To all you Bush/Cheney supporters...

[C-Style]

I'm an independent. (thought I'd preface my comments)

I'm posting this now, so you can remember it later.

I'll be voting for John Kerry, but I believe Bush will win.

Come back and reply to this post in 2006, and if America isn't in deep shit...well, you'll see, because we will be.

Sure...call me crazy, and whatever, but you'll see. And everything you thought that Bush was good for, and the reason's you supported him, will cease to exist, but it will be too late.

And if you still don't see it by then, then you really are ignorant.

Stop the criminals...

[DarkAce]

Either way America will still be in shit.

[CODEMUTE]

Man has been born to destroy himself. Want to know more about mans future? get to know his past.

[Moishe3rd]

I'm an independent. (thought I'd preface my comments)

I'm posting this now, so you can remember it later.

I'll be voting for John Kerry, but I believe Bush will win.

Come back and reply to this post in 2006, and if America isn't in deep shit...well, you'll see, because we will be.

Sure...call me crazy, and whatever, but you'll see. And everything you thought that Bush was good for, and the reason's you supported him, will cease to exist, but it will be too late.

And if you still don't see it by then, then you really are ignorant.

Stop the criminals...

I don't understand your post.
"Everything you thought that Bush was good for, and the reasons you supported him, will cease to exist, but it will be too late."

It's a convoluted sentence, but are you trying to say that Islamic fascists will no longer be murdering people by 2006?
If so, then why is it "too late?"

[C-Style]

Islamic fascists will be a part of the problem..but not the main part.

The main part will actually lie in what you think is in the solution, but it will be too late when you realize it.

[humanhybrid]

well heck! It must be said, that there is style. And in the begining it was C bUT PLEASE ! cARRY ON! good day

[Doomer]

If America had been a nation of thinking people, George Bush would never have been elected. How funny is it that the state with the greatest number of senile old farts put hime in office ?

I agree, if he is reelected, it's the beginning of the end of America. Even if he's not, ot's still the beginning of the end because no decent American is willig to take the job.

Those who vot in November will have to choose one evil over another. The end times are here. :(

[VegasRonin]

Those who vot in November will have to choose one evil over another. The end times are here. :( I'm in total agreement with that statement. How we ever ended up in this predicament is beyond me? We are now regulated to the same choices a lemming has. No matter who we're following, we're going to go off the cliff anyway. :nono:

[Rage_Garden]

And with the controversy and both sides you would think people would say screw them both and vote for a good canidate. Its about who has less flaws then the other even if they are both sucky.

[C-Style]

It is sad. Money rules our gov't, and the money is with the bad guys. What recourse do we have?

[Marajadex]

Maybe the answer is that politicians should only be paid the minimum wage. Therefor only those who truly want to serve would would seek office. Just as we provide housing for our military service men and families we would provide basic accommodations for our politicians. Basically I would say that they would have the same conditions as being an enlisted person. Take the riches and prestige out of the position and truly make them servants of the public. Then maybe we would not have to be voting for the lesser of 2 evils.

[C-Style]

But let's be real. That will never happen. And meanwhile, everything the New World Order wants, is happening. And whether Bush or Kerry win, we're fucked.

So we need a real plan of action. Let's hope that some of the honest congressmen(if there's any left) stand up for us.




http://www.infowars.com/print/Secret_societies/american_dictator.htm

Watch that quick vid.

[mickydoolittle]

But let's be real. . . .whether Bush or Kerry win, we're fucked.

What events cause you to think this is the case? Why do you think that it's a lose-lose situation?

[C-Style]

I've just been doing a lot of research since '99...and I saw it all coming. I didn't predict 9/11 or anything, but I knew a series of events would take place dramatically changing the world. And Bush only needs re-SELECTION to put the rest of his America destroying policies.

And while Kerry sort-of speaks against Bush. He's not that much different. Sure, he'd tweak some of the tax policies and what not, but overall, what's the difference?

Corporations will continue to trample our rights, and FBI and CIA will continue to "bumble" while just presenting enough to make us think they are doing a good job.

Remember this quote, I'm sure you've heard it, since they all say it.

"We have to be right 100% of the time, they only have to be right once."

Well, "they" already got one. What's the next one? 2005.

Just watch.

Whoever is President (and it will be Bush I assume) next will preside over the next "attack" and respond with great fury to Iran. The arms dealers will make another, even more massive killing (pun intended), and our economy will sink like the Titanic.

Look at gas prices, look at how Americans are living now. The separation is clear, but not complete. In the next 4 years, we will be begging for half the shit we used to easily get, and they will give it to us, if we just give a few things: like our rights.

Bush, Clinton, Bush, Bush/Kerry....doesn't matter. They are all doing it.

I predict the second Bush term will mimic the first.

A terrorist attack in the first year.
Then a war, with nothing held back.
I also believe that Bush will be a lot more transparent in the second term, not worry about his re-election anymore, and with plenty time to finish the job and hand off the US to Jeb.

And with Skull and Bones Kerry and Bilderberger Edwards on the other side...freedom is toast.

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GOV. GEORGE W. BUSH (R-TX), PRESIDENT-ELECT: "I told all four that there were going to be some times where we don't agree with each other. But that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."

Aired December 18, 2000 - 12:00 p.m. ET on CNN

[VegasRonin]

Yeah Micky, I'm a Patriot just as you are but I'm a Patriot of and for the people. We have to be blind not to see the writing on the wall. The machine is so massive at this juncture and has built up too much momentum to be stopped or reversed. Its not even so much as to who is in power in our Govt, but its rather all Corporate controlled. I read a book a while back where Countries really didn't have armies to speak of but rather the corporations had many privatized armies, and they controlled the world. I think its a pretty prophetic book at this point and time. Even if there was some sort of revolt in the U.S. , whether peaceful or otherwise, the vacuum left by the revolt would leave the corporations in power, and without a wall between them and us. The only recourse for the time being is to be part of the machine, for preservation of self and family.

[mickydoolittle]

And Bush only needs re-SELECTION to put the rest of his America destroying policies..
And what policies are these that you believe will destroy or continue to destroy AMERICA? Change can be a good thing--it's what is changed that is important and there is nothing wrong with progress.


And while Kerry sort-of speaks against Bush. He's not that much different. Sure, he'd tweak some of the tax policies and what not, but overall, what's the difference?.
The difference is that Kerry will be a total pussy concerning the war that is intended to eradicate terror-creating factions/movements.


Corporations will continue to trample our rights, and FBI and CIA will continue to "bumble" while just presenting enough to make us think they are doing a good job..
Actually, they are doing a much better job than the AMERICAn public is led to believe. It's all about seeing through the propaganda rather than being misled by it. Corporations are only operating as they are able to under the letter of the laws at the moment. This is the primary function of capitalism. If you disagree with this system, I hear that China and Korea have a wonderful utopia.


"We have to be right 100% of the time, they only have to be right once."

Well, "they" already got one. What's the next one? 2005.

Just watch..
This outlook is a bit bittersweet in it's fulfillment. While one may be proved correct that something will happen, it is usually horrible when that something does occur. Where's the satisfaction in this outlook? "SEE?!?! I told you so!", accomplishes little


Whoever is President (and it will be Bush I assume) next will preside over the next "attack" and respond with great fury to Iran. The arms dealers will make another, even more massive killing (pun intended), and our economy will sink like the Titanic. I predict the second Bush term will mimic the first.

A terrorist attack in the first year.
Then a war, with nothing held back.
I also believe that Bush will be a lot more transparent in the second term, not worry about his re-election anymore, and with plenty time to finish the job and hand off the us to Jeb.
I disagree. I am concerned that you think the leaders of AMERICA would allow another major event to occur on AMERICAn soil. You forget that Hillary will be running in '08--the ppl think she is the best thing since birth control and gov't grown weed. Seriously, Jeb won't get the office. Things are always running in a cycle.


Look at gas prices, look at how Americans are living now. The separation is clear, but not complete. In the next 4 years, we will be begging for half the shit we used to easily get, and they will give it to us, if we just give a few things: like our rights..
Gas prices? Living standards? Hello, you're posting on the internet, so life can't be too bad and gas prices can't be too expensive. As for our rights being given up, no--we aren't giving anything, we are allowing them to be taken. It's not so much political affiliation that is responsible for the removal of previous freedoms. That would be more in line with the NWO that prez is so fond of posting about. Begging? Come on. . .

[C-Style]

Oh my Micky...you have been watching Fox News? j/k

I don't think John Kerry would hold back on any wars...as a matter of fact, I believe Bush and Kerry are more similar than different.

I've been thinking about it, and it doesn't matter...George or John, Jeb or Hillary, they are all doing the same thing.

And now here is where we'll depart: I do believe that the gov't will let an attack happen (if they don't outright perpetrate it themselves) to continue to do more Patriot Acts.

How long was the Patriot Act? When was it signed? How long after 9/11? Is it possible to draw up such a document of that size in the given time?

You go find the answers to those questions yourself, and come back and tell me what you think.

I'd answer them, but I don't want you to think I'm biased, so find out, and let me know what you think.

[C-Style]

Gas prices? Living standards? Hello, you're posting on the internet, so life can't be too bad and gas prices can't be too expensive. As for our rights being given up, no--we aren't giving anything, we are allowing them to be taken. It's not so much political affiliation that is responsible for the removal of previous freedoms. That would be more in line with the NWO that prez is so fond of posting about. Begging? Come on. . .


And as for this part of your post, just because I am doing alright now, doesn't mean everyone else is. And, apparently unlike you, I care about more than just myself.

And you are right, political affiliation has nothing to do with it. As far as I'm concerned, there is only one political party, and they have created two factions to create a mock struggle, so as to seemingly nullify the need for another opposition party.

[C-Style]

AND another thing...what do you think of Bush taking down all the regulations and allowing everything we see and hear and buy to be controlled by a handful of insanely massive corporations?

Do you enjoy this and support it? The media is disgusting...and Bush has been busy lifting all the barriers?

Because I think there should be regulation, you're calling me a communist?

[lotrfan55345]

Look at gas prices, look at how Americans are living now. The separation is clear, but not complete. In the next 4 years, we will be begging for half the shit we used to easily get, and they will give it to us, if we just give a few things: like our rights.



Gas prices? Living standards? Hello, you're posting on the internet, so life can't be too bad and gas prices can't be too expensive. As for our rights being given up, no--we aren't giving anything, we are allowing them to be taken. It's not so much political affiliation that is responsible for the removal of previous freedoms. That would be more in line with the NWO that prez is so fond of posting about. Begging? Come on. . .

You know, on BBC, Matt Simmons, Dubya's energy advisor, said that oil should be rightfully priced at $180/barrel...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3777413.stm


"Oil is far too cheap at the moment," says Mr Simmons. "The figure I'd use is around $182 a barrel.

[C-Style]

We're being conditioned to accept higher gas prices.

Like this:

$1.70, 2.00, 1.80, 2.10, 1.90, 2.20...etc.

They raise, then they lower it, but not as low as before, and we're just happy it dropped...they do it over and over, and the next thing you know, we're dropping a hundred bucks a week on gas.

[substand]

they do it over and over, and the next thing you know, we're dropping a hundred bucks a week on gas.

walk or stop bitching, hippy.

[Emerald_Dragon]

ahem...i walk to work everyday, yet I still complain about gas prices.

Do I have to have a car, in order to receive proper consideration when showing concern about the cost of driving?

[C-Style]

walk or stop bitching, hippy.

Go to China, commie.

[Marajadex]

Hey... Substand is NO Commie!
He IS a very intelligent person. :grind:

[lotrfan55345]

Go to China, commie.

0_o, you should call Matt Simmons a "commie".

[substand]

ahem...i walk to work everyday, yet I still complain about gas prices.

Do I have to have a car, in order to receive proper consideration when showing concern about the cost of driving?

No, you dont have to, no more than I need to be a veteran to "support" a particular war (or the notion thereof). I suppose I'm just tiring (edit: tonight) of the posts that seem like "complaining for the sake of complaining" ... Gas prices are rising, and they will lower and rise, etc... But to me, this is a simple supply and demand problem. We have limited supply due to economic, geographical, historical-biological, political, and other reasons. We have bigger demand because of economic, political, and other reasons. I suppose i'd rather hear a discussion of those reasons rather than a vague conspiratorial sounding theory of "we are being conditioned," like every oil company gets together with each other, and hell, maybe Bush/Cheney tells them to, and sets prices accordingly. All the evils of the world work hand in hand solely to make sure that American's pay higher gas prices. Hence, either walk and lessen the supply, or pay what the economics demand. I guess I left out "or discuss the reasons and possible solutions to the problem."


Go to China, commie.

bwahahah ... I am finally called my absolute most hated of all political philosophies- I must be all over the map!


Hey... Substand is NO Commie!
He IS a very intelligent person.

Thanks for the defense mara! However, I would venture to say that at least some some commies are intelligent- mostly those filling the leadership positions (and those lefty pawns who make up the edumacated elite who tell us regular people that communism is a good thing for us)... only those fools who beleive the rulers or elites who advocate such a system might possibly be described as unintelligent... i might simply say misled. Thanks for the defense however, and try to ignore my rambling rambling rambling.

[Marajadex]

Thanks for the defense mara!No Problem!
I got your back! :devsmoke:

We may not always agree but I respect you and your opinions.

[VegasRonin]

Go to China, commie. That one made me laugh too Subs. Obviously this person hasn't followed your posts. :nudge:

[mickydoolittle]

Oh my Micky...you have been watching Fox News? j/k
:2fu:

I don't think John Kerry would hold back on any wars...as a matter of fact, I believe Bush and Kerry are more similar than different.
Oh, yeah…look at his public opinion on everything under the sun for the last 30 yrs—do you understand now, why ppl consider him to be the veritable flip-flop?


I've been thinking about it, and it doesn't matter...George or John, Jeb or Hillary, they are all doing the same thing.
Yes—they are indeed all doing the same thing: they are not sitting in front of a computer having a petty pissing match with an admitted arrogant blowhard and instead, they are trying to represent (read as: run) the country the best way they think is possible.


And now here is where we'll depart: I do believe that the gov't will let an attack happen (if they don't outright perpetrate it themselves) to continue to do more Patriot Acts.
You probably believe that Roosevelt and his administration allowed the attack on Pearl Harbor to happen as well… :ohmy:


How long was the Patriot Act? When was it signed? How long after 9/11? Is it possible to draw up such a document of that size in the given time?
If you had a clue, you’d know that you’re barking up the wrong tree on this item with micky. But for shits & giggles; lets review, shall we?

A)PA contains approximately 342 pages of text.
B)It was signed 10-26-01
C)About a month and a half after 9/11.
D)Yes, it is possible to draw up such a document in that time as the gov’t is filled with people who actually paid attn in school rather than wasting their time.
E)Many of the conditions were already on the table from the Clinton administration, but were sidetracked by his receiving BJ’s in the anteroom to the Oval Office
Fu)BTW, you asking these questions is ridiculous. That you believe you are accomplishing something by including these questions in your response is preposterous.

Remember: It's not the fault of the AMERICAn gov't that you may be unable to comprehend that there are people who have the intelligence and the endowment to develop a document as well thought out as the PA and have it be finalized in the length of time it was. Oh wait—it might be, as most typically blame the AMERICAn gov’t for the alleged lackadaisical AMERICAn educational system.

Although the AMERICAn ppl refused to stand up and ask for a re-write, the PA is long overdue. Alas, this is a result of shady lawyers and courts (9th circuit = assholes) that have twisted the law and perverted the original intent; but then again, that is why we have the constitution….which we still have. Duh……

So whine all you want….you’re still on the net, you still have enough monetary exchange to pay for the tools and services that allow you to be on the net, and as far as I can see, there is no Gestapo-like force preventing any HONEST AMERICAn from enjoying their everyday lives or posting as they desire on the net.


You go find the answers to those questions yourself, and come back and tell me what you think.
See above.


I'd answer them, but I don't want you to think I'm biased, so find out, and let me know what you think.
Yeah, it’s great you ask others to do what you won't…well, that is AMERICA for you… :ohmy: Oh, and don’t worry about anyone thinking you're biased, as it clearly comes across dripping as such.

And yes DN—this is directed at all HONEST AMERICAns, regardless of who was where first….


...just because I am doing alright now, doesn't mean everyone else is. And, apparently unlike you, I care about more than just myself.
Well, now you're an expert on micky and outlook of said person? If one is unhappy with one's present situation, one is advised to get out from in front of one's computer screen (should one be in front of a screen at the moment) and do something about one's present situation--oh, wait, that might be too much like politics. But then again, Kerry would want ppl to think he is out to help others.


And you are right, political affiliation has nothing to do with it. As far as I'm concerned, there is only one political party, and they have created two factions to create a mock struggle, so as to seemingly nullify the need for another opposition party.
uhhhm, yeah....that was sarcasm.


Because I think there should be regulation, you're calling me a communist?


Go to China, commie.

Apparently you're confused and I'd really like to see where in any of my posts did I reference you as being communist?

This is AMERICA, land of the free, if there are ppl who either do not want to enjoy those freedoms or do not want other's to enjoy that which they do not have the desire to achieve, is not my problem--it should not be made the problem of anyone else either. I stand by each and every word of my posts. If you feel attacked or on the spot, it's all in your head.

The notions you are hinting at as well as posting outright, are not of the free AMERICA many of us still enjoy and find readily available.

AMERICA. . .It's indeed a level playing field. Sometimes some of us don't always have the best mitt or the best bat, but we all have the ability to step up to the plate and try to hit the ball as many times as we want. Don't hate those that have suceeded and attained the power and luxury of which you may be apparently jealous.

A final note: in AMERICA, we don't like to hand you anything. We expect you to earn your way. Unfortunately, there are now many who believe that we should hand out whatever anyone wants whenever anyone wants it. This is the AMERICA that is really getting screwed; sadly the generation being handed everything, will end up losing everything as they refuse to work to preserve and maintain that which is important as they have not worked to achieve anything that is truly worthy.

damn kids today. . .you better drive a car to feel entitled to bitch about the rising costs of gas prices....

[C-Style]

We'll see.

[Defiant Noquisi]

I'm in total agreement with that statement. How we ever ended up in this predicament is beyond me? We are now regulated to the same choices a lemming has. No matter who we're following, we're going to go off the cliff anyway. :nono: Were already over the cliff as long as that urban legend wont cease to exist (and I really did believe it was true, damn Disney). The "legend" that lemmings commit mass suicide reminds me of the current condition of politics; life based on legends and storytelling.