Big Oil Fights Back

[Cartesiantheater]

Judge blocks Gulf offshore drilling moratorium. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gulf_oil_spill)


I wonder if he got a nice gift for the judgment?


A federal judge struck down the Obama administration's six-month ban on deepwater oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico on Tuesday, saying the government rashly concluded that because one rig failed, the others are in immediate danger, too.

[...]

The lawsuit was filed by Hornbeck Offshore Services of Covington, La., and company CEO Todd Hornbeck said after the ruling he is looking forward to getting back to work.



I agree in spirit, but taking a quick break to evaluate safety is not unreasonable in my book.

[MaximumPain]

Ahh the best justice money can buy.

[Mezurashi]

so tell me again How Obama is in Big Oil's pocket ...

[Cartesiantheater]

so tell me again How Obama is in Big Oil's pocket ...

Obviously Obama was behind the judge's decision. It is a clever ruse.

[Reef Badlaw]

It's the Law. Government can't shut-down an industry-sector arbitrarily. The 33 other platforms all passed inspection within the past 12 months. Salazar's people couldn't defend the suspension of being anything other than 'arbitrary'. This was the first-ever deep-water drilling accident, so the judge didn't accept the Government's 'safety' argument.

[GamerGal]

They passed huh? The ones who literally FUCKED the government officials in the government offices got passed by the ones they fucked? Wow, didn't see that one coming. Or cumming as the case may be.

[JenaS62]

Wow - the Obama administration "misrepresented" something?? How shocking.


"The seven experts who advised President Obama on how to deal with offshore drilling safety after the Deepwater Horizon explosion are accusing his administration of misrepresenting their views to make it appear that they supported a six-month drilling moratorium -- something they actually oppose.

The experts, recommended by the National Academy of Engineering, say Interior Secretary Ken Salazar modified their report last month, after they signed it, to include two paragraphs calling for the moratorium on existing drilling and new permits."



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/10/experts-say-obama-misrepresented-views-justify-offshore-drilling-ban/

[GamerGal]

Wait, wait, the republicans block shit so BP can make more billionaires and destroy American and all you got out of it was Obama is an evil liberal socialist secret Muslim from Africa? How often do they send out the memos? Go Hive Mind! Keep using FOX NEWS for sources even though it said it wasn't a news channel but entertainment. Wow Jena, why not use the KKK website for more anti Obama propaganda? At least they admit they are open about being racist bigoted assholes.

[Reef Badlaw]

Wait, wait, the republicans block shit so BP can make more billionaires and destroy American and all you got out of it was Obama is an evil liberal socialist secret Muslim from Africa? How often do they send out the memos? Go Hive Mind! Keep using FOX NEWS for sources even though it said it wasn't a news channel but entertainment. Wow Jena, why not use the KKK website for more anti Obama propaganda? At least they admit they are open about being racist bigoted assholes.

10,000 Americans out of work if the moratorium stands. Is that supposed to be a good thing...?

[JenaS62]

Actually GG - this is how I see it. On Earth Day 2010 - two weeks after Obama announces support for off shore drilling - the BP oil rig explodes, causing the worst environmental disaster in US History. I find it a very convenient means to an end regarding Cap and Trade legislation. Although a 6 month moratorium was not part of the recommendations by the administrations 'experts' - the administration adds it in AFTER it was signed by said experts. I guess you don't see a problem with that.


**edit - GG, take your racist KKK shit and shove it up your ass.

[JenaS62]

10,000 Americans out of work if the moratorium stands. Is that supposed to be a good thing...?



In liberal minds, yes. It's more to add to the goverment dole. Keep 'em coming.

[DontBeAfraid]

I find it a very convenient means to an end regarding Cap and Trade legislationMore RETARDED conspiracy theories...

[Cartesiantheater]

In liberal minds, yes. It's more to add to the goverment dole. Keep 'em coming.

And in conservative minds like yours, it would not matter what Obama did. If he refused to try to temporarily stop oil drilling you would be here screaming about how Obama doesn't care about the environment and is in the pocket of the oil companies.

[Tired Old Man]

And in conservative minds like yours, it would not matter what Obama did. If he refused to try to temporarily stop oil drilling you would be here screaming about how Obama doesn't care about the environment and is in the pocket of the oil companies.

BO cares about the environment about as much as Al Gore. How much money and power can he control while pretending to care . Maybe we can give him another Noble Prize for saying plug the damn hole. I am sure the government already knows why and what went wrong with this oil rig. Could it be they need six months to fix the other oil rigs ? Or six months of oil leaking into the gulf to push a political agenda. Hey if Bush could use WMD's to go to war I am sure this current administration can use an oil leak to pass cap and trade. Same old game just a different player up to bat.
There could be a good reason why we can't stop the oil leak. But there is no good reason why we don't have ever available oil skimming ship in the Gulf. Ok I was wrong on that part. Lack of leadership is why.....

[JenaS62]

More RETARDED conspiracy theories...


It's was no longer a "theory" when Bozo did his little "shock and awe" show from the Oval office and in less than 15 minutes - brings up.....CAP AND TRADE. :doh:

[Cartesiantheater]

BO cares about the environment about as much as Al Gore. How much money and power can he control while pretending to care . Maybe we can give him another Noble Prize for saying plug the damn hole. I am sure the government already knows why and what went wrong with this oil rig. Could it be they need six months to fix the other oil rigs ? Or six months of oil leaking into the gulf to push a political agenda. Hey if Bush could use WMD's to go to war I am sure this current administration can use an oil leak to pass cap and trade. Same old game just a different player up to bat.
There could be a good reason why we can't stop the oil leak. But there is no good reason why we don't have ever available oil skimming ship in the Gulf. Ok I was wrong on that part. Lack of leadership is why.....

Then you must believe that the government's engineers are far better and more qualified than the engineers who work in the field.

Which is quite ridiculous... the federal government has ALWAYS lagged behind the private sector in terms of scientific knowledge and skill.

If the government engineers "know" then so do most other engineers. But now you have to assume that either the government has the best engineers (which is ridiculous) or that the government is somehow "keeping them quiet."

Also, see my response to Jena below, because it applies to you as well.





It's was no longer a "theory" when Bozo did his little "shock and awe" show from the Oval office and in less than 15 minutes - brings up.....CAP AND TRADE. :doh:

Do you believe that Obama likes being President?

Or do you believe that he cares more about "CAP AND TRADE" then he does about being the big dog in power in Washington?


Because this disaster, not the health care bill, not anything else, may very well be THE issue that makes him lose his reelection bid, because this will cost him some DEMOCRAT and INDEPENDENT votes, as well as Republican, whereas the others will only cost him some independent and Republican votes.

So, since you believe this retarded conspiracy theory, you must believe that Obama wants Cap and Trade more than he wants to be President.










And so the idiocy of conspiracy theories propels themselves into deeper and deeper levels of stupidity...

EDIT- let me add that when I took Psychology 101 a couple of years ago, I got the only A+ of the year on my end of semester project. Why is this relevant? My project was a survey of about 20 questions asking about certain beliefs and comparing it to education level. It covered several hundred people (students and professors) around my school. I'm sure you can guess the results. In the conspiracy theory section, almost NONE of those with PhD or Masters believed in them. Some with Bachelors degrees did. A great deal of those with just a high school education did, and the MAJORITY of those with less than a high school education believed in them. Also note that IQ correlates with education level. Hopefully you can connect the dots...

[GamerGal]

10,000 Americans out of work if the moratorium stands. Is that supposed to be a good thing...?


So the tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands out of work because of the oil spill is better? Hotels closed because of no beach goers, life guards with no jobs, fishermen/crab/prawns, restaurants that close again because of no tourism. I guess MILLIONS of people affected by this oil spill in the red states are better then the Republicans losing a few thousand jobs while destroying the Gulf.

So if we continue, if we want one crime stopped in a city, it is better we nuke the city rather then hire 5 more police officers. I like that logic. Heck, if we want all wars ended instead of working hard towards peace we should just blow up the planet.

[medicvet]

10,000 Americans out of work if the moratorium stands. Is that supposed to be a good thing...?

How about millions dead from starvation if this pollution continues?

[JenaS62]

Do you believe that Obama likes being President?

Or do you believe that he cares more about "CAP AND TRADE" then he does about being the big dog in power in Washington?


Because this disaster, not the health care bill, not anything else, may very well be THE issue that makes him lose his reelection bid, because this will cost him some DEMOCRAT and INDEPENDENT votes, as well as Republican, whereas the others will only cost him some independent and Republican votes.

So, since you believe this retarded conspiracy theory, you must believe that Obama wants Cap and Trade more than he wants to be President....


Obama, like Bush, is just a puppet. He will do what he is instructed to do by the global elite. It matters not what political party he is with since there only seems to be one now.












And so the idiocy of conspiracy theories propels themselves into deeper and deeper levels of stupidity...

EDIT- let me add that when I took Psychology 101 a couple of years ago, I got the only A+ of the year on my end of semester project. Why is this relevant? My project was a survey of about 20 questions asking about certain beliefs and comparing it to education level. It covered several hundred people (students and professors) around my school. I'm sure you can guess the results. In the conspiracy theory section, almost NONE of those with PhD or Masters believed in them. Some with Bachelors degrees did. A great deal of those with just a high school education did, and the MAJORITY of those with less than a high school education believed in them. Also note that IQ correlates with education level. Hopefully you can connect the dots...


My, I am so impressed with your knowledge and education level. I can connect the dots that you are the most self important and arrogant ass on this board. You are young and lack life experience which counts for a hell of a lot more than book experience. I have connected the dots and it points me to more government corruption just like 911. Whether you see it or not, has absolutely no bearing on it happening. It is happening right under our noses.

[GamerGal]

So Jena, again, what is worse a few thousand Republicans losing jobs with BP or the MILLIONS affected by the oil spill? The tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of jobs loss due to loss of tourism, fish, and other things damaged by the oil spill.
And hey, another post where you defend BP because the Hive Mind commanded so!

[JenaS62]

So Jena, again, what is worse a few thousand Republicans losing jobs with BP or the MILLIONS affected by the oil spill? The tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of jobs loss due to loss of tourism, fish, and other things damaged by the oil spill.
And hey, another post where you defend BP because the Hive Mind commanded so!



why don't you explain to us how a moratorium is going to stop and then clean up the BP oil gusher.

[GamerGal]

It prevents any more spills. And if it had been done earlier would have saved all these jobs now lost. Your solution is blow up every oil platform and spill all the oil possible. The good guys solution is stop it from happening again.

[James Random]

It prevents any more spills. And if it had been done earlier would have saved all these jobs now lost. Your solution is blow up every oil platform and spill all the oil possible. The good guys solution is stop it from happening again.

The party you support is equally retarded to the parties you hate, from my perspective. They've done no better (but no worse) at handling this crisis than anyone else.

Obama should have stepped up on day one. It's his country this is affecting and it is a country to whom he has a responsibility to ensure its safety in all matters. This has not been done and, for this, he is a culpable as BP.

[Cartesiantheater]

Obama, like Bush, is just a puppet. He will do what he is instructed to do by the global elite. It matters not what political party he is with since there only seems to be one now.


My, I am so impressed with your knowledge and education level. I can connect the dots that you are the most self important and arrogant ass on this board. You are young and lack life experience which counts for a hell of a lot more than book experience. I have connected the dots and it points me to more government corruption just like 911. Whether you see it or not, has absolutely no bearing on it happening. It is happening right under our noses.

Your conspiracy theory is retarded. Usually it's the fools who wish that life was more interesting than it really is who believe these things. It's like adults who want to pretend. Or those who want some logical explanation for why life is shitty.

You people have no regard for such things as Occam's Razor or observable reality. At some point you'd expect people to grow up and let go of such childish things that everything has to make logical sense. The reason the economy sucks, the reason for the oil spill, the reason for all of this crap that has happened is nothing other than the general incompetence and foolishness of the human race. I know it makes life easier for you to understand if you assume that some Great Entity is actually in control, causing these bad things (like early humans needed to believe in "Satan" and other "Gods" to explain why bad shit happens), but really, at some point you have to grow up.

[medicvet]

The reason the economy sucks, the reason for the oil spill, the reason for all of this crap that has happened is nothing other than the general incompetence and foolishness of the human race.

Bingo. We manage to fuck things up out of sheer incompetence and hubris; no conspiracy is necessary.

[James Random]

An Interview with the survivor of the Rig Explosion on CBS.

He says problems had been growing for weeks on the Deepwater Horizon leading up to the exposion...


http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/06/12/plans-to-clean-up-the-oil-spill--dolphins-with-mops-aquaman-or-blame-the-french.aspx

[clang]

Obama, like Bush, is just a puppet. He will do what he is instructed to do by the global elite. It matters not what political party he is with since there only seems to be one now.














My, I am so impressed with your knowledge and education level. I can connect the dots that you are the most self important and arrogant ass on this board. You are young and lack life experience which counts for a hell of a lot more than book experience. I have connected the dots and it points me to more government corruption just like 911. Whether you see it or not, has absolutely no bearing on it happening. It is happening right under our noses.

Well said Jenna. The fool thinks he is so much smarter than every one, and yet he is still in love with the marxist in the white house. He probably thinks the messiah will walk on oil any day now because the ONE is who all of us were waiting for.

[DontBeAfraid]

Which person in the whitehouse is a marxist clang? And furthermore, what is a marxist clang? The truth is that you dont know the answer to either of those questions because you havent put any thought into them nor have you been told what to think yet have you clang... now go get stuffed.

[clang]

Which person in the whitehouse is a marxist clang? And furthermore, what is a marxist clang? The truth is that you dont know the answer to either of those questions because you havent put any thought into them nor have you been told what to think yet have you clang... now go get stuffed.

There is plenty of information for you morons if you could do a little research. Too bad reading comprehension isn't one of your strong suits DBA. If you idiots would look into the ONE'S
past and his associations, you might realize how stupid you were for voting for him. But no, you had to be duped by the rock star who speaks pretty instead of doing a little research. Most of America knows it except the idiots who still think BSNBC is a ligit news source. I am pretty sure I
know of a few right here at AO. Wake up.

[DontBeAfraid]

blah blah blah, Im an idiot and I suck glenn becks nuts... Fixed that for you.

[clang]

Fixed that for you.

Beck's nuts have more smarts than a whole family of DBAS.
At least he reads books and learns about our history instead
of allowing Oberman to turn his mind into mush.
I got a question for you DBA. When is the last time you read anything about the founding of our country? How about the
Constitution? I bet you think the words "separation of church
and state" are in the constitution or Bill of Rights, don't you.
Do a little research moron. Another product of the public
education system, I see.

[clang]

Debating you lefties is so easy, it's pathetic. I really think
you all decided to stop thinking when you realized you could count to ten using all your fingers.
Maybe you can write to your messiah in the white house and he will give you a freebie so you can go back to school and count your toes too.

[DontBeAfraid]

You didnt debate anyone here... You made a straw man, named it DBA, and sat in a corner masturbating while talking to it... Now go eat some shit.

[custompainter]

I just love watching DBA get OWNED! LOL He takes it so well!

[DontBeAfraid]

Who got owned? Clang listed a bunch of positions on the topic and arbitrarily assigned them to me... He didnt own me, he owned the strawman that he stuffed.

[JenaS62]

Who got owned? Clang listed a bunch of positions on the topic and arbitrarily assigned them to me... He didnt own me, he owned the strawman that he stuffed.


You got owned. Without your boy-toy CT here to think for you, you are a lame duck. The world outside of you knows perfectly well that Obama hung out with marxists, studied marxism and is more than likely a marxist - just like you.

[GamerGal]

Wow, the Hive Mind gets another memo and attacks DBA! And when that fails claim victory!


6. Danth’s Law (also known as Parker’s Law)
States: “If you have to insist that you've won an internet argument, you've probably lost badly.”

[lycanox]

You got owned. Without your boy-toy CT here to think for you, you are a lame duck. The world outside of you knows perfectly well that Obama hung out with marxists, studied marxism and is more than likely a marxist - just like you.
In the sheltered world you grew up in perhaps.
But I have yet to see any evidence that Obama is a Marxist or communist.

What you are doing is nothing more than than repeating the propaganda idea that everyone that does not follow the ideas of the religious extreme right. Must be a communist. Which is absurd.

And please remember that by agreeing with Clang. You essentially also agree with Glen beck as it his his nonsense that Clang is constantly repeating on this forum. And is essentially what you have been claiming to be against as well.

[James Random]

Wow, the Hive Mind gets another memo and attacks DBA! And when that fails claim victory!

Better to be a Hive-Mind than a no mind :bye:

[JenaS62]

And please remember that by agreeing with Clang. You essentially also agree with Glen beck as it his his nonsense that Clang is constantly repeating on this forum. And is essentially what you have been claiming to be against as well.



I agree with Clang because he's right and it has nothing to do with Glen Beck. Maybe you should do some investigating of your own. Why don't you look up Obama's friends, classmates and professors? You know - birds of a feather......?

[clang]

You got owned. Without your boy-toy CT here to think for you, you are a lame duck. The world outside of you knows perfectly well that Obama hung out with marxists, studied marxism and is more than likely a marxist - just like you.

Thanks Jenna. It is just amazing to me that these folks just refuse to do a little research. Obama, himself even said he searched out Marxist professors and radicals in college. If they would just google some of the names of people he has
hung out with, they just might figure out this guy is a puppet
who is more radical than any potus in history. However,
remaining dumb and blind is so much more comfortable.

[JenaS62]

And even Marxism aside - this is what "our" president has been doing since the oil rig exploded:

Rounds of golf: 8 – 4/23, 4/24, 5/8, 5/15, 5/16, 5/22, 6/13, 6/19
States visited before stepping foot in Louisiana: 6 – NC, NY, IL, CA, IA, MO
Concerts: 2 – 6/2 (McCartney), 6/6 (Kelly Clarkson)
Comedy shows: 2 - 5/1 (Leno), 6/6 (George Lopez)
Vacations: 2 – 4/23-4/25 (Asheville, NC), 5/28-5/31 (Chicago)


http://politipage.com/2010/05/28/obamas-days/

[clang]

Better to be a Hive-Mind than a no mind :bye:

Amen, James. I challenge anyone here that makes fun of
Glen Beck to prove him wrong. I don't agree with all that he says, but he tells more truth than most do in the media.
They hate him because he is a danger to their messiah's
agenda, not the messiah himself.

[GamerGal]

Bush Disaster

Thousands dead
Millions Homeless
Tens of Thousands with out jobs
Bush still on vacation laughing it up

Obama Oil Spill
11 dead from initial explosion
Hive Mind defending BP since then

Oh yes I can clearly see hot Obama so fucked up! Especially since the Coast Guard got there before BP even heard about it. Keep it up Jena. I almost respected you when you were blasting BP, then the Hive Mind ordered defense code orange, and you defended BP.

[MaximumPain]

Wow, the Hive Mind gets another memo and attacks DBA! And when that fails claim victory!

Thats exactly what happened GG!

They had nothing but at least they thought the owned someone.

Hate trumps reason I guess? :noevl:

Whats amazing is how your attack Obama while I bet you all still drive your cars and buy your plastic junk at the same rate.

Still waiting for Clang to tell us what Marxism is and how Obama is one.

[GamerGal]

I do drive still, my 35mpg(But I get over 40 on a regular basis and best was 43.333) but I buy from non BP gas station. Easy too do sine we have one gas station in Machias and it isn't BP.
And again, they claim victory!

6. Danth’s Law (also known as Parker’s Law)
States: “If you have to insist that you've won an internet argument, you've probably lost badly.”

[clang]

Marxism is a form of government proposed by Engels and
Marx. To simplify it for the morons here, "The ends justify the means". When government intervenes all levels of
industry such as health care, media propoganda, transportation, energy, and they use a crisis to get where they want to go, You are on your way to socialism. When
we get our rights from the federal government and not our
creator, Marxism is right around the corner. When the
top lawyer in the land [Holder] wants to take away our 2nd
ammendment rights, we have a centralized government
that is out of control. When the feds refuse to pass the anual
budget to hide their massive deficits, we have a government that is not adhering to their constitutional
responsibility.
Do a little research and open your eyes. Stop relying on
BSNBC, the Huff Post and Daily Kos for your news. And for
goodness sake, stop believing your messiah.
Just google some names and tell me he doesn't have
some very radical associations.
Frank Marshall Davis, Saul Alinsky, Jeremiah Wright, Bill
Ayers and Dorn, Tony Rezco, George Soros, Van Jones,
John Holdren, Kevin Jennings, Lois Farrakhan, Andy Stern. You can
ignore all these names all you want but they tell a story.
If you hang out with a bunch of people who wear white
sheets and burn crosses, I am going to assume you are a
dangerous racist. If you associate with a group of radicals
and seek out Marxist professors in college, I come to only one conclusion. When you bow to the Saudi king but treat
Netanyahu like dirt, and you quote the koran better than the Bible, I come to another conclusion.
Not all those folks are marxist. He also likes pedophiles
and people who believe in eugenics as well. Radical muslims have his ear as well. Wake up before it's too late.

[JenaS62]

<<<<< Yes I am clearly defending BP. :doh:

[MaximumPain]

<<<<< Yes I am clearly defending BP. :doh:

Well you are doing your best to find a way to blame Obama for this so yeah in effect your not attacking the right people.

[JenaS62]

Well you are doing your best to find a way to blame Obama for this so yeah in effect your not attacking the right people.


Is there some law that I cannot find fault with both Obama and BP? Can you show it to me?


**edit - and in case you've missed it - I've been slamming BP all over this board. Videos, blogs, news stories, pictures. You see what you want to see. God forbid anyone points out that Obama is a joke.

[GamerGal]

When did Obama cut funding and safety on the... Oh wait BP did that! And BP claimed no big deal we got... Oh shit every thing we've done for 2 months hasn't worked. But I'm glad you won!

6. Danth’s Law (also known as Parker’s Law)
States: “If you have to insist that you've won an internet argument, you've probably lost badly.”

http://killmydaynow.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/TheBestDemotivationalPostersofMay120PICS_CEF5/the_best_demotivational_posters_of_may_90.jpg

[JenaS62]

So I guess that you are all satisfied with Obama's response to the oil spill? You have no problem with him playing golf, going to concerts, entertaining at the WH, hitting the campaign trail before ever going to the gulf, worrying about suing Arizona, taking vacations, and meeting with BP for ONLY 20 MINUTES?


It's very interesting that I, on the other hand, blamed Bush for 911, the Iraq war as well as criticized him for his lack of response to Katrina. Who has hive mentality again GG? Pst.... your partisanship is showing.

[MaximumPain]

Marxism is a form of government proposed by Engels and
Marx. To simplify it for the morons here, "The ends justify the means".

WRONG!

Marxism is about the struggle between social classes, and the exploitation of the working classes by the ultra rich.
In Marxism the workers own the means of production and distribution of good and services. Even the most socialist European countries don't have that.


When government intervenes all levels of
industry such as health care, I can see you've been drinking the Rush Limbaugh kool aid Clang or has your preacher been whispering lies in your ear as well? So there is no private heath care any more? You obviously have bad information about the recent health care legislation it was a win for PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES. It was not a win for the common man and it was most certainly not a complete government take over.



media propoganda,

Oh you mean the cable news thats owned by Rupert Murdoch (fox news), General Electric (one of the largest defense contractors), and several other PRIVATE companies. Of course you believe in witches and warlocks and that satan has corrupted humans to deny God so I guess you'll believe anything as long as the right person tells you.


transportation, GM take over? Sorry not state run yet try again. Or are you just whining that there are regulations and laws to make our roads and vehicles safer?



energy,
Muhahahahahahaha the government owns Exxon Mobile, BP, Massey energy?????


and they use a crisis to get where they want to go,

Whos they satan and his minions or the secret Marxist conspirators?


You are on your way to socialism. When
we get our rights from the federal government and not our
creator,
So you don't like the constitution or the bill of rights?

Sadly the creator is probably a myth used to control people for political power (look how well its working on you). On the other hand the actual law of the land is real and enforceable (if you don't let the fox's guard the chicken coop).



Marxism is right around the corner. When the
top lawyer in the land [Holder] wants to take away our 2nd
ammendment rights,

Wait what gun rights have you lost? I think the courts have even overturned a couple of hand gun bans.
Dont worry about your pathetic guns any more they are no longer effective enough for the revolution anyway. Do you think a little hand gun will be of any use when the armored troops come?


we have a centralized government
that is out of control.
Nothing new there of course its only a problem now that that Muslim is president right?


When the feds refuse to pass the anual
budget to hide their massive deficits, we have a government that is not adhering to their constitutional
responsibility. So you do like the constitution I thought you said we could only get rights from our creator?


Do a little research and open your eyes.
I would tell you the same thing Clang but your blinded by superstition and those that lie and control in its name.



Stop relying on
BSNBC, the Huff Post and Daily Kos for your news. And for
goodness sake, stop believing your messiah.

I don't rely on those site for news and you should stop listening to fox, and the right wing pundits who only serve the corporate agenda.

And please
Just stop calling Obama the fucking messiah ok. Its a creation of right wing assholes. No person I know thinks of Obama as the fucking messiah and its getting pretty fucking old to be accused of that got it?




Just google some names and tell me he doesn't have
some very radical associations.
Frank Marshall Davis, Saul Alinsky, Jeremiah Wright, Bill
Ayers and Dorn, Tony Rezco, George Soros, Van Jones,
John Holdren, Kevin Jennings, Lois Farrakhan, Andy Stern.

Finally some meat! So these are the names of the communist conspirators? The evil Marxists who are secretly plotting to overthrow western democracy and enact the government of the antichrist? I will research them ( I know about a few of them already). I bet when I do I will find right wing propaganda, exaggeration, and lies.



You can ignore all these names all you want but they tell a story.
If you hang out with a bunch of people who wear white
sheets and burn crosses, I am going to assume you are a
dangerous racist. If you associate with a group of radicals
and seek out Marxist professors in college, I come to only one conclusion.
So if you have secret meetings with the energy barons and support illegal wars that profit companies you hold stock in I come to only one conclusion. That you are in the pocket of the multinational corporations and don't care about America or the Earth at all.


When you bow to the Saudi king
I would rather he just punched him in the moth but you dont piss off your heroine dealer when your jonzing for a fix. Of course Bush also walked with him holding hands so yeah they have to much fucking influence on our elected officials... must be the drug problem we have.
Its ok the corporate masters must approve of it or it wouldn't happen.


but treat
Netanyahu like dirt, Did we cut off our massive aid to Israel yet? Did we just send a naval contingent to intercept the Iranian aid convoy?
Are they still stealing land from the Palestinians to build settlements?
Oh that's right it says right here in our holy book that this land is ours so you guys will need to get the fuck out or we'll kill you.


and you quote the koran better than the Bible, I come to another conclusion.
Not all those folks are marxist. He also likes pedophiles
and people who believe in eugenics as well. Radical muslims have his ear as well. Wake up before it's too late.

Sometime even in the middle of responding to a post I forget that your another idiot conspiracy theorist but then I just read anything your wrote and I'm reminded of that fact.

Just remember that I'm not the one who believes that demon grasshoppers will come and sting the people so that they will suffer for 5 months but none will die though they will all wish no pray for death.
Now what were you saying about Obama being a Muslim?

[JenaS62]

I have no dog in the religious fight so ya'll can carry on.

[custompainter]

Gee Max, When we lose our temper and resort to yelling and threatening, WE LOSE!
I believe that puts you in the OWNED corner with your little girlfriend DBA.

[MaximumPain]

Is there some law that I cannot find fault with both Obama and BP? Can you show it to me?

Of course not you can find fault in both. But your supporting righting sources that don't actually care about the spill (except for its bad publicity).
If Obama had done what I wanted and seized all BP assets in America I'm betting you would have raised a bigger stink. I can hear the whining about socialism now. You are in a conundrum because this issue is the result of these corporate monsters infiltrating and manipulating our political process at every turn and the people in our government are so beholden to them that they joyfully participate in the damage control in order to keep their jobs and this economy afloat. The moment someone in government tries to control anything these monsters do (not just BP but all the mega corps) someone screams.

MARXISM

You being pissed that the pres is not down there personally cleaning up the spill doesn't help (and if he was you'd whine that it was all for PR purposes). So what if dude goes and plays golf on Saturday. What things of substance do you want him to do about it?



**edit - and in case you've missed it - I've been slamming BP all over this board. Videos, blogs, news stories, pictures. You see what you want to see. God forbid anyone points out that Obama is a joke.
Your slamming the event but not the culture that allowed it. Also your still getting your stuff from the right who as I said care more about bringing down Obama then about the dieing birds and turtles or the extreme damage our love affair with oil has wrought. Its the right hatred of regulation and their politicians actions that staffed the agency's that were so lax as to allow this shit to happen. Can you imagine the stink that would have been raised if Obama had come in and fired everyone in the minerals management office as should have been done? MARXIST, COMMUNIST, MUSLIM, TAKE OVER ALERT.........GET YOUR GUNS PEOPLE!!!

[MaximumPain]

Gee Max, When we lose our temper and resort to yelling and threatening, WE LOSE!
I believe that puts you in the OWNED corner with your little girlfriend DBA.

Im tired of having words put in my mouth and ideas forced into my head.
Now come with some facts or go sit down and shut up.

Thanks

[JenaS62]

Also your still getting your stuff from the right who as I said care more about bringing down Obama then about the dieing birds and turtles or the extreme damage our love affair with oil has wrought.


You are so wrong MP. I get most of my info on the gulf disaster from BOYCOTT BP on Facbook which appears to be a pretty non-partisan group who care more about the environment than they do politics. I did not need anyone to tell me that Obama is not reacting properly to this event - I figured that out on my own and then I found that great link in my signature line to put it all in pretty pictures for ya.

I will ask again, are you satisfied with Obama's response to the oil spill?

[custompainter]

The fact is max...we are all on the same team,yet you and others here continually draw lines in the sand and choose sides. There are no sides. WE are all in this together! Instead of bickering back and forth about whos this or whos that,we should be pooling our resources to try and make things better.
The video Jena posted is all the proof my statement needs.
So maybe you should take your own advise bud, and go sit down and shut up,but with a fishing pole in your hand,and the sun on your back.

Oh....you're most welcome.

[MaximumPain]

You are so wrong MP. I get most of my info on the gulf disaster from BOYCOTT BP on Facbook which appears to be a pretty non-partisan group who care more about the environment than they do politics. I did not need anyone to tell me that Obama is not reacting properly to this event - I figured that out on my own and then I found that great link in my signature line to put it all in pretty pictures for ya.

The site in your sig looks almost totally dedicated to attacking Obama.
Where are the pieces encouraging us to start moving off oil? It drips with politics, just because its on face book does not make it neutral.



I will ask again, are you satisfied with Obama's response to the oil spill?

No! I want some people up against the wall myself but we don't behave that way in a civilized society.

[MaximumPain]

The fact is max...we are all on the same team,yet you and others here continually draw lines in the sand and choose sides. There are no sides. WE are all in this together! Instead of bickering back and forth about whos this or whos that,we should be pooling our resources to try and make things better.
The video Jena posted is all the proof my statement needs.
So maybe you should take your own advise bud, and go sit down and shut up,but with a fishing pole in your hand,and the sun on your back.

hahahaha I hate fishing myself :lol: But I don't mind if others do it.
Yes you are correct we are on the same crew we just disagree about how the ship aught to be captained.

Ive been extremely cantankerous these last few weeks for several reasons. Sorry for taking it out on you custom.

[custompainter]

No problem bud. I hope things mellow out for you. I for one love fishing and its a beautiful day here on the oregon coast and i'm going to take MY own advise and go do some surf fishing. Have a good day dude!

[JenaS62]

The site in your sig looks almost totally dedicated to attacking Obama. .


Yes that one does dedicate to attacking Obama.


Where are the pieces encouraging us to start moving off oil? It drips with politics, just because its on face book does not make it neutral..


No being on FB does not make it neutral but I am telling you that it is. Of course you are welcome to check it out yourself.




No! I want some people up against the wall myself but we don't behave that way in a civilized society.


Maybe we should. But I am relieved that you are not satisfied with Obama's response because anyone that is has their head up their ass. Instead of saying that he is going to "kick ass", he needs to start actually doing it. He needs to lift the Jones Act and allow other countries to help. It should be all hands on deck. ALL HANDS ON DECK.

[clang]

Gee Max, When we lose our temper and resort to yelling and threatening, WE LOSE!
I believe that puts you in the OWNED corner with your little girlfriend DBA.

His head is too deep in the sand among other places to hear you.

[clang]

So I guess that you are all satisfied with Obama's response to the oil spill? You have no problem with him playing golf, going to concerts, entertaining at the WH, hitting the campaign trail before ever going to the gulf, worrying about suing Arizona, taking vacations, and meeting with BP for ONLY 20 MINUTES?


It's very interesting that I, on the other hand, blamed Bush for 911, the Iraq war as well as criticized him for his lack of response to Katrina. Who has hive mentality again GG? Pst.... your partisanship is showing.

Of course they are satisfied Jenna. He walks on water, didn't you know that?

[clang]

MP, I don't blame you. You have just been misled. Read the Bill of Rights and tell me what the founding fathers said
about our rights and where they came from. Then try reading
The Federalist papers. You actually might learn something valuable. Then I challenge you to go back and listen carefully to the ONE'S own words over the years. Read his books and
check out u-tube. Read the words of Saul Alinsky in Rules
For Radicals. He is someone who many on the left have praised for years.
Find out what his associates say and believe. I gave you several names but there are more. I won't do your research for you. All it takes is a brain and you too may one day come
to your senses.

[DontBeAfraid]

I cant even bring myself to read your spam anymore clang... You debate the same way GG does... Not with the other posters but with your strawmen replicas of them.

[Cartesiantheater]

You got owned. Without your boy-toy CT here to think for you, you are a lame duck. The world outside of you knows perfectly well that Obama hung out with marxists, studied marxism and is more than likely a marxist - just like you.

Neither one of you made any sort of argument that was worth crap.

Believing that this oil spill was deliberately planned and allowed to happen by Obama is about as retarded as you can get. If anyone got owned it was you and ToM, and you owned YOURSELVES.

As far as clang, he just posted his opinion, provided zero evidence to back it up, and didn't even make an argument.



As far as the idiotic conspiracy theory, it seems you and the others have moved away from it. I gather that's because you now realize how truly retarded it is. After all you have to believe that Obama wanted to deliberately sabotage his own power to get cap and trade passed.

[clang]

Neither one of you made any sort of argument that was worth crap.

Believing that this oil spill was deliberately planned and allowed to happen by Obama is about as retarded as you can get. If anyone got owned it was you and ToM, and you owned YOURSELVES.

As far as clang, he just posted his opinion, provided zero evidence to back it up, and didn't even make an argument.



As far as the idiotic conspiracy theory, it seems you and the others have moved away from it. I gather that's because you now realize how truly retarded it is. After all you have to believe that Obama wanted to deliberately sabotage his own power to get cap and trade passed.

Looks like Mr public education is back to save dba's and mp's asses again. Tell us all how much smarter you are again ct. Where were you smart guy, on the links with the messiah?

[MaximumPain]

Looks like Mr public education is back to save dba's and mp's asses again. Tell us all how much smarter you are again ct. Where were you smart guy, on the links with the messiah?

Please! you are all talk no substance Clang.

Seriously you are all conspiracy theory's and religious garbage.

[clang]

In case you three are too stupid to realize it, it is a whole lot of fun messing with you. When the left loses a debate, they just start crying and insulting and then they take their ball and go home.
When the ONE is finally removed from office, just
remember we told you so. He is a fraud and an empty suit
which makes him the perfect messiah for the lefties here at AO.

[MaximumPain]

In case you three are too stupid to realize it, it is a whole lot of fun messing with you. When the left loses a debate, they just start crying and insulting and then they take their ball and go home.
When the ONE is finally removed from office, just
remember we told you so. He is a fraud and an empty suit
which makes him the perfect messiah for the lefties here at AO.

Your post looks like its all crying and insulting Clang... what were you saying about the left again?

[DontBeAfraid]

Im pretty sure that clang IS GG... only this time he/she is playing the other side. Either way, welcome to ignore.

Way to pick your friends jena.

[custompainter]

Im pretty sure that clang IS GG... only this time he/she is playing the other side. Either way, welcome to ignore.

Way to pick your friends jena.

Ignore???? Owned twice! Damn! And I believe you owe GG an apology.

[DontBeAfraid]

You have a low IQ dont you cp... good luck with life.

edit: and for the record: you cant argue with a spam bot which is what GG and clang essentially are.

[custompainter]

I dont think anybody here is dumb enough to believe obama is responsible for the oil spill. Thats not the point. I think the point is that his policies and georgies policies all lead up to a lack of responsibility concerning the regulation of oil company drilling policies,which I think we can all agree are way out of line.

[DontBeAfraid]

I dont think anybody here is dumb enough to believe obama is responsible for the oil spill.I see you missed Jenas posts in this thread...

[custompainter]

Well little man, Ive been pretty lucky to have been blessed with a talent that has made me some cash,some very important friends,and a future that doesn't need an IQ. My future really is so bright "I gotta wear shades".
And thanx for asking!

[medicvet]

Thanks Jenna. It is just amazing to me that these folks just refuse to do a little research. Obama, himself even said he searched out Marxist professors and radicals in college. If they would just google some of the names of people he has
hung out with, they just might figure out this guy is a puppet
who is more radical than any potus in history. However,
remaining dumb and blind is so much more comfortable.

I would rather be a member of the fourth international than someone who listens to a putz like glenn beck.

[GamerGal]

Hey! How am I a spam bot? I POST LINKS or QUOTES so I can back up what I say. Clang, Jena, and the other Hive Mind? Beck said X, so they spew X. Beck says Y, they spew Y. No links, no proof, nothing more then Beck.

[JenaS62]

I see you missed Jenas posts in this thread...


And all along I thought you were smart. I never blamed Obama FOR the spill, however, I am blaming him for not acting quick enough and for continually focusing on other things while the oil continues to get worse.

[clang]

You guys crack me up. You are not willing to do any research
about your messiah, and when someone criticizes dumbo
you get your panties in a wad. I am on ignore now. Coming from people that say I believe in fairy tales, and Lord knows how many other insults. You just don't get it. I am trying to get under your skin simply because the three of you troll
around here thinking you are smarter than everyone and
make fun of those who don't agree with you.
I don't provide links because you need to do your own research. Read a book now and then. Learn what the constitution and Bill of Rights actually say. I asked several days ago where the words "separation of church and state"
come from and still no answers. The founding fathers did
indeed know where our rights come from, and they don't
come from the idiot in the white house, no matter how
much you cry and stamp your feet.
Jenna and others have made many excellent points in this
thread and she shouldn't be criticized because I have
gotten under your skin. She doesn't even agree with me
about Christianity, but she shows a lot more sense on
where your messiah is leading this country than many at
this site.
Obama was bought by BP in the election and you are blind not to see what the majority of Americans now know. The 20 billion will turn into a giant slush fund but go ahead and keep your head in the sand. The feds knew there were problems with that well in February and still
issued the permits to cut safety measures. John Podesta
[Obama's CIA chief] has a brother who is a lawyer who is
representing BP in this mess. How convenient. George
Soros stands to make billions out of this disaster. He has
invested in an oil company in Brazil that will take off and
expand due to Obama putting a stop to drilling in the gulf.
Soros has done this stuff in the past. Read about his history and remember he is another of the ONE'S
buddies. I actually believe Obama is his puppet but I
don't really know who is really on top in that love affair.
One day you guys and GG will wake up or you won't. It makes no difference to me. Watching you get all upset and
develop internet muscles
over a ghost on the web is good enough for me.

[MaximumPain]

You guys crack me up. You are not willing to do any research
about your messiah, and when someone criticizes dumbo
you get your panties in a wad. I am on ignore now. Coming from people that say I believe in fairy tales, and Lord knows how many other insults. You just don't get it. I am trying to get under your skin simply because the three of you troll
around here thinking you are smarter than everyone and
make fun of those who don't agree with you.
I don't provide links because you need to do your own research. Read a book now and then. Learn what the constitution and Bill of Rights actually say. I asked several days ago where the words "separation of church and state"
come from and still no answers. The founding fathers did
indeed know where our rights come from, and they don't
come from the idiot in the white house, no matter how
much you cry and stamp your feet.
Jenna and others have made many excellent points in this
thread and she shouldn't be criticized because I have
gotten under your skin. She doesn't even agree with me
about Christianity, but she shows a lot more sense on
where your messiah is leading this country than many at
this site.
Obama was bought by BP in the election and you are blind not to see what the majority of Americans now know. The 20 billion will turn into a giant slush fund but go ahead and keep your head in the sand. The feds knew there were problems with that well in February and still
issued the permits to cut safety measures. John Podesta
[Obama's CIA chief] has a brother who is a lawyer who is
representing BP in this mess. How convenient. George
Soros stands to make billions out of this disaster. He has
invested in an oil company in Brazil that will take off and
expand due to Obama putting a stop to drilling in the gulf.
Soros has done this stuff in the past. Read about his history and remember he is another of the ONE'S
buddies. I actually believe Obama is his puppet but I
don't really know who is really on top in that love affair.
One day you guys and GG will wake up or you won't. It makes no difference to me. Watching you get all upset and
develop internet muscles
over a ghost on the web is good enough for me.

Sorry Clang but people aren't interested in your right wing propaganda and conspiracy theory's. Post some links and I'll bet we see great sources like world net daily and even less reputable sources.

Edit ~ Thinking more on this Clang its really your attack dog attitude and not some misguided love for Obama that makes me want to fight you to the death. I have all kinds of issues with Obama but I hate the right wing corporatist's so much now that I refuse to give up. Your attacks against Obama are mostly based on conspiracy theory's and they are not even as good as the ones against Bush from our last disastrous 8 years.

The one thing thats obvious to me is that the corporations own our government and use their media machine to attack people who get in their way and to increase the hatred of government. Those within government are assisting this meme by sucking up to these same corporate interests (thats why they are on the pay role) and Obama is a part of this problem. Things would be no different under McCain. There is to much money at stake for them to be worried about the environment or massive debt we are incurring in our wars.

The media machine will grind and spit out anyone the corporate interests decide to crush. As Medicvets thread said "we are truly Fucked".

[clang]

That is exactly why I suggested you do your own research.

[JenaS62]

Edit ~ Thinking more on this Clang its really your attack dog attitude and not some misguided love for Obama that makes me want to fight you to the death. I have all kinds of issues with Obama but I hate the right wing corporatist's so much now that I refuse to give up. Your attacks against Obama are mostly based on conspiracy theory's and they are not even as good as the ones against Bush from our last disastrous 8 years.




Ignore it and stay focused. The gulf states and the wildlife that live there needs us to focus and not fight about stupid shit.

[clang]

Sorry Clang but people aren't interested in your right wing propaganda and conspiracy theory's. Post some links and I'll bet we see great sources like world net daily and even less reputable sources.

Edit ~ Thinking more on this Clang its really your attack dog attitude and not some misguided love for Obama that makes me want to fight you to the death. I have all kinds of issues with Obama but I hate the right wing corporatist's so much now that I refuse to give up. Your attacks against Obama are mostly based on conspiracy theory's and they are not even as good as the ones against Bush from our last disastrous 8 years.

The one thing thats obvious to me is that the corporations own our government and use their media machine to attack people who get in their way and to increase the hatred of government. Those within government are assisting this meme by sucking up to these same corporate interests (thats why they are on the pay role) and Obama is a part of this problem. Things would be no different under McCain. There is to much money at stake for them to be worried about the environment or massive debt we are incurring in our wars.

The media machine will grind and spit out anyone the corporate interests decide to crush. As Medicvets thread said "we are truly Fucked".

Some of what you say I agree with. What exactly are your issues with Obama? You defend his lack of response to
this disaster which just dumbfounds me. I did not think Bush was a good potus in the least, but this guy stands to
out do him. I agree that McCain wasn't the answer either
but I have a hard time believing he would be this inept.

[clang]

As far as having an attack dog style, you are right. I have also been attacked so many times on this site over my
Christian and conservative beliefs that it becomes a defense
mechanism. I guess I should just turn the other cheek, huh.

[Cartesiantheater]

And all along I thought you were smart. I never blamed Obama FOR the spill, however, I am blaming him for not acting quick enough and for continually focusing on other things while the oil continues to get worse.

Hmmm... this exchange seems to disagree with the above:






Actually GG - this is how I see it. On Earth Day 2010 - two weeks after Obama announces support for off shore drilling - the BP oil rig explodes, causing the worst environmental disaster in US History. I find it a very convenient means to an end regarding Cap and Trade legislation. Although a 6 month moratorium was not part of the recommendations by the administrations 'experts' - the administration adds it in AFTER it was signed by said experts. I guess you don't see a problem with that.


**edit - GG, take your racist KKK shit and shove it up your ass.



More RETARDED conspiracy theories...



It's was no longer a "theory" when Bozo did his little "shock and awe" show from the Oval office and in less than 15 minutes - brings up.....CAP AND TRADE. :doh:




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Looks like Mr public education is back to save dba's and mp's asses again. Tell us all how much smarter you are again ct. Where were you smart guy, on the links with the messiah?

I consider myself to be of about average to slightly above average intelligence, so I suppose my "arrogance" must then be explained by what I think of YOUR intelligence level rather than my own.


Do you believe in this dipshit conspiracy theory too?

[GamerGal]

Jena, you clearly blame Obama and support BP. You claim Obama blew it up meaning BP is just an innocent victim. YOU SUPPORT BP. I'm so glad only red states are being affected. If I get hired soon in Portland and get some cash I'd pay for the loud speakers being set up blaring Palin and McCain and other republicans shouting "Drill Baby Drill" followed by a message "This is what you voted for"

[Anarch]

Edit ~ Thinking more on this Clang its really your attack dog attitude and not some misguided love for Obama that makes me want to fight you to the death. I have all kinds of issues with Obama but I hate the right wing corporatist's so much now that I refuse to give up. Your attacks against Obama are mostly based on conspiracy theory's and they are not even as good as the ones against Bush from our last disastrous 8 years.


Ignore it and stay focused. The gulf states and the wildlife that live there needs us to focus and not fight about stupid shit.


What she said.


All about this BP shit I see alot of pointless bickering.... Some of it is same ol' same ol' like GGs shtick. Some of it is members minimalizing whats going on repeating Conspiracy theory over and over. And maybe that is just a defense mechanism in light of such a horrible event. What's not a conspiracy is that politicians hate to let any crisis go to waste, Oil is washing up on shores all over the coast, People are starting to get sick, People are starting to die, and the MSM is on a short leash under/mis reporting the whole event.

That is kinda the reason some of you are here... online. Because the news you can get here is broader and less bias. So maybe less time should be spent on one another and more time on the disaster itself.