Karma, Spirituality, Light and Darkside of the Force

[Kenobi]

ok 1st post from me peeps so hello.

My first post is in someway the thing that most scares me and and the same time most fills me with hope.

I believe in heaven, i have lost loved ones and I NEED to believe i will be with them again.

So if heaven exists how do I get there. Well i come from a catholic background. Never really went to church on sunday but always had a very good sense of what was spiritually right and wrong. Like the darkside and the lightside of the force. A points system if you will. ie help an old lady across the road +1 good point. Laugh at a fat kid -1 bad point, etc etc.

So over your general lifetime we all amass points, be them good or bad and at the end if we're in the positive side, heaven awaits. points more in the negative and hellfire on toast for an eternity.

I believe karma plays a big part in our lives, either that or life/god has a wicked sense of humour.

So much like repenting for my previous sins i find myself doing good/positive things. In a truly jedi way i try and help the weak, i try and live within the rules, pay my taxes, feed my children do all the right things.

So, is this going to get me into heaven should it exist? I hope so.

I truly believe the end is near and im trying to get as many plus points as I can before it happens.

I wont describe my vision of the end of things yet but i do like this forum and I will be enjoying reading through it over the next few weeks.

Hi to all of you and I wish you all love and understanding.

your new jedi friend

Kenobi:thumbs:

[Cartesiantheater]

If you really want to take no chances?

*Keep doing good works

*Confess your sins and REPENT of them (i.e. don't do them any more)

*Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior

*Love your neighbor as you love yourself and love God with all your mind, heart and soul.

*Believe that there is one God (Allah, PBUH) and Mohammed (PBUH) is his prophet.

*Exhort others to truth, and exhort others (and yourself) to patience and perseverance (Islam)

*Adhere to the Five Pillars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Pillars_of_Islam)

*Respect the prophets

*Be lucky enough to have been born into the right caste. If you weren't, just be sure to do good deeds every chance you have the option to chose between good and evil so that next time you're born you can move to the next highest caste.

*Meditate often, aim to free yourself from the desires of this world and contemplate on emptiness in your mind.



There are some others but I can't recall off the top of my head.

[debonnaire]

welcome Kenobi,

yeah , naturally our wrongs overweight our goods :]

You seem to be a moral person able to discern, and seems like eternity is in your heart.
"getting in heaven" though is not obtained by efforts of man to get in,
but is a gift of God ( so that no one "boast" ).

anyway , looking to read more from you and your vision of the end of things.

:bye:

[Goldmoon]

Put an end to religion & works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lnB38K-gmc

This video contains a message from God for you! No matter who you are and what you've done, God wants you to hear this.
Feel free to contact me if you have any questions after viewing this video.

I really suggest you guys watch this.

[Truth Files]

*Believe that there is one God (Allah, PBUH) and Mohammed (PBUH) is his prophet."

>Not true

Here is the truth:

John
14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Kneobi,

Welcome to the forum

No one can be saved by their works .... the believer is saved by the Lord's grace by faith that He is willing and able to save them

One must choose willingly to seek the Lord and His offer of salvation .... then it becomes reasonable for the believer to want to serve Him out of thanks giving by striving to please Him with their behavior in this life

Salvation first .... works second

Galatians
2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Revelation
20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

.... and we may be very close to the time of the end of this present age, but the Lord has not revealed the beginning of His second advent

However, it come before this day is over .... and know this:

1Corinthians
15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep [in physical death], but we shall all be changed [immortalized],

15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

1Thessalonians
4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him [these will not be left in the grave].

4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep [these shall be awakened first].

4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

4:17 Then we [those who will not have time to experience physical death] which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

[Cartesiantheater]

*Believe that there is one God (Allah, PBUH) and Mohammed (PBUH) is his prophet."

>Not true

Here is the truth:



Me thinks someone missed the obvious point of me post.

And why did you only take issue with that one Islamic idea? There were other Islamic ideas, and Hindu and Buddhist too. Are you okay with all these other belief systems?

[Truth Files]

"And why did you only take issue with that one Islamic idea? There were other Islamic ideas, and Hindu and Buddhist too. Are you okay with all these other belief systems?"

>No

>One either believes the scriptures of the O.T. and N.T or they do not

>There is no other way to be saved except by Jesus Christ

>All other offers are off the table according to the Bible .... His Word

>There is only one way to be saved .... no other options

[MaximumPain]

If you really want to take no chances?

*Keep doing good works

*Confess your sins and REPENT of them (i.e. don't do them any more)

*Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior

*Love your neighbor as you love yourself and love God with all your mind, heart and soul.

*Believe that there is one God (Allah, PBUH) and Mohammed (PBUH) is his prophet.

*Exhort others to truth, and exhort others (and yourself) to patience and perseverance (Islam)

*Adhere to the Five Pillars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Pillars_of_Islam)

*Respect the prophets

*Be lucky enough to have been born into the right caste. If you weren't, just be sure to do good deeds every chance you have the option to chose between good and evil so that next time you're born you can move to the next highest caste.

*Meditate often, aim to free yourself from the desires of this world and contemplate on emptiness in your mind.



There are some others but I can't recall off the top of my head.

You forgot die in battle fighting. Of course then you get to go to Valhalla and fight the hopeless battle of Ragnarok but at least there will be hot chicks and warm ale!

[MaximumPain]

"And why did you only take issue with that one Islamic idea? There were other Islamic ideas, and Hindu and Buddhist too. Are you okay with all these other belief systems?"

>No

>One either believes the scriptures of the O.T. and N.T or they do not

>There is no other way to be saved except by Jesus Christ

>All other offers are off the table according to the Bible .... His Word

>There is only one way to be saved .... no other options

If thats true then god (your version of him) is a raging prick who is evil (in fact created evil). god has destroyed the souls of 2/3 rds of all the humans who have ever existed, murdered innocent children, ordered his followers to commit genocide and even advocated slavery.

Im so tired of you bullshit Christians and your "our way is the one and only way". Why do you insist on trying to stuff a God who created an entire universe into a little box of your own making?

[UVsaturated]

If you have faith that can move mountains; if you can do great works and miracles, and have not love you have done nothing. Seek first God's love in you and then apply it to others. Love is the standard by which all things are measured.

[Truth Files]

"If thats true then god (your version of him) is a raging prick who is evil (in fact created evil). god has destroyed the souls of 2/3 rds of all the humans who have ever existed, murdered innocent children, ordered his followers to commit genocide and even advocated slavery.

Im so tired of you bullshit Christians and your "our way is the one and only way". Why do you insist on trying to stuff a God who created an entire universe into a little box of your own making?"

>Your demeanor and language tells me much about you

>Those who take your position .... your's is quite rebellious by the way .... have no hope beyond the grave

>Better seek the Lord Jesus Christ before it is too late .... time is of the essence for you

[MaximumPain]

You should learn the quote feature it works quite well.

See I have no problem with Jesus Christ or the creator God. I'm not sure they exist but I have no problem with them. My problem is with Christians and the "our way or the highway" mentality. See I only have a problem with your limited version of God and your insistence that 2/3rds of humans aren't worthy of going to heaven because they didn't accept your version of God.

I said the prayer to accept Jesus into my heart, I have read the Bible at least some of it, I have been baptized and confirmed, I even went to church at least part of the time for most of my life. But I never caught the brainwashing and it never really made sense to me.

Feel free to worship all you want, spew your version of a book that has been rewritten so many times its lost its original meaning. A book that was designed by men to control and oppress their fellow humans. But when you try to tell people that yours is the only way expect a little bit of feed back. Any God that would order his chosen people to slay every man, women, and child, and even beast in a city is an evil god a destroyer. Why would you worship such a god?


21And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.
Sounds like something the Nazi's would do.

And you didn't answer my question.
Why do you insist on trying to stuff a God who created an entire universe into a little box of your own making?"

[Cartesiantheater]

You forgot die in battle fighting. Of course then you get to go to Valhalla and fight the hopeless battle of Ragnarok but at least there will be hot chicks and warm ale!

Sh*t, so I did! You might need THOR'S HAMMER if you go that route!


http://kinomarkt.ch/osCommerce/images/SS3811.jpg

[MaximumPain]

Sh*t, so I did! You might need THOR'S HAMMER if you go that route!


http://kinomarkt.ch/osCommerce/images/SS3811.jpg

Nice pic of Mjollnir!

[Truth Files]

"And you didn't answer my question.
Why do you insist on trying to stuff a God who created an entire universe into a little box of your own making?"

>I did answer .... straight out .... you just do not accept the Bible for what it claims to be .... if you did your position would be entirely different

.... but thanks for your response anyway .... you make a good case study

>The world just before the noahic flood:

Genesis
6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

>The condition of the world today [ripe for the next judgment]:

2Timothy
3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

The Lord's view of the world:

Psalms
2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.

2:5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

[Cartesiantheater]

If you have faith that can move mountains;

So why doesn't anyone?

[MaximumPain]

Umm Jericho was after the flood Truth files. And the act described was genocide... even the children Truth Files! They butchered babies in the name of their God!! Slaughtered them with the sword.

WHAT THE FUCK!!! That is the action of monsters not followers of a good God.

Hey does that make the Jews responsible for the first recorded genocide?

[MaximumPain]

If you have faith that can move mountains; if you can do great works and miracles, and have not love you have done nothing. Seek first God's love in you and then apply it to others. Love is the standard by which all things are measured.

Now that I am down with that. But does a loving God slaughter babies by the sword?

[Truth Files]

"Umm Jericho was after the flood Truth files. And the act described was genocide... even the children Truth Files! They butchered babies in the name of their God!! Slaughtered them with the sword.

WHAT THE FUCK!!! That is the action of monsters not followers of a good God.

Hey does that make the Jews responsible for the first recorded genocide?"

MP,

You are a disgusting reprobate ..... game over

[Cartesiantheater]

"Umm Jericho was after the flood Truth files. And the act described was genocide... even the children Truth Files! They butchered babies in the name of their God!! Slaughtered them with the sword.

WHAT THE FUCK!!! That is the action of monsters not followers of a good God.

Hey does that make the Jews responsible for the first recorded genocide?"

MP,

You are a disgusting reprobate ..... game over

You know, you could try rebutting his point instead of running away like an angry child (I mean that's why we're all here on this discussion and debate forum, after all).

But that is better than what your typical extremist Muslim would do to him, so kudos to you.

[MaximumPain]

Just hit the quote key under the post. You get some nice brackets to clearly show what the other poster typed. Once you master that you can multi-quote.



MP,

You are a disgusting reprobate ..... game over

First of all let me apologize for my use of profanity. Its something I'm trying to work on.

Ahh so I am Dammed for saying I think the slaughter of babies is an atrocity?

Or is it for doubting what some people claim is the word of God?

I know you cant agree that the slaughter of a people if so ordered by the creator was evil. In fact you dare not piss this jealous God off. They must have been corrupt and evil like me, like all of us who are damned to hell because we don't follow some peoples vision of the truth.

I'll bet you think I'm possessed by a demon or something? I play a lot of D&D and listen to heavy metal. Did I get it from those evil things?

[Truth Files]

"I'll bet you think I'm possessed by a demon or something? I play a lot of D&D and listen to heavy metal. Did I get it from those evil things?"

>You might be .... all humans are vulnerable to the devil's meddling without the full armor of the Lord's Word and His salvation

>You would get "it" only because you allow and are willingly submissive .... and because of your rejection of His Word

.... I myself am a key board player and heavy metal rocker .... and I reject satan and his minions hands down

[MaximumPain]

>You might be .... all humans are vulnerable to the devil's meddling without the full armor of the Lord's Word and His salvation

>You would get "it" only because you allow and are willingly submissive .... and because of your rejection of His Word

.... I myself am a key board player and heavy metal rocker .... and I reject satan and his minions hands down

Well it only follows that if I am angry about a genocide I would not follow satan. I would never submit to possession by any entity if I had the power to resist. In fact I reject satan and his minions and seek only what is good for humankind and our one and only bio-sphere.

[Truth Files]

Pain,

Good to hear this above

Sounds like you are one who can seek the Lord Jesus Christ .... if you will

Here is how it goes:

Diligently seek Him ... do not cease until you find Him .... He will reveal Himself to you

Know that the Bible is what it claims to be and study it .... go after it

He will lead you to the truth about Him, yourself, why you exist, how He views humanity, and what His intentions are

He is both God and human and will accept you just as you are, but you must recognize that He is the Lord and there is none other

All things were made through Him and by Him and if you want to discover the truth about Him you must not reject His Word [the Bible].... there is no other source available to mankind that can be relied upon for truth [John 1:1-14; Revelation 1:1-19]

Keep in mind that His is God and He does what He intends regardless of what we may think about His actions .... He knows all things and moves everything toward His objectives .... it is His creation .... not ours ...and He is the Lord .... we are not

Are you living in an old man's rubble,
Are you listening to the father of lies?
If you are then you better be careful
If you listen too long you'll eventually die

Are you walking with unnecessary burdens,
Are you trying to take them upon yourself?
If you are, then you're living in bondage,
And you know that's bad for your spiritual health.

Are you puzzled by the way that you're behaving,
Do you wonder why you do the things you do?
And are you troubled by your lack of resistance,
Do you feel that something's got a hold on you?

And are you trying to live by your emotions,
Are you putting your faith in what you feel and see?
Then you're living just to satisfy your passions,
And you better be careful 'cause you're being deceived.

Are you living in an old man's rubble,
Are you listening to the father of lies?
If you are then you're headed for trouble;
If you listen too long you'll eventually die.

[MaximumPain]

I like Jesus... I'm not entirely sure he was real but I like him none the less. See I cant force myself to believe I've tried many times and it doesn't work. I need evidence to convince my skeptical mind and my doubts about the motives of the men who have crafted the Bible makes that very hard.

What would be your recommendation to read from the new testament?

Just one book at a time please. Also do you have a favorite version of the Bible? I think I have a king James and a NIV version at home, of course its all on the net now.

[Prometheus]

If you have faith that can move mountains;

Excellent!!! Please move this for me, a little to the left, it's blocking a great view of China...




http://www.topworld.com/traveler/news/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/mount-everest.jpg

[MaximumPain]

You still with us Kenobi?

"Help me obi wan your our only hope"

[Cartesiantheater]

Excellent!!! Please move this for me, a little to the left, it's blocking a great view of China...




http://www.topworld.com/traveler/news/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/mount-everest.jpg


ahahahahhahahaha!


But of course, I would prefer to view the mountain. Look at it. Why would you want to look at China instead of that?





I like Jesus... I'm not entirely sure he was real but I like him none the less. See I cant force myself to believe I've tried many times and it doesn't work. I need evidence to convince my skeptical mind and my doubts about the motives of the men who have crafted the Bible makes that very hard.

What would be your recommendation to read from the new testament?

Just one book at a time please. Also do you have a favorite version of the Bible? I think I have a king James and a NIV version at home, of course its all on the net now.

The Book of Revelation by far is the most entertaining of them.

The Old Testament I would recommend Ezekiel. Awesome read (maybe about aliens, haha)

http://forums.armageddononline.org/ezekiel-1-fascinating-t21029.html?

[Prometheus]

ahahahahhahahaha!


But of course, I would prefer to view the mountain. Look at it. Why would you want to look at China instead of that?


Millions of cute Chinese girls beyond them thar hills! :w00t:

[MaximumPain]

Excellent!!! Please move this for me, a little to the left, it's blocking a great view of China...




http://www.topworld.com/traveler/news/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/mount-everest.jpg


The man who moves mountains begins by carrying away small stones. - Confucius

[Truth Files]

Pain asked:,

"What would be your recommendation to read from the new testament?

Just one book at a time please. Also do you have a favorite version of the Bible? I think I have a king James and a NIV version at home, of course its all on the net now"

>I would suggest the following :

Use the KJV [particularly with regard to the prophetic visions]

Here are two very good internet sources and a Bible search engine:
http://bibledatabase.net/html/kjv/index.html
http://www.blueletterbible.org/
http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

I recommend reading Revelation first [many times] ... you will not understand it for awhile, but get familiar with it before you move on to other parts of the scripture

It is the capstone of the scriptures and it covers the vast period of beginnings and endings .... there is symbolism which must be understood and in all cases this can be achieved because all of the symbols are explained within the context of the passage and also found in other scriptures

I have discovered that the prophetic visions prove that the Bible is authentic.... otherwise I would not believe it for sure

All of the visions of the Bible prophets and the Lord's projections were scribed by numerous selected individuals who resided in different settings over centuries of time and yet when the material is all studied together it is interlocking and without contradiction and 100% accurate .... totally compatible and congruent contextually; and a perfect fit against the back drop of recorded history

When one grasps this truth one will have no problem understanding that the Bible is the word of the living God .... no other possibllity

This journey takes time and effort and there are no short cuts, but one can shorten the learning curve by finding those who have run the coarse .... unfortunately there are not many around today

I was a hardened agnostic and actually a "christian" hater who put down anyone that I considered to be foolish and unlearned enough to buy into any theology related to the Bible ... so I set out to disprove it and ended up discovering that my objective was futile and an impossibility .... I am an honest person and need the facts about anything [a natural skeptic] and if I see them I will quickly agree

I have studied the Bible and related prophetic scriptures now for over 30 years and I also have a fairly indepth knowledge of world history and geopolitical and religious movements over the coarse of time

I can guarantee you that the Bible is the Word of God with no doubt ..... and would say this today even if I did not agree with the contents

Here are some authors that I would recommend: Ray Stedman; John Walvoord, Clarence Larkin, Dwight Pentecost, Donald Barnhouse

I will be posting on this forum for a while and will be glad to answer any of your questions

You can also visit my simple website if you like

http://www.prophecy1.blogspot.com/

[Cartesiantheater]

Millions of cute Chinese girls beyond them thar hills! :w00t:

But moving a mountain?

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[Goldmoon]

Maximum Pain: "My problem is with Christians and the "our way or the highway" mentality."

Well its true, Jesus Himself told us. Either you believe and serve Jesus, or are a child of disobedience and rebellion.

"I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one can come to the Father, but through Me."

"He who is not with me, is against me."

"He who loves me, follows me, and keeps my commandments."

-Jesus

[calliope]

Well its true, Jesus Himself told us. Either you believe and serve Jesus, or are a child of disobedience and rebellion.

"I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one can come to the Father, but through Me."

"He who is not with me, is against me."

"He who loves me, follows me, and keeps my commandments."

-Jesus

Jesus was disobedient and a rebel. :thumbs:

Good man, as far as I'm concerned. :angel:

[calliope]

If you really want to take no chances?

*Keep doing good works

*Confess your sins and REPENT of them (i.e. don't do them any more)

*Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior

*Love your neighbor as you love yourself and love God with all your mind, heart and soul.

*Believe that there is one God (Allah, PBUH) and Mohammed (PBUH) is his prophet.

*Exhort others to truth, and exhort others (and yourself) to patience and perseverance (Islam)

*Adhere to the Five Pillars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Pillars_of_Islam)

*Respect the prophets

*Be lucky enough to have been born into the right caste. If you weren't, just be sure to do good deeds every chance you have the option to chose between good and evil so that next time you're born you can move to the next highest caste.

*Meditate often, aim to free yourself from the desires of this world and contemplate on emptiness in your mind.



There are some others but I can't recall off the top of my head.

There is no spoon....

Ahh...

Spoon boy: Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth.
Neo: What truth?
Spoon boy: There is no spoon.
Neo: There is no spoon?
Spoon boy: Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.

[Cartesiantheater]

Well its true, Jesus Himself told us. Either you believe and serve Jesus, or are a child of disobedience and rebellion.



It isn't that simple. You can't just BELIEVE something because someone tells you to. You can PRETEND to believe something if someone tells you, but in order to TRULY BELIEVE something it requires that you accept that it is true. No one can do that without that something passing their own truth-sorters in their brains. Some people require a low level of evidence, some a high, but either way no one can just automatically chose to believe something that in the deepest parts of them they actually don't believe.

You can WANT to believe something until the cows come home. But actually believing is another story, and I really don't think is an entirely voluntary thing.

[calliope]

ok 1st post from me peeps so hello.

My first post is in someway the thing that most scares me and and the same time most fills me with hope.

I believe in heaven, i have lost loved ones and I NEED to believe i will be with them again.

So if heaven exists how do I get there. Well i come from a catholic background. Never really went to church on sunday but always had a very good sense of what was spiritually right and wrong. Like the darkside and the lightside of the force. A points system if you will. ie help an old lady across the road +1 good point. Laugh at a fat kid -1 bad point, etc etc.

So over your general lifetime we all amass points, be them good or bad and at the end if we're in the positive side, heaven awaits. points more in the negative and hellfire on toast for an eternity.

I believe karma plays a big part in our lives, either that or life/god has a wicked sense of humour.

So much like repenting for my previous sins i find myself doing good/positive things. In a truly jedi way i try and help the weak, i try and live within the rules, pay my taxes, feed my children do all the right things.

So, is this going to get me into heaven should it exist? I hope so.

I truly believe the end is near and im trying to get as many plus points as I can before it happens.

I wont describe my vision of the end of things yet but i do like this forum and I will be enjoying reading through it over the next few weeks.

Hi to all of you and I wish you all love and understanding.

your new jedi friend

Kenobi:thumbs:

Jedi ~ May the force be with you. :alien:

[lycanox]

I hope it wont. I just enlisted.

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[calliope]

What happened to Jedi Kenobi?

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[Prometheus]

The man who moves mountains begins by carrying away small stones. - Confucius

Ah yes... "But man who walks sideways through airport turnstyle is bound to Bangkok"

[Prometheus]

"He who is not with me, is against me."
-Jesus

Hmm. Now I can see where GW got his speeches sourced from.

[Cartesiantheater]

Ah yes... "But man who walks sideways through airport turnstyle is bound to Bangkok"

lol hahahahahhaha nice.

[Lillith]

[QUOTE=Truth Files;365552]Pain asked:,

"What would be your recommendation to read from the new testament?

Just one book at a time please. Also do you have a favorite version of the Bible? I think I have a king James and a NIV version at home, of course its all on the net now"

>I would suggest the following :

Use the KJV [particularly with regard to the prophetic visions]


I recommend reading Revelation first [many times] ... you will not understand it for awhile, but get familiar with it before you move on to other parts of the scripture

Righto. Never pass up the opportunity to make a convert by having FEAR instilled right from the get go, then move on and have the mind try to reconcile the less titillating maze of horror on how to avoid the eternal damndation.

The beauty of religious mania is that it has the power to explain everything. Once God (or Satan) is accepted as the first cause of everything which happens in the mortal world, nothing is left to chance. ..or CHANGE. Once incantations such as we see now through the dark glass or mysterious are the ways he chooses His wonders to perform the miracles of all things are mastered, logic can be happily tossed out the window.

Religious mania is one of the few infallible ways of responding the the worlds vagaries because it totally eliminates pure accident, coincidence or syncronicity. To the true religious fanatic, its ALL on purpose and the result of imaginable (or unimaginable) evil aka satan or gods will.

The power of hysteria or suggestive contagion of course never comes into play or considered in religious mania.

[johnBeeone]

I like Jesus... I'm not entirely sure he was real but I like him none the less. See I cant force myself to believe I've tried many times and it doesn't work. I need evidence to convince my skeptical mind and my doubts about the motives of the men who have crafted the Bible makes that very hard.

What would be your recommendation to read from the new testament?

Just one book at a time please. Also do you have a favorite version of the Bible? I think I have a king James and a NIV version at home, of course its all on the net now.


Even not a book just read a passage first day by day that you need in your everyday living....but here's a Mnemonics a Technique.....Well of course it is very good to read 1 book or chapters a day and then another version of the book and then another version again after you have read all the version you may try to read other languages....but I know it's hard and it is impossible at first but it's not.....if you are a single man and have a BIG very BIG Patient a love a unique odd peculiar person that built inside your heart and personality through the years you can say to your self..."I'm Blind Before now I can See" If you have a kind heart always for the poor people you may start with it to understand what it is on the BIBLE.....

Psalms 119:11 I have hidden your word in my heart,
Proverbs 4:7 Bind them on your fingers;
write them on the tablet of your heart.



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First Cleanse your Heart with Purity of not thinking Sins and then PRAY TO GOD.

and then read First this as a tips for my self experience but really there is a pattern to know and understand really.

Jeremiah 6:16

16 This is what the LORD says:
"Stand at the crossroads and look;
ask for the ancient paths,
ask where the good way is, and walk in it,
and you will find rest for your souls.
But you said, 'We will not walk in it.'


Isaiah 34:16

16 Look in the scroll of the LORD and read:
None of these will be missing,
not one will lack her mate.
For it is his mouth that has given the order,
and his Spirit will gather them together.

Mark 4:11-12

11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables

12so that, " 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'[a]"


Daniel 12:4, 9-10

4 But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge."

9 He replied, "Go your way, Daniel, because the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.


I hope this Primary Verses Will you

after understanding it Deeply from it's Outer core to Inner Core Meaning Do this...1 John 4:1-3

If you are a True Humanitarian you understand me easily....


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Do not let kindness and truth leave you;
Bind them around your neck,
Write them on the tablet of your heart.

~ Proverbs 3