God created mankind in his image.

[dutchie]

Assuming God created man, and he created man in his image,

- is God like us? Capable of lying, murdering, loving, hating?
- are we like God?

Is God capable of doing the very same things we can do, even the bad things? Or did he create something that could do things he can not?

Chew on that one, folks!! :grin

[playmaker88]

Assuming God created man, and he created man in his image,

- is God like us? Capable of lying, murdering, loving, hating?
- are we like God?

Is God capable of doing the very same things we can do, even the bad things? Or did he create something that could do things he can not?


If God exists (which I truly doubt), to make us in his own image would mean that he would have to live in a similar environment. We are formed the way we are because it suits the planet and the level of gravity on the planet. While we have all seen the astronauts bouncing around on the moon, if said astronauts were to visit Jupiter, their weight would increase immensely (Yes, I am aware that Jupiter is a gas giant) due to the tremendous gravitational force.

The God that so many people wax lyrical about would surely be capable of deception, love and hate, mass destruction and much, much more. Pretty much anything and everything.

[Doomer]

If God is like us, we're in some deep shit. :(

[dutchie]

If God exists (which I truly doubt), to make us in his own image would mean that he would have to live in a similar environment. We are formed the way we are because it suits the planet and the level of gravity on the planet. While we have all seen the astronauts bouncing around on the moon, if said astronauts were to visit Jupiter, their weight would increase immensely (Yes, I am aware that Jupiter is a gas giant) due to the tremendous gravitational force.

The God that so many people wax lyrical about would surely be capable of deception, love and hate, mass destruction and much, much more. Pretty much anything and everything.
I can not quite follow why you mentioned Jupiter... Do you think God lives there?

[playmaker88]

I mentioned Jupiter because (apart from the Sun) it has the biggest gravitational pull in our solar system. Therefore man would weigh a lot more on Jupiter than he does on Earth. The way man is designed would be unsuitable for Jupiter (not just because he couldn't breathe the toxic gases but because the Gs would be too much for something designed this way). The same would go for all environments in the universe. To survive certain environments you need to be built a certain way.

Now if God created us in his own image, he would be limited to where he could exist.

[bbbv3.5]

ok............

[Doomer]

I mentioned Jupiter because (apart from the Sun) it has the biggest gravitational pull in our solar system. Therefore man would weigh a lot more on Jupiter than he does on Earth. The way man is designed would be unsuitable for Jupiter (not just because he couldn't breathe the toxic gases but because the Gs would be too much for something designed this way). The same would go for all environments in the universe. To survive certain environments you need to be built a certain way.

Now if God created us in his own image, he would be limited to where he could exist.
Did it ever occur to you that maybe "in his own image" refers to the spiritual aspect of man and not the physical ? As obvious as this is to me, it's apparent that it's not so obvious to others. Do Christians believe God is a big "man" in the sky ?

[dutchie]

Did it ever occur to you that maybe "in his own image" refers to the spiritual aspect of man and not the physical ? As obvious as this is to me, it's apparent that it's not so obvious to others. Do Christians believe God is a big "man" in the sky ?
That is silly!! It says "image", not "spirit". Free interpretation... :ohmy:

[RavenWhitefang]

or you could get sillier and just say that god created man in his image ( shadow, reflection, painting) and we have no remote similarities.

im·age n.

1. A reproduction of the form of a person or object, especially a sculptured likeness.
2. Physics. An optically formed duplicate, counterpart, or other representative reproduction of an object,especially an optical reproduction formed by a lens or mirror.
3. One that closely or exactly resembles another; a double
4.
1. The opinion or concept of something that is held by the public.
2. The character projected to the public, as by a person or institution, especially as interpreted by the mass media.
5. A personification of something specified: That child is the image of good health.
6. A mental picture of something not real or present.
7.
1. A vivid description or representation.
2. A figure of speech, especially a metaphor or simile.
3. A concrete representation, as in art, literature, or music, that is expressive or evocative of something else
8. Mathematics. A set of values of a function corresponding to a particular subset of a domain.
9. Computer Science. An exact replica of the contents of a storage device, such as a hard disk, stored on a second storage device, such as a network server.
10. Obsolete. An apparition.

although #9 would be cool too heh.

[Strife]

We can take this whole "his own image" thing to different perpectives. Can it mean that his own image meant that he intended on making us on what he thought we should appear to be? Not necessarly his own image as in his self appearence, neither spiritually (which I think the answer may be close to), but just a creative plan he had chosen to make.

[40oz]

Assuming God created man, and he created man in his image,

- is God like us? Capable of lying, murdering, loving, hating?
- are we like God?

Is God capable of doing the very same things we can do, even the bad things? Or did he create something that could do things he can not?

Chew on that one, folks!! :grin

I am not a very religious person, However I consider myself to be christian "not a fanatic" When God says he made man in his own image "don't quote me because this is my personal opinion, and not fact" He was referring to the components of man i.e. The three components of God are, 1. God "the father/creator or the Mind behind it" 2. Jesus "the Flesh" 3. The holy spirit "well, the spirit" Therefore he created man with 1. A mind (what gives us the capability to think, talk, act, all that good stuff) 2. Our flesh (which suffers pain, pleasure, and various other things. 3. Our spirit/conscious (what tells you "this is wrong, or this is right") also provides a conscious or even subconscious communication link between man and god. Whether your a christian (which by the way is NOT a religion, it is a life style) Many ppl belive in a certain level of spirituality. We can all agree we have a mind (most of us anyways) and flesh. Before you dispute this, really think about it, It can be the only logical explanation to "his own image".

This is what I belive was meant by creating man his His own image.
Now, before you go raggin on my Dutchie, understand I said this is my opinion.

[40oz]

I forgot to mention, How acurate is the translation of the bible?
I dont know, does anyone? Could he have said he created A man in his own image? Jesus? Just another opinion.....

[repentantsinner]

My bible says;" Let us make people in our image, to be like ourselves. They will be masters over all life-the fish in the sea, the birds in the skyand all the livestock,wild animals and small animals." Our image? Like ourselves? Was god talking to the son and the holy spirit? I can't give you a solid provable answer to the question of "IMAGE" What seems important to me is the "being masters over all life" part, it just reinforces my own attitude that God is the boss and i'm just dust. I think most will agree (those who believe) that God is spirit, and that we were originally created for fellowship with God, so there must be a spiritual aspect to people. From my own experience when my "attitude" twords God began changing to belief the "Flesh" and all it's likes/dislikes, fears, resentments, petty grievences etc. seemed to start slowly melting away.

[repentantsinner]

Assuming God created man, and he created man in his image,

- is God like us? Capable of lying, murdering, loving, hating?
- are we like God?

Is God capable of doing the very same things we can do, even the bad things? Or did he create something that could do things he can not?

Chew on that one, folks!! :grin
Is God capable of lying?Maybe, the fact is he does not.Murdering? What about the flood?Loving? Definately. Hating? The answer is yes, God hates sin, the bible in Gods own words also states that God hated Esau for giving away his birth right. God can become very angry, look at the ways he has scattered the jews in the past. Are we like God? Not in anybodys wildest dreams, the human race is a fallen race, that does not mean evil,fallen, capable of such imperfection, ungodliness, depravity etc. Of course we are capable of positive things as well. I respectfully submit that it is a good thing humans do not have the power of God, who among us has not been angry, wanted revenge or wished somebody ill will no matter how tempoary it was.

[mickydoolittle]

My mind says that we should ask why ppl are so ingrained to believe that god is male. Why not have a female god? Why not call god it and be done with it?

Hans, if you want an answer to your question from a biblical standpoint, you should know that while man be created in the image of god, god is absent of sin and therefore incapable of the allegedly horrible shit man commits on a regular basis.

Although, it is interesting to even contemplate this as we all have been repeatedly told that god is perfect--and we all that for anyhting to be perfect, it would be absent of any and all flaws. The only thing that exists to this effect, is well, nothing. That is the only thing that meets the criteria used to describe god.

It's your bible, repentantsinner. I just use what's provided in it to question and subsequently defile the far reaching control tactics of religion.

And we will indeed be judged one day--not by an omnipotent diety, but instead by those who knew us and loved or hated us.

Live your life. Forget about all the tiresome bullshit that causes us to forget about what is truly important in life. Remember that religion brainwashes us to hold disdain for the very things that make us human.

Why go through hell on earth in the hopes of being admitted to an imaginary country club upon one's death?

[mickydoolittle]

Is God capable of lying?Maybe, the fact is he does not.Murdering? What about the flood?Loving? Definately. Hating? The answer is yes, God hates sin, the bible in Gods own words also states that God hated Esau for giving away his birth right. God can become very angry, look at the ways he has scattered the jews in the past. Are we like God? Not in anybodys wildest dreams, the human race is a fallen race, that does not mean evil,fallen, capable of such imperfection, ungodliness, depravity etc. Of course we are capable of positive things as well. I respectfully submit that it is a good thing humans do not have the power of God, who among us has not been angry, wanted revenge or wished somebody ill will no matter how tempoary it was.

On what are you basing your facts? A book written that was written many thousands of years earlier by men?

God has indeed shown extreme hatred and anger towards its creation...if one is so inclined to believe the bible, then look towards: S&G, Jericho, The Flood, and it's alleged son as examples of its outlandish and highly neurotic behavior.

[dutchie]

My mind says that we should ask why ppl are so ingrained to believe that god is male. Why not have a female god? Why not call god it and be done with it?

Hans, if you want an answer to your question from a biblical standpoint, you should know that while man be created in the image of god, god is absent of sin and therefore incapable of the allegedly horrible shit man commits on a regular basis.

Although, it is interesting to even contemplate this as we all have been repeatedly told that god is perfect--and we all that for anyhting to be perfect, it would be absent of any and all flaws. The only thing that exists to this effect, is well, nothing. That is the only thing that meets the criteria used to describe god.
I create these threads because I think it's an interesting topic for debate, not to get answers of any kind any questions. I am primarily here to debate, not to find enlightenment.. (already have that, heh heh heh... :grin )

[40oz]

So basically dutchie, You create threads to take a poke/cheap shot at what someone "believes" to be true? What is "real" and "true" may not be the same for everyone, but that doesn't make it wrong or right. You just lure em in and jump out from behind a tree with a club eh? Welp, I think I personally have a grasp on your values. I also find it funny that the major objectors to religion/spiritual beliefs gravitate to this thread. If your argument against a high power is based upon you level of intelligence, (and no disrespect intended, but there is no other way to put it) I doubt you can compare to an einstein in that department

"The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books - a mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects."

-Albert Einstein


You do not "even remotely" suspect something

*I hope so cause if not then the child in the paragraph has the jump on ya :D

[evilwill]

I have a simple solution to this question... God did not create man.

A question to those that believe otherwise, do you believe it happened as the bible said (adam/eve, his image and such) or do you have other theories?

[dutchie]

So basically dutchie, You create threads to take a poke/cheap shot at what someone "believes" to be true? What is "real" and "true" may not be the same for everyone, but that doesn't make it wrong or right. You just lure em in and jump out from behind a tree with a club eh? Welp, I think I personally have a grasp on your values. I also find it funny that the major objectors to religion/spiritual beliefs gravitate to this thread. If your argument against a high power is based upon you level of intelligence, (and no disrespect intended, but there is no other way to put it) I doubt you can compare to an einstein in that department

"The human mind is not capable of grasping the Universe. We are like a little child entering a huge library. The walls are covered to the ceilings with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written these books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. But the child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books - a mysterious order which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects."

-Albert Einstein


You do not "even remotely" suspect something

*I hope so cause if not then the child in the paragraph has the jump on ya :D
Your assumption is ridiculous. Jump out from behind a tree with a club? BWAHAHAHAA!!!! Nope. I enjoy a good debate. It sharpens the mind and it's fun to do. The malicious intent you try to impose on me has no foundation at all. In another thread you already thought we would clash and that I would attack you personally. Are you a masochist? You jump out from behind a tree and start clubbing ME for some stupid reason. What are you gaining from taking the trouble to pour a bucket of dung over me?

I have never boasted on having an intelligence coming even close to that of Einstein. Did you suggest that just to provoke me to attack you? I will not.

I post new threads here and hopefully interesting new topics to debate, because if people like me don't make an effort, these forums would bleed to death in no time at all. Where are your threads, 40oz?? Duh.

[prezhorusin04]

Nice thread Dutchie..Great conversation all..

I believe humaniity is made in "gods" image, in spirit..But perhaps the biblical account of this fact is a warped view of the matter..? Early Bibles, and the Hebrew version says "And The Elohim said, let US create man in OUR own image."

Religion, perhaps in particular Christianity, is obsessed with Blood, and this blood is in turn DNA. "In his own image" could be a refference to physical DNA in Religious connotations.While in Reality, we are all reflections of "god" , all inner solar systems, and cosmos,planets and suns, the ELITE priests and kings wish to consolidate this notion and warp it to fit their means of doimination and control..

MAYBE they seek to OWN the natural understanding of humanity, and corrupt it to fit their religious conquer and ideals....?

http://www.nwowatcher.com/attachments/abovethecitym.jpg
ABOVE THE CITY

[dutchie]

Good point, Prez. And very probably true, especially that last sentence. Interesting notion, the "us" thing you mentioned... So maybe we WERE put here by a buch of Aliens, called Elohim?!? (no sarcasm intended towards you...)

[playmaker88]

So basically dutchie, You create threads to take a poke/cheap shot at what someone "believes" to be true? What is "real" and "true" may not be the same for everyone, but that doesn't make it wrong or right. You just lure em in and jump out from behind a tree with a club eh? Welp, I think I personally have a grasp on your values. I also find it funny that the major objectors to religion/spiritual beliefs gravitate to this thread.

Have you read the forum description. RELIGION "Is there a God? Is my religion better than yours? Deep". If you read that and then enter, then you must be expecting some people to question the existence of God and others to give the reasons for their faith.

There is no mugging involved, no hiding places. You're allowed (encouraged in the bible) to spread the word and I as a non-believer of free will am allowed to question such beliefs. If your reasons and beliefs are strong enough you'll be able to stand up to anything thrown at you.

I am not naive enough to think (or even want to) that I can convert someone into a non-believer, just as you are not going to change me but we can still discuss it like adults. I do learn things from people with different views too.

If you don't like this type of discussion, stay out of this particular forum. It does exactly as it says on the tin. No ambushes, everyone comes in eyes wide open.

[prezhorusin04]

I don't believe in religion , but i know there are lessons and morals to be learned there..Dutchie, i think there were a so-called "Elohim" but MYTH has clouded the true nature of these forces...Re-Written history, and destroyed knowledge..EL is the HEbrew Moon god, also known as the Sumerian Moon god SIN.-As in the Wilderness of Sin, and Mt. Sinai..??Isis/Ra/El?
http://www.nwowatcher.com/attachments/abovethecitym.jpg
Above the City

[40oz]

You post new threads, where within you have no belief. Provoking someone to come in and share there thoughts JUST so you can shoot em down.
I am new to the boards here, so maybe thats just common place?

Maybe its just me, Maybe I don't have a grasp on what the boards are all about, and if so, I apologize.

[dutchie]

You ARE stubborn in deciding NOT to carefully read what is posted in your direction, aren't you?!?

I explained myself, Playmaker explained me. Keep your apologies. I don't want them, I don't need them. I just want everybody to have a good time talking about interesting subjects. If you come here and be irritated all of the time, well then stay away.

Besides, do you really think this is a believers-only forum?! Would turn out to be kinda boring, eh? All those members agreeing all the time...

[40oz]

You ARE stubborn in deciding NOT to carefully read what is posted in your direction, aren't you?!?

I explained myself, Playmaker explained me. Keep your apologies. I don't want them, I don't need them. I just want everybody to have a good time talking about interesting subjects. If you come here and be irritated all of the time, well then stay away.

Besides, do you really think this is a believers-only forum?! Would turn out to be kinda boring, eh? All those members agreeing all the time...

How foolish to think I was apologizing to you. Your pompous attitude is funny to me. Are you that easy to read that playmaker can explain you, yet I couldn't make it out? I am only irritated at your name calling and personal attack on post concerning the aids pandemic. Also, the way you followed some of my post to take a few more pokes at me :grind: Never the less I'll let it go..


I was merely apologizing for my knowledge or lack there of in forums/debating.
I guess its ok, and even expected to catch flak from any and all post one makes here, And I can except that. However, what you did was no debate. It was an outright attack. I stated an opinion, You stated ::


"I don't want to sound mean or heartless, but I lost some personal friends to this disease, and I would almost hope that you would have to swallow your words by following them in the same way. No, you don't want to sound heartless, but IMO you're a liar, and a heartless bastard liar at that.

I am almost certain AIDS was a man-made virus. We very probably did this to ourselves. Millions and millions of people are dying in a terrible way, and you have the heart to say that this is nature's way of regulating overpopulation?!? Maybe you think the same way about the holocaust!??"

If thats debating, I'll go somewhere else to peak my interest. Who's ass did you kiss to get to be an admin here?

I was even kind enough to correct some of your spelling in the [qoute]

[dutchie]

I was even kind enough to correct some of your spelling in the [qoute]
Your kindess is moving. Actually, you misspelled the word "quote".

If thats debating, I'll go somewhere else to peak my interest.
Please do. :bye:

Who's ass did you kiss to get to be an admin here?
I was asked. :Bott: