Christianianity Becoming a Hate Crime?

[LC Jeffries]

To have a Christian Point of View these days may lead to jail. I guess I'll be writing from prison. :uh:


http://www.cwfa.org/articledisplay.asp?id=5755&department=CFI&categoryid=family

[Godsgifttomankind]

To have a Christian Point of View these days may lead to jail. I guess I'll be writing from prison. :uh:


Are you having Bad Thoughts?

[DontBeAfraid]

You support hate crimes LC?.... Or are you saying christians support hate?.... You hate gays LC?...... If you answered No to these questions then you have NOTHING to worry about.... If you are truely worried then you are a biggot, just like the auther of the article.... Dont preach to me hater.

[RavenWhitefang]

If we substitute another religion in place of christianity in that article, say islam, just as many people would get pissed off about it.
Articles like this are the things that breed hate in the religious classes. Its almost as if the media is the bully and they have to pick one of the kids on the play ground to push around, this time it was the christians.
Ive heard and had to deal with this kind of thing daily with my pagan beliefs, I dont go out and deliberately destroy another persons property, pride, etc so I have nothing to worry about from these hate mongering jackasses.

[DontBeAfraid]

This article was written by a christian Raven.... One who likes to pretend he/she is some kind of victim.... One who finds imaginary persecution in their bigoted veiws....

[RavenWhitefang]

Yeah I noticed that. Reminded me of the vandalism on the jewish temple in france, which was done by a jewish man.

[dutchie]

Lori, starting a thread is one thing, but giving no response to the people that take the trouble posting in it, is not the christian thing to do, IMO...

In my experience there are a lot of so-called Christians that rage about any social or political issue with near-fascist thesises, who - upon receiving the counterattack they beg for, cover themselves up with a christian sauce.. Especially racist or extreme rightwing propaganda are favourite, I noticed.

:burnin:

[Doomer]

Around here, any business that advertises with a Christian theme is to be avoids like the plague because they are the worst thieves you'll ever deal with.

[40oz]

There are three different types of Intelligence in the world,
The first being Natural or gifted, It isn't hard for this individual to learn and excel at academics and other areas of higher learning.

Second there is the determined hard working intelligence where an individual has to be diligent in his studies and exercise his or her mind to achieve a higher level or beyond the normal variables of Intelligence. With hard work and patience this individual can gain a level somewhat equal to if not surpass the gifted type (doctors, Lawyers, etc.)

Thirdly there is Doomer. Wherein there is no hope for something as little as common sense. That is by the way a very fitting name for yourself.


* This is merely speculation, aside from the third bunch which is in fact, a fact.

[Defiant Noquisi]

Lori, expressing your views is one thing, acting on them in a malicious way is another. If christians really followed their bible then they would not have hatred towards another who is different. However, its not against the law to hate someone and I hope it never is. Unfortunately thats not true (christians "loving" their neighbor) and we went at it in another thread about this. You posting how you felt was one thing, suggesting what should happen was quite another and is what upset me about your post. Think of way back when, when all the christian KKK guys felt justified commiting the violence they did to black people.

I could get all bent out of shape and gripe that gays, other people of color, etc. get preferential treatment over Indians which is true. But what good would it do? Its not solving anything and it isnt doing anything to even remotely improve the situation.

Dont go to jail, put that energy into fighting against stoopid bs like it becoming illegal to not like someone.

[LC Jeffries]

Hi Dutchie,

Thanks for wondering where I've been. :grin I've been too busy to respond, been doing the mommy thing. Don't always have time to respond.

I posted this, because, I feel that are freedom of expression and speech is seriously being tested at this time. Yes, I believe that everyone has the right to say what they want. This has nothing to do with the Gay/Lesbian issue.

This has to do with our Freedom. Already people are trying to crack down on Freedom of speech in churches. Any religious group should be able to minister to their church members without government interference.

Many churches offer pamplets on the canidates who are running for office and many of the groups don't like this. They use the excuse to try and take away The Not For Profit, status from those churches. In a way it's to control what churches are preaching about including the biblical view of homosexuality. Churches do have the right to preach even about politics. It's their right to do so here in the US. At least for now. Many churches minister to the gay community and many in the community end up leaving the lifestyle. Many in the community are now Christians. Certain groups don't like this.

Already this law has been passed in Canada and many other countries. Religious freedom, because of this law, is slowly but surely being chipped away. Before you know it to, preach in Jesus's name will become illegal. (He did say this would happen.)

Freedom of the Press will be taken away, etc.

The Very foundation of our nations laws are the Bill of Rights. Many would gladly start taken them away. Hopefully not in this generation, but you never know.

That is the reason for this post. I thought about posting in politics, but I felt this could fit in both areas.

Again Dutchie thanks for the concern. I don't know how you feel about prayer, but please everyone pray for all those in the path of Ivan.

We are in for it if it makes it up here. My Uncle actually stayed in Florida when Frances came thru. I hope he will leave this time.

We thankfully made it thru Frances, didn't loose power once. But Ivan, if it hits the coast even as just a Cat 3 we will be in deep doodoo. :Llol: :pray:

[dutchie]

Lori, you talk of the freedom of speech. Then you say that the church too has the right to say anything it wants, political statements, the "biblical" "view" on homosexuality etc. etc. Would you also allow a church whose members run around naked with swastikas tattood on their arses and claim their God given right to impale jews and blacks, just because there is "freedom" to do so?!?

So... WHEN, oh WHEN does a church END being a CHURCH, and start being just an ordinary ADVOCACY GROUP?!?

IMO a church is a BUILDING where people come to meet their God, and talk to eachother about their faith, not to win souls for some political party.

Alcohol and traffic do not mix.
Religion and politics do NOT MIX.
RACISM, BIGOTRY AND RELIGION DO NOT MIX.

Jesus would be ashamed of you, Lori, I am pretty sure he would be. Take it from an agnostic.

[dutchie]

To have a Christian Point of View these days may lead to jail. I guess I'll be writing from prison. :uh:

So bigotry, racism, prejudice and hatred are Christan Points of View?!?

[DontBeAfraid]

You took the workds right outta my mou.... errr, post, dutchie....

LC, There are differences between a religion and a political party....

LC, You wish that christians were being persecuted, but this is not the case.... People are just pushing BACK now, Dont tell me what jesus said because jesus said to keep your religion to yourself...... in the closet.

[LC Jeffries]

I beg to differ sweetheart,

Mark16:15 Clearly states, "Go ye into all the world and preach the gospal to every creature." If that's not clear enough to you, I don't know what would be.

Dutchie this ones for you.

Luke 18:

1Then Jesus told his disciples a parable to show them that they should always pray and not give up. 2He said: "In a certain town there was a judge who neither feared God nor cared about men. 3And there was a widow in that town who kept coming to him with the plea, 'Grant me justice against my adversary.'
4"For some time he refused. But finally he said to himself, 'Even though I don't fear God or care about men, 5yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will see that she gets justice, so that she won't eventually wear me out with her coming!' "
6And the Lord said, "Listen to what the unjust judge says. 7And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? 8I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?"

[dutchie]

Then Jesus told his disciples a parable to show them that they should always pray and not give up.

And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?

Great quote, Lori, Thanks. I only fail to see what this has to do with the subject at hand?!? Surely you can't be serious that the person that was arrested in your first post can expect God to personally come to bring him justice quickly?

Obviously the parabel was told to show the disciples to always pray and not give up. So why rip it out of its own context?

I must be growing old, or my intelligence is failing me... I just don't get it.. :dork: :alcoholic :crazy:

[LC Jeffries]

This actually is subtitled the Parable of the Judge. It not only refers to praying, but it shows that Jesus does not mind Government and Religion mixing. But the moral of this story, is that yes the world is full of unjustice, but the True Justice always wins in the end.

[dutchie]

Well, to me it does not show this at all. If you think that you missed the point of the parabel entirely - or maybe you're even trying to twist it to your advantage - ...nah you wouldn't do a nasty thing like that, now would you Lori? Jesus said that God is different from this unjust judge, in that respect that God DOES bring quick justice to his chosen ones. That's all.

As an explanation for the fact that the judge is unjust, Jesus names his lack of fear of God and his lack of care for men.

If you read between the lines that God thinks that mixing religion and politics is OK, then take your celebral glasses to the psychiatric optician.

You might as well read between those lines that God claims the right to be unjust to the ones he did not choose.

Dissecting scripture like this, to make it say what you want it to say, is a trick that does not work with me.

[LC Jeffries]

God speaks in different ways to everyone who reads the Bible. It's not meant to be read the same by everyone. We all get different messages in it's interpatation. We often will see something in the Word that someone else doesn't see, or vice versa, you may see something I don't see. That's why Christians often get together to study the Word. Then we all can see what God is try to ascertain. That's how we all learn. As a group we can understand God's plan more.

[dutchie]

yeah, whatever... :hater:

Just admit it means what it says, Lori. This is soft-butter-blah-blah just to squeeze your way out of it.

[LC Jeffries]

:Blbl: :bubble:

Oh Well I tried. Have a Blessed Weekend Dutchie.

Have a :toast: on me somewhere nice, Dutchie.

[dutchie]

I will, Lori. And I must admit, when you exit, you exit with grace. :toast:

[DontBeAfraid]

Your qualifier was slightly misworded MD... instead of:

No not Christian points of view--just religious points of view.
You meant to type:

No, not just Christian points of view--but religious points of view.

thank me later

[dutchie]

now, now boys.... :ohmy:

[autryn2]

From Matthew Chapter 24: Jesus said... 9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.
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Those that believe in Christ and the Bible look for the beginning of this. Both the author of the article, LCJ, and myself.

The example in the article may, or may not be 'right-on' in reference to the start of the above, but for those who believe, we are justified in looking for it to start.....

Those who are 'in the world' and criticize LCJ only confirm the growing attitude of the world toward Christians. It confirms the comming fulfillment of Christs' prophesy.

LCJ... I'm on your side, sister....

[DarkAce]

Why would you think the quote would be directed towards christians? You do realize that there was no Church of Christ, Bible, and surprise surprise chritians when Jesus was to have allegedly said that right?

And since you like to take things from the bible in such a literal sense my future fundamentalist friend, it'd make more sense knowing that with the culture and politics of the region, Jesus trying to reform Judaism, wouldn't of garnered much positive support. Won't go into the why, since that would probably be too much for you too handle. Now doesn't that make more sense?

Of course it does, but it wouldn't matter much anyhow.

[autryn2]

What up, DA????!!!???

Didn't mean to stir you up so much.....

Jesus was talking TO His desciples but He was talking ABOUT the future (now thats not exactly the definition of 'literal sense', is it???). You are changing the discussion. I was explaining WHY Christians (who believe in the Bible as God's Word) look for hatred toward them from non-Christians. Notice in verse 9 where Jesus sez "you will be hated by all nations because of me". THATS the explaination.

If you want to take verse 9 of Matthew Chapter 24 in context, then take the time to read the following (especially verse 3).

1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."
3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"
4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,[1] ' and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.
9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

[DontBeAfraid]

Cut back on the scripture quotes if you dont want to end up on my ignore list.... I have tons of places where I can go to be preached to by bible thumpers if I were so inclined.

[autryn2]

If I have to put up with the cut toward Christians in your sig every time I see your reply, I think you can put up with a little scripture.... whats wrong??? Scared you might learn something????

Besides, DA was implying that I took the ONE VERSE out of context, so I took the time to bring over more (not the entire Chapter, mind you).

PS I appreciate your attitude (bible thumper)... thats a GOOD ONE!!!!

PSS I wasn't preaching at you, or anyone else.... I was explaining to the unchurched why Christians look for persecution from 'the world'. The reason is its' prophesized by Christ.

[LC Jeffries]

Hi Autie,

Thanks for the support. Please keeps us in your prayers. We are getting ready to be slammed even here in Georgia from Ivan the Terriable. Our most serious time will be from tomorrow evening into Friday. They expect us to have tornados and up to a foot of rain especially in our area right here in NW Georgia. So if you don't here from me for awhile, we more and likely won't have any power 'Captain.' :yikes: :grin

We are setting our basement up as a shelter in the event that we get tornados, which is quite possiable.

Take care and again thanks.

Lori

[DontBeAfraid]

Jesus was right.... Ivan and I are persecuting christians.....

[LC Jeffries]

All I can say is :Blbl: :drool:

[dutchie]

Heh - as a kid I went to church twice every sunday (my parents were more religious than God) and AT LEAST 3 times a month I heard Christians boast about the persecution they had to endure... And they LOVED it, the more persecution the better, because suffering for Jesus would render more "jewels in the crown" that would be worn in the afterlife...

Christians are masochists. By choice, and only because they think they'll receive some extra reward afterwards. :eww:

[autryn2]

dutchie wrote:
"the more persecution the better, because suffering for Jesus would render more "jewels in the crown" that would be worn in the afterlife"
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Well, Dutchie, you are kinda right..... this is where we Christians get the audacity to be happy about being persecuted:
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From Matthew Chapter 5:
Jesus said.....

11"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
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Christians aren't masochists... when we are being persecuted by the 'world', it is an indication that we are doing something right, eg, proclaiming the gospel of Christ (actually serving our Master Christ). Persecution comes from 'stepping out'.... sharing your belief with others who don't share your view. What good does it do to tell 'believers' about the love of God and the sacrifice of His Son Christ (other than strengthen their faith). If God has already claimed them, then the time you take telling Christians would be better spent telling non-Christians in an attempt to save another soul. Non-Christians don't like being told they are going to hell so they retaliate. Pretty simple if you think about it.

[LC Jeffries]

Dutchi, Everyone,

I received this e-mail that speaks fully the truth of Christianity. I just bet this would even give you a tear or two after reading.

Lame Man Dancing
Sharon Jaynes, Vice President of Proverbs 31 Ministry, radio co-host,
author, speaker

Have you ever sensed God calling you to do something for Him, but felt
you weren't capable? If so, you're not alone. I felt the very same way
when I sensed God calling me to work with Proverbs 31 Ministries, but he
answered my prayer and reassured me through an experience I will never
forget.

During the time when I was praying about what God wanted me to do in
ministry, my husband and I went away on vacation. On one particular
evening, Steve and I went to a beautiful restaurant filled with men and
women dressed in their very finest. In one corner of the dining area, a
four man orchestra filled the room with beautiful music. Steve and I
had taken a few ballroom dance classes and he wanted us to see if we
could remember the Fox Trot. But I didn't want to be the only ones on
the dance floor with everyone staring at me. So I agreed to go only if
more people were dancing and we could hide among the crowd.

Finally, the first couple approached the floor. They looked like
professional dancers, moving as one and never missing a beat. This did
not encourage me at all. Then couple number one was joined by couple
number two, whose steps weren't quite as perfect.

So I agreed to go.in the back where no one could see us try to make
those little boxes with our feet. As we were moving as two, I noticed a
fourth couple approach the floor. They came with confidence - no
hesitation, no timidity. But there was something very special about
this couple. The man was in a wheel chair.

He was a middle-aged, slightly balding man with a neatly trimmed beard.
On his left hand, he wore a white glove, I guessed to cover a skin
disease. Both were dressed in their evening wear, but the most
beautiful part of their dress was the radiant smiles that they were both
wearing. Their love for each other lit up the room.

As the band played a peppy beat, the wife held her love's healthy right
hand and danced with him. He never did rise from the wheel chair that
had become his legs, but they didn't seem to care. They came together
and separated like expert dancers. He spun her around as she stooped to
conform to her husband's seated position. Lovingly, like a little fairy
child, she danced around his chair while he laughed.

My heart was so moved by this love story unfolding before my eyes that I
had to turn my head and bury my face on Steve's shoulder so no one would
see the tears streaming down my cheeks. As I did, I saw that every
person in that dining room had tears trickling down their cheeks. Even
the musicians had tears in their eyes.

Then the Lord spoke to my heart in a powerful way.

"Sharon I want you to notice who moved this crowd to tears? Was it
couple number one, with their perfect steps? Or was it the last couple
who not only did not have perfect steps, but had no steps at all? No,
my child, it was the display of love, not perfection that had an effect
on the people watching. If you obey Me, I will do it for you just as his
wife did it for him."

I was reminded of my friend, Moses, in the Bible. When God called Moses
to lead the Israelites out of bondage from the Egyptians, he put up
quite a fuss. "Who am I?" Moses argued (Exodus 3:11) "I will be with
you," God replied (Exodus 3:12). "Suppose they ask your name," Moses
continued (Exodus 3:13). "I AM WHO I AM!" God replied (Exodus 14). "What
if they do not believe me or listen to me," Moses questioned (Exodus
4:1). "I will help you speak and will teach you what to say" God
reassured him (Exodus 4:12).

Moses was full of "what ifs," and God was full of "I will do it for
you's." Therein lies the key.

My steps will never be perfect, on a dance floor, or more importantly,
in life. But the Lord doesn't expect our steps to be perfect. He's
just expects us to listen to His voice, to be obedient, to take the
first step of faith, and to let Him do the rest. See, the world isn't
looking for perfect people who live in perfect houses with perfect
children. They're impressed by love. Genuine God-inspired love. That's
what moves a crowd.

That night, God sent a lame man to teach me how to dance.

"But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is
made perfect in weakness." .For when I am weak, then I am strong" (2
Corinthians 12, 9, 10 NIV).

Sorry about the length. God Bless.

[Dr. X]

Christians are masochists. By choice, and only because they think they'll receive some extra reward afterwards
Maybe some believe that. Maybe more than most. I have known Christians that "suffer" because they truly feel that God is directing them, and I have known Christians that do it for postuarity(sp?). The "masochism" is not something that is sought out, it is brought upon people, no matter what race or creed, but as Christians we believe it is a test. Ain't hard nowadays, as all you have to do is say you believe in Jesus and people start slamming. But that probobly happens to anyone that believes strongly in anything.

[DontBeAfraid]

like you just explained autryn christians seek out persecution because they like it..... it IS pretty simple.

[edit]When they dont find REAL persecution they make it up....

[dutchie]

I think the amount of Christian bashing on this forum is not too bad - most of us are really polite and respectful. If you're looking for persecution, you came to the wrong adress here. Now REAL persecution is what happened in the OLD russia, in China... You all know what I mean... years of imprisonment, torture, whatever.

Most of you that feel you are persecuted for your faith are whining sissies compared to what some believers have to endure. THAT deserves respect and "reward in heaven", not you guys, that come here, hoping to get bashed. I respect people that stand by their POV (regardless the fact that I would disagree or agree) without thinking of the consequences.

[autryn2]

Dutchie wrote: "not you guys, that come here, hoping to get bashed."
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Dutchie...... the Christians don't come here HOPING to be persecuted.
For myself, I come here hoping that, if there is a person lurking, that I might
present that person with another view other than "God doesn't Exist" or "Its all God's fault".... themes which are so prevalent here.

If a person hasn't made up their mind about the existence of God or their place
on this earth, I want them to have a chance to read that there are some on this website that believe in God and that their belief is important. That it is life changing. We are not alone. God DOES care..... but you have to seek Him.

If there are people here that don't believe me or respect my POV, I honestly don't give a flip (other than I wish you thought otherwise). Anyone's dislike of me is secondary to having the potential to reach out and help someone struggling with the truth.
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Dutchie wrote: "Most of you that feel you are persecuted for your faith are whining sissies compared to what some believers have to endure."
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Absolutely correct with two exceptions:

1) ...feel "that if" you are persecuted "here"....

2) ... to what "most" believers have to endure.

[DontBeAfraid]

Most? most would consist of the majority..... This is not persecution... what your alleged "jesus" suppossedly went through would be persecution... Thats one, im sure there were more, but the majority are people of faith are just like you. They have endured nothing for there beliefs other than people telling them they dont care to hear it. That is not persecution, its a lesson in manners.

[Wraith13]

Bigotry? Racism? Hatred? That's the pot calling the kettle black, quite frankly. You automatically assume that that I hate gays because of their choice, that I hate those not of my race because of their genetics, that I feel like I am being persecuted because I am told so by the bible. Isn't that bigotry and hatred in itself? That is making the assumption that the above crimes are limited to christians only. Get a grip, please. So we are all closed minded individuals, that is what makes humanity what it is. I don't care about your sexual orientation, I don't care about your skin color, and whether or not you are persecuting me for my beliefs is reflected in legislation by the judiciary system of America. If it happens then it happens. The catalyst will surely be those of an extremist type, and knowing how most unimformed people think, they will automatically assume the actions of a few speak for all. Honestly, that's already happened, whether you be a peaceful muslim who desires no conflict with your neighbors, or a christian getting labeled because some wacko claims to be acting 'within God's will'. If every person makes an informed and educated conclusion, then hopefully we will never have to worry about any faith becoming a hate crime, whether it be Wicca, Islam, or Christianity. But if people insist on lumping everybody into one group, regardless of indivuality, then yeah, we'll probably see something like this in the future. What will be, will come to pass.

Oh yeah, Mick, last time I checked, in America, we are all entitled to our opinion, right or wrong. Expressing one's opinion does not constitute empathy or apathy for other's view of us.

[Edge]

Oh yeah, Mick, last time I checked, in America, we are all entitled to our opinion, right or wrong.

And where do you see him disputing this? Because I can't see him claiming that Autryn2 shouldn't have an opinion - only that his is wrong. Also this is cyberspace the US consitiution doesn't have any grounds here - the site is privately owned and has its own regulations even if some may have been adopted from the server.


Expressing one's opinion does not constitute empathy or apathy for other's view of us.

What about this one "All people who say that I am a <insert sub culture/religion> are complete and utter downers who have no knowledge about the subject"

[dutchie]

Also this is cyberspace the US consitiution doesn't have any grounds here - the site is privately owned and has its own regulations even if some may have been adopted from the server.
Very true, MSM.. It's not even American, it's a Global site... :bubble:

[Dr. X]

I think the amount of Christian bashing on this forum is not too bad - most of us are really polite and respectful. If you're looking for persecution, you came to the wrong adress here. Now REAL persecution is what happened in the OLD russia, in China... You all know what I mean... years of imprisonment, torture, whatever. Most of you that feel you are persecuted for your faith are whining sissies compared to what some believers have to endure. THAT deserves respect and "reward in heaven", not you guys, that come here, hoping to get bashed. I respect people that stand by their POV (regardless the fact that I would disagree or agree) without thinking of the consequences.
LOL! Sorry to laugh, but that is sooo true! I do wonder why a Christian will get offended on the web when there are people DYING and are tortured for the cause!
Doesn't matter what you believe in, if you do believe it, you stand true and firm. And noone can dissuade you from it.

MickeyD- Respectfully, I have to point out......


No one ever blames god for their lives
Actually, ALOT of people do. Ask anyone who believes in a supreme being and has lost a loved one. That's just one facet of that situation.

they do however question the existence of a being that is purported to be as powerfully controlling and pathalogical in its jealously.
I have to say I do as well, but because I believe in that, I will retain my faith in Him.


We are alone--we always have been. It's the nature of our species--social tendencies do not remove our inherrent behavior to remain alone.
Yes, I believe we are alone to make our own decisions, but God is there with us watching. But it is not the nature of our species, as humans, to remain alone. We cannot do that. We are a social species, we rely on that to keep us sane, to feel welcomed and loved. As a species, we need that. This is documented and taught everywhere.

[dutchie]

"Alone" and "Lonely" are different concepts, Dr. X.. Aren't you now mixing up the two?!?

Furthermore, how can one feel lonely by not believing in the presence of a being one can not see, can not converse with, can not touch?!?

Although I have respect for your obviously rocksolid faith, I can not help to acknowledge the naivety you yourself admit to have.

[Dr. X]

Alone" and "Lonely" are different concepts, Dr. X.. Aren't you now mixing up the two?!?
Respectfully, if I did do that, I am not aware of it.

Furthermore, how can one feel lonely by not believing in the presence of a being one can not see, can not converse with, can not touch?!?
This part of the quote.." how can one feel lonely by not believing in the presence "...is what I'm seeing. One doesn't have to feel lonely by not believing in anything. I was referring to the fact that as a species we need contact and communication with others of our kind. It is not inherent to our kind to be alone, although there are exceptions to that rule.

Although I have respect for your obviously rocksolid faith, I can not help to acknowledge the naivety you yourself admit to have
Touche'! And that is because, by my own admission, that I don't understand why God does the things He does. I don't understand why the world is a mess, or why we must do things that are contradictory to what WE percieve things. I can go on and on about Theosophy, Bible coding, argue the sentiments of esoteric documents, but really what it comes down to is what you believe, and although historic documents are here and there for perusal and knowlegde, Christianity is held together by faith. And sometimes faith is more than enough.
I really respect ya'lls knowledge, and I learn from it. As I explore and converse with my naivite', I slowly grow out of it, ya know? But my faith is what holds my belief in check.
So....anyone watch the Simpsons lately??? :dork:

[dutchie]

Well, in my optic you qualify to be what in my book is called "A Good Christian".. :respect:

Your obviously keep an open mind towards opinions that are contradicting yours.. It's refreshing to meet someone like you on this board.

[LC Jeffries]

Respectfully, if I did do that, I am not aware of it.

This part of the quote.." how can one feel lonely by not believing in the presence "...is what I'm seeing. One doesn't have to feel lonely by not believing in anything. I was referring to the fact that as a species we need contact and communication with others of our kind. It is not inherent to our kind to be alone, although there are exceptions to that rule.

Touche'! And that is because, by my own admission, that I don't understand why God does the things He does. I don't understand why the world is a mess, or why we must do things that are contradictory to what WE percieve things. I can go on and on about Theosophy, Bible coding, argue the sentiments of esoteric documents, but really what it comes down to is what you believe, and although historic documents are here and there for perusal and knowlegde, Christianity is held together by faith. And sometimes faith is more than enough.
I really respect ya'lls knowledge, and I learn from it. As I explore and converse with my naivite', I slowly grow out of it, ya know? But my faith is what holds my belief in check.
So....anyone watch the Simpsons lately??? :dork:

Dr. X Bravo. :toast: Thank you for finding the right words to even impress the great one. Sometimes it's hard to find them.

The Left does not Lead nor the Right. But to Whom is Above truly does.
Lori

[mickydoolittle]

But it is not the nature of our species, as humans, to remain alone. We cannot do that.
We are born alone and we die alone. Again, simply because there exists social tendencies, by no means indicates that the human species is not intended to ultimately remain alone--if you're not understanding the life-socio-behavior of the typical/average human, you will not understand the logic of my posted truth.


We are a social species, we rely on that to keep us sane, to feel welcomed and loved. As a species, we need that.
We do not rely on others to feel the emotions you purport--we rely on others to provide the desired release of chemicals and hormones to make us feel better. This is nothing more than elements interacting within and with their environment.


This is taught everywhere.
Simply because they choose to imprint (teach) this on us, does not make it truth.

We will always be alone. You can not deny this--nor can anyone else.

Think about it on really simple terms: If you were an *alien* species, would you want to make contact with humans if you had observed them for only the last 200 years? Yeah. . .neither would I.

[Defiant Noquisi]

I saw an awsome bumper sticker....

God is NOT Republican..
He isnt a Democrat either.

:indec:

[LC Jeffries]

Where do Iget One? :2thumbs:

[drucilla]

We will always be alone. You can not deny this--nor can anyone else

I just find this so sad that you truly feel this way.

[drucilla]

I didn't think it was a shallow statement. I just find it sad that you think you're all alone in this world.

If I could give you back your wasted 5 minutes, I would do so gladly.

[Defiant Noquisi]

Where do Iget One? :2thumbs: I saw it on a car. I suppose I could peel it off, stick it on waxed paper and mail it to ya.

(hehehe, jes kiddin)

Theres some places that for around $2 you can make one up in a machine and it will print it out for ya.

[Edge]

I didn't think it was a shallow statement. I just find it sad that you think you're all alone in this world.

If I could give you back your wasted 5 minutes, I would do so gladly.

It was a shallow statement which was as about as pointless as a sphere. It had no relevance to the discussion and gives the impression that you just lost an arguement and tried to employ some emotional manipulation as ham fistedly as the average 16 year old girl would at the end of a relationship or an arguement about something entirely trivial.

By alone he means that there is no supream all powerful being that will smite those who do bad things and reward those who do good. In other words if there is a god of sorts its an indifferent or blind one who casts a deaf ear to the pleas of humans and the world alike.

[dutchie]

Here's a member that can actually read!! Congrats!! (no sarcasm intended!)

[Defiant Noquisi]

DAMN EDGE! No wonder teachers fear you! Excellent argument!

[Edge]

have my moments once in a blue moon.

[Defiant Noquisi]

Id like to make a special request that posts like this happen much more than that. :headbang: