Mass Graves in America

[prezhorusin04]

The Mass Graves in America

The Open Sores of a History in Denial from the Depths of the American Continent
by Frank M. Afflitto, Media Monitors


History is in denial when any social scientist, policy maker or lay person does not primordially and prioritizedly recognize the tragic genocidal and terroristic policies and campaigns which have shaped and created the current nation-states of the Americas, their social systems and their demographics. From the Indian massacres of colonial times, to the Indian massacres during the prolonged period of U.S. ‘manifest destiny’ through 1890, to the deliberate genocidal under-funding of Indian health programs and the statistical manipulations of tribal memberships today, U.S. soil is permeated with the blood, and (recoverable) bones of the original peoples of this continent. Lost in history and national discourse, they are not lost in the soil. Their remains are recoverable, analyzable, and re-buriable, if Indian nations so desire.

History has a heartbeat. History has a life of its own. History lives on in the heart of every man, woman, child and scholar who cares, and dares, to remember it, and face its present-day consequences. When history is traumatic, the traumas live on, shaping, often in deplorable ways, the lives of those of subsequent generations.

And the United States is not the only country, though it is certainly the major terrorist culprit, in the long, sad history of the oppression of original peoples. In Guatemala, U.S.- and Israeli-backed military and militarized civilian regimes killed 250,000 persons in 20 years or less, the vast majority of them Mayan Indians, and the vast majority of them slaughtered via the same means as those utilized by euro-descendant settlers and federal troops in the U.S. generations before. In Peru, a U.S.-backed government, and to apparently a nearly-equivalent extent, “Maiost” guerrillas of the communist Shining Path insurgency headed by a now-incarcerated Peruvian philosophy professor who preached austerity while caught on video drunkenly dancing “Zorba the Greek” at a party, 50,000 Peruvians, mostly Quechua and Aymara-speaking Indians, were brutally slaughtered, or disappeared, like the thousands also disappeared and presumably killed in Guatemala. The five thousand estimated disappeared in Peru are still waiting to be unearthed and identified, along with the vast majority of the 50,000 Guatemalan disappeared, potential “communists” who ‘deserved’ to be eliminated for the sake of freedom and democracy. Native peoples were not the only victims in the anti-insurgent, Cold War, campaigns of the 1960’s. ‘70’s and ‘80’s, spearheaded by the United States and its puppet governments in the Americas. However, due to white liberal political solidarity identification processes, and European donor preferences, the original peoples victims were certainly the most ignored in “human rights” discourse throughout the West.

Forensic Anthropology

History can be best served by uncovering it, documenting it, discussing it, and breathing new life into it. Forensic anthropology teams are busy at work in Argentina, in efforts to uncover the 'disappeared', and document the perpetrators of massacres of their bodies. Such teams are equally busy in Guatemala, despite death threats, data theft, and all kinds of intimidations by the very perpetrators of the massacres. While skin is no longer recoverable, evidence in mass graves such as shell casings, boot prints, uniform buttons which came loose, and other evidence, including skull fractures, and bullet holes or other wound signs in bones and skulls, are suitable evidence for courts of law. No, not those Western “human rights” courts which only try Third World peoples and ex-communists for human rights crimes…. Real people’s courts which will impartially deduce genocide and seek reparations, truth-telling, and symbolic remembrances, such as national holidays. Instead of celebrating “Thanksgiving”, which Muslims should do every day anyway, travel to Plymouth, Massachusetts the last Thursday of November, fast all day, and take part in the International Day of Mourning for Native Peoples at the foot of the statue of Chief Massassoit, sponsored by the Wampanoag, and other, nations. Instead of celebrating Columbus Day, in honor of an Indian rapist and murderer, demand that another pro-native peoples holiday or day of remembrance be celebrated in your locale, or demand that Columbus Day be cancelled. Get in the streets and on the air waves, and cancel it yourselves.

Mass Graves in the Americas: The Christopher Columbus Sickness, 1610-1890, or 1492-now

From colonial through U.S. history, knowledge of a series of major massacres against original peoples by British subjects and their descendants in what is now the U.S. allows us to construct a timeline from 1610 through 1890, with the Massacre at Wounded Knee being the last, major, recorded massacre of original peoples that I have come across, occurring in December, 1890. Columbus and his men established a sickness through the lands which became the Americas, which spread the bacterias of racial supremacy, terrorism, cultural chauvinism, rape and genocide to all subsequent descendants from European lands.

The Mass Graves of my Homeland: Death and Deception in the United States of America

One example of many massacre sites which are now mass grave sites is that of the Sand Creek Massacre, which was perpetrated in 1864, in the state of Colorado. Here is what a euro-descendant witness had to say to Congressional representatives at the time:


Question: Were the women and children slaughtered indiscriminately, or only so far as they were with the warriors?
Answer: Indiscriminately.

Question: Were there any acts of barbarity perpetrated there that came under your own observation?

Answer: Yes, sir; I saw the bodies of those lying there cut all to pieces, worse mutilated than any I ever saw before; the women cut all to pieces.

Question: How cut?

Answer: With knives; scalped; their brains knocked out; children two or three months old; all ages lying there, from sucking infants up to warriors.

Question: Did you see it done?

Answer: Yes, sir; I saw them fall.

Question: Fall when they were killed?

Answer: Yes, sir.

Question: Did you see them when they were mutilated?

Answer: Yes, sir.

Question: By whom were they mutilated?

Answer: By the United States troops.

Such Congressional testimony by this interpreter, and other information on Cheyenne nation efforts to deal with this history and to make historical use of the massacre site are available at www.sandcreek.org. The leader of the U.S. troops, Chivington, “later appeared on a Denver stage where he regaled delighted audiences with his war stories and displayed 100 Indian scalps, including the pubic hairs of women” ( www.lastoftheindependents.com/sandcreek.htm).

Another massacre, which must also certainly be a mass grave site, is that of the Bear River Massacre, in what is now Washington state:

“This massacre also took place during the Civil War. The massacre was conducted not by trained military, but violent and most times drunken militia.

Like Sand Creek, the militia broke the arms and legs of women so they couldn't fight back while they were raped. Bayonets cut open the wombs of pregnant women and pulled out the fetus. Some of the militia wrapped the fetus around their hats as war trophies. After the women were raped the militia men split their skulls open with hatchets. Babies and Toddlers were grabbed and their heads bashed against trees. Chief Bear Hunter was beaten, kicked, stripped and whipped bloody. When he did not cry out in pain or anguish to his tormenters, a soldier heated his bayonet and ran it through Bear Hunter's ears” ( www.lastoftheindependents.com/bearriver.htm).

Conclusion

On Memorial Day, the last Monday in May, each year, United Staters honor their dead, and their military dead. I have never heard a president speak of these atrocities. I have only seen presidents go to Arlington National Cemetery, a place where Chivington might even be buried. I have never seen a U.S. president take a plane to Denver, and a car to Sand Creek, to host a press conference there. While I commend former president Clinton for signing a bill into law regarding recognition of the Sand Creek Massacre, and subsequent efforts by the National Park Service to develop the site, and for Clinton's apologizing to the Guatemalan people for the U.S. role in state-sanctioned terrorism which bashed Mayan babies' heads against rocks, or stole them to have their organs sold for transplants in the babies of rich Westerners, or sold them for adoption to sterile military families, his efforts are nowhere near enough.

It is past time for those of us who are social scientists, and who are not native peoples, to approach native nations, to find out about the projects and campaigns on which they are working, to support them in the recovery and dissemination of historical memory, and, whenever possible, work with them through respecting their wishes and belief systems, to open the mass graves, gather the forensic evidence, give a proper burial to the dead, and to sue the U.S. Army and the U.S. Federal Government for the war crimes and genocide and terrorism on which this nation is built.

Looking to Iraq for mass graves is a smokescreen for ignoring the open sores of the Americas. That is a job for the Iraqis. We, of the United States, have enough mass graves for which we are responsible, here in these two continents, to contend with.

Dr. Frank M. Afflitto, Ph.D., is happy to be a Muslim revert and an Assistant Professor in Sociology in the United States. He specializes in research on war crimes and perceptions of justice in victimized populations.

[Defiant Noquisi]

Thanks for posting this and Im sorry I didnt see it earlier.

Hopefully those who think that the US is innocent of terrorism and other acts of violence and murder will gain something from it.

For those of you who think this is in the past guess again. Just because the US doesnt actually carry it out (MAYBE, well see how it ends in the M.E.) doesnt mean that secretly paying for it is any more "innocent".

[humanhybrid]

And to this very day the white man still is envious of the Indians and remotely in some areas still racist. It sickens me to know just how the white man, my ancestors treated the people of this great country. The Indians here in California has made a living at gaming and has become very successful on their reservations that the white man pushed them into. Now the Indians have become prosperous and proud that they need no hand outs from the white man. Its really a success story behind this. But now get this, they the "white man politician" controls the type of machines that they have in their casinos thats on their land. Now the governator " Arnold Schwarzenegger " felt that the Indians should pay higher taxes because of their successes. Is their something wrong with this or what? I hate how my people treat other human beings. I walk in shame and disgust. I will be the white man with the Indians and I mean this from my heart as I have even married a full blooded genuine indian. I walk proud and strong with her in my life. I am very happy. good day!

~Offensive nicknames will not be tolerated (EW)~

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[Defiant Noquisi]

But now get this, they the "white man politician" controls the type of machines that they have in their casinos thats on their land. Now the governator " Offensive nicknames trivialize your point " felt that the Indians should pay higher taxes because of their successes. Is their something wrong with this or what? If the money is used in community for things such as health care, drug treatment and education that benefit everyone and not a single commercial entity, no I dont think it should be taxed. If its used for profit or building a bigger hotel? TAX IT! The whole idea by Indians as a TRIBE/NATION is to become educated, healthy, self-sufficient and get off the government dole.


I hate how my people treat other human beings. I walk in shame and disgust. Why? Are you doing it too? If not dont worry about it and always set a better example. Shame is only for the guilty.


I will be the white man with the Indians and I mean this from my heart as I have even married a full blooded genuine indian. I walk proud and strong with her in my life. Thats really noble. How can you be strong and proud while walking in shame? I can understand that you mean well but the way you have posted that is rather offensive.

[Thor]

The blackest pages in our history deserve to be the early years of America and the anhilation of the American Indians, their land, their resouces. Most intelligent Americans acknowledge the terrible truth about America's past, and most are truly regretful it happened that way.

Ignorance, intolerance and injustice wiped out most of the indiginous population, and for that, our white European ancestors are to be shamed. If we had it to do all over again, knowing what we know now, things would still happen the way they did, it was destiny, meant to happen, unfortunate as it seems. Man will never change. Greed, feelings of superiority and a desire to change things to be "our" way are a trademark of America. It's no secret the rest of the World hates us, but it's not because they think differently than we do, it's because they're jealous their puny little countries don't have the power to dominate and take things away from others. Don't think for a minute the Europeans, or Asians, or any other group is "better" or more "forward thinking" or more liberal and tolerant, it's not that, they just don't feel they have any other choice but to be against all things American. Don't forget, it was their ancestors who came to America and did all these horrible things, not current Americans.

[humanhybrid]

I feel ashamed for being moderated I think Ill go sit in the doghouse for a while and lick my wounds and then take a vacation to explore some mayan archeology down in Mexico. good day! ps: sorry for the mistake!

[Defiant Noquisi]

Don't forget, it was their ancestors who came to America and did all these horrible things, not current Americans. Marvelous post! Very intelligent and dead on! The only thing Id like to see change now is alot of the racist and ignorant thinking. It isnt going to but I still wish for it anyway. Who knows?

NO ONE, not one person should feel guilty for shit that happened so long ago.

Honor us by not forgetting that it happened, respect us by not perpetuating ignorant and racist teachings and thinking and let us answer our problems as Indigenous people and not what you think we should be. We can handle it. ;)

[Defiant Noquisi]

I feel ashamed for being moderated I think Ill go sit in the doghouse for a while and lick my wounds and then take a vacation to explore some mayan archeology down in Mexico. good day! ps: sorry for the mistake! Hey! Bring me back a Mayan calendar would ya? Weeehaaaaa!

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TORTURE AND GENOCIDE, AN AMERICAN TRADITION

By Janis Schmidt, www.vivelecanada.ca
Surprise! Surprise! Surprise! America caught red handed torturing civilians! What an outrage! What a lie! Are you in denial?

Suppose you woke up one morning and discovered that your parents were serial killers? Would you be in a state of denial?

America was founded on the blood, torture, and genocide of MILLIONS!! of Indians! America was founded on theft of Indian lands, deception, fraud, and dishonesty. Why does this newly discovered round of tortures perpetuated by Americans on their helpless victims, the Iraqis, come as such a surprise?

My friend, Lucy Bull Bear, full blood Lakota Sioux from the Pine Ridge Reservation wanted me to tell you that "We don't know why it is such a surprise to you white people that Americans enjoy depraved killings and torture. At the Smithsonian they have the skulls and bones of our chiefs and head men, along with women and children. They used to cut off the heads and send them East to discover our secret, our spirituality, our sixth sense. They couldn't discover it, but they put the bones in a drawer in the Smithsonian. For a fee, you can go in and look at the bones, like a dinosaur.

"Who are you to say you are so shocked by one beheading? And a set-up at that. How many millions (MILLIONS) of Indians were murdered so that you could inhabit this land?

"This Skull and Bones secret society that your political leaders partake of. Who do you think are those skull and bones that they take out and mock in a ghoulish ritual? None other than Geronamo. Not that we would want any part of him, but how would you feel if we beheaded your precious Bush, and conducted some outlandish ceremony with his bones that we would hand down from generation to generation?

Your leaders conduct this debauchery all the time and really think they are something, like they are still trying to steal the power of a great man.

"What a bunch of simpletons you are! Yes, our leaders, Crazy Horse, Sitting Bull, Geronamo, they all had power. They kind of power that you will never have, cannot steal, and will never understand.

"Who are you to say you are shocked by the recent round of tortures of the innocent Iraqis? We Lakotas pray for them, because we know what they are going through because that is how our ancestors were treated.”

Kinda makes Hitler look like a boy scout, doesn’t it? There’s a great, big dirty rug that America has been shoving this huge pile of crap under for the past 500 years. This is just a tiny tip of the iceberg.

Take for example, the Wounded Knee Massacre of 1890. We all learned in school that this was a battle, part of the Indian wars. That over 300 unarmed Lakotas; men, women and children, were murdered was never a part of U.S. history. We were not told how the governor of South Dakota armed the ranchers and settlers who then formed vigilante groups who routinely raided Indian camps, killing Indians, while the Interior Department was busy giving reservation land away to settlers under the Homestead Act. Indians were labeled as uncivilized savages and hostiles, much like Iraqis are called terrorists and insurgents.

What was the thinking of the average American at this time? It could be summed up in the words of L. Frank Baum, editor of South Dakota’s Aberdeen Saturday Pioneer newspaper, and author of The Wizard of Oz, who, just a week prior to the slaughter a Wounded Knee, advocated the extermination of all America’s Indians. He said:

“The nobility of the Redskin is extinguished and what few are left are a pack of whining curs who lick the hand that smites them. The whites by law of conquest, by justice of civilization, are masters of the American continent, and the best safety of the frontier settlements will be secured by the total annihilation of the few remaining Indians. Why not annihilation? Their glory has fled, their spirit broken, their manhood effaced, better they should die than live the miserable wretches that they are.”

I think this attitude has not changed from the very beginning. The anglo-Europeans have always had a superiority complex. Just look at what Americans are doing in the Middle East to the Arabs. The ones they don’t kill, they torture them. That certainly seems to be the American way of doing things. Baum and Bush have a lot in common, except Baum was more honest.

One week later, after Baum made his outrageous statement, the U.S. military, under orders, opened fire on over 300 Lakotas, killing most of them. These were the Lakotas of Big Foot’s band. The place was called Wounded Knee.

A Lakota by the name of Running Horse spoke about the slaughter. “They turned their guns, Hotchkiss guns upon the women who were in the lodges standing there under a flag of truce, and of course as soon as they were fired upon, they fled….There was a women with an infant in her arms who was killed as she almost touched the flag of truce, and the women and children were strewn all along the circular village until they were dispatched. Right near the flag of truce, a mother was shot down with her infant; the child not knowing that it’s mother was dead was still nursing, and that especially was a very sad sight. The women, as they were fleeing with their babies, were killed together, shot right through, and the women who were heavy with child were also killed….After most of them had been killed, a cry was made that all those who were not killed or wounded should come forth and they would be safe. Little boys who were not wounded came out of their places of refuge, and as soon as they came in sight, a number of soldiers surrounded them and butchered them there… Of course it would have been all right if only the men were killed; we would feel almost grateful for it. But the fact of the killing of the women and more especially of the young boys and girls who are to make up the future of the Indian people, is the saddest part of the whole affair and we feel it very sorely.”

Today, America is looking with shock and awe at the tortures and murders taking place in Abu Ghraib prison, as American soldiers and American mercenaries torture and degrade the Iraqis, who never did anything to even threaten one American. And Americans are dumbfounded as to how this could happen when America is there in Iraq to demonstrate the meaning of human rights in a democratic way. I think the examination should start right in our own back yard. What is happening to prisoners right here in American. How many detainees do we have in our prisons? How many prisoners are Native American, innocent men like Leonard Peltier and Arlo Looking Cloud? What kinds of abuses are going on behind prison walls? There is nothing to learn from the past because the truth of the past has been shoved under a huge dirty rug.

What can I say? I think we should make Abu Ghraib a national holiday, celebrated kind of like Halloween or Columbus Day, except that Americans would be permitted to commit sexual depredations on each other, abuse each other, torture their neighbor, all with out fear of reprisal. All done with total abandonment and with merriment. Think of all the jobs created by the new factories producing instruments of torture. There would be a law, of course, that no one could be prosecuted for any obscene or pernicious act committed on that day. Maybe it could be expanded to become some type of national sport. And everyone could run around with panties on their heads. It could be bigger than Christmas.

Having killed off most the Native Americans by 1890, and forced the rest into concentration camps, the US decided it was time to finish the job. This is very similar to the sanctions the US imposed on Iraq for 12 years, that so crippled that nation, that even Luxembourg could have invaded and defeated Iraq, not that they had any desire to do so.

The US stripped the Lakotas of their weapons, horses, food, and even their culture and then went in for the final assault. According to Brigadier General L. W. Colby in command of The Nebraska National Guard which was sent to defend the Nebraska border at this time, “On November 19th, the telegraph dispatches contained rumors of fighting. [There was no fighting, not in the past 10 years] On the 20th, [1890] some of the newspapers had reports of an important battle with the Indians, the sole function of which, however, was the imaginative brain of the reporter. General Brooke immediately left Omaha for the Pine Ridge Agency, taking command in person.”

“On November 27th, General Colby continued, “there was an issue of beef to the Indians at Pine Ridge. The issue was made to about 2,600 Indians. The steers were all lean and in poor condition. Twelve hundred soldiers were moved in near the agency, and four guns were planted in a position to command the main avenues of approach to the agency, during the afternoon of the same day.”

Elaine Goodale Eastman, Supervisor of Education in the two Dakotas at that time, said, “The large Oglala boarding school became a virtual prison, the doors were kept locked by day as well as by nights and the ground, surrounded by a high fence of barbed wire, constantly patrolled by armed guards. These boys and girls were held partly as hostages for the good behavior of their parents.”

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The U.S. government used the Ghost Dance as an excuse to massacre the Lakotas and steal their land and resources. Today, the U.S. government uses terrorists as an excuse to murder thousands of innocent Afghan and Iraqis to steal their oil, and subjugate the population by imposing the new BIA, Bureau of Iraqi Affairs, upon the hapless people.

Dr. Sally Wagner, who testified at the Wounded Knee hearings, said, “On December 15, what they all feared became reality. Sitting Bull was killed, in what General Colby, characterized as a “gentleman’s agreement” to assassinate him.”

This is what Colby wrote, “understanding between the officers of the Indian and military departments that it would be impossible to bring Sitting Butt to Standing Rock alive, and even if successfully captured, it would be difficult to tell what to do with him. It is therefore believed that there was a tacit arrangement between the commanding officers and the Indian police, that the death of the famous old Medicine man was much preferred to his capture, and that the slightest attempt to rescue him should be the signal for his destruction.”

The U.S. is applying this same kind of justice in Iraq, kill off all the leaders, install a puppet government, coerce and torture dissenters, starve and subjugate the people. Now that’s what America calls liberating Iraq, to bring them freedom and democracy. I can understand the Bush cartel and the diabolical corporations he represents, murdering and torturing with total abandonment in order to dominate the Middle East and to gobble up all the oil; what I can’t understand is millions of Americans who cowardly hide behind their jobs or fears or insecurities rather than lift their voices in protest. I would just like to ask, who is holding a gun to your head that you can’t even utter a word of protest at this great obscenity committed in your name.

But the Lakotas were not turbulent and violent in 1890. They were disarmed prisoners of war stuck in concentration camps, stripped of everything that made life beautiful for them, stripped of their land, their freedom, their way of life, their self-sufficiency, their children, their health, their pride, their culture, and much more. It’s a dagger to the heart to think of what all these people endured. At the beginning of the 17th century, they numbered in the millions. Now, on the Pine Ridge, there were only 2600 Lakotas left. The diabolical plan was to eliminate the Indians, wipe them off the face of the earth, and then lie about the reasons for doing so.

So what do Indians really want? The same thing Iraqis want. They want you to stop lying about the past. They would like you to get out of their life, live up to Treaty obligations, do not steal any more land.

I have heard all kinds of ridiculous reasons for why we need to stay the course in Iraq, like (1) We need to finish the job we started, (2) we need to bring democracy to Iraq, (3) we need to stabilize the region, and so on. It’s a little like saying the bank robbers are already in the process of committing armed robbery. Might as well let them finish the job.

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[niteflyer]

Not to belittle your post prez, cause you are right on; but also remember that millions of blacks toiled their lives away to enable the whites to do this, as slaves of the whites.....

[lazserus]

Greed, feelings of superiority and a desire to change things to be "our" way are a trademark of America.
I love how there always has to be a scapegoat. This statement alone only proves more what you claim to fight against. These traits are not American traits, but HUMAN traits. Every member of the genus homo sapien, regardless of culture, society, or race, practices one form or other of these atrocities.

Some tribes of Native Americans brutally murdered each other and even cannibalized each other. Africans STILL sell their own people into slavery where they can. People in the Middle East are still sawing heads off and stoning people to death. Yes, the white man has been atrocious in the past, but so have all the other races. I grow tired of hearing how the American people are the root of all evil in the world and people get so obsessed with conspiracy theories that they turn a blind eye to the horrors of the rest of the world.

Now's a good time to wake up and smell reality. Looking at the world through a filter does no man right, but does every man wrong.

[prezhorusin04]

i didn't write the article Laz..Just posted it..I know that's a human trait, but none have been so oppressed, murdered, tortured, manipulated and squandered, then those people under the boot heel of the Aryan race and their spiritual and territorial conquests.Niteflyer, i see your point, and i think it adds to my statement..

Yes, blacks sold their people out as slaves, but the whites would have taken them either way.Sometimes it's just easier to buy something, then fight for it.

And half the time that other races do violence to their own people, there is a rich white hand working behind the scenes.

Are all Americans bad? No, not at all. But their is no denying that America was founded on slavery, blood, and genocide by the millions.-Look at America even in the early 1900's..60-75,000 Americans were forcibly sterilized and castrated due to being seen as a lower race and class of citizen. Eugenics swept the land, and it was by majority rule..The "thinkers" and "educated" of the day, especially in Middle/Upper class White America, saw the "science" of Racial cleansing as the wave of the future..So did Hitler, and look what happened..

In fact, before the war, when Hitler announced he sought to "purify" the race, American Eugenisist praised Hitler and said he was going according to the natural laws that should be established..When Hitler became the enemy, and started slaughtering millions, the Eugenisist changed their tune, atleast publicly..

In fact, though Eugenics in America dropped out of the mainstream in the 40's and 50's, the laws of Eugenics are still in place and have never been repelled..1000's of Americans in Prisons, mental institutions, and elsewhere, are still being castrated and sterilized as being seen as a "lower form of life" and un-needed to breed and reproduce.

Look at the MANUFACTURE of AIDS..Directed at the black and gay populace..This was a form of Eugenics, as well as the fact that cigarettes have been causing cancer for decades.

i don't claim to know their mindset Laz, but picture yourself..Born into an "elect" bloodline , with millions in your savings, and another $100million scattered thru your connections to other companies and organizations. Born into secret knowledge and power, and made to believe that you were superior, while the worker bees were inferior cattle with which to do as you pleased.

i think your mindset and actions could become a bit warped in that light..It would take a very strong person to break their ties to the Elites, and live a moral and loving life..A life that doesn't revolve around the "purity" of blood, and the knowledge of ancient secrets and brotherhood ties.

[Emerald_Dragon]

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.Born into an "elect" bloodline , with millions in your savings, and another $100million scattered thru your connections to other companies and organizations. Born into secret knowledge and power, and made to believe that you were superior, while the worker bees were inferior cattle with which to do as you pleased.


err...niteflyer...do you fit this ticket? agree or disagree? point of clarification?

[lazserus]

I know that's a human trait, but none have been so oppressed, murdered, tortured, manipulated and squandered, then those people under the boot heel of the Aryan race and their spiritual and territorial conquests.
As I stated, you're looking through a biased filter and have no Earthly idea of what else is in the world.

Allow me to remind you of some history. The Jews were slaves of the Egyptians for thousands of years, not a measily few hundred. The white man was more oppressive? Try math. The Spanish were buying African slaves from Africans almost 2 hundred years before the rest of the "white" Europe got involved.


But their is no denying that America was founded on slavery, blood, and genocide by the millions.
Wake up. Every established nation and society of this world has a foundation of blood and murder. Stop pointing your finger, because you don't have enough fingers to go around. The entire basis of Christianity lies on a foundation of murder and oppression that extends thousands of years, but I don't see you lecturing about their murdering past.


In fact, before the war, when Hitler announced he sought to "purify" the race, American Eugenisist praised Hitler and said he was going according to the natural laws that should be established..When Hitler became the enemy, and started slaughtering millions, the Eugenisist changed their tune, atleast publicly..
Back to the Jews - not to undermine the Holocaust in anyway, but it was recess compared to what the Egyptians put them through.


Look at the MANUFACTURE of AIDS
You can't use this for an argument because there's no real hard evidence that this is reality. There are tiny coincidences and the rest is fabricated in your mind. I'm not going to disagree that AIDS was manufactured, but I certainly would never use it as a basis for an argument when there's no substantial evidence to support it.

[prezhorusin04]

Laz,
Sorry it took me so long to respond.

I could give you atleast a dozen articles that show evidence to support that AIDS was a manufactured biological warfare agent, but here is a RECENT article that should hold some respect.



Nobel peace laureate claims HIV deliberately created
Kenyan ecologist Wangari Maathai, the first African woman to win the Nobel Peace Prize, today reiterated her claim that the AIDS virus was a deliberately created biological agent.

"Some say that AIDS came from the monkeys, and I doubt that because we have been living with monkeys (since) time immemorial, others say it was a curse from God, but I say it cannot be that.

"Us black people are dying more than any other people in this planet," Ms Maathai told a press conference in Nairobi a day after winning the prize for her work in human rights and reversing deforestation across Africa.

"It's true that there are some people who create agents to wipe out other people. If there were no such people, we could have not have invaded Iraq," she said.

"We invaded Iraq because we believed that Saddam Hussein had made, or was in the process of creating agents of biological warfare," said Ms Maathai.

"In fact it (the HIV virus) is created by a scientist for biological warfare," she added.

"Why has there been so much secrecy about AIDS? When you ask where did the virus come from, it raises a lot of flags. That makes me suspicious," Ms Maathai said.

Africa accounts for 25 million out of the estimated 38 million across the world infected with HIV, and the vast majority of infected Africans are women, according to UNAIDS estimates.

The United States on Friday congratulated Ms Maathai on winning the Nobel Peace Prize, but tempered its praise over her claims about AIDS.

"She said (HIV/AIDS) was invented as a bio-weapon in some laboratory in the West," a senior State Department official said.

"We don't agree with that."

The official pointed to a report of those comments published in August in Kenya's daily Standard newspaper, in which Ms Maathai was quoted as saying that HIV/AIDS was created by scientists for the purpose of mass extermination.

--AFP
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200410/s1216687.htm

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Also Laz, you said the Egyptians held the Jews as slaves for thousands of years, and this MIGHT be true. But i personally don't find the Bible as a shining example for historical accuracies.

I think that there was a mass amount of jewish slaves in Egypt, but i also think that there was a higher proponent of Jewish Elites that lived in Egypt at the same time. Not unsimilar to the stories of Africans who sold their own people into slavery in the expedition to the Americas...A Hierarchy of Jews, Aryans, AND Blacks in Egypt is what led to the thousands and thousands of years of slavery over the populace. Human sacrifice, funerary rituals, and the intensive building of massive monuments made for the living and the dead.

There is alot of evidence to support a theory of genetic manipulation, and selective breeding, in both Sumeria and Egypt. Either the Jew made the Aryan, or the Aryan made the jew. But along with the Blacks, some intermingling of the three, made the Egyptian people.

People were playing God here.
This is what biologically engineered diseases like AIDS is all about.
As well as the so called 'science' of Eugenics.

The Elites have been using biological warfare for perhaps many thousands of years.

[LC Jeffries]

I love how there always has to be a scapegoat. This statement alone only proves more what you claim to fight against. These traits are not American traits, but HUMAN traits. Every member of the genus homo sapien, regardless of culture, society, or race, practices one form or other of these atrocities.

Some tribes of Native Americans brutally murdered each other and even cannibalized each other. Africans STILL sell their own people into slavery where they can. People in the Middle East are still sawing heads off and stoning people to death. Yes, the white man has been atrocious in the past, but so have all the other races. I grow tired of hearing how the American people are the root of all evil in the world and people get so obsessed with conspiracy theories that they turn a blind eye to the horrors of the rest of the world.

Now's a good time to wake up and smell reality. Looking at the world through a filter does no man right, but does every man wrong.

Rev,

I agree with you here. Somehow America has become the Country responsable for every woe, in the World.

People keep forgetting that many from around the world are struggling to come and live here. Not to get out as soon as possiable. We are a nation of immigrants and Native Peoples.

I know many Native people who love what we have become. We are That melting pot, but certain fringe groups want to boil that stew over and are struggling to put one group of people against another. They have set out to bring this nation to it's knees. The Bible states that a Nation Divided surely shall fall. I see this really beginning to happen here.

:band:

[lotrfan55345]

Prez, how do you get these articles? Do you have like a special program to search any conspiracy-related articles?

[prezhorusin04]

No, but now that you mention it LOTRF, i'd like to congratulate Laz, Matt and everybody on the new set up of AO. You've made it very easy to search for up to the minute news stories now..Good Job guys!

[LC Jeffries]

Have to agree there.