stewey
Jul 18th, 2004, 9:41 PM
http://www.badnarik.org/
member of libertarian party:
http://www.lp.org
member of libertarian party:
http://www.lp.org
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Conservative Front
Jul 19th, 2004, 12:27 AM
My biggest problem with the libertarian party is:
1) Immigration Policys
2)Illegal Drugs Policys
3)Active ACLU and Civil rights policys
and my supportive nature towards the liberatian platform is:
1) Tax policys
2) Gun Policys
3) Less Government
however, the 3 I support are also supported by Republicans.
I have some other problems with the libertarain platform those are just my biggest complaints and they don't offer enough to me and in what I believe in to swing my vote.
1) Immigration Policys
2)Illegal Drugs Policys
3)Active ACLU and Civil rights policys
and my supportive nature towards the liberatian platform is:
1) Tax policys
2) Gun Policys
3) Less Government
however, the 3 I support are also supported by Republicans.
I have some other problems with the libertarain platform those are just my biggest complaints and they don't offer enough to me and in what I believe in to swing my vote.
DontBeAfraid
Jul 19th, 2004, 5:20 AM
Ya, civil rights are a real bitch.... freedom, who needs it.
dutchie
Jul 19th, 2004, 5:24 AM
:grin It's always refreshing to see cynicism at work...
stewey
Jul 19th, 2004, 7:01 AM
Well, I should say I don't know if I am voting for him yet. I would love to vote for him, but this isn't the year to vote for a 3rd party candidate. I would much rather Bush win than Kerry, and I do not think Badnarik has much of a chance. If it were a "no chance" or a "shoe in" for Bush I would vote for Badnarik, but Wisconsin is a crucial state this year.
substand
Jul 21st, 2004, 2:48 AM
God bless libertarians... even though we may be huge sinners, at least we subscribe to the number one rule God has- free will (as is shown in the first 2 stories in the bible (both being about the original creation)).
1) Immigration Policys
2)Illegal Drugs Policys
3)Active ACLU and Civil rights policys
What is it about the libertarian immigration policies you don't like? I know they are for "more open" borders, but there are many ways in which that could possibly help (especially with the war on terror)... at a minimum, its not like Bush or Kerry would do anything different that we currently have (or at least Kerry has not said as much, and Bush doesn't seem to care).
About illegal drug policies, there is ample evidence to sugguest that legalizing drugs would make everyone safer.... see the history of alcohol prohibition as a start.
About "ACLU" et al, wtf do you mean? The libertarians were one of the first to file suit against the illegal (imo) McCain-Feingold bill / law (which Bush signed "thinking" it would get overturned in the courts but which didnt) .... Among others to file suit were the ACLU and NRA. So which parts are bad?
and my supportive nature towards the liberatian platform is:
1) Tax policys
2) Gun Policys
3) Less Government
however, the 3 I support are also supported by Republicans.
First, republicans dont support your tax policies, assuming you want less taxes. What they do seem to support from what they've done is "lower taxes, increased (or same) spending" so that while we may pay less taxes now, the increased spending will cause our kids to pay more in taxes. Of course democrats are not much better, but republicans certainly aren't the model of how we could have lower taxes. Libertarians talk about how to END the income tax. Republicans talk about how to LOWER it and leave the requirement (not possibility) open for future raises.
I have some other problems with the libertarain platform those are just my biggest complaints and they don't offer enough to me and in what I believe in to swing my vote.
About guns, republicans are happy to say "we have laws, lets enforce them" while libertarians would say "we have unconstitutional laws, lets get rid of them (the unconstitutional ones)."
Less government- please. Just look at George Bush. He took pride in creating the biggest increase in government (Dept of Homeland Security) since Johnson (Great Society, Medicare/Medicaid) ... He also loved increading federal power and total government in his "No Child Left Behind" act, his steel tariffs (which i think he had repealed because they were so unpopular with conservatives), farm subsidies (which have been ongoing since the 30s under FDR, despite the fact that major corps or rich people own most of the farms in the US)... Plus he added prescription drug coverage to medicare? And thats small government? That doesn't even count the fact that he wants to use the constitution to LIMIT peoples rights (for only the second time in its history, and the first one was repealed).... Please... republicans and limited government? You should listen to michael savage... at least he's a conservative who hates the republican party for the most part because they aren't conservative. He may not call for things libertarians want, but at least he realizes republicans aren't conservative.
1) Immigration Policys
2)Illegal Drugs Policys
3)Active ACLU and Civil rights policys
What is it about the libertarian immigration policies you don't like? I know they are for "more open" borders, but there are many ways in which that could possibly help (especially with the war on terror)... at a minimum, its not like Bush or Kerry would do anything different that we currently have (or at least Kerry has not said as much, and Bush doesn't seem to care).
About illegal drug policies, there is ample evidence to sugguest that legalizing drugs would make everyone safer.... see the history of alcohol prohibition as a start.
About "ACLU" et al, wtf do you mean? The libertarians were one of the first to file suit against the illegal (imo) McCain-Feingold bill / law (which Bush signed "thinking" it would get overturned in the courts but which didnt) .... Among others to file suit were the ACLU and NRA. So which parts are bad?
and my supportive nature towards the liberatian platform is:
1) Tax policys
2) Gun Policys
3) Less Government
however, the 3 I support are also supported by Republicans.
First, republicans dont support your tax policies, assuming you want less taxes. What they do seem to support from what they've done is "lower taxes, increased (or same) spending" so that while we may pay less taxes now, the increased spending will cause our kids to pay more in taxes. Of course democrats are not much better, but republicans certainly aren't the model of how we could have lower taxes. Libertarians talk about how to END the income tax. Republicans talk about how to LOWER it and leave the requirement (not possibility) open for future raises.
I have some other problems with the libertarain platform those are just my biggest complaints and they don't offer enough to me and in what I believe in to swing my vote.
About guns, republicans are happy to say "we have laws, lets enforce them" while libertarians would say "we have unconstitutional laws, lets get rid of them (the unconstitutional ones)."
Less government- please. Just look at George Bush. He took pride in creating the biggest increase in government (Dept of Homeland Security) since Johnson (Great Society, Medicare/Medicaid) ... He also loved increading federal power and total government in his "No Child Left Behind" act, his steel tariffs (which i think he had repealed because they were so unpopular with conservatives), farm subsidies (which have been ongoing since the 30s under FDR, despite the fact that major corps or rich people own most of the farms in the US)... Plus he added prescription drug coverage to medicare? And thats small government? That doesn't even count the fact that he wants to use the constitution to LIMIT peoples rights (for only the second time in its history, and the first one was repealed).... Please... republicans and limited government? You should listen to michael savage... at least he's a conservative who hates the republican party for the most part because they aren't conservative. He may not call for things libertarians want, but at least he realizes republicans aren't conservative.
bbbv3.5
Jul 21st, 2004, 10:25 AM
Hey DBA..read the decleartain of independence and maybe you will take that statment back.
DontBeAfraid
Jul 21st, 2004, 5:09 PM
Maybe my sarcasm was lost on BBB? Yet dutchie, who speaks english as his SECOND language, picked it up just fine.
bbbv3.5
Jul 21st, 2004, 10:31 PM
:nono: Maybe my sarcasism following your scarcasitc remark was too much for you to understand. yet the language of sarcamsism is too sarcastic for you to understannd when someone goes with anothers scarastic remark...
Conservative Front
Jul 21st, 2004, 10:47 PM
I don't like there open borders policy thats stated on lp.org on there platform. they consider open borders and more immigrants a blessing. But the more people we have in the country the more people that will not have jobs goes up . and trust me I Don't agree with George Bush's immigration policys.
Alchohol and illegal drugs are in a different category all together. Alchohol has been around for centurys and has been a past time for many generations. Illegal drugs on the other hand can tear apart familys and are one of the biggest causes of murder (outside of passion/lust murders).
The libertarians are active in the ACLU they where one of the groups that wanted to remove the cross from the seals of the countys in oregon.
Income tax however dreadful is nessacary to an extent to have a fully functional government there money has to come from somewhere now I'm a supporter of the government has to learn to do less with less (i.e. cut social programs,environmental programs,etc...)
The Republicans are doing a pretty good job with keeping are second admendment some of the laws we have in effect are pretty ridiculous but where getting better as far as Concealment Permits go Colorado just opened up for that again (it got shut down after Columbine but its legal now if you take a Gun safety course and register with the denver police) Libertarians would hand a gun to anyone which I don't really agree with. Democrats would take our handguns.
I'm critical of some of George Bush's laws (although I agree with homeland security) But I don't agree with the No Child Left Behind Act, or the Medicaid act. however in American politicals today you pretty much have to start from center and lean one way or the other. If Bush only passed Conservative laws,etc.. and didn't give anything to the left it would destroy the party (swing voters) and it would destroy a chance for a second term. I love Michael Savage and I agree with him 90% of the time I realize that Republicans aren't the "Best" conservatives out there but there still better then Liberal Democrats. The biggest difference I see between Dems and Republicans is The Republicans will keep more of you're constitunal rights and keep more money in your pockets and they will teach people to help themselves. where as dems are just the opposite So yes I support the Republican party but if there was a more Conservative voice out there that I though had a chance id for for whomever.
---end response to substand---
Alchohol and illegal drugs are in a different category all together. Alchohol has been around for centurys and has been a past time for many generations. Illegal drugs on the other hand can tear apart familys and are one of the biggest causes of murder (outside of passion/lust murders).
The libertarians are active in the ACLU they where one of the groups that wanted to remove the cross from the seals of the countys in oregon.
Income tax however dreadful is nessacary to an extent to have a fully functional government there money has to come from somewhere now I'm a supporter of the government has to learn to do less with less (i.e. cut social programs,environmental programs,etc...)
The Republicans are doing a pretty good job with keeping are second admendment some of the laws we have in effect are pretty ridiculous but where getting better as far as Concealment Permits go Colorado just opened up for that again (it got shut down after Columbine but its legal now if you take a Gun safety course and register with the denver police) Libertarians would hand a gun to anyone which I don't really agree with. Democrats would take our handguns.
I'm critical of some of George Bush's laws (although I agree with homeland security) But I don't agree with the No Child Left Behind Act, or the Medicaid act. however in American politicals today you pretty much have to start from center and lean one way or the other. If Bush only passed Conservative laws,etc.. and didn't give anything to the left it would destroy the party (swing voters) and it would destroy a chance for a second term. I love Michael Savage and I agree with him 90% of the time I realize that Republicans aren't the "Best" conservatives out there but there still better then Liberal Democrats. The biggest difference I see between Dems and Republicans is The Republicans will keep more of you're constitunal rights and keep more money in your pockets and they will teach people to help themselves. where as dems are just the opposite So yes I support the Republican party but if there was a more Conservative voice out there that I though had a chance id for for whomever.
---end response to substand---
DontBeAfraid
Jul 22nd, 2004, 5:00 AM
I cant understand your disconcern for the environment CF.... Is it some kind of religious belief that your god will fix it if we continue to hug it up? Just because we are pretty good at manipulating the earth doesnt mean it isnt in charge of our survival.
dutchie
Jul 22nd, 2004, 5:14 AM
Alchohol and illegal drugs are in a different category all together. Alchohol has been around for centurys and has been a past time for many generations. Illegal drugs on the other hand can tear apart familys and are one of the biggest causes of murder (outside of passion/lust murders).
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HEEEEHAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAA!!!!!
:rolling: :rolling:
Ooooh, oxygen....
Have another beer, it's good for you!!
My estimate (but is PURELY SPECULATIVE) is that over the centuries the number of families having been torn apart by alcohol abuse is a thousandfold of the same number caused by illegal drugs....
Don't blurt out nonsense about stuff you don't know the first thing about!!
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HEEEEHAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAA!!!!!
:rolling: :rolling:
Ooooh, oxygen....
Have another beer, it's good for you!!
My estimate (but is PURELY SPECULATIVE) is that over the centuries the number of families having been torn apart by alcohol abuse is a thousandfold of the same number caused by illegal drugs....
Don't blurt out nonsense about stuff you don't know the first thing about!!
Conservative Front
Jul 22nd, 2004, 11:03 PM
The earth belongs to us, We don't belong to the earth. I don't expect the earth to fix itself I just believe the environmentalist wackos over exarraget the problem. I don't see any Ice age or Ice caps melting right now, nor Do i see any kind of Run away greenhouse effect taking place.
---end response to dontbeafraid---
Dutchie, So quick to draw an unloaded gun. My sister is a full fledged Alchoholic that refuses treatment and has a 5 year old daughter so don't jump to conclusions so quickly. I know more then you think.
---end response to dutchie---
---end response to dontbeafraid---
Dutchie, So quick to draw an unloaded gun. My sister is a full fledged Alchoholic that refuses treatment and has a 5 year old daughter so don't jump to conclusions so quickly. I know more then you think.
---end response to dutchie---
DontBeAfraid
Jul 23rd, 2004, 4:16 AM
You seem to base the world on your singlular expirences CF.....
dutchie
Jul 23rd, 2004, 4:21 AM
I don't see any Ice age or Ice caps melting right now, nor Do i see any kind of Run away greenhouse effect taking place.Well, isn't it time to open your eyes for once then?!?
Dutchie, So quick to draw an unloaded gun. My sister is a full fledged Alchoholic that refuses treatment and has a 5 year old daughter so don't jump to conclusions so quickly. I know more then you think.
CF, that CAN NOT be true. That is in such utter contradiction with your statement on drugs, that I can not believe you have a sister that's a "full fledged" alcoholic. I just don't buy it.
:devsmoke: :bubble:
Dutchie, So quick to draw an unloaded gun. My sister is a full fledged Alchoholic that refuses treatment and has a 5 year old daughter so don't jump to conclusions so quickly. I know more then you think.
CF, that CAN NOT be true. That is in such utter contradiction with your statement on drugs, that I can not believe you have a sister that's a "full fledged" alcoholic. I just don't buy it.
:devsmoke: :bubble:
Conservative Front
Jul 23rd, 2004, 10:54 PM
Well Dutchie, It'd be impossible for me to show you my sister is an Alchoholic. Believe me or not. Its not that important too me its kind of funny though I'm accused all the time of not exprenecing anything yet, when I have NO ONE believes me. :confused:
DontBeAfraid
Jul 24th, 2004, 4:03 AM
CF the funny thing is that you claimed to be part of the wrong stereotype in relation to your side of the arguement this time.... This is why nobody believes you.
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