I don't want to believe in God anymore.

[sogroovy]

I am sick of praying and although I think Jesus was real I don't like him that much. I am tired of being scared of God. I have tried to read the Bible and all that, but the more I read the Bible the less I like God.
A) He created us to fall into sin and experience judgement--that is sadistic.
B) He wants us to worship Him although we are given the free will not to. That is dishonest.
C) What he did to Lot is cruel and manipulative
D) Big deal that Jesus got nailed. I mean, He was God so He knew he would get the best deal after.We as mere humans are playing this game a lot closer to our guts because we could get there and he goes "I never knew you" and that is that.

[Trishia]

Its all personal choice. I do dissagree with some of your statements. I am not a religious person, and don't see the need to go to church however, to say that God wants us to worship him is totally wrong. That worship crap was added into the bible by priests to further control and manipulate the people. I truly believe this and if there was a god (a higher being) why would he hold our hand through our problems? I believe there is a reason why things are the way they are on earth and it has a lot to do with "doing things" for ourselves and progression. What I mean is, I don't believe God has told anyone to do anything, its the leaders of the religious groups that have!

You are totally wrong by your statement that Jesus was God. Very wrong. Jesus was not God! If there was a Jesus he may have been chosen to try to enlighten people and teach about love, etc but he did not create the universe. And by the way, God didn't write the bible. People wrote the bible and there are still people putting there words into it. It is hardly the word of God.

[armageddononline]

From your post it sounds like you do believe in God, but you just don't like him. But you can't just decide not to believe something anymore - I couldn't decide to stop believing the world was round because I think I'd prefer it flat.

[lazserus]

Mike's got a point. It's hard to stop believing in something.

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I am sick of praying [/quote]
There's an easy solution for this: stop praying. Why would you be obligated to pray? If you have a personal issue with God then don't oblige him with your prayers.

[sogroovy]

The problem with doing away with the New Testament is PAUL. I mean, this guy had everything to lose by believing in Jesus Christ as God itself and, he was not an uneducated man, and quite capable AND a freaking ROMAN AND a farisee and quite aware of the laws against christianity (he was an enforcer of it) and he had to have experienced what he said it did (road to Damascus bit) and that removed all doubt that Jesus was indeed GOD. And it cost him. His letters are in fact his letters. So it is not as if someone wrote about him and told Paul's story.

Now, in the New Testament Jesus is not a lovey dovey type of guy at all. As a matter of fact he is more of a reproacher and quite cold and calculating. And there he says he is God (the trinity and all that...).

MY problem is that I am having an emotional breakdown because I am going through all sorts of hell right here in earth and I pray and get all desperate because I want to do the right thing, but it is all going to hell anyways and I would be better off if I did not pray or expect one single thing from God. I think I would be far better off if I did not believe in anything and just move the pieces of life according to the best strategy and declare bankrupcy or to live according to the quote:

<hr /><hr /><span style="color:red;font-family:verdana;"><strong>"we are God's unwanted children. So be it" T. Durton</strong></span>

[VegasRonin]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> I think Jesus was real I don't like him that much. I am tired of being scared of God. I have tried to read the Bible and all that, but the more I read the Bible the less I like God. [/quote]
Your thoughts are close to what I thought quite while back in my life. I believed in God but I started not to like him. I didn't like the fact that the Israelites were God's chosen people. I couldn't understand why he found favor with Abel's offering and not Kane's. It appeared to me that God was playing favorites. Then it occured to me, you can believe in God without believing in every word of the bible. You can believe that the bible was divinely inspired but still written by man. We all know how man can mess things up. ;)

[lazserus]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>We all know how man can mess things up.[/quote]
Yea, and man with God at his back is much more dangerous.

[VegasRonin]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Yea, and man with God at his back is much more dangerous. [/quote]
As 9/11 has shown us. We can also take the examples of Mother Theresa who we all know donated her entire life to helping the less fortunate. Then there's Father Damien who spent his entire ministry with the Leper colony in the Hawaiian islands, until finally contracting and dying from the disease himself. Belief in God can accomplish a lot of good but unfortunately there are those that will twist it into something ugly.
Don't sound like much of an agnostic do I? :evil:

[dutchie]

Dear Sogroovy,

I seriously would want to urge you to seek help with your problems. From your writings (with which I agree for most of it) I get the feeling that you're in deep sh.t, and shoved your faith (last straw?) overboard. Find someone to help you and do it quick.

[evilwill88]

My philosophy.

We control our own lives. There is no use sitting around like a sad sod hoping 'god' will help you out. That won't get you anywhere. If you want something to happen, you must make it happen. Live your life..... and don't worry about god.

[DontBeAfraid]

Sogroovy, You are on the verge of freedom. Dont let the compost of your faith restrain your intellect anymore.

[evilwill88]

Look at that...... DBA's posts signify the mark of the beast....

:rolleyes:

[evilwill88]

GOD - the Father
GOD - the Son
GOD - the Holy Spirit

If you believe the words on the pages of that infamous novel, then Jesus was god--in man form, but god nonetheless. It's similar to the H2O example: H2O is H2O no matter if it is Steam, Water in a glass, or Ice. It's all the same element. Again, this is if you choose to believe as such.

I however, choose not to because guilt is no way achieve a direction and that is ALL christianity, and 99% of the other religions out there are about.

So, good for you groovy, thinking for yourself must be liberating and freeing. It was for me anyhow...

I don't think you need help as dutchie states, but it would be best for you to get out there and experience life on the planet at least. Live a lot and enjoy more.

<em>--against the rules MD--</em>

"micky 'I'm an opinionated bastard' doolittle".
-MD-

[DontBeAfraid]

What are the odds of that :evil:

The religious nits arent going to listen to anything I say after that Will.

[evilwill88]

:evil:

Maybe if you post heaps and get to a new page..... they won't notice it. :lol:

[Kenneth Strong]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Look at that...... DBA's posts signify the mark of the beast....[/quote] And also his words! groovy, For whom the LORD loves He reproves, Even as a father corrects the son in whom he delights. "Behold, how happy is the man whom God reproves, So do not despise the discipline of the Almighty"

[sogroovy]

That was the first thing I saw after reading the post! DAMN!

[sogroovy]

That is the thing exactly. The kind of help I need right now is spiritual (maybe), I mean: I live this life of sadness and isolation and all my efforts to try and break out of it are useless. I have tried to not feel as bad as I feel: psichiatrists, anti-depressants, prostitutes, making friends, writing, calling my mother once a week (forget my father), joining clubs and the last one that I tried was to read the bible and pray the prayer of salvation and really try to be Jesus like. Well, guess what? I don't buy it. Just cannot believe and what is the worse part I cannot disbelief either. I mean, I wish it was like when I flushed out the anti depressants (8 different types), IT WAS SO obvious that they were complete nonsense and that all they were doing was making me fat and indolent. Now I need to forget that God will help me in ANY SINGLE WAY and not expect peace of mind or anything from him, but I asm really struggling with that. I mean, if all we are here for is to pass less than a hundred years as consumers: then lets all either get rich or kill ourselves if we don't.


<span style="color:fuchsia;font-family:helvetica;font-size:medium;">"We are God's unwanted children. So be it!" Tyler Durton</span>

[JD]

Sogroovy,. are you enjoying having a good whinge? What is it you are praying for that you are not getting? I never get what I want! but I still believe in a being called God. It depends what you are mean't to have in life as to whether you will get it or not. If you pray for money, chances are if it is heartfelt, you will need lots of patience. Sometimes we are mean't to go through pain in order to grow. If we didn't have heartaches we would not learn and if we got everything we ever desired we would only become selfish and not care about anything. I think you learn humility, appreciation and respect for things when go through pain and on earth, the more you can experience, the more you grow spiritually. Sogroovy, I doubt if you would understand what I am trying to say.

[Kenneth Strong]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I never get what I want! [/quote] Ever heard thou shall not want. If it's not really needed to sustain life I don't think he will grant your request. And yes suffering does bring wisdom.

[Alan]

Well it looks like you're on your way down the drain.

What will stop it? You say you've tried many things, you dislike your father, he may be a cause, and yourself as well. I am a fairly solitary person, though I can be very social at times when I am alone I do not get depressed, most of the time.

I enjoy marvelling in nature, in the world that God made, I find it so hard to think of how flowers turn towards the sun, how insects can travel so far on so little fuel, how seeds can remain dormant for so long and yet with water and sun bring forth life. How I am so small as compared to everything I can see, the trees, the rocks, the sky, what a big place when you walk in nature alone.

Life in all forms is very complex, I enjoy complex things, so I tend to enjoy life. Maybe you should spend time wrapped in your own thoughts outside, away from everyone else's opinions of what is wrong with you and find out for yourself. Blaming God for not helping you is a pitaful excuse. Blame yourself for your own lack of feeling to enjoy life. Its no ones fault but your own.

As children if you (or anyone) was doing something, another walked in, said hello, and just as you turned your head to say hel;lo back you wrecked what you were doing you automatically got mad at them, not sure about the term, displaced anger? Anyway, it was their own fault they turned to say hello, and their own fault they wrecked it.

When you find out your problem exacly you may be able to heal it yourself. What do you think people did when they had your problem 500 years ago?

Anwser : Lived with it, solved it, or ended their problem either at the source, or ended another persons life which are both very cowardly.

Stand up and be proud, go alone to solve your problem, dont beg others for attention, this is life, its no free ride. God doesnt help you at the momment, so what? You blame Him? Pray for the children starving in other countries to either get food, or pass away peacefully, there are people a lot worse off that you in this world. You have the money to get prostitutes and so many things? Money doesnt buy happiness, it buys gifts and free time to make other people happy (if you use it right).

One last suggestion, if you cant get yourself happy on your own, you will need others, ever think of volunteer work or helping the homeless in some way. If you have family or close friends, get them a gift of some sort and see how happy they get (works great with kids) and I have noticed the best feeling I get is when another person enjoys very much the gift you gave them, and they shine with happiness and gratitude, it brings a great feeling.

If youve read through all this then good for you, and remember to stand tall and proud in what you believe in and know the best way to help others is to first help yourself.

Thanks

Alan

[DontBeAfraid]

Alan nobodies going to read your long stupid boring post. If you love god so much then go kill yourself.

The above post is alittle offensive. Why have a go at people for having a belief. If that is what makes them happy leave them be. Let people sort things out for themselves.

[DontBeAfraid]

Alan is a little offensive, I am not bashing him because of his beleifs Im bashing him because of his stupidity. Im bashing him because he is trolling for it.

Who the hell are you?

[DontBeAfraid]

Oh you didnt know? Im god.

I thought you had a problem. |I

[DontBeAfraid]

Im not???? go ahead and prove that Im not god smarty pants.

[dutchie]

My my DBA (god) what's wrong?? You got dumped this weekend?

Regarding my remark about SoGroovy getting help: seeing in a later post that he is/was on anti-depressiva, I see I am right to suspect him to have more than a little problem. Look don't get me wrong, SG - I think shedding the faith is no problem at all: god (DBA) is not going to clear your depression and I certainly don't think Alan is going to get you any more merry than you are, but I still think you ought to seek the company of your friends. Stay out of the way of too much faith altogether.

[Mensa Genius]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Alan nobodies going to read your long stupid boring post. If you love god so much then go kill yourself. [/quote]

DBA, it appears as though Alan nobodies has more to offer than you.

Whats wrong are you going through a difficult time? It appears as though you are on the verge of abusing your moderating powers. You are supposed to be a rolde model so act like one for a change!!! :|

[DontBeAfraid]

Go through the archives mensa and you will see why I dont like alan. He left after his rhetoric was debased a while ago and now he is back with nothing new.

Im no mod btw..... just near death.

[dutchie]

That's right Mensa, DBA has been given a title on request to Mike and Steve. He's not a mod however.

[Mensa Genius]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>That's right Mensa, DBA has been given a title on request to Mike and Steve. He's not a mod however[/quote]

thats fine but how comes DBA can edit posts?

[Mensa Genius]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Go through the archives mensa and you will see why I dont like alan. He left after his rhetoric was debased a while ago and now he is back with nothing new.[/quote]
I'll look through the archives...


I am not impressed though, two wrongs dont make a right and if i see any silly posts by Alan towards you i shall remove them.

[dutchie]

He can just edit his own posts. So could you when you weren't a mod.

[Juggalo]

DBA, I am surprised. I know you to be a person who uses intelligence, yet you make an uneducated accusation. How can someone lose intelligence by believing in God? If a genius determines there is a higher power and pays homage to it, does that mean his intellect drops to moronic proportions? Of course not. How he follows his beliefs, however, can be attributed to intelligence, or better yet, wisdom. Wisdom is the cousin of intellect and they are not one and the same. A smart person can lack common sense, which makes him do stupid things, which we have all done. A dumb person can also have insight into something that the most intelligent person could never see, due to their unbending worship of science, et al. I agree with most here, I do not go to church because of men who have their own agenda using the Word of God to achieve those ends. Those are the ones you be wary of. And those are the ones that cause the mindset of men like DBA and his compatriots. You look at the bad, refusing to see the good. But then again, that's free will for you. And that is your choice, I accept it. But it doesn't give you license to sling mud at those who choose to live a life trying to aspire to better themselves spiritually. To do something of that nature makes you look petty, and in the end, most unintelligent.

[sogroovy]

I feel that I should explain, maybe express is a better word, why I posted this topic for debate:

I am in a very lonely place. I live in New York City and all I do is work because I am too tired after I work. I am 45 and not wealthy and not good looking or interesting. In the last 9 years I have been in a spiritual journey and the results have been dismal. It (the spiritual crap) kind of started when I got clean and sober by going to AA. AA is a religious organization who would like to tell the world it is not. I got to thinking about God this and God that and God, God, God.
Last year in January, I had a really hard set of circumstances hit me-- lost a job I really wanted, got my heart broken, it was really bad- I was in all sorts of anti-depressants so I could function on the job without anxiety attacks, but it all went bad. True, most of it my fault, but also a lot happened.
I went in a tear after that. I took cash advances like crazy and bought a couple of cash businesses and one of them worked out and I lost a bunch of money on the other. I started calling prostitutes and all sorts of crazy living. I bought everything in sight and all that. I stopped taking the anti depressants and stopped going to the shrink who was validating my nonsense just to keep me as a paying patient and began to realize what I had really done.
Now I want to do whatever I can to fix the problem, but the thing is that this belief in God is messing me up because I can't help to think that if things go wrong he is punishing me and when I think of doing this or that I get terribly confused thinking God will punish me for doing this or that. Moreover, I keep waiting for some kind of miracle to happen, and I keep thinking that either it will happen because things that happened in my past could have been miracles or I also think that God has given up on me.
So I started to read the bible to get on good with God, but all it does is drive me crazy and that is why I wanted to tell it to somebody and to read how people respond. I know I am a lowly person for doing such, but you are pretty much the only people I communicate with nowadays.

Sorry for the long posting and I hope I did not bore you

<span style="color:teal;font-family:helvetica;font-size:medium;">"we are God's unwanted children. So be it!" Tyler Durton</span>

[DontBeAfraid]

Everybody should read your long heartfelt post SG

[annabelly]

Keep talking to us SG :D

Compared to chatting on this forum I have had less fulfilling conversations with many old friends and acquaintances at crowded parties. This is a great place to air your views, and that in turn can sometimes help you find yourself.

My dad once told me, that no matter what my problem was, there were always a heap of other people with exactly the same problem at the same time. (pretty simple stuff I know)

A lot of us may feel like we are all alone, yet you can be surrounded by friends and family and feel just as lonely, its whats going on "inside" you that determines it, not who is around you.
Its not easy to take your mind to a new and higher place, when you are a bit down, but this forum isn't a bad start, so offload to your hearts content. :)

[VegasRonin]

You're welcome here SG. I don't believe a God would give up on anyone but more importantly, <strong>Don't give up on yourself!</strong>

[mickydoolittle]

It's all so clear--I go away & you bastards pick on DBA.

big meanies....

Instead of applauding those with the insight and forthrightness to post as such; you censor/mod them to the point of insolance.

trolls...trolls...trolls....TROLLS!!!!!

"micky 'I'm an opinionated bastard' doolittle".
-MD-

PS

Alan it is NOT a good thing to see you posting again. It appears that I have been under the mistaken impression that this board was being inundated with intelligence rather than superstitious conspiracy theorists.

Oh, yeah...MahnahMahnah!

[VegasRonin]

'Tis no crime to show compassion Micky. We're in this world together you know?

[evilwill88]

I think DBA is the one doing the picking on......

[dutchie]

IMO they were both busy with utterly useless posts. If you MUST insist on calling names, go to another board.

[Kenneth Strong]

Groovy, The worst thing u could do is give up on god!! From your words I would say you are most definitely one of gods children! you wouldn't be having the problems your experiencing if you weren't. there's no such thing as a unwanted child of god!( 2nd peter 3:9) That 666 post tells me he's trying to talk to you now. He marked those words so you would know what sprit they came from! So he has not given up on you! If your looking (praying) for security in life thru money forget it. The only thing that really matters now is saving your soul. You've been getting some good advice from some others on the board. I'm another one of those Alan type people the1st and 2nd paragraphs of his posts describes me to a T! I know exalty what he's talking about. I always think of like from under the rocks all the small creatures some so small mans eye doesn't see. then from there all the way out past the farest galaxy's. ever see that picture from Hubble of what they call those galaxy clusters? That's the picture I have in mind. Everything from the one to the other is his work. In my mind man has no words to describe his greatness. You say "He wants us to worship Him although we are given the free will not to" I think he wants you to love him then out of love worship him, in that order. Ever hear that saying, if you love something let it go and if it comes back it will love you. Or how ever that saying goes. You also say, "He created us to fall into sin and experience judgment" I believe him when he said he had a plan. No man can know just what his plan is. I feel like sin causes suffering and thru suffering we learn true wisdom. The school your enrolled in is very hard indeed. maybe it could be called something like, universe u. This is what I do when I need to ask my professor a question. 3 to 5 or more lord's prayers 3 times a day, keeping my ? in mind and fully believing I will get a answer. Then watch your dreams. It's worked for me so far. Maybe your ? could be, What do I need to do to change my life for the best. Now if u want my opinion on some things you could do. I agree with Alan about 99 % but I believe the best way to help yourself is to help others first. Your a sinner like me. And helping others atones for sins. If something you do makes you feel guilty. Then you already know in your heart it's wrong and you must do as much as you possibly can to stop doing them. If you don't it's just piling sin on sin and gets harder and harder to atone for. and then that peace of mind your looking for will never come. Do like Alan said, if your in the city all the time most of all u see is man's work. Get out where u can see gods work and beauty. there's more I'd like to tell you but this is long enough for now. later!

[DontBeAfraid]

LOL.... thats right Im the devil. Kenny wants you to feel very very bad about yourself, He wants you to feel as though you cant live without his god, as though his god is the REASON for living.

Sounds like a very twisted relationship to me SG, A very abusive relationship he wants his god to have with you.

[dutchie]

Must say I agree with DBA here.. Can't remember when exactly, but I reached the count of 666 posts also - and going on like this I'll reach 6666 before you can say -%--%--%--%-yerpants...

And yes, there is something in his remark about dependancy of God... SG showed that - despite the troubles he is going through - he takes a firm grasp of his existence and is seriously questioning the place he is giving God in it. To me, that seems like the healthy thing to do, no matter the outcome.

[Kenneth Strong]

Dba, I didn't mean to imply that u were the Devil. I know better than that! just that the sprit that speaks thru u is one of a anti Christ. maybe more like a devil's advocate. I still believe he used u to get to Sg. yes anyone could have a post# 666 but circumstances might not be the same at the time. They say he is very much a god of circumstance.

[sogroovy]

I was on my stupid coffee cart (that is what I do for a living) and I was feeling afraid and desolate and all of the sudden I got a feeling that:
My life's purpose is to endure whatever comes my way. Nothing else. That is it. No God. No salvation, redemption, pontification. Simply to transcend the days in Earth. I started reading a book by Henry Miller and in an essay about Lawrence he proposes that humankind as a creative entity must do away with the very things that brought that creativity up in order to become artistic. Miller defines artistic humankind as the part of human beings that end up using their soul in the expression of their lives. Be that the life of a garbage collector or Rainer Maria Rilke.
I mean, I may never disassemble the core beliefs I have of an omniscient and all powerful and involved entity, but maybe my existence has purpose in that it exists and in that it can endure life.

P.S. Thank you for posting replies. I feel I needed it.

[sogroovy]

OOOPS I FOGOT!:

<span style="color:red;font-family:century gothic;font-size:x-large;">"we are God's unwanted children. So be it." Tyler Durton</span>

[necromancer2643]

s,
i am not sure if there is a god or not... i have my doubts, etc. i am sure we all have these thoughts... i have battled with other religious people here and there... in a nutshell, i could really careless about their viewpoints.. i figure that if i live a good life and then go to hell, then so be it..

anyway, i just figure that that responsibility of personal happiness lies with the individual... you can choose to be happy...... i hope this makes sense, cuz we all deserve to be happy...

i hope this response finds you doing better.. take care

[Mensa Genius]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>He can just edit his own posts. So could you when you weren't a mod. [/quote]

Actually dutchie I could never edit my posts before mod, and if I sign in unregistered I cant edit my post!

[DontBeAfraid]

actually genius, thats a loose fit at the moment, registered users can edit their own posts, unregistered users cant. When you log in as a registered user you can edit your posts and it will say your name at the bottom of the boards as someone who has visited in the last 15 minutes.

[geedubyah]

domoarigatomrroboto...errr,mrdba.

Yeah, I don't know...
geedubyah

I'm sure genius thanks you as well; don't you genius? :cool:

[dutchie]

Had to read that 5 times to see it's Japanese....:D

Well, Mensa - the explanation is correct. When you're not registered you can't edit. When you are you can. When you're a mod you can edit or delete anyone's post.

[evilwill88]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Had to read that 5 times to see it's Japanese[/quote]

Ah... So it is.

It's been a long time since I did Jap.....:eek:

And I'm soon to be rid of german. :D

[DontBeAfraid]

Its what I do, I help the people.

[Mensa Genius]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I'm sure genius thanks you as well; don't you genius? [/quote]


‚Í‚¢! ‚_‚肪‚Æ‚¤”ñ�í‚É�A ‘å‚«‚¢’N‚©‚É‚±‚±‚ɉ‚±‚Æ “ú–{Œê‚ð˜b‚·‚à!

en dank u voor uw gastvrijheid ook dutchie, veel gewaardeerd!

[Mensa Genius]

Japanese doesnt come out properly on these forums!

[DontBeAfraid]

So what would it have said....

[dutchie]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>en dank u voor uw gastvrijheid ook dutchie, veel gewaardeerd[/quote]:rolleyes:

..and thanks for your hospitality too, dutchie, many appreciated.

This is the exact translation of your "dutch" sentence, Mensa. Where did you get it from, a translation program?

[armageddononline]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"we are God's unwanted children. So be it." Tyler Durton[/quote]
"You have to accept the possibility that God hates you" - Tyler Durton :D

[sogroovy]

could you please pass the vinegar? Sir.

[Mark]

The only person that will get you out of your negativity is yourself. Do things for yourself SoGroovy and quit putting the blame on something else. If the bible confuses you, don't read the damn thing. Start making your own life better for yourself before it gets worse.

[Mensa Genius]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>This is the exact translation of your "dutch" sentence, Mensa. Where did you get it from, a translation program?[/quote]

I learnt a little bit of Afrikaans when I was in South Africa, which is rather similar to speaking dutch :D

[dutchie]

ah, yes suid-afrikaans... Saw a documentary about the last remaining dutch peasant colonies there, my God what a racist nazi's they are.... Makes you ashamed that they're of dutch decendancy...

Afrikaans has some similarity to dutch, but most of us would have a really hard time understanding what the hell they're on about...

[dutchie]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>could you please pass the vinegar? Sir. [/quote]
That won't get you much sympathy.

[evilwill88]

Back on topic.....

If you don't want to believe in god.... don't.

It is very simple to get on with your life and not worry about jesus, god or any other religion.

[sogroovy]

Armagg. knows what brings relief.

<span style="color:red;font-family:helvetica;font-size:medium;">"if our fathers were models for God...what does that tell you about God?" Tyler Durton

"We are God's unwanted children. So be it" Tyler Durton</span>

[Alan]

Well sogroovy, keep up the good fight, you seem to be feeling better, hey, I tell you what, Ill try praying for you, but you tell me if thats ok first, alright?

As for reading the posts, dba hasnt changed, funny how ppl who dont know him assume he is ignorant in what he says as it is mostly offensive to people who believe there is a higher power in the universe. And those that are atheis, and quite knowably so say 'why is everyone so mean to the mean guy, hes naturally mean that what his religion did to him, so leave him alone'.

In responce to that, well Ill try.

I spend a bit of time on here every few months, and Ive just hit the time that Im looking through, the posts just arnt as good as they used to be, but that guy Paul certainly has a like mind to mind, wouldnt mind getting his email.

Later, off and I dont know when Ill be back again.

Alan

[DontBeAfraid]

Im mostly just mean to you alan....

My mean streaks coincide quite well with your visits.

I have NO RELIGION. When you call science RELIGION it makes me MEAN.

[evilwill88]

We all remember paul.....

He left very disgruntled....

And his posts were too long.

[dutchie]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"if our fathers were models for God...what does that tell you about God?" Tyler Durton[/quote]

My auntie was a model. They used her picture when designing the sherman tank.

[mickydoolittle]

"but that guy Paul certainly has a like mind to mind, wouldnt mind getting his email."

Dude, I'm sure Paul doesn't want to cyber with you.
:evil: :rolleyes: :evil: :rolleyes: :evil: :rolleyes: :evil: :rolleyes: :evil:

"micky 'I'm an opinionated bastard' doolittle".
-MD-

[evilwill88]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>My auntie was a model. They used her picture when designing the sherman tank[/quote]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Alan]

All you have to do is know science is not religion and your free from the thought. Evolution is just theory with lies to back it up, cant be proven either? So what does that mean? If it was proven everyone would know it was true. Too bad your RELIGION of EVOLUTION, thats right DBanideot, RELIGION doesnt have a church... I guess you feel left out eh?

As for doolittles comments, i meant to use the same word 3 times, and you can doo little elsewhere, but feel free to throw the punches, they wont frey me on this board or if you did happen to meet me... well they wouldnt then either, Im, ooo, id say 80 % sure in that.

Thanks for reading... everytime you do you waste your time, unless you believe that there is a higher power or order in this universe and death is not the end... both thoughts dont need to be tied together for you not to waste your time reading too I might add.

Alan

[lotrfan553455]

SG,
"Things will get better, they just gotaa."

-Annie

---
Allan,

No woneder why DBA is so mean to you, you just say the evidience to back up evolution is just "lies" . That shows a sign of what you are like.

[sogroovy]

I'll probably will drop even lower in the steem of most, but what I have heard about evolution does not make sense with what i have heard about fossils:

A) There are no fossils that are in the transition period between the great divisions of the species. All fossils seem to be of already developed species. I mean, there are no fossils that are from the transformation from reptiles to birds or from the hipocatepus to the horse, or from the unvertebrae to the vertebre(spelling?) type of species.

B) The Cambrian Explosion (Spelling?). This is an immense amoutn of fossils that are mammals and they all come from the same period of time. None before.

c) The amount of scientists that consider Carbon dating a piece of junk (look this up)

All these do away with the main ingredient of the evolution recipy: billions of years and slow change

What do i think? If evolution happened it did not happen in Earth.

I am afraid that we were created by a designer who is all powerful and...


<span style="color:green;font-family:times new roman;font-size:large;">"We are God's unwanted children. So be it!" Tyler Durton</span>

[DontBeAfraid]

You learned about evoltion from your church or from troll -%--%--%--%--%-es like alan SG, let laz point you in the correct direction.

[Alan]

DbaI is now 'small little man' to me, Sogroovy, Ive heard some of these things before, and yes we are wayyy to complex to come from rocks, they have no proof, thats why you need to BELIEVE in it, its a religion.

small little man, you were brainwashed by yourself wernt you? too many times in front of the mirror with the watch going back and forth I suspect, or was it the aliens?

heheh

Alan

[DontBeAfraid]

There is solid proof SG, just because troll -%--%--%--%--%- wishes there wasnt doesnt mean there isnt.

Get on your knees and praise jesus for a while troll -%--%--%--%--%-.

[Alan]

wats that? cant hear you, your just too darned small!

hey buddy, why doing you provide some proof as youve never done it before? O wait! thats right we wont hearyou because of your 'petiteness'

[DontBeAfraid]

You have been directed to the proof many times but you twist it in ways far more complicated than they need to be to make stuff not fit.

Its like the world is putting together a puzzle and you are cutting the peices up and glueing them together.

[Alan]

Youre the one that made the puzzle out of nothing in the first place, and if it has been cut and glued together by many, many times over, whats the difference if I show you your own cracks?

[dutchie]

Can we get the f.ck back to a normal debate, gents????!??:|

[evilwill88]

I don't think this will happen.

Alan, you keep raving on about how there is no proof of evolution.

Where is your proof that we were created by god. Or that there is a god?

[sogroovy]

I have been thinking that maybe it is the whole Jesus freak thing that makes me so damn (ou intended) desperate. I mean, screw Jesus and the whole judeo christian nonsense of guilt and hell and the waiting for a better world after we die. I do believe that there is an intelligent power in the universe, but I have been feeling so much more comforted by the thought that it is a power that is available when fear and anxiety are surrendered. I have been writing what my fears are and my resentments and among the fears I have is that there is this quid pro quo with a being that is perfect and omnipotent. All you can get from that is slavery and abuse. I can't handle that emotionally. If the stuff that is in the bible is true: genocide, murder, condemnation by the hand of this God. AND if it is true that He was willing to let harm come to His only beggotten son: God is a prick. It is the kind of lies that my father told us when he divorced my mother: 'I am doing it because it is better for you that we are not unhappy.' That was parallel to "for He so loved the world..."
SO I think that it is my concept of God that I cannot find any peace with; the God of the bible that hates faggots, getting laid, blowjobs and on and on. If that concept is true then it follows as a matter of fact that:

<span style="color:yellow;font-family:times new roman;font-size:large;">"we are God's unwanted children. So be it" Tyler Durton</span>

[dutchie]

Dear SG,

Skip my writings about you being in need of psychological aid: I never wrote that. This is one of the most sane and sound posts I have seen on the doubts about religion (apart from my own, of course :p ;) ) and it just about sums my thoughts on this up for a 100 %

clap clap clap BRAVO!!! clap clap

[mickydoolittle]

that's some pretty powerful insight you've developed.

Kudos.

I'm not much on giving praise or applaumb, but this deserves it.

Right on....RIGHT the FUQ on! The key is you thinking for yourself and developing your path...

"micky 'I'm an opinionated bastard' doolittle".
-MD-

[annabelly]

Oh God...you atheists do love to applaud yourselves. You are virtually a religion of your own. I think its called The Church of Hatred and Cynicism.

Sogroovy...I don't want to harm your "recovery" from the "depressing" influence of God, but try to be a bit more measured in your initial response to "break free" from him.

He said "Beware of false prophets" (including those standing around at the time.) Don't depend so literally on the bible, and its respective authors. Think about how modern journalists constantly stuff up news reports.
Jesus DID exist, whether he was the son of god or a prophet, and none of his reported deeds were criticizable - everything he did was good, loving and in the best interests of humanity. He was forgiving even to those that hung him on the cross, and hey - he was representing his DAD!

Give God a break.

MY God has all the qualities cited above, otherwise I wouldn't bother with him.

[evilwill88]

Go the atheists!!!!

*applause* :D

[annabelly]

Bloody atheists!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[dutchie]

Annabelly, in case you did not notice: nobody is denying the existence of christ or that his deeds were OK or that he died on a cross by the hands of the romans.

We're just applauding the fact that someone dares to think for himself and not letting some dogma lead him into a depression. Step 1 for him was letting go of his girlfriend, which is not a little feat - and now step 2: getting rid of the yoke on his shoulders that HE felt religion is.

BTW I am NOT an atheist. I just haven't decided what to believe in. Ultimately it's MY decision. To me atheism is not a religion: breaking your back under your dogmatic burden is just plain stupid. THAT is what we're trying to say here.

[DontBeAfraid]

until this post nobody in this thread denied that jesus was factual.... I am now stating that jesus was a myth as well.

[dutchie]

Well, DBA, I hate to do this to ya, but.... It's true, I'm afraid. Jesus did exist. If I am not mistaken there are three independant sources from that period of time that confirm the life and death of Jesus. Could be that he was not exactly fitting the picture that is painted in scriptures, but his existence is more or less a proven fact.

[DontBeAfraid]

Please enlighten me as to these sources? The bible doesnt count because it was written well after the fact. Maybe a jesus existed, but we are talking about bible jesus arent we? miracle boy jesus... not just someone named jesus. Im sure there were lots of jesus' 2000 years ago. I mean there is more than a couple people alive today that have my exact name; first middle last. So tell me where it is documented, maybe a link, that jesus -the one from the bible- actually existed. jesus of christianity is a myth...

[dutchie]

I'll do some searching and then I'll come back to you. Off to home now.

[DontBeAfraid]

Im pretty sure you wont find what you are looking for....

I have looked extensively... All I found was hearsay and unreliable assertions.

[sogroovy]

I am airing my concepts of God and all and I am not denying that God exists. The thing though, is that I am in a place where it is no longer a theoretical exercize to be burdened but a matter of despair, deep unconsolable grief, to live with the ideas that christianism puts forth. The path is far too narrow for me and as far as going to Hell, while that might be a possibility, I experience HELL IN EARTH as a REALITY when I try to live my life according to the opinions of The New Testament as to how life is to be endured.
If The Gospels are true: Jesus was a very condemming person, everything he gave had a million attachments to it, and the level of self engrandisement (I am the Alpha....) and of despotic expectations of his subjects are unbecoming of a god of love and forgiveness. Moreover, why should I have to be responsible for His sacrifice? Why should I have to feel guilty because I am as I am?
I am exploring a different path: I have the gut feeling that my self centeredness and egoism comes from being afraid. Being afraid of poverty, loneliness, not being loved, not having sex, etc... are the very fears that make me poor, lonely, unlovable, unsexy. I am doing an exercize to see where and in how many ways these fears manifest and to give them to GOD in whatever form He may be. Even ideas that are seemingly not fearful I am writing them down and offering them to whatever is out there. I feel better. It may be the proberbial bowl of soup for the kingdom, but I am not in a position to risk feeling suicidal any more. So I am willing to face the fear that:

<span style="color:purple;font-family:comic sans ms;font-size:medium;">"we are God's unwanted children. So be it" Tyler Durton</span>

[annabelly]

Quote

"deep unconsolable grief, to live with the ideas that christianism puts forth."

Some christianisms not all. Many churches that claim to represent Christ are not accurate in their delivery. I take them all with a grain of salt. The churches that is...not God.

quote
"If The Gospels are true: Jesus was a very condemning person"

Deeds not words. Man is condemning. Man wrote the gospels.
Regardless of their perspective slants and interpretations what did they report that Jesus ever actually DID that was condemning or not in mankinds best interests.

Let go only of your faith in mans infallibility to report history and occurrences correctly.

Quote
"and the level of self engrandisement (I am the Alpha....)"

Jeez....he was the son of God for Christ sake.
Or at least a prophet....:D

Quote
" despotic expectations of his subjects are unbecoming of a god of love and forgiveness."

Sorry...despotic? er in what instance?

"Forgive them father for they know not what they do".....thats not very despotic.

[sogroovy]

I threw away my Bible so I don't have the exact quote but it goes to the tune:

Whoever follows me let him or her forsake his husband or wife, let him leave his family and something about hating that I don't remember

He says to Lazarus to give up everything he has to follow him.

He tells the fishermen to abandon their families and trade

It goes on and on and on. And lastly:

Why could he not allow the merchants to use the temple?

It was all the time: My way or the Highway.

If JC was God why did he not just fix everything right there and then.

NO! NO NO NO just thinking about this personal God gets me anxious and depressed. I cannot take this crap. If christianism works for you GREAT! If all of the sudden you cannot stop thinking of suicide I suggest you look into this belief system.

I am far more at peace KNOWING that:


<span style="color:fuchsia;font-family:helvetica;font-size:x-large;">"We are God's unwanted children. So be it!" Tyler Durton</span>

[Alan]

Hey, there is no real physical proof for God, unless you cant a global flood and the dinosaur graveyards, large things like grand canyone being made and so on with the cataclismic effects of things.

Unless you experience some type of demonic activity of the 'needing exorcism' degree then I guess there is no way to prove God exists, other than the fact that if we cannot create absolutely new ideas and we needed certain things imprinted on us first, then we would need a creator.

New things only come from: acts of God, accidents, or by taking pieces of different puzzles and fitting them together. If you take a child and 'learn them' nothing from birth untill age 8 up to that age they will know certain things, but if you started talking to them, and did somehow communicate with them, if SOMEHOW you got them to try and create absolutely new thoughts of their own it is not possible. In learning the past its the only way we can create semi-new. By fitting puzzles together to create.

I will entertain this argument, how did we come up with gravity- by observation and curiosity, angles of a triangle always adding to 180? If this is always true and always has been where did the idea come from? Either accidnet, God, or experiment.

By just thinking one cannot create a completely new musical tune in ones mind, give it a try, notive how you always hum to a tune known?

So if we did come from God then not being able to create absolutely new thoughts wouldnt amtter since we would already have some basic 'instincts'. Like comon, how can a venus flytrap over 'miiilions' (might as well say, once upon a time) of years learn to eat fliies? Why dont fruit flies continue to evolve dispite being the same for so many thousands of generations, because evolution on the scale of speciation doesnt happen.

Thats, right doesnt happen. So if we cant create completely new, God is the guaranteer of thoughts that seem completely crazy, unless it comes by experiment.

If you go back a couple thousand years, just read Plato on his accounts of arguments with Socrates and the like, they speak as if they were born 30 years ago, yet without the knowledge that comes from experimentation, acceident, and 'acts of God' though all acts of God may be takes by accident by atheists.

Thats my idea of a minor proof for God, or experience demonic things, which I havnt yet, if it does happen, Im a little skeptical, but if it does happen and I experience knowing or seeing in true evil in the world in the form of that, then I will certainly be able to tell others first hand proof of the existence of a true evil and true good in all things.

Im off again for a few days, busy times.

Alan

[annabelly]

Ta-Ta then.

Now where were we?

[DontBeAfraid]

I was just saying that if alan wants to debate evolution he should stick his head in a hole....

[Bigsky770]

Like the 'Energizer bunny' - - - he keeps going and going and going. . . . . :eek:

Joe (Bigsky770)

[mickydoolittle]

Grand Canyon...Dinosaurs...Global Flood?

You clearly did not study geology.....

And what does god have to do with dinosaurs?

First, catacylsmic does not describe the grand canyon. Nature and natural forces describe the grand canyon.

Secondly, a global flood is so completely illogical, that it defies even the lowest form of thinking.

In short:

The earth has a crust.

This crust is made of many plates.

These plates move due to forces of convection. This movement causes the edges of the plates to overlap...riseup...and create mountains.So, what happens when one plate is thrust against another plate? One of the plates rises...so, what was previously the bottom of the ocean--the ocean floor, is now a mountain range in Nepal. Thus you have seashells on top of Everest. :evil:

Think alan. It does a body good, because a mind is a terrible thing to waste. And you appear to be wasting your's with every breath you take. You might as well be sittin' on your ass smokin' weed every day....for all the 'good' you're doin' yourself.

And, it's good that you're leaving, perhaps you'll return AGAIN, after studying some type of formal education.

You owe it to yourself to L-E-A-R-N.

There is no proof for god--that's why christianity is a FAITH religion. You have faith god is out there, not proof.

There is no doubt that some dude named Jesus walked the earth--there is plenty of doubt regarding his being the son of god. No one doubts that he was around, but plenty doubt whether he performed the feeding of the multitude with a fish and five loaves of bread (those who know may correct me on the above parable). Jesus H Christ, get real...feeding 5,000 ppl with that..come on...how logical is that alan?

"I will entertain this argument, how did we come up with gravity- by observation and curiosity, angles of a triangle always adding to 180? If this is always true and always has been where did the idea come from? Either accidnet, God, or experiment."

Entertain this alan:

No motherfuqer, mathematics allowed humanity to express this fact. See, that is the ONE thing in the UNIVERSE that remains constant...numbers--mathematics.

"By just thinking one cannot create a completely new musical tune in ones mind, give it a try, notive how you always hum to a tune known"

H-O-R-S-E-SH-I-T.

Bach, Bethoven, Mozart. Strauss...they all CREATED NEW music. Now, have you ever heard Blink 182, TuPac, Snoop, ColdPlay, KISS, Ozzy, George Jones? They all created NEW music with
their talent....granted they may have sampled other artists, but it's new music.

yea gods...

Annabelly, I am very happy when ppl start thinking outside the box and understand what they are made of...So, yea, I am very proud of those who have the tenacity to reject organized religion, the structured thought of indoctrinated religion, and the regimented ideals that are instilled in all who are exposed to said religion...I say good for them and shame on you for putting them down when they admit thinking for themselves.

In short...don't piss on their shoes and proclaim god is sending them rain.

"micky 'I'm an opinionated bastard' doolittle".
-MD-

And this is a response to only the glaring errors that I saw....

[annabelly]

Quote

"Annabelly, I am very happy when ppl start thinking outside the box and understand what they are made of...So, yea, I am very proud of those who have the tenacity to reject organized religion, the structured thought of indoctrinated religion, and the regimented ideals that are instilled in all who are exposed to said religion...I say good for them and shame on you for putting them down when they admit thinking for themselves."

Um sorry...who was I putting down....myself?

I love people who only half heartedly read the contents of other posts cause they are breaking their necks to talk AT US not WITH US.
Try to concentrate when you read DBA. No further comment.

Cept maybe :p

[mickydoolittle]

but,

"I love people who only half heartedly read the contents of other posts cause they are breaking their necks to talk AT US not WITH US.
Try to concentrate when you read DBA. No further comment."

I'm not DBA. HAHAHA! :evil: :rolleyes: :evil:

How do your words taste? Because they've been thrown back in your face... ;)

and..oh yeah... :p

"micky 'I'm an opinionated bastard' doolittle".
-MD-

HA! :evil:

[anabelly]

Yup you got me...I realised after I posted that I wrote DBA not MLD.

Irrespective of my typing error...and quite unlike you, I am still more interested in what you said than what your internet nickname is.

Nice gloating by the way....very uplifting. :p

Now back to the question.....do you ever read what people actually say...apart from re-reading your own posts that is.

[geedubyah]

That's all he does is what you see--although, smart..he doesn't use it very constructively.

Yeah, I don't know...
geedubyah

[mickydoolittle]

Who is:
"I realised after I posted that I wrote DBA not MLD"

I'm MD...if that helps.

HA! :evil:
-MD-

[mickydoolittle]

"Oh God...you atheists do love to applaud yourselves. You are virtually a religion of your own. I think its called The Church of Hatred and Cynicism.

Sogroovy...I don't want to harm your "recovery" from the "depressing" influence of God, but try to be a bit more measured in your initial response to "break free" from him.

He said "Beware of false prophets" (including those standing around at the time.) Don't depend so literally on the bible, and its respective authors. Think about how modern journalists constantly stuff up news reports.
Jesus DID exist, whether he was the son of god or a prophet, and none of his reported deeds were criticizable - everything he did was good, loving and in the best interests of humanity. He was forgiving even to those that hung him on the cross, and hey - he was representing his DAD!

Give God a break.

MY God has all the qualities cited above, otherwise I wouldn't bother with him."

Why should we--in inferior humanity, give an alleged 'superior' being a break? What do we have to offer it?

Come on--think outside YOUR box....all 10" of it! :evil: HAHA!

PHHHBBBTTTT! :p

"micky 'I'm an opinionated bastard' doolittle".
-MD-

[annabelly]

Hmm...oh dear....

I once became a little frustrated in my conversations with evilwill....till someone pointed out he was 15 years old.

Please....someone tell me MLD is 6.

Cut and paste is fun in kindy....but this forum is hopefully a bit past that.....try to keep things in context MLD.....we're not kiddies throwing paint balls ... and you know what I mean, so don't keep being a dill.

Unless of course you are 6....in which case..go for broke. :evil:

[mickydoolittle]

I know exactly what you meant--which is why I called you on the carpet.

You made a blanket statement only to have it blown back in your face repeatedly. It appears you are not comfortable with humbling experiences, thus the diatribe on underaged males...which is interesting for its own reasons.

Now, would you like to discuss your fascination with underaged males?

Perhaps a new thread would suffice? :rolleyes:

"micky 'I'm an opinionated bastard' doolittle".
-MD-
:evil:

[annabelly]

No old chum....you were determined to "inflict" a "humbling" experience......but er...duh...this is the internet...its like the telephone..it makes us all v.brave, oppinionated and invincible.

Anyone who could be "humbled" using a false name, and talking to complete strangers really does have a problem. Anyone who thinks they could "humble" someone via the internet has possibly an even bigger problem.

Regarding your inference to my interest in underage males.

Well you poor sad little fella...there is really nothing that need to be said to you ever again....Is there?

[mickydoolittle]

And, considered yourself humbled....regardless of whether you have the cognizance to recognize it or not.

You KNOW I'm right...even if you don't admit it here.

"micky 'I'm an opinionated bastard' doolittle".
-MD-

[evilwill88]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I once became a little frustrated in my conversations with evilwill....till someone pointed out he was 15 years old.[/quote]

And I intend to stay frustrating for many more years.... :D

As for Alan. I think you have too much faith in god and not enough faith in humanity.

[dutchie]

Annabelly, don't be such a granny...
MD, be a bit less of a bastard to some of us.
Will, be annoying up to your 80th birthday.
SoGroovy, lighten up, and print your Tyler Sig in max 10 pts.

Dutchie, go f.ck yourself.

[evilwill88]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Will, be annoying up to your 80th birthday.[/quote]

I shall be anoying until I am 88. May the cynicism never die.

Back on topic.....

Alan. Just because we don't know the answers for everything, doesn't mean we have to label the cause as super natural.

HUMANITY has done many great things. People have spawned many great ideas that have benefited and shaped our society.

We are very capable of having original though and we do not need 'god' to think for us.

Whatever made you think otherwise?

[DontBeAfraid]

Anne do you think I also dont read the posts I respond to, or was it an honest typo?

If I dont read a post I make it quite clear that I dont.

Dutchie please dont think that joke in the lol topic was just for you.... it was for all.

[dutchie]

then... then... go f.ck yourself!!!

There! I said the 'F'-word. Feel sooo much better...:cool:

[sogroovy]

I am lightening up; hence:

<span style="color:red;font-family:times new roman;font-size:xx-small;">"we are God's unwanted children. So be it!" Tyler Durton</span>

[sogroovy]

over 700 sees, 7 pages, enough B.S. to fertilize the garden of Eden (Alan would relate).

Maybe it is not so bad that:

<span style="color:orange;font-family:century gothic;font-size:medium;">"we are God's unwanted children. So be it!" Tyler Durton</span>

and as a celebration:

<span style="color:yellow;font-family:georgia;font-size:large;">"colonics for everyone!" Jeffrey Goynes</span>

[annabelly]

Sogroovy is not a depressed soul living alone in New York.

Sogroovy is actually......

BILL GATES!!!

and all he ever wanted to do............

was WIN!!!

Boy did we take the bait or what? :mad:

[sogroovy]

you want me, don't you baby.:cool:

It's obvious, but still:

<span style="color:red;font-family:helvetica;font-size:medium;">"we are God's unwanted children. So be it!" Tyler Durton</span>

[evilwill88]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"we are God's unwanted children. So be it!" [/quote]

How does a supposed male give birth to us?????

[dutchie]

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Sogroovy is actually...... BILL GATES!!!
and all he ever wanted to do............was WIN!!!
Boy did we take the bait or what?[/quote]

The BASTARD!!! By God, I'll BAN you, you , you....

eehrm, you could of course always consider sending me some money...

[sogroovy]

no. I won't send you $, but the next version of Windows will be everything you ever wanted; then, you can send ME some money. In the mean time be aware that:

<span style="color:blue;font-family:courier;font-size:medium;">"we are God's unwanted children. So be it!" Tyler Durton</span>

[dutchie]

Aahhh..<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I won't send you $, but the next version of Windows will be everything you ever wanted[/quote]...So Bill Gates IS SATAN!!!! (this is the most profound lie I've ever heard...)

[lotrfan553455]

Hey SG, can you send me Longhorn? Me want longhorn,
I don't want to wait until 2005-2006.:| :p

[dutchie]

Allright everyone, Back To Topic!

SG, we can only hope we joked you out of your bad mood. Keep the faith, albeit it's something completely different...;)

[sogroovy]

I do feel better and less burdened now that i have surrendered ideas I had about what God is and does. It comes to be that anything I think about God is just plain old fears that I have been fed since childhood. I am becoming aware that God can only be experienced and that anything I could conceptualize about God is so finite. As a matter of fact the same concept of God as an experience limits me from the very experience of God or whatever we define as God. I do believe that there are powers that transcend the human powers of creativity and I do see eveidence for order and design in the universe, but in the understanding of it I lose the experience of it. I am one of God's unwanted children because to limit God to a wanting God is the true blasphemy. God is God and does God... I can either be in God or trying to please an idea of God which amounts to being in my head. I don't want to be in my head any longer I want to do the things that life offers without a thought process getting in the way of joy. Therefore, I am beginning a celebration a praise to the fact that:

<span style="color:red;font-family:century gothic;font-size:large;">"We are God's unwanted children. SO BE IT! Tyler Durton</span>

[Two Socks]

Do I have your attention?

To BElieve or not to BElieve...That is the eternal question. :rollin:

:lol: I crack me up.

[dutchie]

Meaning?

[Two Socks]

I make myself laugh--"I Crack me up"

What is so hard to understand about that post?

[dutchie]

Sorry, I am Dutch. Some of the expressions you people use slam the brakes before reaching my grey cells. That's all.

[Two Socks]

It is a play on words of a quote from a Shakespeare play.

To be or not to be. I took it a step further, and parlayed it into:
To BElieve or not to BElieve....

Get it now?

[dutchie]

It is a play on words of a quote from a Shakespeare play.

To be or not to be. I took it a step further, and parlayed it into:
To BElieve or not to BElieve....

Get it now?

Oh, but THAT one was clear straight away, It was the "cracking up", that had me in the dark... (BElieve it or not...)

[JDMacaB]

The reason you are feeling this way is because God isn't real. You have been chasing your imaginary tail. Do you think that a loving God would create us to live with problems? Don't you think that a loving God would create you into heaven automatically instead of making you go through a bunch of crap on earth first? Why would a loving God create an enemy, not only to himself, but to all of mankind. Look at nature. Do trees die in the virgin forests because of sin? Why would God curse all of life because of one man's sin? Have you ever watched the national geographic shows and seen animals trade sex for food? Is that something they learned from humans? Did God or satan teach them that? Of course not! If you have read the bible, then you should know that there is no fear in love. Well then how come every christian fears God? If God was really real, obviously he wouldn't be a loving God. It seems to me that christianity is just a way of controlling the mass population. Religions are constructed in a very strategic way, to have a powerful effect on the human emotions and mind. So you see that religion is a tool for a shepherd, good or bad, and the shepherd is whoever has the most power at the time in a given area, for whatever purposes. Most of the shepherds are blind, striving to do what they believe is good, motivated by false beliefs about afterlives. Some have ill intentions. Lets pretend that the story of the apple in the garden of eden is real. To me, the bible is the apple, and life is the garden of eden, and your highest self / intuition / God is saying, "Don't eat the apple, you don't want to have knowledge of good and evil and spoil your experience in the garden of eden." Satan / fear / your lowest self is saying, " eat the apple, that's all you need, reject the mysterious adventure, this miracle called life is not good enough, lets hide in a cave. " Life lived well will feel like an eternity, but it takes some effort learning to live in the moment, not waiting to live while anticipating an afterlife, which to me, seems selfish and unappreciative. One thing that will always be universal is the golden rule - treat people how you want to be treated. I do not recommend always obeying this rule, because if you do, then you might end up poor, or living with some disgusting woman as your wife. Think about it. Also, if you want something, you need to get it, work for it, take it, do whatever you have to, but don't wait for it to fall from the sky. Create your own heaven on earth. ; - )

[Nu Kua]

One thing that will always be universal is the golden rule - treat people how you want to be treated. I do not recommend always obeying this rule, because if you do, then you might end up poor, or living with some disgusting woman as your wife.

How so, exactly?

[badhabits]

This has been a great thread. I have been there...way. Something that helps me is to realize that IMHO God is a Dad. I've seen miracles...seen too many things to doubt or wonder re: Who exists. That He's/Thems is a personal God and UNIVERSALLY so. The rest is up for grabs and I've been a believer since I could believe. "Our Father", Jesus said. This is the context for all belief...whether you do or not. This is something I've had to wrestle with my entire life because Dad was quiet, cold, Baptist minister and Mom was whack. But, once I had a son of my own...things changed. If He is Daddy, not just voice-in-the-sky ala Monthy Python, then OUR IMAGE of Him has to change...regardless of emotions...the fact remains that I would NEVER give up my son...or reject him ever. Start with that.
I do feel better and less burdened now that i have surrendered ideas I had about what God is and does. It comes to be that anything I think about God is just plain old fears that I have been fed since childhood. I am becoming aware that God can only be experienced and that anything I could conceptualize about God is so finite. As a matter of fact the same concept of God as an experience limits me from the very experience of God or whatever we define as God. I do believe that there are powers that transcend the human powers of creativity and I do see eveidence for order and design in the universe, but in the understanding of it I lose the experience of it. I am one of God's unwanted children because to limit God to a wanting God is the true blasphemy. God is God and does God... I can either be in God or trying to please an idea of God which amounts to being in my head. I don't want to be in my head any longer I want to do the things that life offers without a thought process getting in the way of joy. Therefore, I am beginning a celebration a praise to the fact that:

<span style="color:red;font-family:century gothic;font-size:large;">"We are God's unwanted children. SO BE IT! Tyler Durton</span>

[midnight21]

It's too bad when people lose faith... but it's your choice. The bible states clearly that you're free to choose god or not to. but whatever path fits you best then by all means, go with your gut. Wish you the best of luck!

[pastorjoel]

There is God anywhere and everwhere which we do not see. God is good and great. Thanks.

[teray2009]

It's not good to say that if you are in deep pain, problems and you sufferred sickness you can say that there's no God already. God gave us this kind of tragedies to measure if how deep is our faith with Him. It's a challenge for us if how we can handle this kind of problems and how we can overcome it.