Religion just destroyed my marriage

[Doomer]

We've been married for 15 years and over the years I watched helplessly as she became more and more a religious fanatic. I've thought many many times "If she had been in the right place at the right time she would have followed Jim Jones to Ghana in a heartbeat. Her fanaticism has really frightened me the last couple of years as everything that came out of her mouth has religious underpinnings.

For years, the only reason I have remained in this marriage is for the sake of our 3 kids. I really and truly wanted them to grow up in a whole family and was willing to sacrifice my happiness to give them the best chance in life.

Well, about a month ago, she came to me and told me God told her to divorce me. She said I was a heathen. "Well, fine" I thought. An initial sense of relief soon gave way to a fear and dread of what will happen to our kids.

After much thought and reflection I have come to the awful conclusion that there isn't anything I can do but hope for the best. In this state, the mother automatically get custody, the house, child support, etc. Daddy gets the shaft.

I share this with you in the hopes that if any holy rolling bible thumping' Christians try to convert me, you'll understand my response.

I still believe in God but have regrettably come to the conclusion that Christianity and all all other organized religions are in fact the work of the devil and those that follow them are the devils children bound for hell.

[Bigsky770]

. . .The problem wasn't/isn't YOU. It's her. In her search for God, Truth, and Self, she will soon find she has lost and given-up MORE than she could afford. Here where I live as well, "Religion" can and is used as a rationale' to destroy a perfectly wonderful relationship, even though there is denial upon the one that is supposedly 'evolving' that this is often the course of action chosen for the basest of reasons; meaning? too put it bluntly, perhaps a member of the choir caught her eye, (or) visa-versa. As hard as it is, move-on, keep your chin-up, continue to be the best father you can for the sake of your kids. THAT, (my friend) is WHAT GOD is about.

. . .She hasn't a clue as to what "GOD" is about; never did, and probably never will. . . .

Joe (Bigsky770)

[autryn2]

I, also, was married to a woman for 15 years. After tutoring her and paying her tuition so she could become an RN, putting her in a nice, big house, a new car, and expensive jewelry and trips to places like cancune, I found out that she had been seeing another guy twice a week for 9 months. I also listened to a telephone conversation between her and her sister where she stated that she wouldn't divorce me until my mother (who was dying of cancer at the time) passed away so that she could get half of my inheritance in the divorce, even though she didn't love me.

If you asked her today, she would tell you that she is a child of God (really).

Do I blame God for marrying such a terrible person and going through hell for 15 years??? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!

Many people THINK they know what being a Christian means, but they don't. Also, many other people use Christianity for their own wicked purposes. Still other people claim to be a Christian but believe a momentary confession of sins makes it ok to sin whenever you want for the rest of your life (my ex-wife thinks this) and there is no more to being a Christian than your ONE confession instead of having a lifelong commitment to God.

Don't blame God (or Christ) for your trouble. We all have free will and we all make big mistakes in our life. If you can't reconcile your marriage, I suggest that you strive to forgive your wife through prayer to God.

I have forgiven my ex-wife and even prayed for God to forgive her and bless her. I am happy now because I truely have no bitterness when I look back and because I forgave my ex-wife, God has rewarded me with another wife who truely loves me... and shows that love for me every day. I cannot tell you how much better things are.

Hang in there... if it can happen to me it can happen to you.

[Doomer]

Bigsky770, autryn2, Thanks a million for your words of encouragement.

For reasons know but to God, I've been desparately seeking someone to fill this great big void in my heart. Seems to be easy enough to do via the Internet but today stopped myself and said "Whoa there dude, you're trying to move way too fast. You're trying to jump from the frying pan to the fire. Think I'll chill out and concentrate on my second love, contemplating the end of the world. :D I find a sort of perverted comfort thinking about a much greater disaster than my own. :D

Again, thank a million guys. :)

[mickydoolittle]

Try enjoying a nice scotch...it will ease your progression from being dumped like yesterdays trash.

And don't worry about moving too fast--there is nothing like clearing the pipes so as to forget about as well as scorn that, which hurled the gauntlet first.

In short, live your life. Deal with your sorrow and hurt and work through it, as it will dissipate like a fart in the wind--eventually. Be there for your kids. Don't worry about this religion crap as it is indeed all the same in the end since it really doesn't matter in the first place.

Find that which appreciates you for you, rejoice in your happiness together, and try and make the best of the next 15 or 20 years as you can’t be sure of much more than that in today’s wildly unstable political climate.

If that doesn't work, then try more scotch, as it always does the trick. :thumbs:

I recommend a Single Highland Malt, preferably a Macallan 25 yr, if that is too expensive for you, try the 18 yr of the same class. You won't regret it. I'm sure of it.

Oh, and if you don't drink (although I can't understand why you wouldn't at this point), start.

[Doomer]

Thanks Mickey.

More words of wisdom to add to my scrapbook.

Just dyed my hair to get rid of the gray this has caused me. Time for a night on the town. :)

[mickydoolittle]

Don't take my words as truth--we here know what a horses ass I can be.

Give it a shot tho....you're bound to have progress in one form of another absolutely.

[Chris]

I still believe in God but have regrettably come to the conclusion that Christianity and all all other organized religions are in fact the work of the devil and those that follow them are the devils children bound for hell.

Does that mean you don't believe in Jesus either since he was a Christian?


Sorry if that sounds like something else, but it's just meant to be a question, I'm just curious to hear other people's opinions. I, personally, am not religious at all.

[Doomer]

Does that mean you don't believe in Jesus either since he was a Christian?


Sorry if that sounds like something else, but it's just meant to be a question, I'm just curious to hear other people's opinions. I, personally, am not religious at all.

I have great respect for the wisdom contained in the Bible. Weather it is truly the word of God or the word of very wise mortals, well, no one knows and no one will ever know. The question of weather or not Jesus was the son of God falls in the same category.

Perhaps you, as a Christan can explain to me why Christan's choose to worship the messenger and ignore his message. Why are Christan's perfectly content to be hypocrites and see no need to put forth any effort to fight hypocrisy choosing instead to ask there god for forgiveness the believing everything is fine again?

Ever hear that song by Ray Stevens, "Would Jesus Wear A Rolex"?

The following was snipped from another forum and is another thought to ponder:

Apparently God is the good guy and Satan is the bad one.

But, who is the one who doomed all humanity to death because of Adam's disobedience? -- God

Who is the one who drowned almost every man woman child and animal in the world? -- God

Who rains fire and brimstone on towns? Who kills on the slightest infraction? -- God

So, what did Satan do? How come he's the bad guy?

When there's a horrible natural disaster, no one ever says it is "An Act of Satan", rather it is "An Act of God".

[mickydoolittle]

Does that mean you don't believe in Jesus either since he was a Christian?

What makes you so certain jesus is/was a christian?

His followers are christians...but jesus isn't, that's why his followers are called christians . . . .

[Defiant Noquisi]

Heya Doomer, sorry about whats going on in your life, its gotta suck. However, Im throwing my 2 beads in since I advocate for children that are victims of domestic violence. Obviously, Im just going by what you posted and do not personally know your situation. Also, if you have supportive family round them up now and make them a part of your "team", dont swallow this and tough it out!

Strictly playing devils advocate here, alot of people are resistant to change. Try and look at your wifes beliefs with nuetrality and honesty. If she still appears to be a jeezus freaked out whacko why are you resigning yourself to archaic bs?

First of all, if your wife is that addicted to religious behavior/beliefs that you think she would have followed a sick bastard like Jim Jones, why would you let her have the kids? Part of proving that you are a good enough parent to the courts is that you show you are willing to do virtually ANYTHING within the bounds of the law to protect your kids. If you cant prove it then you arent awarded custody. Its not supposed to matter what your sex is, even in bible belt states. There is enough case law on the books now that proves a woman is not neccessarily the best parent. If you get a good enough lawyer who understands and knows how to find and use custody case law, the hardest job anyone will have is cleaning up after your ex craps her pants in court. Especially with all the case law now with religious fanatical mom's murdering their kids.

I would be surprised if ANY state had laws on the books that state women automatically get custody. Its my understanding that any laws that were like that are discriminatory and are illegal as they do not support the best interests of the child/ren. It is my understanding those laws have been superceded by federal regs. My dad won custody of my brother and I in 1972 when men with kids couldnt even qualify for welfare so it is possible. Please, if Im wrong let me know because there are many groups out there who advocate for the fathers rights now, in ALL the states.

In this day and age it usually isnt that men cant get custody its that they believe they wont and dont fight hard enough. Carefully interview any potential lawyer. If that lawyer is "old school" keep looking until you find a more modern day lawyer. While you are at it, if you can score a lawyer that is also a "guardian ad lidem" youre a step ahead of the game. Those types of lawyers are specially appointed by the court to protect the best interests of THE CHILD/REN no matter what the parents think or do. If you can get one half the homework is done already. If you live in a very small town where everyone knows when and how the other farts, your lawyer can make a motion for a change of jurisdiction in the best interests of the child/ren, ususally at the county seat if you dont live there already. Its not easy and it sure isnt cheap.

Psychological exams can also be ordered but in the best interests of the children, what one parent goes through will probably be ordered for both. Be prepared to have virtually your entire life and home scrutinized. If there is ANY religious zealotry it will probably come out at this time. If you show cooperation in this you score points. Its sucks, its ugly but its all for the kids.

The biggest thing you must prove no matter what is that you would never ever use the kids as pawns in the divorce, ever!

Its noble that you stuck it out for your kids. I could not do that. Kids model their parents behavior and I just could not stand by while my son learned how to be miserable, hate people, become a drunk and put down women. I wanted a better life for him and gave it to him by leaving. If you sacrifice your happiness what are you teaching your children? That its okay to give up your life and be miserable because its for the best? Think about that.

Good luck in whatever you do, its your choice to do it. However, if your wife is so whacked out that you fear for the safety of your kids, taking a sideline position will do nothing to protect them. Think about it, think about what could happen if you just stepped aside. You live with that decision the rest of your life.

[mickydoolittle]

geezus...that's some sound advice. Way to go DN.

[Maleko]

As a man who also lived in an area where the woman has a huge advantage in getting custody, I can say that a man CAN win. It's not cheap, it definately is not easy, but I am living proof it can be done.

I was told by my first attorney, the judge, child protection services, and several other agencies, that I had little to no chance of gettign custody. Well after several months of fighting, and several thousand dollars (close to $30k) I did win. So, it can be done.

My best advice is to keep your head about you, and if your truly fighting for what you feel is best for your kids, and not fighting for custody for spite, you will impress the judge. Sign up for some parenting classes, get the leg work done for child care (if you need daycare etc) and try your best to keep the welfare of your kids as your foremost goal.

Good luck

[mickydoolittle]

(close to $30k)

That little? It typically costs a minimum of US$175k for the male to win.

I'd like to know who your lawyer is.

[Doomer]

Thanks guys,
Unfortunately, I don't have the financial resources to mount a credible battle. It's truly sad that justice is reserved for those who can afford it. In this case, I cannot.
I live in Ga. and it's my understanding that the mother automatically gets physical custody unless it can be shown that she is an unfit mother. Again, i don't have the means to do this.
I was told this by a lawyer and by HER. It's obvious this weighed heavily in her decision to pursue the course she did.

As I see it, the best she can hope for is to die a lonely old woman. (not an uncommon fate). The worst would be that her fanaticism leads her to some dark, unspeakable fate. My greatest fear is that she would drag our kids along with her.

I realize now that asking her to marry me was the biggest mistake of my life. I also realize that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I just wonder what my total bill will be when all is said and done.

One thing is certain, I'll never marry another American woman again. I have come to believe what the Internet says about them. :(

[Chris]

What makes you so certain jesus is/was a christian?

His followers are christians...but jesus isn't, that's why his followers are called christians . . . .

What was he then?

[mickydoolittle]

What was he then?

the alleged son of god, saviour of humanity. Do the research.

[DontBeAfraid]

he was a jew you lumps.

[TrishaYrwoodFan]

Doomer,

So sorry to hear about your wife. I can tell you this much though: God did *NOT* tell her to divorce you. In fact, He hates divorce. Unless of course you were beating her to within an inch of her life and are doing terrible nasty things to her that shouldn't be uttered aloud, or committing adultery. Aside from that, it wasn't God who told her to divorce you. In fact, the bible even says that if you, who are unequally yoked with her, still want to live with her even though you don't share her beliefs, then its A-ok.

She really needs to sit down and read her bible instead of listening to someone tell her what they think it says. She will find the only reasons divorce is allowed and if you are not doing the above, she has no grounds to divorce you and if she remarries, will be considered an adultress. If you want chapter and verse, let me know, I'll get it for you.

Sue

[TrishaYrwoodFan]

Thanks guys,
As I see it, the best she can hope for is to die a lonely old woman. (not an uncommon fate). The worst would be that her fanaticism leads her to some dark, unspeakable fate. My greatest fear is that she would drag our kids along with her.

I realize now that asking her to marry me was the biggest mistake of my life. I also realize that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I just wonder what my total bill will be when all is said and done.

One thing is certain, I'll never marry another American woman again. I have come to believe what the Internet says about them. :(


What does the internet say about American women? And, I take offense to that! :confused: :wink:

Asking her to marry you was not the biggest mistake of your life! If you hadn't, you wouldn't have your children. What she is doing is totally wrong, and she needs to get over herself. If she is such a bible believer, I'm wondering by what authority (according to the Bible), she's divorcing you?

[LC Jeffries]

What makes you so certain jesus is/was a christian?

His followers are christians...but jesus isn't, that's why his followers are called christians . . . .

You are right Micky.

Doomer, I'm sorry about what happened with you and your wife. She was led astray and probably is involved with a cult. A Cult Controls every aspect of a person's life. People are brainwashed in these cults and those who leave the cults have to undergo intensive physoilogical help. Cults come in all faiths.

Jesus did not want his followers to be mindless idiots bent on destruction in their lives and in their families. He want's His children to love each other as their self. He want's them simply to have faith and trust in Him.

Again, I'm sorry about what has happened to your family. I just hope that when you go to court for custody of your children that you will be the victor.

I will pray for you and your children.

[Doomer]

Doomer,

So sorry to hear about your wife. I can tell you this much though: God did *NOT* tell her to divorce you. In fact, He hates divorce. Unless of course you were beating her to within an inch of her life and are doing terrible nasty things to her that shouldn't be uttered aloud, or committing adultery. Aside from that, it wasn't God who told her to divorce you. In fact, the bible even says that if you, who are unequally yoked with her, still want to live with her even though you don't share her beliefs, then its A-ok.

She really needs to sit down and read her bible instead of listening to someone tell her what they think it says. She will find the only reasons divorce is allowed and if you are not doing the above, she has no grounds to divorce you and if she remarries, will be considered an adultress. If you want chapter and verse, let me know, I'll get it for you.

Sue

There was absolutely no grounds for what she did other than me not measuring up to her religious standards. I never even consider violence against her much less do it. I was totally faithful to her and never even came close to cheating on her (I will admit that the thought did cross my mind a time or two :)). I took our wedding vows seriously and knew in my heart that my promises to her were also promises to God.

Let me say again that I made my peace with God a long time ago and I feel his presence in my life everyday. I have always tried to live my life according to my own heart. God is present in my heart, I don't need organized religion.

I'm still, and will be for time, very bitter. I have, and will again, say things that offend women. These are transient thoughts and really don't reflect what is in my heart. I'm just doing the best I can do to cope with my grief. Please forgive me.

I have discovered that the Internet is a single persons dream come true. There is an over abundance of single, available women out there and i've made contact with more than I can handle (gotta slow down :D). I am moving caustiously but there are a hand full that have made a very positive impression on me and that could very well blossem into a full blown romance. At this point in my life, I feel like I now know what I want more than at any other time in the past. I have a lot to offer but wouldn't be surprised if I found someone who had even more.

I don't mind says that if the right woman came along and she happened to be a good christian, I could be easily converted. God knows this and if it be his will then his will be done. I am after all a sucker for love. This is why I'm in the situation I'm in. :)

[mickydoolittle]

I have discovered that the Internet is a single persons dream come true. There is an over abundance of single, available women out there and i've made contact with more than I can handle.

Dude--those aren't all women. :Llol:

[Doomer]

Yep, you're right. I've learned to read the keywords and descriptions very carefully. :D

[alialabdulabakr]

hello everyne

just call me alialabdul, ok?

I am thinking you are all incorrect in your advisement

you need to smoke some kif and sing to yourself "everything's gonna be alright... everything's gonna be alright...no woman no cry", ok?

or go to a trip somwhere maybe....like a island in the desert, or maybe the las vegas, right?

my favorite is Bali island for surfing...many beatiful breasts and asses their for your inspection....and you can eat some mushrroms too!

:toast:

Please be listening to only me for now, because I know how to be relaxing in paradise!

Bob marley is your friend and so is his plants! Are you a black man? If not is ok, whites like to smoke some ganja to you know!

I am here to practice some english with you, ok?

but don't worry surfing is easy...just go to the beach unless you are fat like pigs

bye!
:chopper:

[Doomer]

Doomer,

So sorry to hear about your wife. I can tell you this much though: God did *NOT* tell her to divorce you. In fact, He hates divorce. Unless of course you were beating her to within an inch of her life and are doing terrible nasty things to her that shouldn't be uttered aloud, or committing adultery. Aside from that, it wasn't God who told her to divorce you. In fact, the bible even says that if you, who are unequally yoked with her, still want to live with her even though you don't share her beliefs, then its A-ok.

She really needs to sit down and read her bible instead of listening to someone tell her what they think it says. She will find the only reasons divorce is allowed and if you are not doing the above, she has no grounds to divorce you and if she remarries, will be considered an adultress. If you want chapter and verse, let me know, I'll get it for you.

Sue

Hi Sue, I sent your words of wisdom to her in an email. Told her that this was a very good example of the responses I have gotten on the net and that all of them, like this one, said "God did NOT tell you to divorce you're full of it".

Well lo and behold, I actually got a response from her. I can't stop laughing, she thinks you and me have something going and she's determined to put you down. My rebuttal was carefully thought out and my intent was to cause her as much anguish as possible. I told her that you were a far better Christian than she could ever be and that, unlike her, you truly understood the message contained within the bible. She's steaming mad.
It's a shame really, this would have caused a normal person to think be in her case, all she could do was defend her fanaticism and protect her fragile ego. She believes she's a bible expert and for anyone to cast doubt is to attack her personally.

[alialabdulabakr]

you have a new beginning for you so use it!

forget about that nasty woman, go sail a boat around the world.

The bible tells you to relax, drink a beer and smoke some ganja!

people are too stress, you know?

:alien:

[Doomer]

you have a new beginning for you so use it!

forget about that nasty woman, go sail a boat around the world.

The bible tells you to relax, drink a beer and smoke some ganja!

people are too stress, you know?

:alien:

You're right, alialabdulabakr. I do have a new beginning and I've come to realize that without her, it wouldn't be so.

"forget about that nasty woman" - I like that. :) Wish I had the time and money to sail around the world. :)

Dunno where in the bible it says that but it sounds good to me. :)

Te stress situation is getting better. :)

[Defiant Noquisi]

Thanks guys,
Unfortunately, I don't have the financial resources to mount a credible battle. It's truly sad that justice is reserved for those who can afford it. In this case, I cannot. What makes you think I could afford it? Im STILL paying lawyers from five years ago. Do you think for one minute that Maleko is rich himself? The difference (and Im blunt) is that it appears that you would rather wallow in sorrow than champion your own kids. Not to mention the vast amount of single ladies on the internet. If your wife is that much of nut, I feel damned sorry for those kids.


I live in Ga. and it's my understanding that the mother automatically gets physical custody unless it can be shown that she is an unfit mother. My cousin in Macon disagrees.


I was told this by a lawyer and by HER. Whoes lawyer told you this, hers? Youre going to believe HER???


My greatest fear is that she would drag our kids along with her.Why blame her? You have chosen to not do anything about it if what you say is true. By your own inaction, you are giving her permission to do just that.


I realize now that asking her to marry me was the biggest mistake of my life. I also realize that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I just wonder what my total bill will be when all is said and done. It's a damn shame you consider the financial cost over what this will cost the kids emotionally as well as mentally. Not only that, you just called half of your kids "mistakes". ALL roads are paved with good intentions. I dont believe that the mistake was YOU marrying HER.


One thing is certain, I'll never marry another American woman again. I have come to believe what the Internet says about them. :( REALLY? Im as Amerikkkan as they come but if the internet says Im a bitch for speaking the truth then so be it. The likelihood of the internet being totally true and without question is a rather erroneous assumption on your part.

Considering your post which I have amassed a huge amount of info from, have you ever considered that it may be YOU thats the problem? Id feel damned sorry that some women may ever be attracted to a guy that places money over the safety of his own children while "scouting" for another woman and all the while is too lazy to find any means neccessary to protect them.

I warned you, Im a child advocate and everything Im posting I have seen, been involved with in some way and/or experienced myself. I champion children, not selfish parents too caught up in their own pity to see reality. Not only that, an "American woman" is the one giving you, a man(?) lock solid advise.

Maybe the "problem" is that American women see you for who you really are.

[Defiant Noquisi]

Bob marley is your friend and so is his plants! Are you a black man? If not is ok, whites like to smoke some ganja to you know!

I am here to practice some english with you, ok?Dude, you are hilarious! Keep posting and not just here. We need some more of this elsewhere! :rolling:

Where is MacRasta when ya need him? :lol:

[light2word]

It wasn't God. It wasn't religion. It was the person she follows. God of the true Christians hate devoie(I cann't even spell it).
Don't throw the baby out with the water. The True God is for you, not against you.
Only people who want to control her and her money would tell her leave you. Knowing you have contol or some say in the money.
Tell her if there is so much trust in these people. Tell these people she has no money or car or house or any earthly goods. Will the church give her these things. If they are willing to break ya'll up. They should support her. Then maybe she will see they are wolfs in sheep covering. Only the true God gives without wanting a return.Matter of Truth: You can be saved because of who God is and not what you can do for Him. That is called Saved by Grace.

[Doomer]

What makes you think I could afford it? Im STILL paying lawyers from five years ago. Do you think for one minute that Maleko is rich himself? The difference (and Im blunt) is that it appears that you would rather wallow in sorrow than champion your own kids. Not to mention the vast amount of single ladies on the internet. If your wife is that much of nut, I feel damned sorry for those kids.

My cousin in Macon disagrees.

Whoes lawyer told you this, hers? Youre going to believe HER???

Why blame her? You have chosen to not do anything about it if what you say is true. By your own inaction, you are giving her permission to do just that.

It's a damn shame you consider the financial cost over what this will cost the kids emotionally as well as mentally. Not only that, you just called half of your kids "mistakes". ALL roads are paved with good intentions. I dont believe that the mistake was YOU marrying HER.

REALLY? Im as Amerikkkan as they come but if the internet says Im a bitch for speaking the truth then so be it. The likelihood of the internet being totally true and without question is a rather erroneous assumption on your part.

Considering your post which I have amassed a huge amount of info from, have you ever considered that it may be YOU thats the problem? Id feel damned sorry that some women may ever be attracted to a guy that places money over the safety of his own children while "scouting" for another woman and all the while is too lazy to find any means neccessary to protect them.

I warned you, Im a child advocate and everything Im posting I have seen, been involved with in some way and/or experienced myself. I champion children, not selfish parents too caught up in their own pity to see reality. Not only that, an "American woman" is the one giving you, a man(?) lock solid advise.

Maybe the "problem" is that American women see you for who you really are.

Gee, you sound just like a feminist.

How can you condem me without knowing me or the details of my situation ? My first and foremost concern are my children. Any battle I engage in with their mother will hurt them. If, in the future, if something happens to warrant a war for the children, you can rest assured I would, and could engage her in a battle to the death if necessary.

Your attitude is a prime example why I will never marry an American woman again. I would tell you what they are good for but I'd probably be banned if I did. In the future, please keep in mind that I place zero value on your opinion so don't bother giving it.

[Doomer]

It wasn't God. It wasn't religion. It was the person she follows. God of the true Christians hate devoie(I cann't even spell it).
Don't throw the baby out with the water. The True God is for you, not against you.
Only people who want to control her and her money would tell her leave you. Knowing you have contol or some say in the money.
Tell her if there is so much trust in these people. Tell these people she has no money or car or house or any earthly goods. Will the church give her these things. If they are willing to break ya'll up. They should support her. Then maybe she will see they are wolfs in sheep covering. Only the true God gives without wanting a return.Matter of Truth: You can be saved because of who God is and not what you can do for Him. That is called Saved by Grace.

Thanks for the kind words light2word. This pretty much reflects the majority opinion I've gotten here and elsewhere.

btw: I have had the kids every weekend since the divorce which is fine with me but I can't help but wonder what this self professed "Good Christian Woman" is doing with all this free time.

At this point in time, I'm really on the fence as far as religion in general and Christianity in particular is concerned. On the one had, I want to condem both but on the other had I have met a few wonderful Christians that have caused me to doubt what my heart is telling me. The right person could easily swing me one way or the other. Dunno if that's a good thing or bad. Only time will tell.

[Defiant Noquisi]

Gee, you sound just like a feminist. Really? Since when does advocating childrens protection and your lack of action in protecting them sound feminist? What an amazing concept for you to fathom but I learned all about child advocacy from MEN, not women. The staff psychologist I volunteered under is male, the legal advocates I learned from are male, the guardian ad lidem's I learned the law from are male, the social workers I have learned from are male and the magistrates Ive gone before are male. Its interesting that I speak from a male point of view but since I am female I get labeled a feminist. Saying I sound like a feminist is a weak excuse considering the ignorance you posted.


How can you condem me without knowing me or the details of my situation ? I never condemed you, I posted the truth of what I saw in what YOU posted. Remember this from my very first post to you?
Heya Doomer, sorry about whats going on in your life, its gotta suck. However, Im throwing my 2 beads in since I advocate for children that are victims of domestic violence. Obviously, Im just going by what you posted and do not personally know your situation. Also, if you have supportive family round them up now and make them a part of your "team", dont swallow this and tough it out! I dont have to condemn you, you already gave up the battle yourself and moved on to other frivolities. YOU are the one who brought up how dangerous your wife allegedly is. Just think, if she found another Jim Jones type now what would happen to your children? Imagine how long you would be kicking yourself in the ass and saying, "If I had only....".


My first and foremost concern are my children. Any battle I engage in with their mother will hurt them. If, in the future, if something happens to warrant a war for the children, you can rest assured I would, and could engage her in a battle to the death if necessary. I see, and this of course, does not qualify or warrant a battle?
If she had been in the right place at the right time she would have followed Jim Jones to Ghana in a heartbeat. Or this?
Her fanaticism has really frightened me the last couple of years What you dont seem to realize since you are too busy scouting new conquests online is that any battle you engage in hurts everyone. However, children are very resilient. They will get over the effects of the battle if you are the father you claim to be. But, if your wife is the nutcase you claim the damage to the children will be lifelong! Isnt that enough to wage war on her sick excuse for a woman?

When my ex abducted my son I felt the same way, I wasnt going to fight because I didnt want to hurt him anymore than he already was. But I couldnt let it go. How could I let him live a life like that, brainwashed into believing I didnt love him? If I hadnt fought for him I wouldve proved my ex right! Now that hes older he understands full well what happened and what kind of person almost destroyed our relationship and he is grateful that I never gave up for him. He posts on this board now. He is on a three week road trip right now but when he gets back ask him yourself from a childs point of view. His nic is Lucifer666.


Your attitude is a prime example why I will never marry an American woman again. I would tell you what they are good for but I'd probably be banned if I did. In the future, please keep in mind that I place zero value on your opinion so don't bother giving it. I see, so my attitude in placing the safety of children above all else is grounds for you to insinuate that I am only good enough for a piece of ass is that it? I think the mods would probably let you slide on that one towards me because in my world it would be a compliment. I cant say the same for you though, laziness doesnt qualify for boy-toy material. And your comment about "American women" is ignorant. How can you justify that all American women are trouble? Or, is it because we have brains and we dont fall for your feeble minded attempt to subjugate us with your idea of what a woman "should" be? If this is true you better get a new set because you are reflecting badly on what is truly good and wholesome about the male species.

However, it still doesnt excuse the fact that you are martrying yourself to get out from under the responsibility of your children. In essence, we are to feel sorry for you because she became a jeebus freak but we are to ignore the possible life-long effects your wife may allegedly have on your children and the fact you gave up on them without even trying. This is the truth of what you posted.

Your not the only one to ignore my advice, I gave my ex every opportunity and tool to beat me but he is no different than any other fool. Tell people the truth and they wont believe you, tell them a lie and its cast in stone.

Prove me wrong and fight for your kids if you are the man you say you are! Even if you didnt win, you would know and have the proof that you have done everything possible to protect them. Even if you lost but it was proven your wifes beliefs were "extreme" they could do something to monitor the well being of the children.

Dont you get it? Are you truly that arrogant? This isnt about you! Its about the safety of your kids! Prove me wrong!

[Doomer]

Wow. where do I begin.

My son will be 14 in October. He will then have a choice as to who he will live with. We haven't discussed it but we will. I feel that if he can overcome the fear for his domineering mother, he will come live with me. He's pretty much closed lipped at this point like any other teenager his age but time will tell.

My 12 year old daughter has told me in no uncertain terms that when she turns 14 she is coming to live with me. She even knew that at 14, she has the legal right to choose which parent she will live with. I didn't tell her so I suspect there has been some talk going on that even mama doesn't know about.

My main concern is for Maggie. She just turned 7 and is the most venurable. Right now she would rather be with me because, in her words "she has more fun". She's just discovered the joy of playing in the rain. This is something mama would never let her do.

If it comes to pass that the older kids do come live with me, that will leave Maggie alone. I'm not happy with this. Our former family will be even more fragmented and this is not good for the kids.

The ideal situation, as far as I'm concerned would be for me to end up with all 3 of them. Then mama could go do whatever she wanted to do and I couldn't care less. There is a possibility of this happening so for now I'll sit tight.

[MacRasta]

I just hope they stay together. :thumbs:

Mac

[Doomer]

Yea, me too. Even tho they fight like cats and dogs, separating them would hurt them.

I just wish she would have hung in there at least until the youngest reached her teens. It's a shame that I was more dedicated to the kids than she was.

[Vertigocontinuum]

I am sorry to hear that, I am not married So i cant relate, but I would try and se where she is coming from for her spontanious religeos obsession/fetish. I dont agree with relationships being torn apart in "gods name" or because" god says so" or its against" gods law"

[Doomer]

I am sorry to hear that, I am not married So i cant relate, but I would try and se where she is coming from for her spontanious religeos obsession/fetish. I dont agree with relationships being torn apart in "gods name" or because" god says so" or its against" gods law"
My point exactly. To destroy a marriage and a family in God's name is just plain wrong.

[Defiant Noquisi]

If it comes to pass that the older kids do come live with me, that will leave Maggie alone. I'm not happy with this. Our former family will be even more fragmented and this is not good for the kids.

The ideal situation, as far as I'm concerned would be for me to end up with all 3 of them. Then mama could go do whatever she wanted to do and I couldn't care less. There is a possibility of this happening so for now I'll sit tight. If the kids have a really good relationship with each other and are close, they probably wouldnt be split, (as in Maggie being left behind) it would be too traumatic for her. Plus, if they (the older kids) were asked and said they wanted the youngest to be with them, it would be taken into consideration. But right now whats the most important is their safety.

Good luck, just dont sit on your ass and take it!

[Wraith13]

Well, about a month ago, she came to me and told me God told her to divorce me. She said I was a heathen.

Well, it does say in the bible that religion is the work of the devil, so you nailed it dead on there. As far as God telling her to divorce you, bullcrap. Once again, Satan. I have said it once, I'll say it again, most "churches" are so far off the path that its amazing they even hold themselves together. One in particular comes to mind. I have been a victim of these people before, those who condemn instead of coming in fellowship, and I pity them. I don't tell people they are going to hell, cause I DON'T KNOW! I hate religion with a fervent passion, for religion saves not men, but dooms them. Faith is the path I walk, as some of you know. I am sorry that this happened and you have my condolences. Hopefully you will get to see your kids regularly, no man should ever be cut off from his own kids. I couldn't stand it if I didn't get to see my little girl, she is my light on this earth, I just simply couldn't bear to lose her.

[Doomer]

Thanks Wraith13. :)

Could you tell me where in the bible it says religion is the work of the devil. That would be some mighty powerful ammo and a most profound truth found exactly where it should be found. :)

[pixel]

sorry to hear about the miserable stuff....but all will be ok in the end :bye:

[dutchie]

hello everyne

just call me alialabdul, ok?

I am thinking you are all incorrect in your advisement

you need to smoke some kif and sing to yourself "everything's gonna be alright... everything's gonna be alright...no woman no cry", ok?

or go to a trip somwhere maybe....like a island in the desert, or maybe the las vegas, right?

my favorite is Bali island for surfing...many beatiful breasts and asses their for your inspection....and you can eat some mushrroms too!

Please be listening to only me for now, because I know how to be relaxing in paradise!

Bob marley is your friend and so is his plants! Are you a black man? If not is ok, whites like to smoke some ganja to you know!

I am here to practice some english with you, ok?

but don't worry surfing is easy...just go to the beach unless you are fat like pigs

bye!



WTF?????!??? Who let that looney in?!? :alcoholic :confused:

[Defiant Noquisi]

WTF?????!??? Who let that looney in?!? :alcoholic :confused: I dont know, but I find him refreshingly hilarious in "loose in the caboose" sort of way. :Bott:

[dutchie]

I dont know, but I find him refreshingly hilarious in "loose in the caboose" sort of way. :Bott:
Yeah, I know what you mean.. But this one was so shamessly out of place and order, it made my toes curl.. I almost put my mod cannon into place..

[Defiant Noquisi]

Yeah, I know what you mean.. But this one was so shamessly out of place and order, it made my toes curl.. I almost put my mod cannon into place.. Yes, it is in stark contrast to what the topic is really about, and I have met people that are severely happy-go-lucky like that, frightening. However, I respectfully disagree on "cannonizing" considering some of the equally deep piles of smelly doodoo that have been posted in this thread. Such as spilling guts regarding fears of childrens safety and then doing an about face to brag about the numerous amount of p00n that can be discovered via the internet. Lest I forget it being all the fault of American women. :bs:

Of course, it is your call to make and I now respectfully digress to your mod cannon. :Bow:

[Doomer]

I doubt that God had ANYTHING to do with the destruction of your marriage.It sound like the girl was totally UNHAPPY in the marriage, and using God as an excuse. Maybe you should look back and honestly open your eyes as to what the problems TRULY were in your marriage. I would lay money on it that there were more problems than Religion. Unfortunatly for your kids there is a lot of bitterness and blame. You should never have kids if you dont think you could look at that person every other weekend for 18 years haha. And if you THINK before you get married you would know this. :ohmy:

Cherisa, did you register on this site just to critizize me ? Shame on you. I place no value in your opinion at all so sxave your breath, honey. :(

My ex's life is going to shit daily. She is deteriorating financially and emotionally. The house is literally falling apart due to her complete apathy. The kids are telling her in not so subtle ways that they'd rather be with me and are calling me several times a day telling me the same. This is very very sad.

Because of the laws of the land, I am powerless. I am hoping that I will end up with them in the next couple of years (or sooner) but I will forever be bitter against american women and there divorce mentality and the law that allows and encourages the suffering of children at the hands of these women. This is why America is turning into a nation of misguided youth. These youth will one day run the country. I shudder to think of the consequences. :(

For you women who read the above and disagree, know that this is my OPINION and nothing you say will alter it in any way. If you don't like it then read no further in this thread. I have tried to say this as nicely as I possible and as a result, doesn't express how I truly feel but it's the best I can do.

[Defiant Noquisi]

Shame on you. I place no value in your opinion at all so sxave your breath, honey. :( Pay no attention to the spineless clown behind the curtain Cherisa. Shame on him for using an ignorant sexist term since his own vocabulary probably isnt much more than "ooga booga" unless it is copy/pasted. BTW, welcome to the fire pit known as the AO forums. :D


Because of the laws of the land, I am powerless. This type of statement proves what kind of mentality is behind the person posting. I am in complete agreement with the last word.


I am hoping that I will end up with them in the next couple of years (or sooner) but I will forever be bitter against american women and there divorce mentality and the law that allows and encourages the suffering of children at the hands of these women. This is why America is turning into a nation of misguided youth. These youth will one day run the country. I shudder to think of the consequences. :( Im shuddering to know that there are still ignorant misogynist males out there who blame all of lifes ills on women and never admitting that it takes two. Kinda strange his comment about "divorce mentality" since it was MEN in the positions of power that made divorce legal in the first place. OOOPSS!! The kids may be suffering because you arent capable of getting up off your behind and fighting for them. You want it handed to you by them begging instead.


For you women who read the above and disagree, know that this is my OPINION and nothing you say will alter it in any way. If you don't like it then read no further in this thread. I have tried to say this as nicely as I possible and as a result, doesn't express how I truly feel but it's the best I can do. Only a spineless jellyfish coward of a man would post the ignorant bs you have provided in this thread. You expect the American women to bow at your feet in a subserviant position and hand you all that you desire while being at your beck and call.

Im beginning to believe that Charisa is right, the old lady probably RAN as fast as she could to get out from under the insufferable cad she married. Hes just standing by while the kids call him, IF they call him that many times a day. Instead of going in and rectifying the situation, hes scouting for p00n on the internet. Not that a piece of ass is a bad thing. Sure beats being responsible for your kids. Truly, what a convenience to blame everything on someone else without any fault whatsoever on your part.

Oh yes, and this last gem of intellect...


Cherisa, did you register on this site just to critizize me ?

How incredibly arrogant to think that. Ill bet it slipped his mind that you may have joined for reasons other than to cater to his need of attention.

[Doomer]

Thanks for your input Defiant Noquisi, I'm sure others will find it amusing.

[Defiant Noquisi]

I hope not. I hope they see it for what it really is. I hope they see it as the "poor me" pity party that you invited everyone to so they could come and feel sorry for you. They get to feel sorry for you while you blame religion and American women for all the problems in your life and society's ills. How mature and informative.

And while you think you have everyone blindsided with your snivelling, there are kids out there in danger (a collective thought using your own posts as proof) while "daddy" looks for women on the internet. Instead of being a mature adult and owning up to your own responsibility, you blame everything on someone who is not here to defend herself by presenting her side.

No, instead of taking serious what I told you, you instead lament some more, proclaim how hopeless your situation is and accuse me of being a feminist even though the information I gave you was to HELP you, but mostly YOUR CHILDREN. No, instead of seeing any value whatsoever in the experience that I have in child advocacy cases very similar to what you have described, you act as though *I* am the enemy just because I happen to be an American woman. Complete stupidity and cowardice.

Feel sorry for yourself all you want, but to a rational person all you have proven is how lazy and misogynist you are, how little you will actually do for your "endangered" children and how you sit by and await the world to be handed to you on a silver platter.

If you dont want to be countered by this AMERICAN WOMAN, dont post ignorant, masochistic tripe. Ill expose it for what it really is every time you do. My cousin in Macon is astounded by your misguided attempts to garner sympathy. Oh yes BTW, HE got custody of his kids in the same state as you, the court nor the law automatically gave them to her and his lawyer was an AMERICAN WOMAN. Im glad there are much better examples of real men here who dont have to resort to callous, spineless rhetoric towards women in their posting as you have done here. You are no MAN, a snivelling loser is a more apt description.

If you want your ass kissed honey, sometimes you have to bend over. :Bott:

[dutchie]

Cherisa, did you register on this site just to critizize me ? Shame on you. I place no value in your opinion at all so sxave your breath, honey. :(

My ex's life is going to shit daily. She is deteriorating financially and emotionally. The house is literally falling apart due to her complete apathy. The kids are telling her in not so subtle ways that they'd rather be with me and are calling me several times a day telling me the same. This is very very sad.

Because of the laws of the land, I am powerless. I am hoping that I will end up with them in the next couple of years (or sooner) but I will forever be bitter against american women and there divorce mentality and the law that allows and encourages the suffering of children at the hands of these women. This is why America is turning into a nation of misguided youth. These youth will one day run the country. I shudder to think of the consequences. :(

For you women who read the above and disagree, know that this is my OPINION and nothing you say will alter it in any way. If you don't like it then read no further in this thread. I have tried to say this as nicely as I possible and as a result, doesn't express how I truly feel but it's the best I can do.

I would have shot you in stead of divorcing you. And I am a man...
Jesus you are an arrogant SOB, aren't you?? Go and stick your sorry excuse for a marriage up yours. And one more insult to the other members just for placing questionmarks besides your whining, and I will personally kick you off the board. :Bott: :wlink:

[Defiant Noquisi]

Welcome to AO Cherisa, there are alot of topics here that have much more intellect that this moronic garbage spewing. Feel free to read about and post.

Im beginning to think that maybe him getting custody of the children is NOT in their best interests but without the wife's side it would be impossible to know.

I feel sorry most for his two daughters who will grow up to be American Women. Those two very well might grow up with negative self esteem issues the size of Mt Everest with the ignorant masochistic BS hes spewing. They may even grow up to become abusive towards men with the kind of subjugation of women he alludes to in his posts. I cant even bring myself to call him a pig, I would be putting pigs down and its glaringly obvious they have much more intelligence.

Not to mention the vile hatred and want of revenge against his wife. Those girls have everything stacked against them since they are just as much a part of her as they are of him. They dont have a chance at a decent start in life with that kind of negativity surrounding them.

You are right, the oldest two are old enough for player tactics. With all the BS I see, it wouldnt be far fetched to believe the possibility of it occuring.

Dutchie, you are the man! Im saving mine for something worthwhile, like feeding my family instead wasting valuable rounds shooting at sewage. Him being a miserable lackintestickles loser the rest of his life is punishment enough. :drool: :eww:

[Doomer]

Maybe you and me should get together. :)

[DontBeAfraid]

Can you not go into detail because you are making it up??? Seriously, go into detail if this is true.

[evilwill]

It doesn't sound like religion is at fault.

[dutchie]

Jesus Christ himself will have to hand deliver the next one or at least drop him from the sky and hell have to land right in front of me with a big neon sign that says "THE ONE" before Ill have another relationship...well, all of those things together don't seem very likely to happen at once, so we can discard you for the male side of humanity for the rest of your days, just because you fell for 1 lunatic??

Grow up, Cherisa. Get a life. There's a whole world of normal people out there (not counting Doomer of course :Blbl:) !!

[bbbv3.5]

Dutchies right. Stop bitching and start a new chapter of your life. And this site isnt about you crying over a jack ass husband. its about politics andarmageddon. So get the hell off if this is what is to come. Listen...go dump him...get an apartment....get a dog for company (beagle) and try to date every man til you find someone. No sex because you do not want to get knocked up with a man who is not right for you.

[DontBeAfraid]

It really doesnt sound like religion was at fault..... You just picked a loser, thats not your fault either if he did in fact change after you married.

[bbbv3.5]

But does she need to post it on armageddononline. Or on my HUSBAND SUCKS forums.

[dutchie]

It's a free world, bbb. If she wants to post about religion being the cause of her crappy marriage, then by all means, let her post.

[bbbv3.5]

But you still need your reasons! I can say i like expresso and yet have no proof. :dork:

[Defiant Noquisi]

Constant bitching about EVERYTHING,checking on me every 2 min, leaving work to "catch me" doing something stalking me Trying to controll every move I made,from what I ate to what I wore, telling me that I dont know whats good for me. This man was a great man when we were dating and tricked me into marrying him. Spending all my money to turn around and break up whatever it was he just bought. Very angry and very destructive. Possibly demon possesed I am better off now. Is that enough info? If he has moved from the house and yet continues this activity then why are you putting up with it? This is STALKING! Have you been reporting this to the police? Have you attained a protection order? If you havent done everything legally possible you are giving him permission to continue to act in this manner!

Additionally, in your first post it seems as if you expected him to change his ways for you.


When I met my (soon to be ex ) husband I thought there were things that werent quite right about his christianty,but I beleived it was "meant to be" and I believed that God was working on him slowly but surely. The thing is, unless he was good enough to begin with why marry him? Since you married him even though you aware of certain flaws it in a sense gave him permission to continue them. Marriage and/or religion doesnt "fix" people, only they themselves can choose whether or not they will change.

Its that "hunter" mentality, there is the "chase", (where people say and do things to impress/attract the other) the "kill" (either by "secured" relationship or marriage) and the "bag" (where they move in together). Guess what? If you dont field dress it and clean it out (as in continue to work) it just ends up a rotting corpse. Likewise, if you "bag" a loser, you get less than the best and in essence are asking for it.

Its an ugly mess, you invested time and heart into it but chalk it up as a learning experience unless he really is stalking you! Then spank him with every law you can protect yourself with! Otherwise, keep your chin up, never settle for less than the best next time and dont resort to punishing the entire male species for what that loser allegedly has done/is doing to you.

There really are alot of great guys out there. I just happen to enjoy a few rather than just one. <wink>

[Defiant Noquisi]

Just wait a second!! How can you publically post all the things that he is allegedly doing to you and then not see the danger in it? Instead you deflect it towards money? I would almost be tempted to say that you are no worse than Doomer but he is truly worse since there are children being used as pawns involved.

You knew he worshipped Satan yet you threw your own beliefs to the wind and married him anyway? It appears it is YOU who is being taught a lesson here.


When you embrace evil you act evil. Isnt that what you did?

Self serving people are truly in need of the best life's lessons have to offer. You came to the wrong place in looking for pity. :wlink:

[bbbv3.5]

You got served by a mom!!! :D

[Doomer]

Been there done that.. Jesus Christ himself will have to hand deliver the next one or at least drop him from the sky and hell have to land right in front of me with a big neon sign that says "THE ONE" before Ill have another relationship.
Yep, I feel the same way but haven't given up on miracles just yet. :)

[dutchie]

Maybe you two should cyber privately in the chatroom... :hug:

[evilwill]

I know a few satanists that are very calm, nice people.

[evilwill]

Answer me this. I don't believe in god or any other deity. Am I a satan worshipper?

[evilwill]

I see. It's good to see that you aren't one of those christians that accuses anyone differen of being a satan worshipper. I do agree with your definition, you cannot believe in satan and not believe in god, the two walk hand-in-hand.

For the record, I don't believe in satan either.

[bbbv3.5]

Evilwill, do you think when you die nothing happens??? I mean there has to be a reason why we are alive???

[dutchie]

Yes. The purpose of life is life itself. It naturally ends with us being brought back into this earth, to add to its resources. Sorry for jumping in here, Will - but I have a small suspicion our views do not differ so much on this.

[evilwill]

Evilwill, do you think when you die nothing happens??? I mean there has to be a reason why we are alive???

I believe when we die it is the end of consciousness, so yeh.... nothing. I don't think there has to be a reason.

Well put Hans, we do share the same views here.

[Cherisa]

Do some research into NDEs and you will find that not all of the people have seen the light alot of them have seen flames :abduct:

[dutchie]

Oooooooh.... scarey..... :devsmoke:

BTW, there is a little chemical that causes NDE´s.. If you inject it, you'll see flames too, Cherisa...

[Cherisa]

Is it called heroin?

[evilwill]

NDEs. Whilst you may be officially dead in these so called NDEs, your brain will not die immediately. Enough said.

[dutchie]

Is it called heroin?
Haha!! No, Ketamine...

http://skepdic.com/nde.html

[Doomer]

Hey dutchie, your safe don't have a ding dong. :D

[dutchie]

No, of course not. Did you ever see a safe that had one??

[Doomer]

No, of course not. Did you ever see a safe that had one??
Ok, now I get it. The ultimate safe sex is sex with a ding dong. :D

[repentantsinner]

Not exactly...See Satan worshipers believe in God, they think Satan is going to overthrow God,and they know they are going to hell they just think that they are not going to burn.They see Satan as being more powerful than God and hate God and want to do everything that God is opposed to. Satan wants to be worshiped but he will take whatever he can get, so if he can get you to not believe in anything he still has you, but the difference is you will burn.
Some people think they will go to hell and party with their freinds. Others think there will be no rules in hell and they can do what they want. The biggest lie is people who really hate think they will be given a pitchfork when they get to hell and will torture others. Just my opinion, i've fallen for alot of lies in the past and the whole God/devil thing is real to me. The supernatural devil is more cunning than any human alive, he knows just how to attack a person's weak spots. He will also mix truth with lies, and even give people powers, abilities, make them feel worthy. You can be sure it is all based on a lie that will sooner or later end in betreyal.

[evilwill]

Funny, that's just how I feel about religion.

[repentantsinner]

Funny enough evilwill, given the name i post under i distrust ORGANIZED RELIGION very much. As soon as it becomes organized it is now man made and rivalries for power, corruption,abuse of power etc. begin to happen. I can imagine the spanish inqusition "believe in the mercy of Jesus or we will torture you to death" We've all heard stories of homosexual pedophile priests in the catholic church. How about the process of ex-communication, sin and be cast out to die alone. I remember reading the founder of christianity, Jesus going far out of his way to search out the misfit and the outcast. IMO its best to learn as much about the originator of a religion, id rather call it an attitude adjustment and stick to that.IMO God does not want somebody to dress up in their finest, go to church on sunday,fidget thru the service, smile falsely at everybody else than go home and forget about it for a week. It's more a PERSONAL relationship with my creator and boss, based on my heart and ny intentions twords fellow human beings. And a willingness to trust when tyimes get difficult.

[evilwill]

Organised or not, it matters not to me.

[playmaker88]

Satan wants to be worshiped but he will take whatever he can get, so if he can get you to not believe in anything he still has you, but the difference is you will burn.

Wow! Burn where? Do you worship God out of fear of an eternal roasting? It is not Satan who has fired my lack of belief.

What if the next American president who gets in says 'Everyone who voted for me, come join me at the White House', 'All those who didn't go jump in the fire', sounds a bit extreme but rings a few bells with me. That's what your fair and just God basically says.

The biggest coo is your God getting you all to worship her/him/it out of supposed love when really if your God truly exists then he/it/she is in all probability (judging by the book) both Godly and Satanic.

I could of course have it all wrong and if I do then I hope someone like Repentantsinner goes to heaven because RS seems to be in it for the right reasons.

[mickydoolittle]

There are of course no justifably right reasons to follow any religion.

[mickydoolittle]

Jesus Christ himself will have to hand deliver the next one ...

What makes you so certain that Jesus Christ himself is interested in hand delivering you anything with the attitude displayed in the above quote?

Moreover, why should you be singled out in lieu of anyone of the other 6.5 billion ppl on my planet who deserve some recognition from the alleged almighty?

This is the exact problem I have with the self purported followers of Christ that believe they deserve something special because they themselves are special. We are all human beings, AMERICAn's are the only one's who are special.

Where is the difference of my rant v. theirs?

I am going to assume that the regulars understand my posted statements concerning speciality and AMERICA. If you don't get it, keep reading my posts--you soon will.

[dutchie]

Welcome back, Micky. :D

[mickydoolittle]

Thank you Hans. :D

[dutchie]

We are all human beings, AMERICAn's are the only one's who are special.

Yeah right.. :ohmy: :Blbl:

[dutchie]

The ban was for 1 month.

[dutchie]

That is between the mods and Micky.

[playmaker88]

he will take whatever he can get, so if he can get you to not believe in anything he still has you, but the difference is you will burn.

This is was I was quoting. I apparently belong to the devil because I don't believe in God?

It would seem that the Devil does not need to be worshipped, while God demands it with threats. I can't seem to make out the lines between GoOD anD EVIL.

[dutchie]

It seems to me we've had this before...

Nobody will burn, Cherisa.

The only thing the bible says about hell, is that is it a state of separation from God. There will be crying and grinding of teeth (or something like that, if I remember correctly). Hell as being a place of torment with fire and all that, has been made up by the catholic church to scare people into believing.

It is a childish fairytale.

[Doomer]

Cherisa, you should never say never. God moves in mysterious way. :D

[Strife]

It seems to me we've had this before...

Nobody will burn, Cherisa.

The only thing the bible says about hell, is that is it a state of separation from God. There will be crying and grinding of teeth (or something like that, if I remember correctly). Hell as being a place of torment with fire and all that, has been made up by the catholic church to scare people into believing.

It is a childish fairytale.

Hmm, I don't know dutchie I think your wrong on that one.

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" (Revelation 21:8).

[dutchie]

Is this quote talking about a present hell, or about some punishment yet to come? We're talking revelations, no?

[playmaker88]

Hmm, I don't know dutchie I think your wrong on that one.

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" (Revelation 21:8).

Well, if THE BOOK says it exists, then it must be true, eh? That's all the proof that YOU need.

[DontBeAfraid]

Im writing a book....

[dutchie]

well, then its contence must be true, DBA... BTW, what's it about?!? :grin

[DontBeAfraid]

Safes doin it

[mickydoolittle]

Iblah blah blah nothing important blah blah blah. I thought you were banned.

It is quite apparent that my earlier posts are of course being repeatedly proven completely true. Your words have been used as you intended with no twisting. More often than not, every apparent aspect of someone siding with typical close-minded fundies is becoming such the obvious result, that I can't believe I bothered to extend an olive branch in the first place.

I am of course readily vindicated by such behaviour.

Congratulations, you have made the ignore list of -MD- faster than any other member of the board to date; and that includes CF. How's that for your thinking?

Way to go superstar. Maybe the big JC will drop that dreamboat of yours from the sky now. . .

[Strife]

Is this quote talking about a present hell, or about some punishment yet to come? We're talking revelations, no?

I'm not too sure if its a present hell, but it sure is Revelations alright. I haven't experienced reading the whole bible (semi New Testament so far) , I just thought that I had to correct what you said about the bible. That makes me think.. Its also ironic today that this kid I met in the streets handed me small panflet titled, "¿ES EL INFIERNO PARTE DE LA JUSTICIA DIVINA?" translated, " Is hell part of the divine justice?". This kid told me that it talks about hell and how it is misinterpreted. I haven't read it yet myself...

[evilwill]

I was saying what SATAN worshipers believe .Maybe its spontanous human combustion.HAHAHAHA I personally think that satan worshipers go to hell they burn too.

That doesn't make any sense. Why would satan punish those that defy god and worship him? That would be the stupidist thing he could do...

[Strife]

Didn't Satan rebel against God with humans being one of the reasons for this? I'm pretty sure he wouldn't like humans at all one bit. Plus it is God's punishment, nothing Satan has control of. Then again I could be missing something.

[evilwill]

If satan defied god, then I don't think he has to follow his orders, hence he can do whatever he wants in his supposed domain.

[dutchie]

I don't care what you say; it's YOUR opinion... :rolling:

[playmaker88]

Christians believe that Satan worshippers go to hell and burn right along with the people who dont choose. Ok sombody go off on this

Just as I've been saying all along, your God says accept me or burn. Do you follow christianity because you fear the fire or because you believe it is the right and just thing to do?

It is obvious to me that most people are in it for the net gains, i.e supposed eternal life in paradise and a seat beside their maker (not forgetting the desire not to burn). Your God apparently dishes out threats to everyone, the English word for this is BLACKMAIL. Heaven (wherever it is) must have one major population problem. I just find it strange that it has only been accepting entrants for the last few thousand years.

If this :Bow: is what God wants for eternity then God is no better than any tyrannical dictator in history.

[mysticalzoe]

Cherisa,

"But if you dont give yourself to satan satan gets to punish you." See, this is why I turned from religion because of people like you! Gee because I worship God , satan is going to come after me, which by the way is BS, he doesn't care about you, you are nothing to him, all he cares about is power that is why he goes after people like politics, the president, and so on. So get off of it, and no God did not ruin your marriage you BOTH ruined your marriage, your husband played you really well there, and if you blind by that, thats no ones fault but your own. You cannot blame God for something you both destroyed. if you were stupid enough to marry a satanist, and not realize it, then that is your own fault, deep down you must have known something was not right with this man, and it wasn't because you loved him, it was because you were blind, you couldn't get past the"Oh I love you BS", to see what he really was, so in turn you blame God for messing up your marriage, when really you should blaming yourselves for what happened. I know God doesn't appreciate it, If I was God I would be putting you both through hell, just for blaming me! :grind:

Have A Nice Day!

Jessica

[Doomer]

Jessica, you're obviously an authority on BS as you just dished out a plate full.

It appears that you believe that you know the true nature of God and can speak for him in his absence. It also appears that you also believe that religion is the only path to God. You, and others like you, is why I "believe" all Christians go to hell and wonder why. Yours is a dying "ism" because you believe that hypocrisy is perfectly acceptable. You believe that no matter how heinous the sin against your fellow man, as long as you repent and ask forgiveness, you'll still go to heaven without having to pay for your sin. This is the biggest load of BS of them all. Reasonable, thinking people see right thru your BS. :(

[mysticalzoe]

doomer,
This is coming from someone who doesn't believe in organized religion, I do not go to church every sunday to supposedly save my soul, I just think it's a cope out to blame religion, God, what have you on your problems, thats all i was saying. I know exactly what christians are like, my Dad was a Christian freak, if you did anything he thought was sin a you were going to hell, and all of that. But to blame religion for your problems that is just sad, thats obviously what you all doing, I honestly don't care if you think I am full of BS, I think your all afraid of facing your problems so who do you blame? RELIGION, which I believe RELIGION has nothing to do with it. The problems obviously lies on the inviduals who created them. There is your answer. I don't care what you or what anyone else thinks of me, this is after all just a message board. I think it's funny how people like to blame others, religion,satan,god, for their problems, instead of taking full responsibility for them themselves. Thats all i wanted to say, by the way i think catholics, and any other type of religion is evil! Shows you how much you know about me.

Jessica

P.S. Just to let you know I am not a christian, because of people like you who stereotype, without fully knowing someone.

[Defiant Noquisi]

Jessica, dont buy into Doomer's bs. You should check out his posts in the beginning of this thread. A real winner that one.

[LC Jeffries]

I am a Christian but I don't believe in Churches anymore. Churches to me have actually turned away from the love and sacrifice that Christ has done for us. They are too busy trying to make money and yes I admit, trying to control people. Even the Southern Baptist are trying to get their followers to stay out of politics and they want their followers to put their children into private school. I know I can't afford to do this. I actually have an idea for a school, but lack the funds in which to start one.

I know this is off the topic, but I just want to get on my :mad: Publics schools have turned away from teaching children the necessary classes in order to teach them social programs.

My daughter was in 6th grade last year and instead of teaching the kids spelling, they instead teach them career connections. This is 6th grade. I talked to my daughters teachers and they said that if kids this age are not spelling then they never will. I feel that is a bunch of :bs:

Ok I'm done. :vbroll:

I apologize again Dutchie

[Defiant Noquisi]

I actually have an idea for a school, but lack the funds in which to start one. Have you considered starting out as a homeschool or applying for grant money? Ive got alot of resources I can share with you if you are really interested. Anything beats what schools have turned into now. If you are interested in gabbing back and forth about it you can PM me and we can do it via email. Or we can start a thread. I am a former homeschooler. :grin

[LC Jeffries]

Have you considered starting out as a homeschool or applying for grant money? Ive got alot of resources I can share with you if you are really interested. Anything beats what schools have turned into now. If you are interested in gabbing back and forth about it you can PM me and we can do it via email. Or we can start a thread. I am a former homeschooler.

I would love to get the info but with me, I'm not the type of person who can teach, I just don't have that ability. It takes a special person to be a teacher. Teachers todays struggle with the state and the feds. All I can do is :respect: :Bow: to teachers. They have a very hard job. But I have a good ideas, on what kind of school would be good for the kids.

Even if I where to apply for grant money, I would have to still follows government regs, in order o be reconized as an accredited school.
:pcangry:

Hope you have a wonderful day. Thanks for the info.

[dutchie]

I apologize again Dutchie
Huh?!? No idea why... :dunno:

[LC Jeffries]

For Going Off the Topic. :grin

[mickydoolittle]

I was talking about SATAN worshippers and you all have turned it in to an" I hate God" campain . How you all can twist everything around so that I look like a dodo is beyond me ,You people all you want to do is spew hatred and venom . I think Ive got better things to do than listen or read stuff from angry people this is the lst post I am going to write or read.


Uhhm, we're not the ones making you appear like a 'dodo'. They are your words and they have not been twisted.

L-O-G-I-C

Heheh, that's religion for you--always someone elses fault, isn't it? :rolling: