Religious Fanatic Posters

[Lillith]

Needless to say we all encounter people daily who have diverse backgrounds, belief systems, cultures, etc. As it relates to Forum etiquette and civil discourse we generally state our opinions, we live and let live and even have a few quarrels but eventually we move on. But Some do not and the appearance of arrogance with little regard for others eventually becomes evident. Some call it Fanatisism or obsessive compulsive. The Fanatic eventually erodes their own credibility doing themselves a great disservice, to the chargrin of everyone else, including other readers who try to engage them.


Fanaticism is not necessarily relegated to any religion per se, but in this case, this forum is in the US and due to the exposure we are generally captive audiences to the most prevelant - Christian. Were we in a Moslem country, moderates would be more exposed to that religion.

The question is not who or where, its always about why.

A Look at Transpersonal Identity Disorder

John Firman and Ann Gila






Our world today is torn asunder by men and women who claim that
God is on their side, and who, secure in the righteousness of their
positions, perpetrate acts of violent destruction. Such individuals are
driven by the certainty that they are privy to sacred truths and are
therefore morally obligated to do everything in their power—no matter
how many people may suffer—to act upon these truths. Coupled with
their inflated sense of personal rectitude, moral certainty, and ideological
purity is a tendency to dehumanize and even demonize those who oppose
them.


Although this disorder can be called “religious fanaticism,” those
afflicted need not appear wild-eyed or deranged; quite the contrary, they
can present themselves as thoughtful and responsible people inspired by
the loftiest of ideals. Nevertheless, their absolute confidence in themselves and their cause, their willingness to create massive destruction for a supposed higher good, and their dehumanization of their opponents, all indicate the imbalance of a personality disorder.



Lucy Smith; To me you are a silly old toothless tiger, i have to let you know this, but i am willing and happy to see you repent and become a son of God rather than your namaste ''demonic queen''




We need not point out specific examples of this disorder perhaps, except to say that it can afflict anyone, from the person on the street, to the international terrorist, to the leader of the most powerful nation on earth.



The dynamics that underlie religious fanaticism have been recognized


by many psychological thinkers. For example, C. G. Jung (1966) wrote of

“positive inflation,” Alice Miller (1981) described grandiosity used as a

defense against depression, Gary Rosenthal (1987) utilized the phrase
“inflated by the spirit,” and Greg Bogart (1995) warned against “the
shadow of vocation.” More recently Robert Jay Lifton (2000) has
described this type of personality structure in his concept of “functional
megalomania” that fuels what he calls “the new global terrorism.”





WORD;
In two weeks I'll be leaving Barcelona to go preach the gospel to Christians until I'm killed. Soon after I'm dead, the earth will start to shake violently and this will kill most people in the first hour. All the man made structures on earth will fall along with many of the mountains shaking loose and boulders rolling to the valleys. The tsunami's will destroy everything along the coastal regions and drown all it's inhabitants. The ashes, smoke and gases in the air will eventually kill everything else before the magma deep inside the earth finally explodes through the crust and melts it. Nothing will survive this destruction.



It is our contention in this paper that at the core of religious fanaticism

are actual, valid, transpersonal or spiritual experiences—of universal love,

of cosmic consciousness, of being “born again,” of union with God, for
example— that serve to form the cornerstone of the religious fanatic
personality. We also posit that the problem in this disorder is not with





these transpersonal experiences per se, but with the manner in which


these become organized within the personality, and that recovery from


this disorder involves the harmonious integration of these experiences.

[Lillith]

As we all have at some point or another...a religious experience of some kind that sets us off on exploration.

Validating Transpersonal Experience



As unbalanced as religious fanaticism can become, it is important that
our understanding of it does not involve a devaluation of the
transpersonal experiences that inform it. Approaches that fail to recognize
the profundity and truth of spiritual experiences may theorize that these
experiences constitute a regression to a supposed infantile unitive state
(although there is growing evidence that such a state does not in fact
exist, see for example, Stern, 1985/2000; Rochat, 2001). Not much better
are alternative theories that view the transpersonal experiencing of the
disordered personality as somehow inferior or more primitive than the
supposed more advanced transpersonal experiencing of the healthy
personality.

However, all such theories underestimate the ability of profound
transpersonal insights to impact us at all stages of development, in all
areas of our lives, and within any personality configuration. It is our
belief that the religious fanatic personality is not having a regressive or
inferior transpersonal experience; rather, that the disordered personality
is failing to integrate transpersonal experiencing in a balanced and
effective way.

This latter view is very important clinically because to in any way
invalidate or depreciate the transpersonal experiencing of a person
seeking help can only lead them to suppress the experience, resist the
therapy, or more often perhaps, avoid therapy altogether. In any case, the client is not supported in understanding and integrating these important life experiences.

Thus it seems obvious that only those therapeutic approaches that
understand, respect, and value transpersonal experiences—no matter in
what type of personality they occur—can facilitate a healthy integration
of these into the wholeness of the person. Psychosynthesis, developed by
the Italian psychiatrist Roberto Assagioli (1965, 1973a), is one of these
approaches.

Assagioli was a colleague of Freud and Jung (cf., McGuire, 1974, 241)
who sought not only an analysis of the psyche, but a “synthesis” of the
psyche. Such a synthesis would include the trauma of the lower
unconscious explored by psychoanalysis as well as the transpersonal experiencing of the higher unconscious (see below)—the realm studied byhumanistic and transpersonal psychology

[LucySmith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JA6vRC1xW_c

do you think presentation qualifies?
i understand now what you mean lillith- thank you for highlighting such obessions

[Lillith]

A Psychosynthesis Approach


In psychosynthesis terms, religious fanaticism begins healthily enough,
with experiencing at the higher unconscious levels of the psyche. At these
levels of experience, one can for example sense such things as a
connection to something greater than oneself, a transcendence of duality,
a profound sense of universal meaning, or a union with Divinity or Spirit.


These beneficial “peak,” “unitive,” or “mystical” experiences have been
much studied in humanistic and transpersonal psychology, and have been
found to be far more common than generally supposed (see for example,
Maslow, 1962, 1971).


In encountering these wonderfully enlightening experiences, however,
we may begin to treasure them so highly that we are led to identify with
them, to consider them as who we most truly are. Such a transpersonal
identification (Firman & Gila, 2002) can in turn lead to attitudes, beliefs,

and behaviors based on this strong valuation and even idealization of the
higher, and these may over time develop into a coherent personality.

Such a personality is thus founded on the assumption that this higher level of experience is the most true, real, or ideal, coupled with a tendency to dismiss other, more mundane, levels of experience as inferior or illusory.

This type of personality belongs to a category that we can call

transpersonal identity disorder (TID), to be discussed more fully later in this paper.


Religious fanaticism then is an extreme form of transpersonal identity disorder that, fed by this over-valuation and idealization of transpersonal experiencing, becomes highly inflated and grandiose.



Often supported by an idealistic ideology and faithful colleagues, religious fanatics are capable of quite destructive behavior because this strong commitment to supposed higher truths overshadows any seemingly lesser human concerns—and serves to denigrate those people and institutions who manifest these concerns.

This denigration of others can begin with terms like “unevolved” and “unenlightened,” move to “inhuman” and “less than human,” and finally to the most pernicious, “evil” or “satanic.”


Terms such as these can of course support the most egregious acts towards fellow human beings. But religious fanatics care less about the suffering of others—or themselves— than they do about their higher purpose, and they see the ills they do as justified by the greater good they seek.

Assagioli refers to this inflated transpersonal identification when he writes, “the inflowing spiritual energies may have the unfortunate effect of feeding and inflating the personal ego” (Assagioli 1965, 44). He goes on to call this a confusion of levels:

The fatal error of all who fall victim to these illusions is to attribute to their personal ego or “self” the qualities and

powers of the Self.


In philosophical terms, it is a case of confusion between an absolute and a relative truth, between the metaphysical and the empirical levels of reality; in religious terms, between God and the “soul.”

...instances of such confusion, more or less pronounced, are not uncommon among people dazzled by contact with truths which are too powerful for their mental capacities to grasp and assimilate.


The reader will doubtless be able to record instances of similar self-deception which are found in a
number of fanatical followers of various cults. (45


Note that Assagioli throughout affirms the validity of the transpersonal experiencing: “spiritual energies” that inflate and “truths” too powerful to assimilate. It is the inflation and the failure to assimilate—not the energy
and truth of transpersonal experience itself—that are the difficulty here.

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[tahn1000]

wow, i went from unevolved and unenlightened straight to evil and satanic.

[Lillith]

In religious fanaticism the powerful energies of transpersonal
experiencing feed the personality, allowing one to operate beyond the
uncertainties of normal human existence and the norms of consensual
morality; here one can attain the utter confidence and certainty of an
idealized prophet or messiah. In the words of psychosynthesis
psychologist Frank Haronian (1983), religious fanaticism would be an
extreme case of “infatuation with the sublime.”


Originally Posted by LucySmith;


no word,-sorry to disappoint your religious ego
this thread is doing WONDERS for some others - so I rebuke your interference in the Glorious Name of Saviour Yeshua.


over 10000 hits from readers, proves that people are sick of hearing from people like you who are mentally challenged, and basically controlled by demons.


The reason there are so many hits on this thread is - people are being educated by the Spirit of the Lord to become wise to true salvation.




It is then no surprise that according to The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary (Little, Fowler, & Coulson, 1933) the word “fanatical” derives from the Latin root fanum meaning “temple,” and that one definition is,“possessed by a deity or a devil.”


In religious fanaticism, this possession or identification forms a charismatic personality that can attract and enthrall other individuals, groups, and most tragically, even entire nations.2


The Polarization of Higher and Lower A personality structure fueled by higher unconscious experience
attains a seductive certainty and power from the sense of absolute truth found at these higher levels of experience. However, such a personality is thereby at the same time largely dissociated from other levels of the psyche, most notably the lower unconscious, that area in us that is characterized by experiences we have called primal wounding ( Firman & Gila 1997, 2002).


This wounding is the result of an assault to our sense of self, our Iamness, caused by failures of our nurturing environment; it produces feelings associated with personal annihilation or nonbeing such as shame,
abandonment, anxiety, and fragmentation. Primal wounding is akin to the empathic failure, narcissistic wounding, disintegration anxiety, and annihilation recognized by Winnicott (1987) and Kohut (1984) among others.


And here we see the two tremendously potent forces that underpin the fanatical personality—not only are we given an absolute certainty about ourselves and our calling in life, but we are delivered from the anxious uncertainty, the debilitating shame, and the terrible specter of personal annihilation that loom at other levels of our soul.

[LucySmith]

does this so called ''disease'' include religious stalking? meaning a rejected person trying to be recognised by another?
the spirit of rejection in a person, makes that person wish to bathe in the glory of another they find attractive. it happens quiet alot but not here.



i never heard of this ''affliction'' before - sounds so nasty like acholism and ciggy smoking.
I wonder whose mind made that up -probably a uni student with nothing to do i guess?

BTW - i wonder if Jesus, Paul and other bible heros would be classed as ''what is this theory of man called again''.
umm i have forgotten.

did Jesus have this ''demonic'' religiousity too?
well according to the topic at hand HE QUALIFIES for he was hated FOR HOW HE PREACHED LIFE ABUNDANT, and asked His believers to do the same
sigh

ummm maybe this topic refers to preacher men like Jim Jones or that guy David Korech that was killed burn down by authorites - oocch not nice.
i read some of david's writing once but did not feel he needed to be burnt to death for them . it is amazing what type of society would do this hey?

[tahn1000]

christ walked the talk - a man of tolerance and even temperament. so no, you couldn't call him a religious nutter.

[Lillith]

=LucySmith;425401]does this so called ''disease'' include religious stalking? meaning a rejected person trying to be recognised by another?
the spirit of rejection in a person, makes that person wish to bathe in the glory of another they find attractive. it happens quiet alot but not here.




Religious fanaticism is formed by an attachment to, identification with,
possession by, higher unconscious levels of experience, coupled with a
powerful dissociation from the primal wounding associated with the lower
unconscious.


Furthermore, when the fanatical identification falters and
these deep wounds thereby threaten to emerge, a powerful defensive rage may arise.









Lucy: no word,-sorry to disappoint your religious ego











this thread is doing WONDERS for some others - so I rebuke your interference in the Glorious Name of Saviour Yeshua.





Originally Posted by LucySmith http://forums.armageddononline.org/images/Darkness2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.armageddononline.org/showthread.php?p=423657#post423657)


ummm well look at it this way babes,'


a bible hater [you] and a demonical queen called lillith [the supposed 1st wife of Adam] wearing the proven fake turin shround - should have a lot in common.


a bible heater
a demon queen


hello'' insanity''


why would you to love the truth babes, when you hate the bible and the Believers.
ummm
and what edifying posts would ever come our of the mind of a ''demonic quuen'?
ummm


also consider ''the demonic queen' '[lillith] poll will have to receive thousands of ''boring votes'' to overtake 10000+ hits.


ROTFL


how funny are the demonics!






Such “narcissistic rage” (Kohut) is the energy that leads to the dehumanization, abuse, and even destruction of other human beings when the fanatical program is challenged.




The Word;424845]

I was created as the Word of God so everything you see in this universe is about me.

It's my created existence that will kill you and everything else on this planet, soon.



Note, by the way, that such rage need not look “rageful” at all—the arrogance, stubbornness, and violence supported by rage can mask itself as righteous indignation, steadfast commitment to principle, and valiant leadership in a grand and dangerous endeavor.

[LucySmith]

no!!!
we wouldn't Tahn1000 but the jews seem to be upset over His preaching style and had the romans kill Him for it - His preaching got up their nostrils.
but hang on.................
Did they have this ''theory of man'' disease back then 2000yrs ago do you think?

ummmm


well on 2nd thoughts i guess not for this dreaded theory of some person was only recently* invented*.
was it freud?

BTW lillith, how do you even know about stuff like this - why are you personally drawn to it yourself?

OMG i am outa here its all too too much for a sunday.

[LucySmith]

opps Lillith i just caught you EXPUNGING........................ you expunger you,


how funny is that.

BTW expunging is the greatest of sins, you stand trial for it you know.

it is a hanging offense,
shot at noon offense
and worst of all a hypocrite's offense

you can join EXPUNGER'S ANON.. 12 steps to recovery

----------------- wow lucy is off to stage right.

[LucySmith]

Rev 25 .v1
Jesus had John the divine write ''All expungers are to be beheaded and their body and head buried in different parts of the cemetery so they cannot find each other and rejoin themselves to carry on the awefull sin of expunging.
v 2 -
John the divine wrote, a terrble warning to all expungers - that their spirits would go into swine at death and they would remain forever trapped in pork.
v 3-
John said ''I never bless exungers with divine qualities for they are as ''dead men walking'' like lepers, stay away from expungers at your peril and only seek fellowship with the EX-EXPUNGERS for they have been cleansed.
The ex expunger have been divinely modified so they will never commit such horendous sin against humanity again.''
amen

[Beatnik Bob]

----------------- wow lucy is off to stage right. Please share the cocaine you have stored there.


the jews seem to be upset over His preaching style and had the romans kill Him for it
I call bullshit because the statement is without merit or historical support.

[tahn1000]

not the jews, per se, but the religious leaders of the day - the saducees.

[Goldmoon]

There are a few "False Prophets" on here... Or those who twist the words of scripture.

Many are decieved, and Jesus warned of this happening in the last days, in Matthew 24.

Seek truth.

[Lillith]

There are a few "False Prophets" on here... Or those who twist the words of scripture.


.

I see the term False Prophet frequently used.

What is the gauge, marker or criteria to judge the accuracy or credibility of a true, real, authentic, genuine prophet.

Although I have made some of my own observations, Im going to leave that question open to those who might believe they are more qualified to the answer. It is afer all, your ownership, your Scripture often referred too. That scripture specifically being Biblical.

[The Word]

There are a few "False Prophets" on here... Or those who twist the words of scripture.

Many are decieved, and Jesus warned of this happening in the last days, in Matthew 24.

Seek truth.

If you thought Billy Graham was a great speaker of God's word, you are totally deceived by his lies. Every single Christian pastor, priest, chaplain, minister, teacher, preacher and evangelist are liars who have never known the true God. All they have is words in a book that they can't understand.

[The Word]

I see the term False Prophet frequently used.

What is the gauge, marker or criteria to judge the accuracy or credibility of a true, real, authentic, genuine prophet.

Although I have made some of my own observations, Im going to leave that question open to those who might feel more qualified to the answer.

It's impossible for sinners to know the difference between a false prophet and and a sinless saint who is preaching the only gospel in this world today.

If ten religious sinners preached their gospel to another sinner to get him involved in their churches, that sinner would choose the person he was most comfortable with. It wouldn't matter at all to him if he was hearing the truth or not because sinners can't understand the truth.

If ten sinless saints were preaching the gospel to a sinner, that sinner would walk away from all of them without understanding the truth that comes from the gospel. If one of those preachers were a sinner, then the sinner would choose that preacher because he would be more comfortable hearing lies instead of the truth by the saints.

[The Word]

Religious fanaticism is formed by an attachment to, identification with,
possession by, higher unconscious levels of experience, coupled with a
powerful dissociation from the primal wounding associated with the lower
unconscious.


Furthermore, when the fanatical identification falters and
these deep wounds thereby threaten to emerge, a powerful defensive rage may arise.















Such “narcissistic rage” (Kohut) is the energy that leads to the dehumanization, abuse, and even destruction of other human beings when the fanatical program is challenged.




Note, by the way, that such rage need not look “rageful” at all—the arrogance, stubbornness, and violence supported by rage can mask itself as righteous indignation, steadfast commitment to principle, and valiant leadership in a grand and dangerous endeavor.

You're nothing but a clueless sinner who's full of fear.

[The Word]

does this so called ''disease'' include religious stalking? meaning a rejected person trying to be recognised by another?
the spirit of rejection in a person, makes that person wish to bathe in the glory of another they find attractive. it happens quiet alot but not here.



i never heard of this ''affliction'' before - sounds so nasty like acholism and ciggy smoking.
I wonder whose mind made that up -probably a uni student with nothing to do i guess?

BTW - i wonder if Jesus, Paul and other bible heros would be classed as ''what is this theory of man called again''.
umm i have forgotten.

did Jesus have this ''demonic'' religiousity too?
well according to the topic at hand HE QUALIFIES for he was hated FOR HOW HE PREACHED LIFE ABUNDANT, and asked His believers to do the same
sigh

ummm maybe this topic refers to preacher men like Jim Jones or that guy David Korech that was killed burn down by authorites - oocch not nice.
i read some of david's writing once but did not feel he needed to be burnt to death for them . it is amazing what type of society would do this hey?

You don't have any idea what Jesus was preaching. You're just a lost sinner who has never known the true God.

[Lillith]

It's impossible for sinners to know the difference between a false prophet and and a sinless saint who is preaching the only gospel in this world today.

If ten religious sinners preached their gospel to another sinner to get him involved in their churches, that sinner would choose the person he was most comfortable with. It wouldn't matter at all to him if he was hearing the truth or not because sinners can't understand the truth.

If ten sinless saints were preaching the gospel to a sinner, that sinner would walk away from all of them without understanding the truth that comes from the gospel. If one of those preachers were a sinner, then the sinner would choose that preacher because he would be more comfortable hearing lies instead of the truth by the saints.

You actually display some semblence of rationality.

But, according to what you have written as your beliefs, YOU are the only sinless saint that you are "aware" of. Essentially, you have set up your own qualifier. Your exclusivity. And its the major component of your thought pattern to the exclusion of all else.

What you have created is "self-fullfilling" prophecy. Part of that prophecy is your death wish. Which is really the ONLY thing you have any control over and apparently it's your ultimate goal.

Since you are not in control of you life or for the things you do or say (so stated numerous times by you) you believe someone else is - GOD.

Now, its just that shitty mentality that causes people who are in control of their life to shun and eschew you as an outcast.

This brings you a very comforting albeit false sense of superiority and supremacy. You believe yourself graced with the "outcast, warrior badge of honor" that comes with being the ostracized, misunderstood, persecuted Christian. Due to their Fanaticism. Im not even sure that you don't use this badge of honor as a rather cunning ploy to obtain pity, apathy and the attention you so desperately seek from people because of what you lack in self esteem. Lucy Smith likes to say that any and all publicity, good or bad (even ugly) is a good thing. And roasted monkey ears could taste delicious if one is starving.

Millions of lonley, confused, disenfranchised, disenchanted people (kill) commit suicide or invoke percipitious and dangerous situations as an escape from their miserable life.

But, ain't it just amazing ..how using God as an excuse for just about anything can be so much more efficient and convenient.

Personally, I careth not what you do with your life. I suppose that your alienation from society must be very painful for you.

But to use GOD as a coat of arms for your mental condition is inexcusable. And, truly, you are not alone.

Please, get some help voluntarily. Otherwise, someone along the way will Baker Act you.

Your cup is completely empty.

[The Word]

You actually display some semblence of rationality.

But, according to what you have written as your beliefs, YOU are the only sinless saint that you are "aware" of. Essentially, you have set up your own qualifier. Your exclusivity. And its the major component of your thought pattern to the exclusion of all else.

What you have created is "self-fullfilling" prophecy. Part of that prophecy is your death wish. Which is really the ONLY thing you have any control over and apparently it's your ultimate goal.

Since you are not in control of you life or for the things you do or say (so stated numerous times by you) you believe someone else is - GOD.

Now, its just that shitty mentality that causes people who are in control of their life to shun and eschew you as an outcast.

This brings you a very comforting albeit false sense of superiority and supremacy. You believe yourself graced with the "outcast, warrior badge of honor" that comes with being the ostracized, misunderstood, persecuted Christian. Due to their Fanaticism. Im not even sure that you don't use this badge of honor as a rather cunning ploy to obtain pity, apathy and the attention you so desperately seek from people because of what you lack in self esteem. Lucy Smith likes to say that any and all publicity, good or bad (even ugly) is a good thing. And roasted monkey ears could taste delicious if one is starving.

Millions of lonley, confused, disenfranchised, disenchanted people (kill) commit suicide or invoke percipitious and dangerous situations as an escape from their miserable life.

But, ain't it just amazing ..how using God as an excuse for just about anything can be so much more efficient and convenient.

Personally, I careth not what you do with your life. I suppose that your alienation from society must be very painful for you.

But to use GOD as a coat of arms for your mental condition is inexcusable. And, truly, you are not alone.

Please, get some help voluntarily. Otherwise, someone along the way will Baker Act you.

Your cup is completely empty.

If you reread your comment here, you will see that you talked yourself out of believing the inspired messages I've written. Your corrupt DNA won't allow you to hear the truth that I speak so you'll constantly find excuses to avoid what you can't understand. That's why I used the comparison of ten sinless saints preaching the gospel and a sinner will avoid every one of them because we all speak the truth. We don't have to speak the same sentences and paragraphs because we're all different people and God can only use what we have to offer as far as vocabulary, language and the skills to go with it. Even our personalities are different so God will appear different in every one of us but we'll be speaking the same truth. We don't have to teach each other because we have the knowledge of God to think with. This is like having the mind of God and everything we speak is the truth.

God inspires our vocabulary words by arranging them according to his knowledge and then gives us these words to write or speak. This means that we don't have to think about what we're going to write in advance. All I do is type the words he gives me and I never doubt his words like I did in the beginning. It took about six months before I was convinced that every word I wrote was inspired directly by God. It's a very difficult transition to go from being a sinner without any knowledge of God to being his voice that's created as light energy. It's my created existence that will destroy this earth soon. That's why I know all about it.

[Jake99]

[QUOTE=LucySmith;425407]no!!!
we wouldn't Tahn1000 but the jews seem to be upset over His preaching style and had the romans kill Him for it QUOTE]

The JW's and Christians are very upset with my teaching style which is why they turned me over to the courts for crucifixion. Once mankind sees things as I see them there will be no more use for religions.

[New Wine]

Ya know, Jakey, in light of the stuff that has been thrown around the religion section of this forum in the last few months....well...you seem almost sane.

So, did you have your moment of fame in the courts? And did they crucify you? What was your sentence?

[The Word]

[QUOTE=LucySmith;425407]no!!!
we wouldn't Tahn1000 but the jews seem to be upset over His preaching style and had the romans kill Him for it QUOTE]

The JW's and Christians are very upset with my teaching style which is why they turned me over to the courts for crucifixion. Once mankind sees things as I see them there will be no more use for religions.

Once the power of God kills off the last flesh of man, religions and all other deceptions will be long forgotten while living in our new bodies in paradise. It looks like this end will come within the next year or so.

[The Word]

Ya know, Jakey, in light of the stuff that has been thrown around the religion section of this forum in the last few months....well...you seem almost sane.

So, did you have your moment of fame in the courts? And did they crucify you? What was your sentence?

You're very deceived to listen to a liar like Jake. In fact, you're a sinner, too, and can't speak the truth. That explains why you're willing to listen to a liar instead of the truth.

[Lillith]

You're very deceived to listen to a liar like Jake. In fact, you're a sinner, too, and can't speak the truth. That explains why you're willing to listen to a liar instead of the truth.


Brad, There seems to be something of an unresolved mystery with what you vs other prophets, saints, teacher/preachers say regarding people dying and rising from the dead, mortality, or not ever dying at all - which of course all has something to do with ... sin.

So what say you about Lazaraus rising from the dead? Do you think he did? OF course, it would require you doing a lil catch up reading about the ideas being postulated. And since you're connected and the most knowledgable of the man upstairs, maybe you could straighten everyone out?

Would you agree or disagree with whats written in the last 3 posts made by an infallable authority. Commentary on that thread would be welcome. It has 11,000 views. Therefore, it MUST be very popular and IMPORTANT.

Reference:

http://forums.armageddononline.org/lazarus-died-brought-t27714p36.html

[Jake99]

Ya know, Jakey, in light of the stuff that has been thrown around the religion section of this forum in the last few months....well...you seem almost sane.

So, did you have your moment of fame in the courts? And did they crucify you? What was your sentence?

I am the sanest person of all persons and that is a fact the courts cannot dispute because they have had me tested and abused me many times at the hands of their mental health and legal experts. I also have a stellar work history as the most efficient fortune 500 multi plant department head and plant manager in the history of high speed baking. In reality I have been on trial thousands of times in demonstration of my super star, miracle worker, wonderful counselor identity, only 50 or so were in courts of law defending my strange and unusual highly anti American way actions. My Way which is what the Bible is recomending is as far from profiteering and land ownership as you can get.

I did go to court for my trial, but twice they have postponed it upon my arrival at court, once claiming I did not show up for my arraignment which I did show up for. They for contempt of court even though I had a trial date ticket and had signed a form that you can only get or sign when arraigned. They refused to accept or even lookk into my mistaken identity argument that another James Murphy who was also in court was the one who did not show up for his arraignment and arrested, cuffed and jailed me again for 1 hour which cost me another $100 to get bonded out. The second time I appeared for trial the judge and prosecuter said they were too busy with a robbery case and rescheduled me for trial in July. I was already convicted by a judge whose highly unethical conduct in a murder investigation led him to take the fifth in regards to his unwitnessed removal of suspect Steve Nodine's guns from his house without first issuing a seach warrent that was long over-due. To make matters worse the judge turned Steves guns over to the main suspects attorney rather than the proper authorities after which it took days to get a search warrent and by then the murder weapon could have easily been tampered with. That judge convicted me of harrassment and disorderly conduct and sentenced me to 6 months in jail. I am now facing up to 1 year in one of the worst jails in the USA as a penalty for apealing the judges decision in front of a jury. I will bring no lawyer to represent me which is the most dangerous offensive/defensive strategy you can take.

Part of my argument is that the JW's are harrassing the public through illegal door to door soliciting of membership that brings money into their organization. You cannot legally sell vacuum cleaners door to door and they are selling memberships of 10% of your income, I see both as being for profit. Furthermore they are misrepresenting themselves as authorized teachers of God and Christ's ways when they have no clue as to what the Bible is recomending. If anyone other than I understood the Bible as I do they would not think, act or talk as they currently do. I say everything the JW's do other than annouce my arrival is disorderly conduct. I wont have anyone studying the Bible since once you get instructed properly you will see the Bible as a book of common sense that you can easily write on your heart rather than memorize in your mind. I seek no fame in the courts in fact my appearances have been as played down by the media as you can get.

Theoretically speaking I have been repeatedly crucified by the courts, died and rose again.

[Jake99]

You're very deceived to listen to a liar like Jake. In fact, you're a sinner, too, and can't speak the truth. That explains why you're willing to listen to a liar instead of the truth.


Word you are a delusional idiot and I am a super man with a simple plan that resolves all of mankinds problems permanently. I have dedicated my life to always telling the truth so that no one could ever justify calling me a liar.

The truth is not easy to hear because it is something none of you have ever heard. No one has ever suggested the global solutions that I propose.

[The Word]

Word you are a delusional idiot and I am a super man with a simple plan that resolves all of mankinds problems permanently. I have dedicated my life to always telling the truth so that no one could ever justify calling me a liar.

The truth is not easy to hear because it is something none of you have ever heard. No one has ever suggested the global solutions that I propose.

What you perceive as truth are lies to God. That's because you're a sinner who can't speak the truth.

[FinalFour]

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[The Word]

Brad, There seems to be something of an unresolved mystery with what you vs other prophets, saints, teacher/preachers say regarding people dying and rising from the dead, mortality, or not ever dying at all - which of course all has something to do with ... sin.

So what say you about Lazaraus rising from the dead? Do you think he did? OF course, it would require you doing a lil catch up reading about the ideas being postulated. And since you're connected and the most knowledgable of the man upstairs, maybe you could straighten everyone out?

Would you agree or disagree with whats written in the last 3 posts made by an infallable authority. Commentary on that thread would be welcome. It has 11,000 views. Therefore, it MUST be very popular and IMPORTANT.

Reference:

http://forums.armageddononline.org/lazarus-died-brought-t27714p36.html

The prophets, saints and messiah of old didn't say anything to people living today. The scriptures were easily changed by the Jews and Romans and they added many pagan ideas along with their corrupted languages. They even removed many stories and ideas that went against their Babylonian religious training. When the prophets spoke the inspired words that God was giving them, they were killed by the religious Jews.

When the messiah came to preach the gospel, which is the voice of God, the Jews rejected the gospel and had Jesus killed. All the saints who came after the death of Jesus were made sinless by God so they could preach the gospel, too. The Jews convinced the Romans that these saints would take over their empire so the Romans passed a law to prohibit the gospel from being preached. By the early fourth century, the Romans succeeded in killing the last of the saints. Then they used their leader, Constantine, to find a way to deceive the followers of the saints, who were called children of God.

These children of God were still in their sins so they weren't sinless saints who had the truth. This made it every easy for the Romans to deceive them with their Babylonian religious ideas. The saints never built church buildings because only the chosen ones would listen to the gospel. This means that each saint would only have a few children of God in church listening to them until one of them becomes sinless saint. Then God would use this new saint to go preach the gospel somewhere so it was senseless for us saints to build a pagan churches like the Romans did.

The Romans had many pagan churches where they worshiped their own ideas like the Babylonians, Persians and Greeks had done before them. They converted some of these churches into the Roman Catholic church and this is where they had their new Christians (children of God) go to began deceiving them from the truth of God. The biggest deception was their new testament that they made from some writings of the saints they killed. They confiscated as many writings as they could from the saints while they were arresting them to make sure their children of God wouldn't read them. After deleting any evidence of the true gospel in these writings, they added their pagan ideas in them before producing their new testament that was designed to totally confuse their Christians, the former children of God.

This falsified new testament has kept every single Christian from knowing the true God so they practice pagan worshiping instead. This only means they can't understand spiritual truth so they study everything but the truth. The truth is God and he's invisible so without being a chosen one who becomes a sinless saint, a sinner will not receive the truth, which is necessary for God to reveal his knowledge, which is the truth. The truth is needed to interpret the prophecies so this excludes all Christians and all the rest of the sinners on earth.

You asked about Lazarus being brought back from the dead. This wouldn't be necessary unless God was using this miracle to get his disciples, or children of God, to trust him. God used several miracles and healings with me but no one around me recognized them as miracles. Only us chosen ones can understand these healings and miracles are for us. If an unchosen sinner sees a miracle or healing, he won't believe it because he's blind to the truth.

However, I do believe that God can make a dead person come back to life if it hasn't been more than an hour or less before his body is incapable of being used again. There have been many people who have officially died and God giving them life thoughts again to get their bodies functioning but this is only for deception purposes like religions are. Not one religion has been used by God to reveal his knowledge but he did use Judaism and Christianity to carry the prophecies from one prophet to the next prophet or saint.

Christianity was used to carry the prophecies to one saint and that happens to be me. God got me involved in Christianity in 1984 and forced me to read the Bible for two years. By 1993, he forced me out of Christianity to get me into condition as a sinless saint on June 14, 2008. It was through his knowledge that he revealed to me while he had me write inspired words is where I learned about this religious deception by the Romans who had killed all the saints. So I went from knowing nothing on the 14th, to writing about this persecution of the saints two days later in a seven page document that God dictated to me. He only dictated the first three documents until I made the transition to be his voice, or gospel.

I'm the only saint to exist since the last saints were killed the early fourth century and the gospel I preach, is not understood by Christians or anyone else. The whole world is speaking lies to each other so the truth is rejected. The best thing for you to do, is to spend time with your family and friends because as this earth starts changing, you will never see them again. I'll be preaching the gospel to Christians after moving to San Jose, CA. Shortly after one of them kills me, the earth will start shaking violently and then it's too late for you to do any visiting. You will be trying desparately to save your life but God will save your life and everyone else's during this destruction. Only our bodies perish, not our life in God.

[FinalFour]

However, I do believe that God can make a dead person come back to life if it hasn't been more than an hour or less before his body is incapable of being used again.

God and the Aquatic Rescue Team.

ROAR! I'm sorry... that just tickled me. Please carry on.

[The Word]

God and the Aquatic Rescue Team.

ROAR! I'm sorry... that just tickled me. Please carry on.

Here's why I believe that God can perform miracles or whatever he planned to do.


Besides getting me sober and stopping me from smoking three packs of cigarettes a day, the very first miracle that God asked me to pray for was in 1989. My family and I had planned on moving back to North Dakota from San Jose, CA in a couple weeks so I got them interested in going on a drive to Carmel and Monterrey, which was a Sunday. I had a 1982 Toyota Tercel that had been a great car with very few problems in the past. Once we drove around Carmel for a while and came to the junction where an old Spanish church was, I decided to go on a drive south from there. We took a quick peek at the map and it showed a long winding road through valleys between two mountain ranges. Greenfield was south and east from Carmel towards central California.


The first few miles we saw ranches on both sides of the road with huge houses on them. After that, it was a barren drive with no traffic and just a few ranches tucked up in the trees at the base of the mountains. It reminded me of driving in central North Dakota where you can drive for an hour and not meet any cars. Everything was going great when all of a sudden the car started vibrating badly. I suspected the left half shaft right away because a year earlier, I had to replace the other shaft after it broke and put a hole in my oil pan. I did the work on replacing it because I had a lot of farming experience. I knew how to repair universal joints and learned that once they start spitting out bearings, they need to be replaced immediately or you can have serious problems with other parts of the machine.


I pulled over to check it out. I grabbed the shaft and pulled on it and bearings came out. It was wobbling so I knew we were stuck there. I wasn't about to drive and end up with a shaft going through the block of the car engine which I learned can happen. I got back into the car and told my wife and kids we had to walk to get help. Our boys were 4 and 5 years old and it wasn't too long ago that we had to carry them all the way across San Franscisco because they were too tired to walk. They didn't like their strollers anymore so we expected them to walk with us. That was the worst day I ever had with them because they were quite heavy at this age. My wife and I had to carry them back to the Bart station from the popular tourist area where the piers were.


With this in mind, we declined on that walking together idea so I told her I would walk and they could stay in the car. The look of fear came to her face and said she wasn't going to be left alone in the middle of nowhere. She thought a stranger might mess with her and the kids while I was gone. We had no way out except to wait for a ride that we hadn't seen since we left Carmel.


All of a sudden, I got this strong desire to ask God to fix the half shaft. This was given to me because I never would have thought God would fix cars. I remember Jesus healing people but not fixing anything. I turned to my boys and wife and told them we were going to pray to God for him to fix the half shaft so we could go home. After I prayed to him, I started up the car and drove off. It was vibrating badly just like it was when I stopped. But I got this overwhelming confidence that it was fixed so I kept driving and within a mile or so, I noticed the vibrating was easing up. The more I drove the better it got and by the time we got to Greenfield, I had forgotten about it. We had a long trip back to San Jose but since it wasn't vibrating anymore, we went home without dealing with it. I had this confidence that everything was okay.


It was working so good by the time we got back to San Jose, that I didin't bother to look underneath the car to see how God fixed it. I never did check it out and we drove that car back to North Dakota and I used it in the ranching business that her father and I partnershipped in. I welded a hitch on this car and used it to haul machinery and loads of fertilizer and other things behind it. The business didn't work out very well so we moved back to San Jose where I had my old job waiting for me. I drove that car back and forth to work for another year and a half before giving it to my oldest son who had just turned 16. We had put over 60, 000 miles on that half shaft God repaired before I gave it to my son. He knew about this miracle but most people don't believe, even if your wife and children witness it. My son drove this car for another year and a half when he finally called me up to tell me he was having the brakes overhauled for $600. Then he told me the mechanic wanted him to replace the left half shaft that God fixed. There was no rubber boot left and it was totally dry of grease and wobbling. I told my son to drive away from that mechanic, then buy a set of front brake pads for $25 and put them in himself. Then I told him God already fixed the half shaft so he doesn't have to worry about it.


A few days later, he called me up and said he borrowed $1,000 from his grandfather to pay for the brake job and replace the half shaft. The car wasn't even worth $1,000 but it was too late to say anything else to him. Kids just don't have faith these days, do they?

[Freddy]

Word you are a delusional idiot and I am a super man with a simple plan that resolves all of mankinds problems permanently. I have dedicated my life to always telling the truth so that no one could ever justify calling me a liar.

The truth is not easy to hear because it is something none of you have ever heard. No one has ever suggested the global solutions that I propose.
Is it not wonderful that we have two messengers of God arguing about who has the truth? They cannot both be right and I would bet money neither of them are!

[Zer0th]

Is it not wonderful that we have two messengers of God arguing about who has the truth? They cannot both be right and I would bet money neither of them are!
Money? I'll bet my life.

[TC]

If you thought Billy Graham was a great speaker of God's word, you are totally deceived by his lies. Every single Christian pastor, priest, chaplain, minister, teacher, preacher and evangelist are liars who have never known the true God. All they have is words in a book that they can't understand.

Then by your own words, every person throughout history who has been moved to preach the gospel is a liar. Surly that statement must seem absurd even to you, seeing as you weren't around for the majority of those peoples life times., and have no valid means by with to judge their actions.

This is where you loose credibility Word by making remarks that you have no knowledge of, and you cant write this off with "God has shown me" or "I don't have to answer to sinners"...

You post here, so you are responsible for what you write, likewise to prove your statements as being truthful. Simply saying God told you doesn't cut on a public web page. And saying you don't care what people think is also false, seeing as you use the words moron or idiot when you become irritated, this shows you do indeed care.

[The Word]

Then by your own words, every person throughout history who has been moved to preach the gospel is a liar. Surly that statement must seem absurd even to you, seeing as you weren't around for the majority of those peoples life times., and have no valid means by with to judge their actions.

This is where you loose credibility Word by making remarks that you have no knowledge of, and you cant write this off with "God has shown me" or "I don't have to answer to sinners"...

You post here, so you are responsible for what you write, likewise to prove your statements as being truthful. Simply saying God told you doesn't cut on a public web page. And saying you don't care what people think is also false, seeing as you use the words moron or idiot when you become irritated, this shows you do indeed care.

Not one Christian has ever preached the true gospel, which is the voice of God.

I don't care at all what people think because the truth is going to have them all killed soon. My sons, mother, wife and her daughters all know that the last day is coming when everyone will be killed. I've told them that I have to be killed first and then the end will come.

God never gets irritated and uses words like moron, idiot or scum. These are only words to get a sinner angry because I have to be killed by a Christian at the exact moment that God planned. I haven't been given the date that I'll be killed or the date of the last day when the earth begins to shake violently. This means that I'll be preaching the gospel to Christians wherever I find them until that day comes when one of them will get angry enough to put a bullet into my forehead. This will fulfill the prophecy in Revelation 6:9-11.

[The Word]

Money? I'll bet my life.

Only fools bet when they don't understand the consequences.

[Zer0th]

Only fools bet when they don't understand the consequences.
Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something.

I say this:

[The Word]

Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something.

I say this:

Wisemen know that fools can't hear the truth they speak.

[Jake99]

Is it not wonderful that we have two messengers of God arguing about who has the truth? They cannot both be right and I would bet money neither of them are!

I would and have bet my life on my identity as the Messiah many times and soon your leaders will be backed into a corner in court where they cannot escape. I plan on making the worlds money worthless, very soon.

[Jake99]

If you thought Billy Graham was a great speaker of God's word, you are totally deceived by his lies. Every single Christian pastor, priest, chaplain, minister, teacher, preacher and evangelist are liars who have never known the true God. All they have is words in a book that they can't understand.

The problem is that the same thing applies to you. I never hear you preach about no lines on maps or dividing of land and that is a cornerstone along with no moneychangers, sellers or people who say they understand the Bible but are not proven to be the Christ. That book is so far over the heads of mankind that the classification of deaf, dumb and blind applies to everyone except me.

[LucySmith]

it was interesting to read about the JW's and door to door salesmen.

yes, they are the money changers, but i guess the people who give 10% to JW's are fleecers themselves, as the principle seems to be '' sowing to reap''.

what i do find interesting is the lying church system reaps billions each yr. but the truth gets nothing.
so, the only conclusion is the church is run by liars and people love them and are liars too otherwise they would ''see'' thru such frauds.