Can God change his mind? [Archive] - Armageddon Online Forums

Jazman

Jul 6th, 2003, 9:09 AM

First let's assume an all powerful God.

My question then is can God change his/her mind?

Suppose there's a future event in the space time contineum that God wants to be fulfilled. Can God now change his mind and prevent that event from happening?

If the answer is yes he can change his mind does that mean in the initial stages of his plans he wasnt aware that he might change the plan in the future? After all if he knew that he would change his plan then why not change the plan initialy.

If the answer is no he can not change his mind doesnt that limit his powers?

Please don't quote scriptures and passages in your answer.

SP50

Jul 6th, 2003, 9:28 AM

God's powers are not limited......He WILL not change His mind. He is the same today as He was yesterday and will be tomorrow. Mind changing causes confusion. God is not a God of confusion.

Jazman

Jul 6th, 2003, 9:45 AM

God will not change his mind or can't ?

If you say that God can/did change his mind, then he must have not known the outcome of the scenario in the first place.

Does this not also limit his powers?

SP50

Jul 6th, 2003, 9:48 AM

I said God will NOT change His mind. He does know the outcome, but that does not limit His powers.

Jazman

Jul 6th, 2003, 9:49 AM

It almost sounds like god has no free will.

armageddononline

Jul 6th, 2003, 3:12 PM

Lol I discussed this with Alan and we agreed God can and does change his mind. That's why we get passages like:

If bretheren dwell together, and one of them die and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger; her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife. - Deuteronomy 25:5

If a man shall take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing...they shall be childless. - Leviticus 20:21

We also get passages where God is angry but then forgives... Surely that's changing your mind.

SP50

Jul 6th, 2003, 3:47 PM

:lol: There you go taking things out of context again to make your "wise" arguments.
The wisdom of man is but foolishness to God.

Godsgifttomankind

Jul 6th, 2003, 6:37 PM

This is an excellent question and really needs to be put into perspective. Is it that God can change his mind or not the imparitive question or is it to understand the perspective of the people that say that God is changing his mind?

Many times God is shown to have changed His mind in the Bible. One example is when Moses is detained coming down the mountain. The people have taken up idol worship and God is shown to be angery and Moses pleads with him not to destroy his people.

Logic tells us that an all knowing God understands the hearts of the people and has to do some demonstration to convince the people that what they do has consequences. Therefore was it God's intention to destroy the people or only to show to them that if they persisted in this manner that there would be consequences?

armageddononline

Jul 7th, 2003, 1:42 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>There you go taking things out of context again to make your "wise" arguments.[/quote] Why not provide the rest of the context to explain this?

Jazman

Jul 9th, 2003, 4:00 PM

So if you agree that God can change his mind, then surely he must have not known the outcome of the scenario in the first place.

God creates something God knows before hand how everything will turn out so if there is an undesired effect, it isn't created in the first place. To 'change his/her mind' at a later doubt would
1.) show that god was unsure or didn't know something at a prior time.
2.) make the previous choice 'wrong', making god wrong for choosing it.

Now both are impossible because God is meant to be infallible, so from the point of gaining omnipotence, god no longer really has freewill. Things happen because they have to happen that way.

So then there are only two possible conclusions from that.
(assuming god exists in the predefined way of course)

Either god answers to a higher power, because he /she can only act in a set way (set by whom?) or if it is self dictated, then not only does god lose free will, but consciousness also. *(ie, God is the universe and must obey its own rules)

*Ok, consciousness can possibly be kept, but its tricky.

See the point I'm trying to make.?

Godsgifttomankind

Jul 9th, 2003, 6:58 PM

These are most interesting in a philisophical sense but are equivilent to a piece of pottery trying to figure out if the potter started doing one thing and then changed. It is possible for us to understand that God exists and have a relationship with God. It is not however possible for a finite mind to comprehend something that is infinite. It may just be possible for God to change his mind, have freewill and be aware of the future. Miracles happen that defy the laws of nature.

DontBeAfraid

Jul 9th, 2003, 8:04 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Miracles happen that defy the laws of nature. [/quote]

Actually there is absolutely no evidence of this. All that happens is within the laws of nature even the things that defy the odds. Somebody has to win the lottery.

Godsgifttomankind

Jul 9th, 2003, 9:19 PM

This is part of an article from The Toronto Sun

Some 10,000 people witnessed a miracle in Tabriz, Persia (now Iran) when a regiment of 750 Armenian soldiers took aim and fired three volleys of 250 rounds at Mirza Ali Muhammad and a young follower of the alleged "heretic and dangerous rebel."
The gunpowder smoke from the volleys was so dense it obscured the entire courtyard of the army bar- racks.
When the smoke cleared, Mirza Ali Muhammad, known as the Bab ("Gate" in Arabic and Persian), appeared unharmed.
When the Armenian regiment refused to repeat the firing, a Muslim regiment was ordered to carry out the execution on the infamous 9th of July, 1850.
The report of the execution, written to British secretary of state for foreign affairs Lord Palmerston by Queen Victoria's envoy extraordinary and minister plenipotentiary Sir Justin Shiel, in Tehran on July 22, 1850, records:

`When the smoke and
dust cleared away after
the volley, the Bab
was not to be seen'

"When the smoke and dust cleared away after the volley, the Bab was not to be seen, and the populace proclaimed that he had ascended to the skies. The balls had broken the ropes by which he was bound but he was dragged from the recess where, after some search he was discovered and shot."
In other words, after the first attempt at execution, the Bab was found back in his cell, giving final instructions to one of his followers.

When he assumed the title of the Bab to preach social and religious reform and foretell the coming of a new age of human progress, he gained many followers, but his message aroused the enmity of the rulers, and he was arrested and finally executed by firing squad and thousands of his followers were put to death following his arrest and execution.
However, his teachings did not die, and they form the basis for the present-day worldwide Baha'i faith.
Ultimately, those opposed to the Bab argued that he was not only a heretic, but a dangerous rebel and so the authorities decided to have him executed.

This is just part of the story, the rest can be found in just about any historical reference book.

Is that 750 Lotteries?

armageddononline

Jul 10th, 2003, 11:51 AM

Well it's likely the story has been exaggerated. I mean, how could you have a firing squad of 750 guys? Also it says the air was soon filled with smoke so aiming would be very difficult. And with all the millions of firing squads that have ever happened it's statistically quite likely someone would survive one.

DontBeAfraid

Jul 10th, 2003, 1:42 PM

I agree it has likely been exagerated, in order for people to fire at one thing and not risk cross fire they have to be in a line, a very large line if its 750 people. this line would have to be quite some distance away from their target, again to not risk shooting each other. Its more than likely that they were out of the effective range of their weapons considering it happened in 1850. Its possible that one of the volleys did graze his ropes and he set off running away in the smoke. This is unlikely but not impossible. It is hardly a miracle.

Alan

Jul 12th, 2003, 8:33 PM

Mikes quote:
'If bretheren dwell together, and one of them die and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger; her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife. - Deuteronomy 25:5

If a man shall take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing...they shall be childless. - Leviticus 20:21'

I dont recall us agreeing on God changing his mind but maybe I did, its much more likely that God does things so we just believe He can be persuaded so we try to be sacraficial and helping towards others, not to mention reparation. But the above is not a change of mind.

The above is telling us that a man should marry his brothers wife if his brother dies and wife is left alone. The next just tells us that if a man marries his brothers wife (I would assume this means his brother is still alive) then they will be childless.

Oh wait, yes I recall, I we agreed that it would seem God's wrath can be lessened by things, but that if He chooses a course of action it will not be altered completely.

Take the eg of God wanting to kill everyman on earth, but then spared Noah and his family, and Noah pleaded with Him. But like Godsgift said, it is only apparent to us that He can change His mind even though He is unchanging and knows all.

We humans like black and white. Jazzman does too of course, but Jazzman says, either God is unchanging and is not all powerful, or changing and isnt perfect. There are only 2 answers for our simple minds to comprehend. Why not more you ask? Because that is all Jazzman posted, you could add this there as well...

1. We dont understand God's ways and they are a mystery to us, we only see what He wants us to see, and that is why we only have these 2 choices. I have to agree as I have stated above with Godsgift, that God shows us things like how he 'seems' to change His mind but maybe never really does, or maybe He did. I am not exacly sure, just as DBA isnt exacly sure how life on earth originated (if he is sure how, then how did a fish turn into a dog, o wait I know, magic and time!).

We could argue forever but its probly an unknown, like when did life originate, how many stars are there, how old the oldest rock somewhere on the earth is.

nimbus

Jul 30th, 2003, 2:48 AM

i'd rather think God as a supreme force in the universe. He's not human, so i don't think He thinks like us. my religion tells me that God have 2 ways to make the future : (1) thorugh event that will happen no matter what or, fates (2) through chosen probabilities.

fates are like death. if ur destined to die at 64, God will take ur life at 64, at the exact second. the chosen probabilities meanwhile is more like an interesting game to God. He lays all the ways for us, & we can pick the way to our destiny. so He doesn't make one destined to go bad, its us who chooses our destiny. anyway, if God think the game is over, He can just say the magic words & walla... everything is over...

i don't think its about Him liking His plans or not, its just maybe like a game to Him. if He thinks it should be like this, He'll just do it. if He wanna change it, He'll just change it. He can do anything...

mickydoolittle

Jul 30th, 2003, 5:53 AM

To indicate God has a mind would be to give IT a tangible part. If a being as described by the passages of 'its' word truely exists, then the infinite is incapable of containing a tangible part.

A mind is tangible and if God is the spirit that is widely touted, then there is no mind to change.

And what's this 'His' -%--%--%--%-t? Why is it a 'he'? It' is known that the men who wrote the passages claimed a male diety because women were veiwed as inferior, and a female god could not be acceptable to the petulant male writers.

Clarify your arguments....-%--%--%--%-t, I don't know why you try to explain/justify god. We are mortal and if god exists, he is supposedly immortal which throws humans off from being able to explain or understand that which we are incapable of.

Fools. The whole stinkin' lot of you....FOOLS!
"micky 'I'm an opinionated bastard' doolittle".
-MD-

evilwill88

Jul 31st, 2003, 7:02 AM

if god could change his mind he would be imperfect.......

mickydoolittle

Aug 1st, 2003, 9:35 PM

It's impossible for a perfect being to be in possession of a mind. Minds are of organic material and that is not perfect.

Fools.
-MD-

Mensa Genius

Sep 11th, 2003, 8:15 AM

YEs i agree with you on the part that God the father (absolute) can not be limited to the time, space and causition of a human mind, but you have to realise that has understands minds and their intelligence, without needing to be confined to having a mind

steven marshall

Sep 11th, 2003, 5:18 PM

From reading the bible regularly for the last 17 years, I would say that:

1. God can change his mind, depending on peoples actions and motives. There are so many instances in the old testament particularly of this. But,

2. God will not go against any law or promise he has given.

PS. Micky. I think you may need to go to an anger clinic.........hey! Lighten up a little.

mickydoolittle

Sep 11th, 2003, 11:53 PM

?????
-MD-

VegasRonin

Sep 12th, 2003, 1:30 AM

In all intents and purposes to us, GOD is Supreme (If you beleive in HIM). The Bible hints that there are other gods. GOD says something like "Thou shall not bring other gods before me for I am a jealous GOD".
I kind of equate that to me living on an island and being the only male there, and telling the women "Thou shall not bring any other males before me for I am a jealous male". If I'm the only male, how can they bring another before me? Why would I even have to bring the subject up to them? All they would know is this one male, if I brought up this jealous idea then didn't I just plant the seeds of wonder and doubt?
Maybe there is a Pantheon of Gods and our God is just in charge of this planet or solar system.

geedubyah

Sep 12th, 2003, 1:38 AM

Well,

I'm impressed ronin. That is very keen observation.

Yeah, I don't know...
geedubyah

Mensa Genius

Sep 12th, 2003, 6:02 AM

I just want to add on to what vegas ronnin said... by giving some quotes from where there is a mention of other Gods.

Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth. Exodus 23:13 (Joshua 23:7)

He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto only, he shall be utterly destroyed. Exodus 22:20 (Leviticus 17:7, Jeremiah 48:35)

And it shall be, if thou do at all forget thy God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that ye shall surely perish. Deuteronomy 8:19

There shall no strange god be in thee; neither shalt thou worship any strange god. Psalms 81:9

If we have forgotten the name of our God, or stretched out our hands to a strange god; Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart. Psalms 44:20,21

But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. Deuteronomy 18:20
.................................................. ......
And hear God mentions he is one

Hear, O Israel: our God is one : Deuteronomy 6:4

will be terrible unto them: for he will famish all the gods of the earth; and men shall worship him, every one from his place, even all the isles of the heathen. Zephaniah 2:11 (Exodus 12:12, Numbers 33:4 Jeremiah 10:11, 43:12,13, 46:25)

See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. Deuteronomy 32:39 (2 Kings 5:15, Isaiah 43:10, 44:6,8, 45:5,6,14,20-22, Hosea 13:4, 1 Corinthians 8:4-6)

And he said, God of Israel, there is no God like thee, in heaven above, or on earth beneath, who keepest covenant and mercy with thy servants that walk before thee with all their heart: 1 Kings 8:23 (Exodus 15:11, 18:11, 2 Samuel 7:22, 1 Chronicles 16:25, 17:20, 2 Chronicles 2:5, 6:14)

nivea

Oct 13th, 2003, 7:38 AM

"If I'm the only male, how can they bring another before me?"

of course they can. imagine when the girls meet u (the only male on the island), naturally they will start to think "is there other men like him?" the problem will start when they believe there must be. they'll get excited & dream of this imaginary man. when he's all they think of, won't you be jealous? i mean, here ur with a girl but she kept blurbing another man's name or saying he's much better... or worse ignores u altogether to worship this dream guy...

nivea

Oct 13th, 2003, 7:42 AM

ohh & "plant the seed of doubt". of course after the girls starts worshipping the dream guy, wouldn't u say "plss stop it, that makes me jealous..."

evilwill88

Oct 16th, 2003, 6:30 AM

How can god be perfect if he is jealous of other gods?

Sounds like he's a little kid whining:

"No! Give me all the attention."

And so much for christians going on about there being one god..... their own book is contradicting them. :rolleyes:

pastomatic

Oct 16th, 2003, 4:19 PM

James 2:19
19You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!

Psalm 82
5&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp They do not know, nor do they understand;
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp They walk about in darkness;
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp All the foundations of the earth are unstable.
6&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp I said, “You are £gods,
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp And all of you are children of the Most High.
7&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp But you shall die like men,
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp And fall like one of the princes.”
1 John 3
2Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

VegasRonin

Oct 16th, 2003, 7:48 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>they'll get excited & dream of this imaginary man. when he's all they think of, won't you be jealous? [/quote]
I think if someone gets jealous over an imaginary person then that person probably needs psychological help.

evilwill88

Oct 17th, 2003, 5:01 AM

Could you actually write something constructive instead of spewing scripture?

dutchie

Oct 20th, 2003, 7:19 AM

What I think he tries to say is that believers are like gods. But not quite. All idols are gods, but not quite. Even the devil(s) know there is only one true god.

I have asked our friend Pastomatic before if he would be so kinds as to add some comments to the scripture he pastes, but he doesn't. Next time this happens AND the scripture has no clear connection to the last post, I'll delete his post.

evilwill88

Oct 20th, 2003, 7:31 AM

Seems fair enough.

Bible scripture can be interpreted in so many different ways they hardly have any meaning.....

gods son

Oct 25th, 2003, 3:20 PM

god is too powerful to question his authority, he is the maker of all mankind and creator of life...his power is limitless. but we as the undead must make wise decisions that bring peace to others, and until that day comes to your demise, take god as your father and your saviour for the rest of your life for he will accept the unsinned and reject the sinned.

Alan

Oct 26th, 2003, 12:25 PM

'Bible scripture can be interpreted in so many different ways they hardly have any meaning..... '

Evolutionists constantly change their religion, science (not a religion) revises some theories it has, my religion sometimes gets a little concerned on interpretation and changes what it thinks certain things mean.

Whats the difference between 2 religions changing their views? They're still both religions.

I will also say science is not religion because it can be proven.

Alan

Oct 26th, 2003, 10:10 PM

How the hell would any of you know, believers or non believers whether or not God can change his mind. You couldn't even begin to hold in your mind just what God is let alone try and determine whether he can change his mind. Good on you all for your imput! It is a shame that people have to wait for scientific evidence before proclaiming the existance of something. If you are waiting for science you will never know whether God exists or not! Get a life all of you! :| :| :| If the world was an apple, we would only have a brain development of a pinhead and the rest of the apple would be what we have not and can not comprehend yet. There is very little we know about life so why you all act like you know everything?

DontBeAfraid

Oct 26th, 2003, 10:27 PM

Asking questions is not "acting like you know everything" troll. Why waste time with your imagninary god friend when you can, via science, learn something real? You should think of a user name and register troll, so that I can skip your posts in the future.

Oct 26th, 2003, 10:55 PM

Yeah you are a bright one. Yeah. |I Why insult people? Thats all you seem good at to me. Not wise for one so into science.

DontBeAfraid

Oct 26th, 2003, 11:08 PM

Statistically only 1 out of every 3000 people knows more than me..... is it you? Not bloody likely...:evil:

Oct 26th, 2003, 11:12 PM

So you do think your Gods gift?

DontBeAfraid

Oct 26th, 2003, 11:14 PM

I think you are...

Yes you are a gift sent from god to amuse me tonight....

PRAISE JEEBUS

VegasRonin

Oct 26th, 2003, 11:14 PM

Neither of you are reinforcing your ideaology in a positive fashion at the moment.:cool:

DontBeAfraid

Oct 26th, 2003, 11:16 PM

How 'bout I ideology your face VR?!?!?!

Oct 26th, 2003, 11:19 PM

Your the one with all the answers and the stinging tongue. Your the one who admitted that you are God. A walking talking encyclopedia of useless information is all you will ever be.

DontBeAfraid

Oct 26th, 2003, 11:22 PM

God is indeed useless, but you seem to need me so here i am....

Oct 26th, 2003, 11:33 PM

You have a major problem. If that is what science has taught you, wow, your really advancing. |I Smoke another one. :cool: :cool:

DontBeAfraid

Oct 26th, 2003, 11:34 PM

Well doctor.... what seems to be my problem???? Im not the one with imaginary friends.

DontBeAfraid

Oct 26th, 2003, 11:36 PM

oh oh, everyone who has posted recently lets all join the live chat.

Oct 26th, 2003, 11:40 PM

There you go assuming I have imaginary friends. Way to go scotty! |I I'm not the one who is pretending to know it all but trust me any fool can see you are the one that is full of bull. :cool:

Oct 26th, 2003, 11:44 PM

Trust me you are a fool. |I

DontBeAfraid

Oct 26th, 2003, 11:46 PM

I disagree

Oct 26th, 2003, 11:55 PM

I don't claim to be God like you thats for sure. Go on, have the final say.

VegasRonin

Oct 27th, 2003, 12:39 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>How 'bout I ideology your face VR?!?!?! [/quote]
:lol:
If only he could see me......*Heavy sigh*
Oh well, wishful thinking on my part.:evil:

dutchie

Oct 27th, 2003, 4:45 AM

I have deleted a number of post due to offensive nature (name calling) and general pointlessness.

DontBeAfraid

Oct 27th, 2003, 7:29 AM

Nothing funny I hope.

Mensa Genius

Oct 27th, 2003, 7:29 AM

I have deleted a number of DontBeAfraids posts. These posts were pointless and offered nothing other than abasing words.

DontBeAfraid

Oct 27th, 2003, 7:35 AM

There are still quite a few left? How many have you guys deleted? Or was it just the ones where I tell people to kill themselves? Please send me a message with the posts that were deemed "To cool for this board"

DontBeAfraid

Oct 27th, 2003, 7:40 AM

Ok which one of you deleted the post where I said that I dont care if fools disagree with me and please tell me how thats offensive. It seems to me that you guys deleted my arguments and left my pointless troll posts..... Whats going on here?

Ok my very vague sexual reference is gone.... come on guys, most people wouldnt have even gotten it. I do understand you deleting the one about tearing stuff up, I havent looked closely but I hope you also deleted the trolls posts that provoked my, very amusing, rebuttle.

dutchie

Oct 27th, 2003, 9:32 AM

I have not deleted any posts that had a non-offensive contence. When I think your post can be offensive to others, I'll throw it out. Same goes for anyone else: it's nothing personal.

Mensa Genius

Oct 27th, 2003, 12:34 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>There are still quite a few left? How many have you guys deleted? Or was it just the ones where I tell people to kill themselves? Please send me a message with the posts that were deemed "To cool for this board"[/quote]

Do not take it personal, I did not delete any posts which I felt might live up to the fine integrity of this forum. Your posts as well as everyone elses are very much valued without being biased against their nature as long as they contain some form of constructive criticism, and as Dutchie put it "are not offensive to anyone else"

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Please send me a message with the posts that were deemed "To cool for this board[/quote]

I have kept intact copies of your messages and I shall send them to your inbox, and you look them over again, and if you still think I was too harsh, I will forward them to my fellow Mods and if they agree with you I will gladly reinstate your remarks.

Mensa Genius

Oct 27th, 2003, 12:34 PM

mickydoolittle

Oct 27th, 2003, 11:22 PM

DBA was in all liklihood intoxicated during that round of ranting...which was of course deleted by the multitude of non-sensical censor mongers....

You can always tell the intoxicated ones--they try and take on the whole board... :evil:

"micky 'I'm an opinionated bastard' doolittle".
-MD-

PS MahnahMahnah! :rolleyes:

censor mongers

evilwill88

Oct 28th, 2003, 2:35 AM

We get kicks out of censoring you md...... :p

dutchie

Oct 28th, 2003, 4:54 AM

That's BS, Will. It's not about censorship, Micky. It's about trying to keep the discussion going in the direction where it's meant to go, and not wandering off into namecalling and BS.

armageddononline

Oct 28th, 2003, 12:07 PM

Speaking of wandering off...

So, can God change his mind?

Smersh999

Oct 28th, 2003, 12:40 PM

I believe God probably can change His mind if He so wishes, but it would seem to me that He doesn't see the need to change it.

We have no knowledge of what's happening in the whole of the rest of the universe, ie events happening on other planets and in other galaxies amongst intelligent civilisations if they exist (which I believe they do.) Judging by events that have taken place here on Earth however, perhaps He should reconsider. :o

evilwill88

Oct 29th, 2003, 3:48 AM

Hey Dutchie..... I was just kidding..

Anyway... back on topic.

If god is always right.... why would he need to change his mind?

A perfect being would have no need for change.

sogroovy

Oct 29th, 2003, 8:14 PM

Maybe God's mind and our minds are like automobiles in that even though the principles of the vehicle remain the same: one steering wheel, 4 wheels, driver seat it also changes according to the environments that they experience: Auto Bahn, asphalt roads etc, smog conditions. So while God created everything as everything changed He also adjusted and drowned a few, nailed someone or other, gave and took and now:

"we are God's unwanted children. So be it." Tyler Durton

Mark

Oct 29th, 2003, 9:01 PM

sogroovy. I really don't know what your getting at.

"we are God's unwanted children. So be it." Tyler Durton

Are we God's unwanted children, or are we the ones that have neglected him? Who has neglected the earth since day one, had all the wars and practically fought with each other? Who are the ones that bring on the pain themselves? Who are responsible for their own actions in this life? 0]

evilwill88

Oct 30th, 2003, 2:21 AM

I don't care if we are unwanted children or not. We should get on with our own lives instead of worrying about what a being that hasn't been proven to exist is doing.

dutchie

Oct 30th, 2003, 6:26 AM

More interesting: Can we change God, by altering our perception of his "mind"?? Does God change over time, following the changes in our visions and opinions on God?

evilwill88

Oct 30th, 2003, 7:34 AM

If god is perfect.... (as so many christians claim) then he wouldn't need to change. He wouldn't even have a gender.

And he most definately wouldn't be vengeful, angry, loving, caring or any of that stuff asociated with us.

Alan

Oct 30th, 2003, 8:30 PM

Because God is perfect he does not change his mind. Though at times he seems to make us think he does change his mind so we follow him more...all a matter of perception.

Alan

evilwill88

Oct 31st, 2003, 2:29 AM

perception.......

How can it all be a matter of perception when we can't even percieve god?

Alan

Oct 31st, 2003, 3:04 PM

We cant percieve God, but we can percieve things about God, that God is perfect, only an imagenary thing as we havnt made anything close to that yet.

sogroovy

Oct 31st, 2003, 6:10 PM

He changes his mind because He loses interest.
God does neglect us. He is the one with the power: if you have a garden and the garden turns to a gnarly mess because you did not put the work it needed to keep the weeds and dog s@%t from messing things up, can you blame the flowers and the grass for making a mess. I mean where does the buck stop? I say it stops with the one with the power to do something about it.
Therefore, by neglecting he shows that He changes His mind and...

"we are God's unwanted children. So be it." Tyler Durton

Alan

Oct 31st, 2003, 7:22 PM

In your burned out state you may find this an interesting read, though I do disagree with a few thigns,

www.geocities.com/davidja...index.html (http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/index.html)

Alan

DontBeAfraid

Oct 31st, 2003, 7:39 PM

SG I checked it out... dont go, its a site designed to make you feel bad about everything you do, its designed by christians to make you feel as though you are too weak to be a good person so that they might then prey on you like the chicken hawks that they are. Alan is already a -%--%--%--%--%- SG and he would like you to join him. Be strong.

Alan

Oct 31st, 2003, 7:43 PM

doesnt need explaing

Dont be a fool, dont be an ideot, get msn instant messanger, give me a shout, lets start a back and forth bantering thing in real time, I dont like these pauses, we can have a grand ol chat about space and time and the like

crazy_eng_44@hotmail.com

DontBeAfraid

Oct 31st, 2003, 7:56 PM

Im not lying SG, everything that it is human to do is apparently bad according to that site. Check it out I guess, but dont feel bad.

Alan

Oct 31st, 2003, 8:01 PM

yah thats great, target a site of salvation and say something bad about it as you normally do, but that is your nature dontbeanideot little small man

Thanks,

Alan

DontBeAfraid

Oct 31st, 2003, 8:07 PM

Why would someone need to be saved if that person wasnt bad??? Your religion says that everyone is inherently bad and needs to be 'saved' your religion tells people they are bad so that they will feel bad so that they will become weak and embrace your religion. That site, much like you, parrots your religion.

sogroovy

Nov 1st, 2003, 3:22 AM

You know, I was listening to Christian radio for a long time and what DBA says is true: Christianism is all about creating the big guilt trip and then collecting their tide. I mean, these thieves in the radio are always asking for money for this and that cause and they ONLY want money. I.E. for the hurricane Elizabeth they had these people on the radio saying NOT to send things like blankets and stuff but to send the MONEY to take them there. Before Y2K they were selling these kits that cost 2 or 3 thousand dollars that were survival supplies. And on and on and on

As a matter of fact, it is true that the stuff on evolution I heard from those freaks and I was just surfing the net and found a lot of information disproving it.

Whatever, I do think that there is a creative entity that has amazing powers and organizes but there is also evidence that:

"we are God's unwanted children. So be it!" Tyler Durton

DontBeAfraid

Nov 1st, 2003, 4:35 AM

Its ok to beleive in a god and evolution, they are not exclusive.

Alan

Nov 5th, 2003, 8:01 PM

I belive in both, except not all of evolution,

Two Socks

Nov 21st, 2003, 12:56 AM

Why must you assign a male gender to the concept of God?

dutchie

Nov 21st, 2003, 5:16 AM

Two Socks,

Alan is no longer on the board: he decided to leave.

evilwill

Nov 21st, 2003, 5:20 AM

where did Alan go?

I remember paul going nuts and leaving..... did alan do the same?

dutchie

Nov 21st, 2003, 5:32 AM

In one of his posts he said he'd walk away. Or am I mistaking Alan for Steven Marshall?

evilwill

Nov 21st, 2003, 8:19 AM

i'm pretty sure steven is still around.

It must have been Alan.

steven marshall

Nov 21st, 2003, 4:09 PM

One of the key aspects to a healthy relationship with God is learning to enjoy every situation we are placed in. As people we naturally tend to moan about an activity which we find boring or difficult. Yet Gods desire has always been that we should enjoy what he has given us, whatever it is. Does anyone agree that thankfulness and gratitude for/to God, our spouses, our children, our jobs etc.

In that vane then, let me just say that I appreciate this message board and all who write on it. I enjoy reading and writing on it.

How about looking more at the positive than the negative. Why is it that 99% of news items are about negative things. Surely there is news somewhere in the world of positive, good things.

Having fostered this attitude in my life, I find I am very rarely angry. Therefore I will never "throw my teddy out of the pram" on this forum.

God bless.