Doomsday bunker sales surging

[MaxBooBoo]

I just wanted to share this link with you... Maybe you have the necessary wherewithal. :wink:

http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/22/real_estate/doomsday_bunkers/index.htm?hpt=C2

[The Mule]

Interesting that the guy says this :

"I'm not a psychic but I'm not a scientist either, so I'd rather err on the side of caution -- and I'd rather survive and live in a bunker for a year than be wiped out," he said

What sort of world does he think he'll be coming out to after a year ?

A barren, ice cold, radioactive wasteland ? No food, contaminated water, no medicine etc, etc and that's without the psychological affects of being stuck in a shelter for a year.

No thanks, i'll stick to being frazzled in a milli second.

[MHz]

In the practical realm of things, how do you distill water that is contaminated. The most radical thing I can think of is by using a hho generator you make yourself. A strong 12V battery and a few pieces of stainless steel are all you need to get the contaminated water separated into gases, lighting that gas and pointing it at something cold should recombine the 'heated gases' back into water. That should be about as distilled as you can get, if the water is contaminated then the air is also so you are breathing it in anyway, no sense dieing of thirst 20 years (varies victim to victim) before the radiation claims you.

The only place in the world to be big enough to hold the millions of Japanese is Hudson's Bay in Canada. It's pristine condition for somebody who likes making a living off the sea. Sink some $300B in and you have a profitable fish-farm built on earth-quake proof land. The winters are long and mostly dark so bring blankets and a warm friend.

[Scuba]

In the practical realm of things, how do you distill water that is contaminated. The most radical thing I can think of is by using a hho generator you make yourself. A strong 12V battery and a few pieces of stainless steel are all you need to get the contaminated water separated into gases, lighting that gas and pointing it at something cold should recombine the 'heated gases' back into water. That should be about as distilled as you can get, if the water is contaminated then the air is also so you are breathing it in anyway, no sense dieing of thirst 20 years (varies victim to victim) before the radiation claims you.

The only place in the world to be big enough to hold the millions of Japanese is Hudson's Bay in Canada. It's pristine condition for somebody who likes making a living off the sea. Sink some $300B in and you have a profitable fish-farm built on earth-quake proof land. The winters are long and mostly dark so bring blankets and a warm friend.

Actually, water and air filtration isn't all that difficult as long as you've planned ahead and these shelters are designed for that in mind usually.

Radiation is only really all that dangerous if it's ingested unless your exposed to high levels of external radiation for long periods of time. Filtering radioactive particles from water isn't hard because it's not the water that is radioactive it's the particle in the water. So knowing that the filter would only need to be .1 micron or so to basically get everything. Now, the handling of the used filter itself would need to be safe as well.

[pico]

I have looked into Utah Shelters, but decided it was not practical at the time due to shipping costs. I am building a root cellar in a month or so and it will have the proper filtration to act as a NBC shelter... and will have a cement filled steel door with gun port, so do not get any ideas;)

I see these as a stupid idea for the large communities, and think these people have been playing a bit too much fallout 3 and new vegas. The idea that you can spend money and then get along well with other yuppies in these communities is a farce that will likely end badly, if people are stuck underground for extended periods.

Building these things is not too difficult, nor too expensive. I plan on making my roof with 8" reinforced concrete, and the walls will be with cinder blocks filled with cement. The floor will be 1 foot of crushed gravel with an inch of concrete or less to have a smooth surface. In the event of an emergency and we have blocked exits, we could cut our way out.

[MHz]

Having a container installed under the garage pad would make a durable (and cheap) shell. For a little extra it could built into any house with a garage. Storing a years worth of food takes up a lot of room just by itself.

Having a root cellar type of structure could save lots of money over just one years (fridge and freezer assist and fewer lbs of spoilage per year, bad news is the basement would make the better location for a kitchen.

I'm having a hard time not thinking the right blend of clay/moisture/flax straw (or hemp) could be used as a concrete substitute, as in a bullet-proof door. My purpose of such a place would be more for placing them in various forest settings that have a great view and just rent them out to quaders who want to spend a weekend a fair distance from where the roads end. They would need to be secure-able so they don't get robbed for the electronics etc and made of a material that is fire-proof, which clay is. Heating and cooling would have to be passive solar and buried 'insulated heat-sinks'. Since I'm not trying to hide I could use some wind gen-set designed for use on a sailboat although some of the vertical axis designs look like they have some potential and they can be serviced at ground level.

As it is it should have lots of wind available.

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/41889718.jpg

[TC]

Interesting that the guy says this :

"I'm not a psychic but I'm not a scientist either, so I'd rather err on the side of caution -- and I'd rather survive and live in a bunker for a year than be wiped out," he said

What sort of world does he think he'll be coming out to after a year ?

A barren, ice cold, radioactive wasteland ? No food, contaminated water, no medicine etc, etc and that's without the psychological affects of being stuck in a shelter for a year.

No thanks, i'll stick to being frazzled in a milli second.

I agree. even if one survived an initial "event" ( insert your own destruction here) what would you have left? I assume we are talking a worldwide event, so you're stuck in a can for years....if you can filter the air, get ride of unbelievable amounts of shit and piss, and keep from going mad when you realize the rest of the world is toast...

Naaa... thats not surviving.

[Tired Old Man]

I don't know about being stuck in a " can " or shelter for a year. But I also wouldn't want to be frazzled in a milli second.

[MHz]

I hear catching an incoming asteroid is a good alternative to a long slow painful death as long as you have a lawn chair and a few beer and a few other people to share the view with.

[pico]

I hear catching an incoming asteroid is a good alternative to a long slow painful death as long as you have a lawn chair and a few beer and a few other people to share the view with.

Not to pick on you, but who would have told you what it's like?

Unless you have enough dirt over your head, being underground will simply drag out the inevitable... but that is what handguns are for in those situations.

[MHz]

Just a few history channel type of shows, one was quite good, even covered the various mental stages a person goes through while starvation claims their life. I hate to imagine how they got the data.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r97xoSOEjM

The 'should I run or should I stay syndrome' was from watching some mini series on Yellowstone blasting off. The kill radias is about 800km, I live 804km away. I don't mind running like hell or whatever it takes if it means I will get out alive. I would hate it if I ran and ran and just died tired compared to accepting fate has just tapped you on the shoulder, along with a great many others.

Say it was an extended disaster and you were down to your last week of food, would you share it with some stranger who happened along or would you defend it to the bitter end even though you killing that person means you will die alone, probably a long painful death. I'm not suicidal but in that situation I might want to save the last bullet for myself.

This is just a test right?? lol

[katatz561]

Just a few history channel type of shows, one was quite good, even covered the various mental stages a person goes through while starvation claims their life. I hate to imagine how they got the data.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r97xoSOEjM

The 'should I run or should I stay syndrome' was from watching some mini series on Yellowstone blasting off. The kill radias is about 800km, I live 804km away. I don't mind running like hell or whatever it takes if it means I will get out alive. I would hate it if I ran and ran and just died tired compared to accepting fate has just tapped you on the shoulder, along with a great many others.

Say it was an extended disaster and you were down to your last week of food, would you share it with some stranger who happened along or would you defend it to the bitter end even though you killing that person means you will die alone, probably a long painful death. I'm not suicidal but in that situation I might want to save the last bullet for myself.

This is just a test right?? lol

you do know that if you build a shelter the right way there are always room for improvement like before things hit the fan, you could add a make shift botany bay using UV plant growing lights and if you had enough water stored in your stockpile or water tanks somewhere you could creat a timed sprinkler system. With some systems like this you would also need a mass amount of seeds. some plants could be used mainly for oxygen creation while others you could harvest fruits and vegetables from, this also depends on what power sources you are working with this way you don't have to worry about actually starving to death, killing the other person to keep diminishing food safe or saving a bullet for yourself.

you would only need soil seed when the plants die they give you more compost to use and hopefully you are good enough to also spare some fruits or vegis soyou could replenish the seeds you've use.

hopefully who ever happens byis also not a freeloader and will help you out with these tasks or they can face the music in the wasteland.

Also plants tend to give off water also in the form of steam on glass or plexiglass you would also do well to make a tray at the top of a growing container to catch it if you plan on creating a enclosed growing space. this way you are not wasting precious resources, you could also recycle your urine with a filter and use that in a separate tank if you wish and use that to water your plants with also if it is undesirable to just outright drink it from the purifier. just saying.

[TC]

This all sounds like it works, but again, whats left above? Asteroid or Yellowstone, both would have consequences that reduce the planet to a dark cold ball. I don't understand what one would be staying alive for?

[katatz561]

Interesting that the guy says this :

"I'm not a psychic but I'm not a scientist either, so I'd rather err on the side of caution -- and I'd rather survive and live in a bunker for a year than be wiped out," he said

What sort of world does he think he'll be coming out to after a year ?

A barren, ice cold, radioactive wasteland ? No food, contaminated water, no medicine etc, etc and that's without the psychological affects of being stuck in a shelter for a year.

No thanks, i'll stick to being frazzled in a milli second.

mindset in a undergound shelter only depends on what you bring with you to pass the time, but if it were me I could safely say alone in one of those things I could come out of it without any pschological damage though I tend to be more to myself anyways and find different ways to pass the time and or keep my food and water supplies to max as much as I could. bring lot's of books and comics.:deal:

[katatz561]

This all sounds like it works, but again, whats left above? Asteroid or Yellowstone, both would have consequences that reduce the planet to a dark cold ball. I don't understand what one would be staying alive for?

Asteroid I could understand their would'nt be any reason to stay alive but yellowstone would be a bit more minor than that it's not exactly an E.L.E. then theirs actually a reason to survive, and I actually live far enough away that I would mostly only get the ashes.

If I got something wrong tell me so I don't feel like I rambling on.

[custompainter]

So how do you feel about using old lava tubes for shelter? By old I mean tubes that have been dormant, for thousands of years. These should provide some level of security. Or would they?
As in a low level global event,such as food riots,etc.

[TC]

Asteroid I could understand their wouldn't be any reason to stay alive but yellowstone would be a bit more minor than that it's not exactly an E.L.E. then theirs actually a reason to survive, and I actually live far enough away that I would mostly only get the ashes.

If I got something wrong tell me so I don't feel like I rambling on.

Hard to say, Yellowstone dumped ash all the way to the east coast, and pretty well screwed the atmosphere for years. Ash is really vary fine particles of glass and the reflective properties are huge when it comes to sun light. Both these factors would put an end to food production.

It may not end our species, but it would reduce humanity to a stone age existence, and the horrors of survivors searching for food when there isn't any.

Think of it like this, we're selfish now to the point of madness.... then imagine the above scenario.

[katatz561]

depends if theres a chance at some point it fills with lava again. I'd have to say I'd be feeling pretty uncomfortable in one of those no matter the situation especially since you say dorment and not extinct.

[katatz561]

Hard to say, Yellowstone dumped ash all the way to the east coast, and pretty well screwed the atmosphere for years. Ash is really vary fine particles of glass and the reflective properties are huge when it comes to sun light. Both these factors would put an end to food production.

It may not end our species, but it would reduce humanity to a stone age existence, and the horrors of survivors searching for food when there isn't any.

Think of it like this, we're selfish now to the point of madness.... then imagine the above scenario.

we are still talking about bunkers right?

[TC]

we are still talking about bunkers right?

Of course, just talking about what life would be after the bunker...

[MHz]

Of course, just talking about what life would be after the bunker...
In the old days before a paper element was used for filtration on vehicles they used to use an oil bath filter where the air the engine used was bubbled through some raw engine oil and that filter never had to be serviced .(other than scraping the crud out of the bottom of the oil bath tank. I assume with the right viscosity oil you could filter out any size particle you desired. Your air filtration pump might be hand powered bellows in the worst case situation.

[pico]

Many of the shelters use a p trap setup with a water as the medium, from what I have seen in older publications and manuals.

[katatz561]

Of course, just talking about what life would be after the bunker...

that is why you would have to set it up for the long run that way you would have a place to fall back to if things don't look very favorable above.

[katatz561]

Many of the shelters use a p trap setup with a water as the medium, from what I have seen in older publications and manuals.

I know that the Apollo 13 mission crew had to improvise an air scrubber system that was based on the chemical lithium, that also may work also for bunkers if you are running out of breathable air and reintroduce oxygen into the air.

[Goldmoon]

This is actually true.

[MHz]

Many of the shelters use a p trap setup with a water as the medium, from what I have seen in older publications and manuals.
I wonder if the store bought variety come with GPS locator beacons, after all that is where the treasures will be?

[Tired Old Man]

Just a few history channel type of shows, one was quite good, even covered the various mental stages a person goes through while starvation claims their life. I hate to imagine how they got the data.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r97xoSOEjM

The 'should I run or should I stay syndrome' was from watching some mini series on Yellowstone blasting off. The kill radias is about 800km, I live 804km away. I don't mind running like hell or whatever it takes if it means I will get out alive. I would hate it if I ran and ran and just died tired compared to accepting fate has just tapped you on the shoulder, along with a great many others.

Say it was an extended disaster and you were down to your last week of food, would you share it with some stranger who happened along or would you defend it to the bitter end even though you killing that person means you will die alone, probably a long painful death. I'm not suicidal but in that situation I might want to save the last bullet for myself.

This is just a test right?? lol

I can't believe I watched the whole thing....lol
Some of the info from the History Channel was good. But I always find it strange when the collapse of a civilization can be viewed " in the end " as a good thing. I can understand it , but find it strange.

In time the air would be clean and the water pure because there would be less people. It would be a simpler time.

Simpler my ass. While I have never had to do it. Growing food and hunting to feed a family is not a simple thing. But what I found and find in a lot of media stories today is the concept that we need less people. Why ?

[Traveler]

You know I would probably go the other way around. I would find a way to survive the initial catastrophe, whatever it is, and then go looking for survivors so as to help them. The more people and diverse skill sets the greater the chance of pulling through in the long haul.

There does not have to be a mad max situation.

[pico]

I would think the best thing would be to grow your own and raise your own... kind of like the early hunter to farmer/gatherer group transitions that are discussed from the past. Growing food is not terribly difficult if you have good dirt and enough rain. I would think any major catastrophe would likely disrupt weather patterns and make much fertile land unworkable. Having seeds in your survival arsenal is a must, but it might not be an option. Hunting might not be viable, if much of the game is dead. Then, raising your own meat requires feed, and if there is no feed, then your livestock dies as well. It will definitely be interesting, and to think it will be easy starts you off handicapped to the realities of the 'Brave New World'.

[katatz561]

storing up top soil or potting soil for the seed would be pretty wise and creating your own compost with the dead plants is a must. I used to grow plants in a green house but using compost as fertilizer or knowing how to tends to put you afoot of the game too. trying to grow livestock though would be tough for me unless i'm planning on growing mass amount of rabbits, and for me would be more realistic. I would'nt be able to handle anything larger.

[medicvet]

You know I would probably go the other way around. I would find a way to survive the initial catastrophe, whatever it is, and then go looking for survivors so as to help them. The more people and diverse skill sets the greater the chance of pulling through in the long haul.

There does not have to be a mad max situation.

Thank you. I had seen the show earlier, but I think if you have people gather together to form a community then it's bound to be easier to survive.

[stonesmith]

I agree, living in a can for a year with no future is no way to live.