Now America accuses Iran

[humanhybrid]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;sessionid=S3J0CEBUPSL35QFIQMGSM54AVCBQW JVC?xml=/news/2004/07/18/wiran18.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/07/18/ixnewstop.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=102313 Here we go again! The people who were in the planes that crashed in the 911 iincident were also people that took flying lessons here in the USA and had visas and credit cards. MMMmmm That doesnt matter though for you Bush advocates, right?

[MetalMilitia]

I'm going to start closing all the duplicate threads (of which I'm guilty myself sometimes) because there are already 2 other Iran threads, with this information and more in them.

9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran
http://forums.armageddononline.org/showthread.php?t=2651

US trying to provoke war with Iran?
http://forums.armageddononline.org/showthread.php?t=2542

This is the final warning.

-MM- :crs:

[humanhybrid]

9/11 Commission I thought was diffrent than the US trying to provoke war with Iran? But who am I, You are the man. I follow and obey :jap:

[substand]

Here we go again! The people who were in the planes that crashed in the 911 iincident were also people that took flying lessons here in the USA and had visas and credit cards.

surely you cannot be that much of a fool. Because they took flying lessons here in the US and had visas and credit cards, that means the US trained them, paid for thier training, and wanted them to do what they did.

Equivalence is saying gun manufacturers are responsible for criminals killing people, fast food restaurants are responsible for fat people, and US airlines are responsible for terrorists taking over and flying thier planes into buildings. Rather than putting responsibility where it lies (with those who committed the acts and those who may have paid them to do so) you put responsibility on anyone but.

[humanhybrid]

How is it that it is a good point? Lets here what substand said again;
"surely you cannot be that much of a fool. Because they took flying lessons here in the US and had visas and credit cards, that means the US trained them, paid for thier training, and wanted them to do what they did." It would be foolish to think that our president knowing what was happening the day of 911 and was not moved to act like a commander in cheif when he was told a plane had crashed into the world trade center. But continued to act as though he was a baby sitter at a school ignoring or waiting for the last plane to hit to declare a state of emergency! WHATS FOOLISH HERE! good day! Lets not blame Iran to have a case building for an invasion.

[bbbv3.5]

Listen HH...no one thught the first plane was a terrorist attack...


Almost everyone in my neighborhood (New York City Area) saw it and thought it was an accident. How did anyone think at the time it wasnt. There have been many failed flights that crashed. Bush, me, new york and everyone thought it was an accident! You proabably thought it too. After the second one hit you said in your head "why didnt bush do anything before" and fooled yourself into believing he is an idiot. Some of the bosses of different companies in the WTC told their workers to stay. My father's best friend's wife was let out after the first one hit. She said other people were told to stay. And how is that bushs fault.

And honestly only a true asshole starts blaming people instead of praying and hoping that people come out ok after 9/11. :Bott:

[humanhybrid]

I guess you regularly call people A** holes when you cant understand something very simple. Whatever your excuss bbbv2.0 is I could care less so spare me PLEASE! As far as Bush goes, doesnt change anything. He has already proven by example. Regardless of what people, including himself thought, should have declared an emergency immediatly!!!!! Weather it was thought of as an accident or terrorist act. But did he !!!!!! HE IS A COMMANDER IN CHEIF placed there by the people to protect the american intrests. Regardless of an accident or an act of terroism. Now you need to pray that he is voted out, because as it is there will be an act of terrorism because of his presence trying to serve another term of terrorism against sovereign countries with faulty intelligence. good day! :jap:

[bbbv3.5]

He is trying to get Al Queda and other different kinds of terrorism at the same time???

[Emerald_Dragon]

>Because they took flying lessons here in the US and had visas and credit cards,
>that means the US trained them, paid for thier training,
>and wanted them to do what they did.

well, the School of the Americas has been doing it, why not Pensacola? Mind you, some of the alleged hi-jackers are still alive. Ever hear of Global Hawk? Did you see that video of the hi-jackers at Dulles for Flight 77 that later went into the Pentagon? Did you notice the security camera's timestamp? WOW!! there was none, funny that!?

Moe Atta is still alive and may not have been a fanatic Islamist, find out what he did the night before his suicide flight and where he allegedly sent his money to/from before his one-way trip. Then, you'll know whats up.


>After the second one hit you said in your head "why didnt bush do anything before"

well, letsee, ever hear about the Phoenix memo that briefed him about a possible attack? howbout the August 6th, 2001 meeting minutes that briefed him about a possible attack? howbout the warnings made to Pentagon officials not to fly? howbout the warnings to the San Francisco Mayor not to fly on that day? Stock marktes put options? Linked to the CIA? If you were advised months in advance about a potential attack on U.S. soil, after years of terrorist attacks overseas, wouldn't you have half a brain to do something about it besides go on vacation?

[MetalMilitia]

9/11 this 9/11 that, you're living like nothings happend since that day, and everything that's gone wrong is ignored because of it. Invoking it in every single discussion you have doesn't help. Sure it's sad, and it was a terrible tradgedy, but you have to open your eyes and look what the US is doing.

Yes, We're doing a great job! Billions spent and unspent in Iraq, possible shoratages in troops, and the major reasons for fighting the war were in Iraq complete and utter BS.

Terrorism is on the increase by the way... I don't know how fighting terror with more terror really works though, do they have a book on that?


>After the second one hit you said in your head "why didnt bush do anything before"

Yes. Red flags going up, and he basically ignored them.

"At 8:55, before entering the classroom, the President spoke to National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, who was at the White House. She recalled first telling the President it was a twin engine aircraft- and then a commercial aircraft- that had struck the World Trade Centre..."

Chapter 8

http://www.9-11commission.gov/

Get your facts straight. He went on with the meeting, EVEN after the second one hit... for some 5-12 minutes. I used to dismiss Bush admitting he saw the first plane hit (which was impossible) and chalked it up to a slip of the tongue, as he normally has, but here is solid proof he just sorta went on with his day like nothing happend.

In one section of the Report it does mention that one of the clerics behind the idea did say it was America's support of Israel that was the chief reason for attacking America.

I wonder if anywhere in the Report's recommendations the committee suggests we distance ourselves from Israel as a major first step in reducing the threat? No? Naww..that makes too much sense. Far better we damned near destroy this country than we risk offending 2.6% of the population. I won't name names.

Back on Topic

US pressing allies on Iran

THE US is pressing Britain, France and Germany for strong measures against Iran in response to its violation of a non-proliferation agreement reached with the three last fall, a State Department official said today.

The issue is part of a deepening American concern over recent Iranian activities that range from weapons programs to terrorism.

To head off a potential crisis, some analysts believe the administration should work harder to promote a dialogue with Iran.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10210387%255E1702,00.html

They better. We don't need the 'forgotten' war in Afghanistan, the 'debacle' in Iraq, and a direct assult on the Iranians. It's not good for morale to have troops on 2-3 fronts, I'm sure Hitler could tell you that.

-MM- :crs:

[bbbv3.5]

MM -9/11 this 9/11 that, you're living like nothings happend since that day, and everything that's gone wrong is ignored because of it. Invoking it in every single discussion you have doesn't help. Sure it's sad, and it was a terrible tradgedy, but you have to open your eyes and look what the US is doing.

I know things have happened......ok so how the hell do you get into this theory that all i do is think about 9/11.


MM- Yes, We're doing a great job! Billions spent and unspent in Iraq, possible shoratages in troops, and the major reasons for fighting the war were in Iraq complete and utter BS.

WMDs, terrorist connections. Ok. First reason of war.......WMDs....they have been rying to make them for the past 20 years. I think they made them already. Plus you have three or 4 months pre war time. You can hide them in some pretty good spots can you not??? Also we found shells for chemical bombs before war....do you think they were just some luxury????

Terrorist connections.....everytime i say they were funding terrorist connections you say we were back in the 80s so what is the problem of them doing it now. Now remember what time it is now and we just experienced a terrorist attack.

MM-Terrorism is on the increase by the way... I don't know how fighting terror with more terror really works though, do they have a book on that?


So you want us to do nothing MM??? War is the only way to beat terrorists MM. You want us to be like clinton and do nothing and watch another building fall? You know what...you go to aghanistan and make a peace treaty. :grin

MM- Get your facts straight. He went on with the meeting, EVEN after the second one hit... for some 5-12 minutes. I used to dismiss Bush admitting he saw the first plane hit (which was impossible) and chalked it up to a slip of the tongue, as he normally has, but here is solid proof he just sorta went on with his day like nothing happend.

Ok..he is talking to 1st graders....he starts panicking wouldnt the first graders start panicking. Also the reason he stayed for the extra 10 minutes was because the teacher was making a speech and if we were to leave during the class would think something weird was happening and they would go into a panick. OK so to HH, MM, he didnt do any state of emergency or left at the time because he didnt want to scare a group of first graders. Is that ok with you people???

MM-
In one section of the Report it does mention that one of the clerics behind the idea did say it was America's support of Israel that was the chief reason for attacking America.

I wonder if anywhere in the Report's recommendations the committee suggests we distance ourselves from Israel as a major first step in reducing the threat? No? Naww..that makes too much sense. Far better we damned near destroy this country than we risk offending 2.6% of the population. I won't name names.

Isreal has nukes...and as yousee they are in the middle of war all the time...they could switch on us at antime and bomb our asses so...would you want to there allie. They will be harder to take out than a couple of terrorist groups.

MM-They better. We don't need the 'forgotten' war in Afghanistan, the 'debacle' in Iraq, and a direct assult on the Iranians. It's not good for morale to have troops on 2-3 fronts, I'm sure Hitler could tell you that.

So back to the nothing theory...ok....i will just go kill myself to save the time. :D


This is my last post you guys will be hearing of me for two weeks....so reply your best liberals to my farewell speech..ill be back... :bye:

[Emerald_Dragon]

>So you want us to do nothing MM???

we should think before we act. instead, we took the slightest bit of intel that would allow us to occupy Iraq and said it was so, ignoring all else. then the truth comes out that they weren't really a threat, but hey, we're all safer now than before, the war on terror is being won, "over there", instead of on the streets of America. well duhh, if we didn't have troops in other countries to begin with, chances are good that 911 would not have happened. What was the root cause for OBL to allegedly orchestrate it? Why would our administration allow it to happen? take a look at this video...
http://www.indybay.org/uploads/lonegunmanpilot.mpg

does art imitate life, or what?



>War is the only way to beat terrorists MM.

wrong. when the colonies revolted against the crown, were the terrorists beaten by the monarchy's military?
we are getting terrorized for our support of Israel. If we want the terrorists to stop targetting us, we need to stop supporting terrorists. Think about that.


>Also the reason he stayed for the extra 10 minutes was because the teacher
>was making a speech and if we were to leave during the class would think
>something weird was happening and they would go into a panick.

really? the video captured all that? he didn't look panicked, and neither would his exit have caused panic. Unless of course, he bursts out with, "Oh my gawd, He's speaking to me, he's telling me to save the world and attack Islam!!"


>Isreal has nukes...

duhhh, who do you think gave it to them in the first place. so you're saying that if we don't help them now, they'll likely use them on us? well now, that sounds like a conspiracy, of nuclear blackmail.

[humanhybrid]

When the colonies revolted against the crown, were the terrorists beaten by the monarchy's military?
we are getting terrorized for our support of Israel. If we want the terrorists to stop targetting us, we need to stop supporting terrorists. Think about that. Exceptionally well thought out! Emerald_Dragon Isreal has nuclear weopons and they are the only ones that are not regulated by any agency nor country. GOOD DAY

[MetalMilitia]

WMDs, terrorist connections. Ok. First reason of war.......WMDs....they have been rying to make them for the past 20 years. I think they made them already. Plus you have three or 4 months pre war time. You can hide them in some pretty good spots can you not??? Also we found shells for chemical bombs before war....do you think they were just some luxury????

Show me the WMD's. I don't know how many times I have to point out whay we said they had, as compared to what we have found... which is insignifigent. Everything found thus far, has been left over from the Iraq-Iran war. No Antrhrax, No Nuclear arms, no moblie labs. I have more harmful chemicals in my garage.


So you want us to do nothing MM??? War is the only way to beat terrorists MM. You want us to be like clinton and do nothing and watch another building fall? You know what...you go to aghanistan and make a peace treaty. :grin

I expect when you turn into a rational adult, you will make the decision to go off and fight for this great country. Power to ya.

I'm simply looking at it from a rational point of view. The conquest of Iraq yielded none of the weapons of mass destruction we were warned about, no direct link to Al Qaeda, and no link to 9-11, even though the US was exposed as a nation that tortures innocent prisoners, even though the dictator the US installed in Iraq has already been proven to be just as ill-tempered as Saddam was supposed to be, the US Government actually thinks Americans are stupid enough to fall for the same propaganda all over again with Iran. War on 3 fronts = bad idea. You do the math.


Ok..he is talking to 1st graders....he starts panicking wouldnt the first graders start panicking. Also the reason he stayed for the extra 10 minutes was because the teacher was making a speech and if we were to leave during the class would think something weird was happening and they would go into a panick. OK so to HH, MM, he didnt do any state of emergency or left at the time because he didnt want to scare a group of first graders. Is that ok with you people???

He didn't have to even go to the meeting. He learned of the first crash before entering that school. That is now on the record. Any rational person may have remembered looking at all sorts of reports stating "Al Quaida determined to strike US" and put 2+2 together.


Isreal has nukes...and as yousee they are in the middle of war all the time...they could switch on us at antime and bomb our asses so...would you want to there allie. They will be harder to take out than a couple of terrorist groups.

That makes me feel much safer. Allow one rogue nation that defies the UN on a daily basis, and let them bully there way around because they have nukes. Lovely.


This is my last post you guys will be hearing of me for two weeks....so reply your best liberals to my farewell speech..ill be back... :bye:

Best news I've heard in weeks. You weren't referring to me as a LIEberal now were you?

PS-Learn to use the quote button.

-MM- :crs: