Guiliani: "Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists"

[MetalMilitia]

also:
44 uses of the root 'terror'
11 invocations of Sept. 11

The current administration must be removed from office before we can have any real peace, at home or in other countries. Arrogance is great.

I dont like it put to me in these terms, and I dont like the cuntservatives using these kind of invocations. I guess that makes the 400,000 people surrounding MSG the other night 'terrorists' for simply thinking differently than the Bush admin. They certainly didn't look "for us" - us meaning the diehard warbuffs.

We're fighting a war that cannot be won, this according to the elitist trash that calls himself a "war president".

Bush: 'War on terror cannot be won'
London Evening Standard | August 30 2004

President George Bush has acknowledged that he does not think the war on terror can be won, but said it would make it less acceptable for groups to use terrorism as a tool. In a US TV interview, Bush, who has said he expects the war on terror to be a long, drawn-out battle, was asked: "Can we win it?" The president replied: "I don't think you can win it. But I think you can create conditions so that the - those who use terror as a tool are - less acceptable in parts of the world." As the Republican National Convention opens in New York today, Bush is campaigning in New Hampshire, a tiny swing state where a victory is not a sure bet. It's his eighth trip to the state as president. Four years ago, Bush won New Hampshire by 7,211 votes. While Republicans outnumber Democrats among the state's registered voters, more than a third of those registered have yet to declare for one party or the other.

http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/PA_NEWUSBushMO10BushWaronterror?source=

What an optimist, although im sure this was taken out of context.

This is the blind leading the stupid.

"It does not matter whether the war is actually happening, and, since no decisive victory is possible, it does not matter whether the war is going badly. All that is needed is that a state of war should exist." - The 'Book within a Book' from George Orwell's 1984

[Defiant Noquisi]

What does the "MSG" refer too? Ive been out of the loop alot lately.

[DarkAce]

Probably Madison Square Garden.

Of course we can't win the war on terror, simply because you can't do it alone. Many countries aren't halting funding to terrorist organizations and continue selling them arms and allowing them free passage.

It doesn't mean you don't try however. Eventually we'll be able to get the aide from other countries if and when the problem starts to escalate. We've done huge amounts of positive though in taking out the taliban (which is an on going struggle) and reducing Al Qaeda operations and operatives, not to mention getting rid of Saddam Hussein. This is an on going struggle in stabilizing the ME, which isn't an easy thing to do. In countries where they let religion still have complete reign over their lives, mixing in politics within religious ideals equals bad mojo for the US but not limited to it only.

Arrogance is thinking peace can be achieved by simply removing an administration.

[dutchie]

No. Arrogance is the absurd notion that peace can be accomplished by first waging war... Arrogance equals stupidity.

[mickydoolittle]

To Matt & Hans:

So?

I posted a long, long time ago that the war on terror will never be won as the threat of terror will always exist, thus it won't be won.

Same as the war on drugs.

GWB is simply, openly acknowledging to the AMERICAn ppl (who appreciate such candor) that a long road lies ahead. Add to that the eventual requirement for more countries to join the efforts in protecting the BETTER common good and eradicating the threat as often as possible--if that means annihilating an entire country or region of ignorance...so be it. It should have happened twenty damn years ago.

Just stop wasting my time and be done with it already, as I'm tired of paying US$2.05 for a gallon of fuq'n gas.

[DarkAce]

What would you purpose dutchie? Reality wise, effective and plausible, there doesn't seem to be an attractive alternative. Even more so, this isn't about world peace, this is about protecting one's own country more or less. You keep extending a maniacal dog's leash and pretty soon you're going to loose control of that dog and then it's gonna be hell for whatever crosses path with that dog.

We should of taken Hitler out sooner too.

[substand]

What micky and darkace and Bush said about not being able to win the war on terror is absolutely correct. In addition, I would like to add the "war on poverty" and "war on racism." The idea is not to eradicate it- you can't, and thats what Bush was saying. The idea is to limit it to be an unacceptable ideology to most everyone, similar to racism, so that it becomes irrelevant to world affairs.

As for the massive mentions of "terror"- this is simply the republicans trying to further define the election as one about "terrorism," which they know they are strong on and the democrats are weak on. Its a smart tactic, and not too far from reality. This election, while it might not be won on "who is better against terror," will have an effect on terrorism later on, through the policies produced by whomever is elected.

[substand]

I guess that makes the 400,000 people surrounding MSG the other night 'terrorists' for simply thinking differently than the Bush admin.

who's calling them terrorists? I certainly haven't heard anyone call them that or anything remotely near it, and not even from extreme rightists like Michael Savage, whom you might expect to use the term in hyperbole as he often does.

[ConspiracyTheorist]

Hell no.

In order for terrorism to be defeated, ALL countries in the world today would have to make a very strong effort to erradicate terror, instead of supporting it behind closed doors.


And because not all countries govern the same way, a united government would be needed to combat "evil". This is whole idea of the current administration. The NWO.

And, as long as terror exists, governments control the populace, more jobs are created, more money is spent on defense, and espionage, all the while, slowly but surely, the iron fist will tighten on their enemies, until one nation stands apart from all others, imposing their will upon all others.

[Defiant Noquisi]

Probably Madison Square Garden.

Arrogance is thinking peace can be achieved by simply removing an administration. Thanks on the MSG. As far as removing an administration goes, thats not arrogance thats wishful thinking. :D