Perceived lunacy in the M.E.

[mickydoolittle]

removed for numerous reasons, number one being that MD "is not wanted around here".

[VegasRonin]

But its their culture and society Micky. We have no right to judge them. We should just let them be, after all, I'm sure the Left will say its because of America's interference over there that have somehow created their mindset. Let them rape and kill their women. Our Western Values are obviously tyrannical and evil. :nono:

[DontBeAfraid]

VR we didnt go to the ME to stop the threat they pose to themselves( thats the correct reason to go by the way, and the reason we need to set a few other countries straight, thats the left reason).... We went there to protect our governments interests which is why we more than likely wont be helping any of these people who happened to be born into bad circumstances. Thats the "right" reason.....

[VegasRonin]

'Tis true but selling mass amounts of Coke Cola and opening up a bunch of McDees seems to have a calming affect upon a populace. :devsmoke:

[substand]

MD- those links sound a lot like the story i read a few months ago where a sister was executed because her 2 brothers DP'd her...


VR we didnt go to the ME to stop the threat they pose to themselves( thats the correct reason to go by the way, and the reason we need to set a few other countries straight, thats the left reason).... We went there to protect our governments interests which is why we more than likely wont be helping any of these people who happened to be born into bad circumstances. Thats the "right" reason.....

its probably a bit of both... but if one results in the other, why bitch about it? I'm not talking about "accidentally" killing someone and getting "manslaughter" vs. "plotting to kill someone" and getting "murder 1," I'm talking soley about killing some people accidentally and some people purposefully in the FP arena that result in goods for both sides, and not to mention that we would have the same effects if we had done it for solely one reason or the other. Again, why bitch when thy will is done with the same effects occuring even if it was done not for your will alone?

[DontBeAfraid]

A means to an end is great Subs..... But you dont want the means to taint the 'end' too much or you become nazi germani and the modern world refuses to use the valuable research data you gathered because of the cruelty that went into its production.

[Defiant Noquisi]

Subs, what do you mean by "DP'd her"? Here DP means "displaced person".

Tyrranical or not, religion or not, women have just as much right to life as anyone else. I wouldnt mind taking a crack at misogynistic bastards like that. :btchn:

[Donsun]

We often attack things and people we don't understand. They probably can't understand why we throw people in jail for using drugs. :Bott:

[LC Jeffries]

I think I mentioned this before. Women are nothing over in those countries. They are meier property meant to be used at a man's will. Women are stoned or beheaded daily over in Saudi for just looking at another man.

One day my husband who was working over in Saudi saw a woman in the back of a truck, while a goat was riding in the seat next to her husband.

All though I think she actually was better off. Many Saudi men don't wash very much and they have a strong odor. :uh:

She was proboly enjoying what fresh air there was. :drool:

[Moishe3rd]

Well…..this just rips it.:livid:

The no-good cowardly pieces of shit, have killed the Nepalese hostages.

When will the rest of the world realize that it is far better for all involved in the long run to just eradicate these assholes? A few nukes there....A few more nukes there. . .just kill the vile assholes and be done with it.

Christ almighty.....how much support do they expect to gather for their cause by slaughtering captive hostages while hiding behind masks…this is no different from what butchers do to livestock in an abattoir.

These ppl (YES THAT’S RIGHT--THESE WORTHLESS PIECES OF SHIT ARE INDEED DIFFERENT FROM THE REST OF THE PPL ON MY PLANET) offer no value to my planet and as such they should be hunted down--GHENGIS KAHN STYLE.

Like I really fuq'n care if my posted proposed method is no better than their current actions.

Hell, I intend for my proposal to be worse as it should send the message that they should cease their collective cowardice; otherwise they will be tortured more severly than the innocent hostages were tortured.

Kill them all and let their alleged god sort them out---cowardly pieces of shit. :mad: This is not an enemy to be respected--this is a damn virus that should be hunted down and eradicated in much the same fashion as smallpox was in the general population.

Fuq’n religion. :nono:

You know, you shouldn't hold it in. Why don't you tell us how you really feel...

I have concluded that the problem is not the Islamic Fascist Death Cult Murderers.
The problem is with the rest of humanity who want to appease these mofos.
(See Rudi Giuliani's speech at the RNC)
It is the considered opinion of many that it is not the murdering barbarian's fault, it is the fault of the United States of America. Or Haliburton. Or Israel. He Lied to US!!!! It's his fault!

Take the UN; Michael Moore; Yassar Arafat; France and any Muslim with anything to lose, and send them over to Pakistan or Iran or Syria to preach love and understanding and democracy and gay rights and ecology and crap.....

Then, heads would roll....

[humanhybrid]

Take the UN; Michael Moore; Yassar Arafat; France and any Muslim with anything to lose, and send them over to Pakistan or Iran or Syria to preach love and understanding and democracy and gay rights and ecology and crap.....

Then, heads would roll... I'm confused why take the UN; Michael Moore; Muslim; Arafat etc. What would they prove other than cooperating civilly as a world community. I feel as though mickydoolittle has forgotten alot about who the aggressors are and has a heart filled with hate. And what does sexual preference have to do with anything other than for a born againer who is homophobic. good day!

[substand]

A means to an end is great Subs..... But you dont want the means to taint the 'end' too much

You are right DBA... My position though is to try and keep the means as pure as possible, or at least as pure-looking as possible, which is why I got so upset with our nudie pics of POWs. Preferably the purer the better, but I think it was one of those "collisions" where our interests meets our "lofty ideals" so that on the one hand, we wanted Iraqis to be free, but on the other hand, yes it helps us in ways as well.

[substand]

When will the rest of the world realize that it is far better for all involved in the long run to just eradicate these assholes? A few nukes there....A few more nukes there. . .just kill the vile assholes and be done with it.

I would like to eradicate "just" these assholes... not all muslims are assholes, thus turning the middle east into glass is not just. Of course, from your post it doesn't seem like you just want justice, but that it would eradicate our problem and we should do so, or something along those lines it seems. But doing so, IMO, would create far more problems than it would solve, no matter how attractive it seems.

[humanhybrid]

I would like to eradicate "just" these assholes... not all muslims are assholes, thus turning the middle east into glass is not just. Of course, from your post it doesn't seem like you just want justice, but that it would eradicate our problem and we should do so, or something along those lines it seems. But doing so, IMO, would create far more problems than it would solve, no matter how attractive it seems. Morbid attractivenes is what you mean, isnt it?

[Defiant Noquisi]

Hmm, I read MD's post similar to the way subs did. In fact, I think its time for a new nuclear war term. SELECTIVE LEVELING

[LC Jeffries]

After what happened today, I'm really beginning to believe that we need to round up all moslems who support Al Kaida, put them in a cage, throw away the key then have an oops with one of the MOAB (The Mother of all Bombs.) :grind: :birthdayg :guill:

I'm so disgusted by what happened to those babys both in Isreal and Russia.

[Defiant Noquisi]

Im disgusted too LC. The problem is that I am equally disgusted by sponsored terrorism coming from this country that has similar and even worse results which also includes people who act as if its acceptable.

I dont think that the babies and children of Latin America and/or the M.E. are worth any more or less than those of Israel and Russia. In regards to Latin countries, the US has sponsored (directly and indirectly) the slaughter there from the Nixon administration on which includes your beloved "president with values" GWB. If allowing (and funding) the terrorism and murder of people, which includes CHILDREN is somehow OK, thats disgusting.

Thats pretty sick that people can place a more or less value on people, especially children just because of where they come from.

Loves others as you would the Lord? Do unto others as you would have done unto you? Thou shall not kill? Thanks for giving me additional proof that christians are hypocrites.

[DarkAce]

Well it's fairly obvious than, we need to nuke everyone.
Problem solved.

[Defiant Noquisi]

Well it's fairly obvious than, we need to nuke everyone.
Problem solved. Great! Then we can start by nuking everyone who believes its a viable solution. You and LC can be first. :dork:

[DarkAce]

I'm sure you'd be ticked off in collateral damage :)

[LC Jeffries]

Loves others as you would the Lord? Do unto others as you would have done unto you? Thou shall not kill? Thanks for giving me additional proof that christians are hypocrites.


I can tell by your post that you don't believe Christians are allowed to be angry. I hate all forms of evil as does God. To me your, sounding like your defending the terrorist and the evil here. We have just as much a right as you do, to be angry. Should we be embracing evil? Jesus said turn our cheek yes, but you can only turn your cheek so many times. The Lord has stated that all evil will be wiped out in the end. I can't wait.

I clearly read something like this.

Hmm, I read MD's post similar to the way subs did. In fact, I think its time for a new nuclear war term. SELECTIVE LEVELING

Who is being the hypocrite here? :po:

http://www.howardbloom.net/islam.htm

This is the site that is fully dedicated to Islam's war against any group of people who disagree with them. This has been happening for over 1300 years.

There are good moslem people of good faith.

Battles Against evil one's though will be an on going thing that yes even GWB admits can't be won. John Kerry seems to think it can be so. His is not a realistic view

[Defiant Noquisi]

I'm sure you'd be ticked off in collateral damage :) Hehehe, good answer o' sly one. :D

[Defiant Noquisi]

I can tell by your post that you don't believe Christians are allowed to be angry. I hate all forms of evil as does God. To me your, sounding like your defending the terrorist and the evil here.<snip> The Lord has stated that all evil will be wiped out in the end. No, I didnt say anything about being angry. What I responded to was your answer to the problem is an OOOPS of selective bombing. If you believe that much that all evil will be wiped out, wheres your faith that it actually will be? Why resort to more violence?


I clearly read something like this.

Hmm, I read MD's post similar to the way subs did. In fact, I think its time for a new nuclear war term. SELECTIVE LEVELING

Who is being the hypocrite here? :po: You sure did and it was my smart ass answer to MD's post. I gave him a new term to use and also because I know his comments about himself are not entirely accurate. The hypocrite is you, not for being angry but that you would reduce yourself to accepting murder as an answer against your beliefs. Defending ourselves is one thing, rounding up people you THINK may be guilty and bombing them is another.


Battles Against evil one's though will be an on going thing that yes even GWB admits can't be won. John Kerry seems to think it can be so. His is not a realistic view Of course it cant be. And your beloved president, IF he is that deep in faith should have known that from the start. But like you said, all evil will be wiped out and he will get his too. Its only a matter of time.

[DarkAce]

Omar Bakri Mohammed, the spiritual leader of the extremist sect al-Muhajiroun, said that holding women and children hostage would be a reasonable course of action for a Muslim who has suffered under British rule.


Link:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/05/wosse705.xml

[mickydoolittle]

It only goes to provide further evidence of the kind of lowbrow cowards that we are collectively up in arms against.

[VegasRonin]

Funny you guys are quibbling over ideology, and DN's term of Selective Bombing. The events of the past 3 weeks have put us on the edge of a nuclear response. If you guys aren't thinking Putin isn't considering this, then you don't know Putin, and you definitely don't know The Russian Mindset. Watch the next few weeks (If that long). :devsmoke:

[VegasRonin]

He has to do something devastating to give his people a sense of security and power again. If not nuclear then something pretty close on the bar to its devastation. Russia has been taking it up the ass from Islamic Fundies for the past month or so, and they can't continue to do so. They've also fallen substantially in global view, while watching America rise. They now have an opportunity to crash back onto the world stage, and show they're still a power to be reckoned with.

[Defiant Noquisi]

Putin will have something in the works if he doesnt already. The people are already demanding it publically. He may be derailed because of the mourning (and quite frankly, the surprise of the situation to begin with) at this time but it wont be that way for long. :2gun:

[Marajadex]

Interesting.....

That needs some time to digest...

[dutchie]

I would consider this to be an enormous challenge for these students, to construct a system of law, based upon the shariah, while maintaining the international codes of human rights. I can understand a large number of them would want to take a crack at it.

However, if they would succeed, no single country would ever adopt it, I'm afraid, because in most countries where islamic law is applied, the punishments on the crimes would mostly considered to be very harsh and the leadership uses those laws to enforce oppression, not justice. Apart from that, why would a set of religious rules even remotely be applicable to non believers?

So as a challenge it has its educational values, but IMO it has no practical value. I think that even the Maldives will edit the outcome to suit their particular needs, rendering the work virtually unrecognizable in the end.

[Defiant Noquisi]

This thread got off thee track, so I'll post this (http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/10/08/penn.islamic.law.ap/index.html) as it makes no difference one way or the other. That is quite interesting. It will definately open doors of understanding for the students and puts them in a very interesting situation.

I think it a noble thing that this country has stepped forward like this however, acceptance of the decisions these students make as law will be quite a hurdle. People are resistant to change no matter where they come from. I hope that much good can come from this. :2thumbs:

[playmaker88]

They cut off her arms and legs and disfigured her face.


Only way to catch the ... is to actually catch them in the act as the cowards all where scarfs around their faces during their home videos. Makes me wish there really was such a thing as eternal damnation.

If caught, these cowards should be hung by their scrotum and slowly skinned with a potato peeler, throwing salt on the open wounds for good measure and then while they are barely alive fed to a hungry pack of vultures. If they're short on volunteers, (which I very much doubt), I'll do it.

[dutchie]

Ah, so you are civilised, are you?!? :ohmy:

[playmaker88]

No and quite frankly I don't give a damn, I'm sick of people taking liberties with other peoples lives on all sides, all over the planet...

Maybe we could just put them in a prison somewhere and let their relatives visit on public holidays and birthdays? Let them out after 10 for good behaviour on the promise that they won't go mutilating in the name of their God again and they attend counselling twice a month, or maybe release them as part of a hostage situation. Do we have any stats on released mutilators reoffending? Maybe someone could spend some hard earned tax-payers money finding out and let the public know? Let's not forget the little grant to help them settle back into society.

[dutchie]

ooh ooh, bitter sarcasm. :bondage:

My point: when you sink to their level, you're not a damn better. Allright, finish them off if you must, but do it quickly and in a humane way. My God, to what level are we all sinking here?! :ohmy:

[playmaker88]

My point: when you sink to their level, you're not a damn better.

I don't know Dutchie. I don't feel a sudden urge to run out, kidnap someone, chop them to bits and film it for good measure. For all my talk, I'm hardly able to do shit from here. These...are hardly up for capture with any sort of ease, so chances are they'll be free to carry out many more attrocities. I don't feel that they fear a quick execution, therefore there is currently no deterrent.

Truth is, justice will never find these people, no matter how unlucky they get. 'What goes around, comes around' is one of the greatest myths of our time. This makes me feel cheated, so what it does to the families of the victims I can't imagine.

What the hell, probably best for me to surpress all negative thoughts and just pretend it doesn't happen, it doesn't impact on the life of my family, friends and I...fuq'n, fuq'd up humans...Any sign of that bloody doom rock yet?

[Defiant Noquisi]

Its a no win situation no matter what one may wish to do with it. It would be great to see the groups using beheading to further their means get the same or worse. However, how would one know who exactly are the guilty if they are covered at all times during filming?

MD is spot-on. If there really was any kind of "honor" in what they were doing, they would have no need to cover themselves or hide their identity. They are nothing more than cowards and use "weaker" (Im not coming up with the proper wording) individuals or very small groups to attempt to further their means. Wow, what an example to the kids.

Freedom fighting is one thing. Hyper-posturing by using atrocious violence through torturous murder is quite another. The best I could hope for is that if there is a "hell" these types go to, Im hoping that their brown starfish is getting stretched way beyond normal output.

[MetalMilitia]

In case anyone had missed it : http://www.armageddononline.org/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1100658854&archive=&start_from=&ucat=11&

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