was also interested in the Popol Vul the sacred word of the Maya-Quiché and studied it as well.

When one does this and studies English history from the Templars to Henry VIII you have the background to see the relationships

james
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[custompainter]

So does this tie in with the "illuminati" theory? I understand they supposedly built thier places of worship after the designs of the egyptians.

[equestrian]

custompainter asked) So does this tie in with the "illuminati" theory? I understand they supposedly built thier places of worship after the designs of the egyptians.

Answer) Interesting question, but I don't know. IMO the Templars had found what they believed were secrets to immortality as a god (little g). Immortality would have enticed the monarchs and nobility to give large sums to the Templars and would have given the Templars safe passage.

james
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[custompainter]

Hey........I stumped him!!! He said "I dont know"!!! Damn im good!!! (dances around room) Just kidding dude. But I would be interested in hearing what if anything you know about the subject. I find your posts quite interesting.

[Singularity]

They were monotheistic with a pantheon of nine gods in what they called the Ennead. There was also a ten member Ennead they called the "ten great ones of the Palace, you Great Ennead."
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Hate to tell you this, but 'monotheistic' means only one god. They would have been 'polytheistic'.

I really don't know where you're getting your information, because it matches nothing I've studied at the college level, but there was a period where Egypt attempted monotheism. Under the rule of the pharaoh Akhenaten, the classic pantheon was overthrown in favor of the god Aten, the sun god. He insisted that this was the only god that existed and that everyone in Egypt should worship him. He made himself the high priest, thus establishing within himself the spiritual and secular authority at the time. He was King Tut's father. Also, after his death, Egypt reinstated the classic gods and did their best to erase him from history. Incidentally, about a hundred years later Moses led his people out of Egypt following the monotheistic god Yaweh. Is this coincidental, or did he get the idea from Akhenaten?

This was not the last time in history that a secular leader would attempt to become a spiritual leader. When Christianity rose to dominance in the Roman empire, Emperor Constantine created the Eastern Roman Empire paved the way for the the emperor to become the highest religious authority. This lives on today in the Eastern Orthodox Church. This was done again under the rule of King Charlemagne, who had the pope crown him king of the "Holy Roman Empire" (most historians agree that it was neither holy nor Roman).

[equestrian]

Good morning Singularity

You wrote) Hate to tell you this, but 'monotheistic' means only one god. They would have been 'polytheistic'.

Ans) I'm fully aware that 'monotheistic' means only one god. But you failed to capitalize "God."

The Egyptian religion evolved from pre-Dynastic times and was "monotheistic." While at the same time they had a pantheon of gods (little g); (namely) Atum, Shu, Tefenet, Geb, Nut, Osiris, Isis, Seth, and Nephthys

But there were two Atums. One the father and one the son.

The father Atum was the supreme being.

The Pyramid Texts are the authority as they predate all other literature and they introduce the full pantheon. Read the following passage carefully and you'll see the Father and Son reference.

Utterance 600, § 1655 from the Pyramid Texts

quote) O you Great Ennead which is on On, (namely) Atum, Shu, Tefenet, Geb, Nut, Osiris, Isis, Seth, and Nephthys; O you children of Atum

NOTE the two Atums: "(namely Atum)" and "(O you children of Atum)"

Father and son!

james
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[Freddy]

You can find the Pyramid Texts here.


http://www.pyramidtextsonline.com/translation.html

[Singularity]

Ans) I'm fully aware that 'monotheistic' means only one god. But you failed to capitalize "God."

That's because as a general policy, I do not capitalize god. Further, there is a distinction between using the word as a name and using the word to describe a type of mythical being. As a name, it is capitalized unless you intend to show disrespect; as a description of a type of mythological being, it is not capitalized.

[equestrian]

The distinction between God (big G) and god (little g) is an important one when we seek to define pre-Dynastic Egypt's preferences.

By example God (big G) is written 64 times in the Pyramid Texts (none as the first word in a sentence); god (little g) is written 698 times.

I'm not the only one to recognize the monotheistic religion of the ancient Egyptians. Jean Francois Champollion (who deciphered the hieroglyphics from the Rosetta Stone) had a brother, Champollion-Figeac who wrote a volume titled "Egypte," published in 1839 - therein (ref., p. 245, col.1) Champollion-Figeac was specific:


"The Egyptian religion is a pure monotheism, which manifests itself externally as a symbolic polytheism."

The passage from Utterance 600 that I mentioned above - demonstrates the point



james
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[Freddy]

Good morning Singularity

You wrote) Hate to tell you this, but 'monotheistic' means only one god. They would have been 'polytheistic'.

Ans) I'm fully aware that 'monotheistic' means only one god. But you failed to capitalize "God."

The Egyptian religion evolved from pre-Dynastic times and was "monotheistic." While at the same time they had a pantheon of gods (little g); (namely) Atum, Shu, Tefenet, Geb, Nut, Osiris, Isis, Seth, and Nephthys

But there were two Atums. One the father and one the son.

The father Atum was the supreme being.

The Pyramid Texts are the authority as they predate all other literature and they introduce the full pantheon. Read the following passage carefully and you'll see the Father and Son reference.

Utterance 600, § 1655 from the Pyramid Texts

quote) O you Great Ennead which is on On, (namely) Atum, Shu, Tefenet, Geb, Nut, Osiris, Isis, Seth, and Nephthys; O you children of Atum

NOTE the two Atums: "(namely Atum)" and "(O you children of Atum)"

Father and son!

james
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Does not this utterance 600 simply say that Atum had nine children and that the king/pharaoh was also a child of Atum?

"Out of these waters, the god Atum rose. Pyramid Text Utterance 600 records this theology:

Atum-Kheprer, you have come to be high on the hill, you have arisen on the Ben-ben stone in the mansion of the Benu-bird in Heliopolis, you spat out Shu, you expectorated Tefnut, and you put your two arms around them as the arms of a ka-symbol, so that your ka might be in them … O great Ennead which is in Heliopolis - Atum, Shu, Tefnut, Geb, Nut, Osiris, Isis, Set, Nephthys - children of Atum, extend his heart to his child, the king, in your name of Nine Bows."

http://www.egyptologyonline.com/religion.htm

[equestrian]

Freddy wrote) Does not this utterance 600 simply say that Atum had nine children and that the king/pharaoh was also a child of Atum?

You raised an interesting question - but in the Pyramid Texts, Atum is everywhere the supreme creative God.

For instance, in Utterance 527 we find this reference to Atum as the supreme creative God: "Atum is he who once came into being, who masturbated in On. He took his phallus in his grasp that he might create orgasm by means of it, and so were born the twins Shu and Tefenet."

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The hyphenated names like Atum-Khoprer that you mentioned are an interesting study. They are not unlike the hyphenated names today. The second word is a modifier. Atum-Khoprer, for instance, is a reference to an esteemed entity, where Khoprer means shining one. So Atum-Khoprer means Atum-(oh shining one).

The definition for shining one is here: Utterance 662, O shining one! O shining one! O Khoprer! O Khoprer!

The ka-symbol represents the arms raised in adoration! As we might expect with "Atum-(oh shining one)."

On-line material IMO is always questionable that's why I restrict my research to the Pyramid Texts

james

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[James Random]

And I thought this was going to be an interesting thread on Ancient Egypt as regards to them having lightbulbs and electricity and the mystery surrounding the construction of the pyramids.:(

[equestrian]

James Random said) And I thought this was going to be an interesting thread on Ancient Egypt as regards to them having light bulbs and electricity and the mystery surrounding the construction of the pyramids

You are right about electricity! There is a mural in Luxor that shows heavy bronze colored terminals and the flail with a form of electricity flowing from it. It's not meaningful though until you understand the icon that we know as the Eye of Horus. This one is glamorized but it is accurate
http://bazaarinegypt.com/catalog/images/EP020.jpg

There is another Eye of Horus that is called the Wedjat Eye of Horus, but it is Dogon. Here is an image
http://www.kingtutshop.com/freeinfopic/eye-ho2.gif

The Wedjat Eye of Horus adds up to 63/64 as everyone knows - but if they'd read the Dogon account it is clear where the other 1/64 is

It's all there for someone willing to read the ancient literature.

james
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[3rDShifT]

Whatever you do JR, don't lose that sense of humor!!!

[James Random]

James Random said) And I thought this was going to be an interesting thread on Ancient Egypt as regards to them having light bulbs and electricity and the mystery surrounding the construction of the pyramids

You are right about electricity! There is a mural in Luxor that shows heavy bronze colored terminals and the flail with a form of electricity flowing from it. It's not meaningful though until you understand the icon that we know as the Eye of Horus. This one is glamorized but it is accurate
http://bazaarinegypt.com/catalog/images/EP020.jpg

There is another Eye of Horus that is called the Wedjat Eye of Horus, but it is Dogon. Here is an image
http://www.kingtutshop.com/freeinfopic/eye-ho2.gif

The Wedjat Eye of Horus adds up to 63/64 as everyone knows - but if they'd read the Dogon account it is clear where the other 1/64 is

It's all there for someone willing to read the ancient literature.

james
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I know I'm right. I've seen a working model of the lightbulb.... works very well. Not as bright as a modern light bulb, but certainly enough to light your way through the darkness of the pyramids. If you ever been to the pyramids you'll notice that there are no fixtures for Flame based torches on the walls.

[equestrian]

No soot from lamps have been found in the pyramids to my knowledge

But the secret to ancient Egypt is in the Eye of Horus. He was not a god - he was an icon who gained godly status.
http://bazaarinegypt.com/catalog/images/EP020.jpg

The Egyptians had a cosmology (a theory of the origin of the earth) that far exceeds our own. Not that some don't understand - it is that scientists (academia) won't accept it even tho' all the evidence is in favor of the Egyptian cosmology

james
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[Freddy]

No soot from lamps have been found in the pyramids to my knowledge

But the secret to ancient Egypt is in the Eye of Horus. He was not a god - he was an icon who gained godly status.
http://bazaarinegypt.com/catalog/images/EP020.jpg

The Egyptians had a cosmology (a theory of the origin of the earth) that far exceeds our own. Not that some don't understand - it is that scientists (academia) won't accept it even tho' all the evidence is in favor of the Egyptian cosmology

james
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Could you provide a link for the Egyptian Cosmology?

[equestrian]

Freddy asks) Could you provide a link for the Egyptian Cosmology?

I had it on my website but it got a bit expensive - and you can't find it in a link. So the best alternative is to study the Eye of Horus, the planet Jupiter, and passages from the Pyramid Texts.

5000 years ago the people along the Nile valley of Egypt developed a science around the belief that the earth was created deep within Jupiter, and that, as Horus of the Gods, it was expelled and settled into solar orbit. This is the story as it was written.

JUPITER known in Egypt as Osiris the King (a.k.a, Jove; a.k.a, Zeus) was the King of the Gods, the ruler of Olympus and the patron of the Roman state.

The first passage we'll look at from the Pyramid Texts § 1806, reads this way.

"O Osiris the King, the gods have knit together your face for you and Horus has given you his Eye, that you may see with it."

Notice all the points in common between the Eye of Horus and Jupiter

http://bazaarinegypt.com/catalog/images/EP020.jpg

http://www.gearthblog.com/images/images2006/jupiter.jpg

james
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[Freddy]

The "science" around the "belief" that the Earth came from Jupiter. Cannot wait for the empirical evidence for that "science".

[equestrian]

Freddy wrote) The "science" around the "belief" that the Earth came from Jupiter. Cannot wait for the empirical evidence for that "science".

I don't know what you mean well enough to respond

james
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[Prometheus]

p...Maya-Quiché

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I prefer Quiché Lorraine. personally. Not Illumanatied though, that's what the microwave is for. :bondage: