A Political Cartoon I made

[Chrisboe4ever]

I doodled it while listening to the "news."

http://img11.exs.cx/img11/8813/scan42.jpg

And I agree with the dialogue. Kerry is just as bad as Bush, but he'll be smart about things. Our economy will be better and he'll kill as many people as Bush, but he'll do it with that charming smile and not that little smirk that Bush has. :)

[Defiant Noquisi]

And I agree with the dialogue. Kerry is just as bad as Bush, but he'll be smart about things. Our economy will be better and he'll kill as many people as Bush, but he'll do it with that charming smile and not that little smirk that Bush has. :) Im not so sure that the smirk thing is what is going to compell me to vote Kerry, but Id love to see what you can do with Bush as a chimp...... :grin

[stewey]

Actually, president has very little to do with economy. Congress does spending, not the president. Economies fluctuate naturally in capitalism. Sadly, however, the difference between Republicans and Democrats is very small. Although a bigger difference in parties than in Canada!

[Defiant Noquisi]

Maybe not directly, but what they do or do not do while in office certainly does.

[VegasRonin]

Actually, president has very little to do with economy. Invading and occupying Iraq hasn't had any impact on the economy?
Creating a Homeland Security Dept. hasn't had an impact on the ecomony?
There's just too many examples to name but you get the jist of it, don't ya? :devsmoke:

[Conservative Front]

Iraqi war budget and Homeland security where voted in by the Congress and Senate (**Congress Vote was Yes (R) 221 (D) 19 No (R) 0 (D) 200 (I) 1) I don't remember the senate vote but yes infact the Congress and senate do control what the budget is stewey is certainly correct.

Plus Kerry wants to raise Taxes and get rid of Bush's tax cuts which means less money for you, more money for the government and you might not be able to afford that new T.V. because you're moneys going to the Democrats.



**Information provided by C-Span

[humanhybrid]

Plus Kerry wants to raise Taxes and get rid of Bush's tax cuts which means less money for you, more money for the government and you might not be able to afford that new T.V. because you're moneys going to the Democrats.
It will not effect me or you so much as it would be for someone that has millions. Are any of us here worth over a million, how many corporate owners that have a large cash flow posting here? I HATE to vote for Kerry but I will only to get the chicken hawks out of the presidency, Is he any better probably not! I do think that he would work with the world community before making rash decisions "like invading a soverein country" based on biased and false information. good day

[Conservative Front]

It won't affect us to the degree that it will effect people who make millions. However it will still effect us if Kerry repremends all the tax cuts Bush made we will have a tax hike that will effect the everyday working joe. plus if Kerry raise taxes on Corporations that will cause inflations and the Prices of goods/accessories/etc... Could possibly have a higher price tag on them that and we will be paying higher state taxes on goods. for an example look at Clintons platform he also claimed the Tax hikes would only affect the rich but that was debunked within his first 2 years of Office.

[Chrisboe4ever]

Here is just some good things about raising taxes:

It'll put more money into the American Treasurey that was robbed by Bush and his Pirate fellow pirates (ever realized what Skull and Bones are? It's a pirate flag =p ). The more money in the treasurey, the government can help bail out our economy. That means the dollar will be worth more in the near future, meaning inflation would go down. Sure, it'll be bumpy at first, but you can't expect us to get out of an economic ditch like right now without some hardships.

And yes, Kerry is in the same Skull and Bones as Bush was. And I do believe he'll steal money, too. Just not as much, and not as obvious as Bush.

[humanhybrid]

Reality check! I cant recall having to pay so much for a gallon of gas have you? Everything is costing more, which I hope you know effects the prices down hill. Its far better to pay for regulatory limits so that prices can be controlled. You see regulatory affairs put people to work. Deregulation puts to much money in the fat pig. :devsmoke:

[stewey]

Eh, it depends on how it is spent. With 9/11 and the following wars, I doubt that having Gore in office would have made a big difference. Gore would have invaded Iraq and Afghanistan also, we would be in very similar to the same situation now, only Republicans would be protesting the war instead of Democrats.

[Chrisboe4ever]

Reality check! I cant recall having to pay so much for a gallon of gas have you? Everything is costing more, which I hope you know effects the prices down hill. Its far better to pay for regulatory limits so that prices can be controlled. You see regulatory affairs put people to work. Deregulation puts to much money in the fat pig. :devsmoke:

Hey! At least you guys pay less than half of what we in Japan pay for gas. And a good thing about paying more for gas is that it decreases it's demand, and would help promote studies to find alternative energy sources besides fossil fuels. The high prices of gas here in Japan and every other country in the world besides amreica (and possibly canada) has sparked many scientific studies in finding alternative energy. America has these programs but they aren't as well funded because the people don't have that big of a problem with their 2 bucks a gallon, so the research doesn't progress quickly.

If the american people had to pay 5 bucks a gallon like in England, those alternative energy researchers would get more green to do their work. I for one welcome the rise in gas prices. It doesn't really bother me because I walk and ride my bike everywhere.

And all other products are costing more because people are being laid off so their bosses can keep their big salaries. They raise the prices of their products because with so few workers, the products are harder to make.

[Defiant Noquisi]

I cant believe you would drag old, stagnant news like Gore into this.

Blaming rising fuel prices on Bush isnt really going to prove anything. You might be able to prove they wouldnt have been raised as much as they have, but you cant logically place the entire blame on him. Prices for most everything raise every year, its normal.

Id rather give up that measly tax break and have it used where it will do some good. Like protecting my dad's Social Security payments or a better prescription drug program. This is no gaurentee it would be used wisely, but Ill take the bet that it will be more likely that it will be.

Engaging in a costly war and taking away benefits from our elderly while giving out tax cuts is plain irresponsible. Likewise, our military personell dont make squat in comparison to what they do for us. Raise my taxes, Ill gladly pay for those things. In fact, I like what Peru does. They engage in a global investment system rather than a stagnant cash waster like Social Security. When a Peruvian retires, there is enough money in their personal account that they can retire comfortably (not rich) and have their medical and personal needs met. Its not "perfect", no system is. But it beats casting old people out on the street or killing them from stress because they cant pay their bills. Dont blame it on them not preparing for retirment either. When they were young additional retirement wasnt needed and its not their fault for living longer.

I cant stand bleeding heart liberalism the same as I cant stand ultra-rightwing conservativism. It may be an "Indian thing" but there is a hell of alot of value in old people. We should be taking care of them not making their end days harder each year. One of these days we will be there too.

Dont blame the rich either. They used their heads and created the situations they are in now because they educated themselves and acted on it. They are the bastions of the materialistic, financial American Dream. Conservative Public Enemy #1 Michael Moore is now one of them while being an arrogant liberal no less. Dont blast the rich for attaining their idea of success. Discover what you feel your own success is and act on it, make it happen for yourself instead of whining about it.

Yeah so idiots lied and ran companies like Enron into the ground. If people took collective interest in what is going on around them and not just what is right under their nose, there would be less of a chance of things like that happening. In fact, it had been mentioned in the news a few times that the numbers wernt matching up but little attention was paid to the few who reported it. Maybe if people wernt so caught up in a soap opera like "Monicagate" they migh have noticed it. :Bott:

[dutchie]

American (as well as European) economics aren't determined by what Bush does (although he does his best), the WORLD determines what the WORLD's economy does. You people give yourself too much credit. The price of oil is peaking because the Chinese are growing thirstier by the day.

[Chrisboe4ever]

That is true. The Chinese population is very dramatically developing a much larger middle class. A middle class that wants to have all the things the american middle class has. Pretty soon it won't be oil we'll be fighting for, but maybe even food. And it wars about food would happen so much easier than wars today. I mean, how many american people do you think would have been against the Iraq War II if they had food and the people of america were starving? Just a thought.

[humanhybrid]

Dont blame the rich either. They used their heads and created the situations they are in now because they educated themselves and acted on it. They are the bastions of the materialistic, financial American Dream. Conservative Public Enemy #1 Michael Moore is now one of them while being an arrogant liberal no less. Dont blast the rich for attaining their idea of success. Discover what you feel your own success is and act on it, make it happen for yourself instead of whining about it. I guess the rich namely certain key administative individuals do use their head. Specifically when a theater of such magnitude is used to occupy a country. I guess its ok to lie and misrepresent things in order to reach an objective, and then hold no one accountable. WHAT HOGWASH!

[Defiant Noquisi]

I guess the rich namely certain key administative individuals do use their head. Specifically when a theater of such magnitude is used to occupy a country. I guess its ok to lie and misrepresent things in order to reach an objective, and then hold no one accountable. WHAT HOGWASH! Ok Princess of the Rebellion, just what have you done to change things? Or are you great with whining about it via keyboard? Too afraid that you would have to own up to your own responsibility as an American citizen? You are just as twisted as CF only in the other direction. Ill bet you believe that EVERY RICH PERSON IN THE US is just some mangled cold hearted crooked bastard dont you? Why do you blast the rich? Jealous of what they have? BTW, the above certainly can apply to the occupation of North America, since it describes it quite accurately. Where will you build your castle now Princess?

You are no different than Michael Moore, you use the above for a quote while conveniently leaving out THIS from the SAME post...


Yeah so idiots lied and ran companies like Enron into the ground. If people took collective interest in what is going on around them and not just what is right under their nose, there would be less of a chance of things like that happening. In fact, it had been mentioned in the news a few times that the numbers wernt matching up but little attention was paid to the few who reported it. Maybe if people wernt so caught up in a soap opera like "Monicagate" they might have noticed it.

You are no different than a politician. You choose to use deceit to further your political agenda. SHAME ON YOU HH!! SHAME ON YOU!!! ala your close pal and hero Michael Moore. Just that performance alone deserved an award of its own.

And just like you said...


I guess its ok to lie and misrepresent things in order to reach an objective, and then hold no one accountable. That is SOOOOO priceless I had to quote it TWICE!!! Its okay for you to subject others to this view but you certainly seem to draw the line when it comes to yourself. :ohmy:

[Conservative Front]

The Sauds also weren't cutting Oil production that might explain it. however regulation on business and such can cause produce lines to remain the same prices but taxes can fulcuate at will giving the government the money seems like your suggest that we fuel a big government over a business owner??
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[humanhybrid]

That is SOOOOO priceless I had to quote it TWICE!!! Its okay for you to subject others to this view but you certainly seem to draw the line when it comes to yourself You are unfair Defiant Noquisi. I did not say "EVERY RICH PERSON IN THE US is just some mangled cold hearted crooked bastard did I? And while its not fair I might ask you; what have you done to change things? Or are you great with whining about it via keyboard.
You are no different than a politician. You choose to use deceit to further your political agenda. SHAME ON YOU HH!! SHAME ON YOU!!! What deceit Defiant Noquisi? With all due respect.

[Defiant Noquisi]

You are unfair Defiant Noquisi. I did not say "EVERY RICH PERSON IN THE US is just some mangled cold hearted crooked bastard did I? And while its not fair I might ask you; what have you done to change things? Or are you great with whining about it via keyboard. Nice way to deflect me asking you if you believedwhat I had said rather than answering it which I do notice, you still havent answered. Likewise, you answer my question with a question. This might imply that either you are afraid to answer or have nothing intelligent to say. You are also implying that it is unfair to ask you a question.

I am far from whining about anything. Ive had weapons held by state troopers pointed at my chest and been tear gassed which might tell you how far I have gone and am willing go. I also have an honorable discharge from the United States Marine Corps. Not only am I willing to "go all the way" in defense of Indigenous people, I am also willing to do the same for my country regardless of my dislike of its politics.


What deceit Defiant Noquisi? With all due respect. I shouldnt have to explain it twice. By using only one of my quotes instead of both, you completely changed the argument I posed. In doing so you resorted to a similar procedure of deceit that politicians use to further your own agenda. In other words, you misrepresented what I was saying.

Im not putting you down for your passion or beliefs. Im trying to point out to you that many of the same things you say and the way that you say them, are no different than the people you attack in your posts. While you have every right to question the price of gasoline, placing the blame entirely on Bush is misrepresenting the true facts of the price hikes. I also know that it would be virtually impossible for you to pack all of your kids around in a Metro.

I also see that you avoid any discussion of the fact that America's citizens are just as responsible for the actions of the government as the government themselves. You are quick to blame Bush and others without holding your neighbors, freinds and yourself equally responsible. Ill bet that not all of them take the time to vote yet make plenty of time for grumbling.

Telling me what is wrong and why its wrong is one thing. Telling me how I might correct it and acting accordingly yourself is where the beauty of knowledge lies.

Think about it, do you teach your kids or do you yell at them all day and tell them they are wrong?

[humanhybrid]

Telling me what is wrong and why its wrong is one thing. Telling me how I might correct it and acting accordingly yourself is where the beauty of knowledge lies. Im telling you Defiant Noquisi that the administartion that we currently have are the worse things to happen to our presidency in our lifetime. And it currently seems that you want to blame everyone, while we all knew who stood in front of the american public and skillfully and methodically lied and misrepresented the truth. It was not the american public. Sorry Defiant Noquisi, beleive as you wish. And do as you feel you must with what you know. You too are admirable for your stances, and honorable. I appreciate my time being able to keyboard with you now and then. good day!

[Defiant Noquisi]

Im telling you Defiant Noquisi that the administartion that we currently have are the worse things to happen to our presidency in our lifetime. And it currently seems that you want to blame everyone, while we all knew who stood in front of the american public and skillfully and methodically lied and misrepresented the truth.

Let me get this straight, you visited this thread...

http://forums.armageddononline.org/showthread.php?t=2463

so I am assuming to read my post no? How can you possibly blame everything on just Bush and his administration or only Bush? Im not saying dont include him and Im not saying he isnt guilty of lying. Im telling you that if the people of this country would get up off their fat lazy asses, put the Big Mac, the Budweiser and the remote control down and actually pay attention to whats going on around them outside of them scratching their nutz, these things would probably not occur. Instead they are blind as most of life passes them by. As soon as 9/11 had occured, you saw all the flag wavers and stores couldnt keep up with the demand correct?

So, where were they before 9/11 hmm?

Of course Im going to point this out and say that everyone is responsible. If this nation wasnt so apathetic as well as arrogant things like this wouldnt be occuring. It (meaning lies and bs) would come as no surprise because it probably wouldnt happen in the first place.

And you again avoid answering questions.

[humanhybrid]

And you again avoid answering questions. Im sorry I will answer questions when they are relevant and a need for them to be answered good day!

[Defiant Noquisi]

Im sorry I will answer questions when they are relevant and a need for them to be answered good day! So in other words, just like a politician YOU will be deciding for ME (by answering or not) what I can and cant ask and what is important and/or relevant or not even though it may be to ME.

So just like Bush, you will be deciding for me what I can and cant know, and when I can know it.

I knew it, you are no better. :Bott: