Just LOOK at the LIES!

[humanhybrid]

How can any nation stand proud or credible after killing unnessesarly people who were already poor from the sanctions that the USA imposed on them at the UN. How credible is the US before the world now. How can we ever forget the lies???? JUST look! http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3710.htm How can we trust an administration who will go to war on lie after lie and then HOLD nobody accountable??? Its Insane!! good day!

[dutchie]

I guess by electing the wrong administration. It should be a democratic process, doing that...

In other words, you did it to yourself...

[humanhybrid]

I voted the last election Nader. But if I had to do it over again Id vote Gore. In other words, I did it to MYSELF you are correct!

[Donsun]

How can any nation stand proud or credible after killing unnessesarly people who were already poor from the sanctions that the USA imposed on them at the UN. How credible is the US before the world now. How can we ever forget the lies???? JUST look! http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3710.htm How can we trust an administration who will go to war on lie after lie and then HOLD nobody accountable??? Its Insane!! good day!
This is just more antibush propaganda like what dan rather tried to do with bushs so called reserve records. I think people are finally begining to see the extremes the left will go to. Our great leader shall prevale. I said good day! :2fu:

[humanhybrid]

This is just more antibush propaganda like what dan rather tried to do with bushs so called reserve records. I think people are finally begining to see the extremes the left will go to. Our great leader shall prevale. I said good day! YES! propaganda from the lips of Colin Powell AND the chicken hawks, no need to say left or right. IT IS LIES LIES! http://www.awolbush.com/ Another lie! Bush served honorably. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3710.htm LIES!

[Donsun]

YES! propaganda from the lips of Colin Powell AND the chicken hawks, no need to say left or right. IT IS LIES LIES! http://www.awolbush.com/ Another lie! Bush served honorably. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3710.htm LIES!
They were simply misinformed by our own and others intelligence agencies. There is no intentual lying and i believe most people believe that now. I guess we will find out in a few short months. Go Bush almighty leader of the free world. :toast:

[Emerald_Dragon]

>There is no intentual lying and i believe most people believe that now.

i don't. obfuscation. Have you read James Hatfield, "The Fortunate Son" and what was done to prevent its circulation? Do you know who Carl Rove is? I think most people are awake enough to surmise that W ditched his duties to avoid drug testing. At least Clinton said he didn't inhale, W doesn't admit or deny it. Rather, he and his gang, attack the credibility of the source, not the facts presented. Did W get a new Texas driver's license, or not? Why would he get a new one instead of a re-issue? "Its good to be the Governor"


It all depends on how much information you've been exposed to. You're probably not exposed to what you need to know. But you have enough to support him, so long as you ignore the data that tells more enquiring minds, whatall happened. Its your conscious choice to ignore it.

[Dhanishta]

I just want to say that what goes around comes around. So USA be prepared for the rebound when the :Bog: **** hits the fan. What a mess its gonna be....

[Donsun]

I just want to say that what goes around comes around. So USA be prepared for the rebound when the :Bog: **** hits the fan. What a mess its gonna be....
Thats a good one considering where you are from. If it comes around to us then it will to you too. Thank you for your support in the war on terror. :toast:

[humanhybrid]

How George Bush bankrupted the war on terror

Are we safer after invading Iraq? No. Would we be safer if we'd spent the hundreds of billions the war has cost on improving our own security at home? Yes. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6900.htm
Thats a good one considering where you are from. If it comes around to us then it will to you too. Thank you for your support in the war on terror "Donsun said" You mean support for the lies and agression, death and no weopons of mass destruction

[Dhanishta]

Thats a good one considering where you are from. If it comes around to us then it will to you too. Thank you for your support in the war on terror. :toast:

I dont know what youre getting at Donsun. I am a peace loving individual who has done my share in spreading peace and I still continue to do so. I dont support terrorism if thats what you mean. But Im a realist and believe in the truth. The USA is responsible in creating the war on terror in the first place by providing weapons and money to these terrorists. This has been going on for decades now. I was merely stating an observable fact. What gets put out will come back. When the rebound comes, things will get ugly. Of course it will also affect down under but not to the extent that you Americans may receive it. Thats what I meant. :toast:

[Thor]

Does it really matter if it's the GOP or the Democrats in power? Once in power, both parties pretty much do the same thing overall. Flashback a few decades-it was the Dems who got us into Vietnam, escalated the war and the GOP who got us out.

[humanhybrid]

It does matter VOTE Kerry!

[Thor]

I dont know what youre getting at Donsun. I am a peace loving individual who has done my share in spreading peace and I still continue to do so. I dont support terrorism if thats what you mean. But Im a realist and believe in the truth. The USA is responsible in creating the war on terror in the first place by providing weapons and money to these terrorists. This has been going on for decades now. I was merely stating an observable fact. What gets put out will come back. When the rebound comes, things will get ugly. Of course it will also affect down under but not to the extent that you Americans may receive it. Thats what I meant. :toast:

"What comes around goes around" is an old American expression that does seem to be coming true regarding the weaponry available to terrorists. Unfortunately the despots we've supported in the past seem to always become our enemies in the future, there's no denying that. Big case in point- Saddam Hussein. Seems we "can't win for losing" no matter which side we choose. At the time, Iran was the big threat, then things calmed down and Iraq became the "problem".

Wonder what would happen if America were to adopt an isolationist attitude?

[humanhybrid]

Wonder what would happen if America were to adopt an isolationist attitude? There is nothing to wonder we already are, thanks to the chickenhawks and their pre emptive war tactics that they base with lies.

[Thor]

There is nothing to wonder we already are, thanks to the chickenhawks and their pre emptive war tactics that they base with lies.


Goddamn, someone actually has the right word to describe the GOP! Thank you for your honesty and your vocalizations! The U.S is appearing to be a warmongering nation, one who would go in to any country, start a war just because we can, and with what, the dispositon to conquer and destroy any entitity we are not currentlly in favor with? Seems so, are we wrong in doing so? Can anyone say "Romans"?

[lazserus]

How can any nation stand proud or credible after killing unnessesarly people who were already poor from the sanctions that the USA imposed on them at the UN.
In war people die, including civilians. War isn't under the guise of a pretty painting, but is known to be a horrible and treacherous phenomenon. War is ugly and inevitable in our world today. There are too many cultures and too many differences in ideals to avoid conflict. Civilians are not targeted, but when the enemy brings the war to its neighborhoods it's purposely putting its own people in danger. It is a well known and documented fact that the enemy in Afghanistan and in Iraq purposely built daycares connected to military strongholds. Saddam has known US tactics for a long time and used it against the US. He exploited Western weakness by showing his own barbarism. So tell me, HH - are you just anti-USA? Because there are many other nations out there who have slaughtered millions of their own people and some are being held accountable and some aren't. What of those who are not? The US is the bad guy when it holds those nations accountable, but is the US the ONLY devil? If someone steps to the task to hold other genocidal nations accountable for their methods does that one nation doing the punishing become the new demon? Your logic is flawed, my friend. There is more to the world than what is inside the box.

They were simply misinformed by our own and others intelligence agencies. There is no intentional lying and i believe most people believe that now.
I agree half way with this. It is definitely true that intelligence was flawed and weak. The major reason behind this was due to Clinton and other demos severing intelligence funding and grounding a lot of the projects. I've heard from military intel analysts who say they have much more freedom to pursue terrorists now than they did during the Clinton administration. They're very worried about Kerry becoming president because he's already made it known that he plans to do the same as Clinton. I liked Clinton overall as a President, but his administration severely hindered the US.

I don't agree with there was no intentional lying. All governments lie, and it's not accidental. Men in power lie to keep their power.

The USA is responsible in creating the war on terror in the first place by providing weapons and money to these terrorists.
If you give a stick to your neighbor to fend off a bully, are you accountable if he beats his family to death with the same stick? I'm sure there are plenty of private organizations that sold weapons to terrorists (US bound organizations), but to blame the government for openly selling arms to terrorists is pretty silly. We've sold and trained groups, but does it become our fault that those groups take on a new leaf and follow a terrorist path? Be reasonable.

Wonder what would happen if America were to adopt an isolationist attitude?
From what I remember the US was fairly isolated pre-WWI and pre-WWII. Isolation has its benefits, but economically it causes problems. An example would be if Japan got in a position where it needed the US's aid and we turned them down due to isolation. Japan could then freeze all technological exports heading to the US and in turn our economy would suffer. Isolation isn't good for the economy and it hinders economic growth.

The U.S is appearing to be a warmongering nation, one who would go in to any country, start a war just because we can, and with what, the dispositon to conquer and destroy any entitity we are not currentlly in favor with?
This couldn't be further from the truth. If the US was really a war-mongering, conquering nation then we would have attempted global domination many times in the past. The US is not the Roman Empire, nor does it really resemble it much. Read up more on the Roman Empire and the feats it accomplished and why.

Overall, I think the US needs to pull out. I've supported the war, but now it's time to bring our troops home. We can't win the Middle East. The ME has doomed itself to self destruction and I'd prefer that none of us (all countries involved in the war effort) should allow ourselves to be drug down into oblivion. We made a conscious effort to help and the overall results aren't positive enough to justify staying there.

[humanhybrid]

someone actually has the right word to describe the GOP! Thank you for your honesty and your vocalizations! The U.S is appearing to be a warmongering nation, one who would go in to any country, start a war just because we can, and with what, the dispositon to conquer and destroy any entitity we are not currentlly in favor with? Seems so, are we wrong in doing so? Can anyone say "Romans"?Yes you are right! We have almost been shoved back to prehistoric times. Stop dragging your knuckles. good day!

[Emerald_Dragon]

>Flashback a few decades-it was the Dems who got us into Vietnam,
>escalated the war and the GOP who got us out.


which tends to make me believe, that the 2 parties are used to play off one another, to further a shadow government agenda. i'll vote republican again when they go back to what I believed in them for, smaller government, less taxes, "laissez-faire".

This current administration has to go, cutting education while "leaving no child behind" is another LIE, in a series of many. This war is costing us too much. Get out while its recoverable.


>It does matter VOTE Kerry!

It doesn't matter. Vote Kerry.
A vote for Bush would be saying, "I like being lied to, may I have another?"
A vote for Kerry would be saying, "I know you're going to be just like Bush, but at least entertain me with your fence-sitting, and pass the ketchup"

Its no wonder people don't vote anymore.

[Donsun]

I dont know what youre getting at Donsun. I am a peace loving individual who has done my share in spreading peace and I still continue to do so. I dont support terrorism if thats what you mean. But Im a realist and believe in the truth. The USA is responsible in creating the war on terror in the first place by providing weapons and money to these terrorists. This has been going on for decades now. I was merely stating an observable fact. What gets put out will come back. When the rebound comes, things will get ugly. Of course it will also affect down under but not to the extent that you Americans may receive it. Thats what I meant. :toast:
What i am getting at is it does not matter what you believe or do. Your country is supporting the war on terror so they will hate you too no matter what you say or do. The terrorists dont see you as an individual they would kill you just the same. I think your country is more prone to a terroist attack because of its geographic location. Don't worry though you have the most powerful country with the greatest president ever to watch your back. :prty:

[humanhybrid]

Don't worry though you have the most powerful country with the greatest president ever to watch your back. Donsun your scareing me. There is more people with a knife in their back because of the trust that was given to Bushatola. :dork:

[Donsun]

Donsun your scareing me. There is more people with a knife in their back because of the trust that was given to Bushatola. :dork:
First of all i dont know what a bushatola is. Secondly i was only kidding around about GWB being the best president ever. I do believe he is the less of two evils thats why he has my vote. Oh and by the way i have two votes because my girlfriend votes for whoever i tell her to. She trusts my judgement. I said good day. :dork:

[lazserus]

This current administration has to go, cutting education while "leaving no child behind" is another LIE, in a series of many. This war is costing us too much. Get out while its recoverable.
I've been waiting for this moment for a long, long time. ED, I agree with you 100%. As far as military operations, Bush has been pretty damned good, but his country-side policies have been insanely horrible. I think it was the 2nd year in office when he cut all college funding by a significant ammount and also killed several scholarship programs. At the same time, Bush is no quitter, even if it means pain. I personally think it's time to bring everyone home and let the ME deal with their civil issues. If we stay in too much longer then we're asking for serious problems.

[Moishe3rd]

I've been waiting for this moment for a long, long time. ED, I agree with you 100%. As far as military operations, Bush has been pretty damned good, but his country-side policies have been insanely horrible. I think it was the 2nd year in office when he cut all college funding by a significant ammount and also killed several scholarship programs. At the same time, Bush is no quitter, even if it means pain. I personally think it's time to bring everyone home and let the ME deal with their civil issues. If we stay in too much longer then we're asking for serious problems.

If we leave, we are also asking for serious problems.
Sticking our American head in the sand did not do us much good on 9/11.
There is a small, slim chance that a modern Islamic State may be created in Iraq.
This would create a base and an atmosphere for Islam to reform itself.
The status quo is that torture; murder; barbaric mass slayings; beheadings; suicide bombers; mayhem death and destruction of Islamic Fascist Death Cults will grow and perpetuate itself if left to its own devices..
That presents a bleak picture for civilization.
It's got to be stopped.

[humanhybrid]

If we leave, we are also asking for serious problems.
Sticking our American head in the sand did not do us much good on 9/11.
There is a small, slim chance that a modern Islamic State may be created in Iraq.
This would create a base and an atmosphere for Islam to reform itself.
The status quo is that torture; murder; barbaric mass slayings; beheadings; suicide bombers; mayhem death and destruction of Islamic Fascist Death Cults will grow and perpetuate itself if left to its own devices..
That presents a bleak picture for civilization.
It's got to be stopped. What must be stoped, is the meddling in the middle east. Here we go again arming rebels and then later takeing them out at the expense of innocent civilians. Perhaps what Islam needs to reform is the radical, fanatical religious killers of humanity, the same goes for Israel and the jew who could cause much more harm to humanity than anyone in the middle east. The only people doing and making torture; murder; barbaric mass slayings; death and destruction are the Americans and the coalition of the willing. And the Iraqis are retaliating. Are you against retaliation "rebellion" if some country invades your neighborhood? Or would you be a whimp? good day! PS; Remember, Kuwait has always been a wealthy part of Iraq!

[lazserus]

The only people doing and making torture; murder; barbaric mass slayings; death and destruction are the Americans and the coalition of the willing.
I'm not sure what rock you've been living under, but it's time to crawl out, see the sun and smell reality. Terrorism is VERY real and is happening all over the world daily. I don't know how you can say the US is the only people involved in death. You're seriously sheltered if you think nothing was happening in Iraq before the invasion, or anywhere else in the ME for that fact.

[Emerald_Dragon]

>I've been waiting for this moment for a long, long time. ED, I agree with you 100%.

:grin, yeah, we've had too many differing viewpoints. I'm sure we'll have more, but for now, we are in agreement.
We should leave Iraq. We did what we came to do.


>If we leave, we are also asking for serious problems

"...and if we stayed it would be double"
We're not looking out for ourselves, we're looking out for Israel. Even the Generals have said it.

Was it Cheney or Perle who said something about Iraq taking 2 weeks and 10,000 soldiers to vanquish?


>Sticking our American head in the sand did not do us much good on 9/11.

it was allowed to happen to get us into this mess. the Pearl Harbor of our generation. state sponsored terrorism. it has happened all through history. Even Hitler was connected to the Reichstag burning which flamed the fears that later enslaved and doomed the German people. I'm not saying W planned 911, neither am I saying Hitler planned the Reichstag. I'm saying it was allowed to happen. Too many knew about it, only a few tried to stop it, some profited from it, and still more, benefitted from it. But we are all going to pay for it.

Why do I think this? Because Sibel Edmonds, Daniel Ellsberg, Colleen Reed, Robert Smith, and many others are coming forward saying it was on the agenda. Cheney and Wolfowitz were even signatories of the PNAC mission statement, correct me if I'm wrong. Some have died unusual deaths [John Kokal, David Kelly] who could have said something to counter the LIES. Even the 911 Commission stated that OBL's motive for 911 was in reaction to the placement of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia. Our troops are there to guarantee the flow of oil from SA and to help support the existing Sheik, per agreement with FDR from way back when. If SA didn't play ball, we'd remove our troops and his kingdom would have their civil war. IMO. So, they sell us oil and we keep them in power.



>I'm not sure what rock you've been living under,

I think HH is here to make the "Left" look bad.