Foreign Born Presidents?

[RavenWhitefang]

Associated Press | September 16 2004

WASHINGTON – Schwarzenegger for president in 2008? No, he’s not eligible. Born in Austria, he’s barred by the Constitution. But that would change under an amendment introduced Wednesday by a fellow California Republican. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher’s proposal would allow anyone who’s been a U.S. citizen for 20 years to run for the nation’s highest office. That would include Arnold Schwarzenegger – bodybuilder, movie star and now governor of California. Schwarzenegger, who became a citizen in 1983, has said he supports amending the Constitution so foreign-born citizens can run for president. But he’s sidestepped questions about whether he might run, saying he’s focused on California.

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This opens up future possibilities.

[MetalMilitia]

Section One of Article II of the U.S. Constitution establishes the requirements one must meet in order to become President. The president must be a natural-born citizen of the United States (or a citizen of the United States at the time the U.S. Constitution was adopted), be at least 35 years of age, and have been a resident of the United States for 14 years.

And as for "Arnold for President"

I am not for changing this part of the constitution. Screw Techinicalities - If you want to hold the most powerful office of the US you should be a natural born citizen.

First off, He is on the record making racist statements.
I won't get into the details - just read some of the comments he made during his body building days. Using language offensive to blacks and whatnot.

Then, there is the fact that his father was a member of the Nazi Storm Troopers.


The brief entry in one of millions of documents stored at the Austrian State Archives shows that Gustav Schwarzenegger, the late father of the film star now running for governor of California, was a volunteer member of the Sturmabteilung, or SA — the notorious Nazi storm troopers also known as brownshirts.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/2003-08-24-arnold-father_x.htm

He himself is quoted as saying ""I admire him for being such a good public speaker and for what he did with it." - Referring to Adolph Hitler.

So what did he do - He pulled what I call "the politician" . The offical definintion for what I call "the politician" is to somehow forget you ever said or did such things. "I cannot remember any of these statements"

No. No foreigners. He's a good actor, and a powerful governor, but I dont think an Austrian born US president is a good idea.

You wouldn't mind an Israeli - or a Canadian born citizen controlling the US population? How about somone from Russia or maybe someone from Australia?

Theres a reason thats in the Constitution - it's to avoid outside control. You may not fear outside control, but when I read about Israeli spies in the pentagon, possibly influencing our middle east policy, thats bad enough. Let's not put them into the most powerful office in the land.

-MM- :crs:

[RavenWhitefang]

Very true MM, i was thinking of the outside influences when i mentioned future possibilities. We could get screwed even more than we are now if we get someone who has lived a life of total communist politics who could get elected, it would be quite a strange scenario.

[AngelTV]

Very true MM, i was thinking of the outside influences when i mentioned future possibilities. We could get screwed even more than we are now if we get someone who has lived a life of total communist politics who could get elected, it would be quite a strange scenario.
But isn't that Democracy. The only way Arnie would get elected would be if he got the "majority" vote. That means the majority of ppl don't mind if he is Austrian born. You've got to love the system. I mean if the majority wants a communist (never happen) as President then start side stepping guys. Your Patriotism to keep control within the US is prejudice. What the US needs now more than ever is pro-international views towards there foriegn policies. Where your born has nothing to do with your ability to lead. Some of the greatest leaders of the world where born in foriegn countries. And are you saying that the past presidents have not been influenced and manipulated. Personally I think it is great and I wish to put my nomination forward for the 2024 presidential elections with my promise of more jobs, better medical care, better educational and lower taxes. God Bless America.

[DontBeAfraid]

Actually with the electoral college he could get it with as little as 28% of the vote.... I did a whole thing on it before the last rebirth of AO.

[Rynotek]

Is about 4 years of really good left wing militancy, Take Rumsfeld, Cheny, Rove and Ashcroft to the 4 corners of America and have them shot on public TV, then the same with your Captains of industry, a little bit of in house cleaning. The guy who does it may not be popular but it would surely shake up the system enough, sorta Pakistani style. After the 4 years instill democracy again and give it another lash, fek the elections wipe out your newly formed aristocrary. nuff said.

[Kohler]

If John Kerry wins the 2004 Election, and runs again in 2008... vs. Arnold, who would you vote for.

For some reason I don't think I could ever see Arnold being president after watching all those Terminator movies.

[lotrfan55345]

Thats hard call.

There are many foreign-born people who don't remember anything at all about their previous country. Like kids who immigrate w/ their parents since their 2.

Yet again, some person who immigrated to the US from a communist country in his 20's may be "interesting" if he becomes elected. But I doubt that people would vote for him anyway.

A foreign-born president may be a very good influence for the country, like some guy from Norway, which is acountry that puts much emphasis on the environment may bring in good but foreign concepts like permanents environmental regulation that works. Also, like Mass-transit for the majority of the people and the end of "Suburbia".

"Commie"

[VegasRonin]

I think the constitution should be amended to allow non-native Americans to run for President. Its not like they could become a Dictator overnight. We have a system of checks and balances in place to prevent this from happening. Now if they tried to slip in longer term limits then I'd be against both. It is a blatant attempt to get Shwarzenegger into office, that's evident. The Republicans don't think they have anyone that can run against Hilary in 2008. Arnie would be okay though. He's a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. About his past, people can change. I used to be racially militant but I'm not any longer. My Great Grandfather was a member of The Nazi Party as well but he loved the hell out of me (He defected and came to America). So people can change. For those of you don't know yet, I'm of mixed ethnicity but basically I'm a Black Dude.

[MetalMilitia]

I understand this person of a foreign born nature would have to be nominated and go through the electorial process, but in order to be the AMERICAN president - or the leader of AMERICANS - I think you should have to be born here. Plain and simple.

Theres a reason our founding fathers threw that little peice in the constitution - like I said it's outside influence. While a child may not remember their original homeland, somone like Arnold sure does. People can change - I admit it - but having somone who was born outside of America, controlling Americas policies is a dangerous situation. Think about it.

Off Topic Rant from a previous post :

It doesn't matter much anyways - Growing up in a land of opportunity, where you are constantly told "every child could be the pnext president" is absolute rubbish anyways.

Trace the path of the last few presidents, and see what they all have in common. Money, family, and pre-existing connections.

A better example would be Bush vs Kerry.

Think about it this way : It is no coincidence that both Kerry and Bush are (long long long) distance cousins and (both) members of Yale's tiny secret (but seeming unacknowledged) society, "Skull and Bones". What are the odds that a tiny secret society (what's the secret?) with about 800(?) living members could produce both the Republican and Democratic candidates for the office of the Presidency?

What are the f*cking odds?

Keep in mind, the USA has some 280 million citizens in it.

It all adds up to the US being dominated by a few dozen seemingly interrelated families, and close school/sociatal ties within that group.

What are the odds of a hard working, ambitious, regular American citizen ever becoming President, let alone running against another American citizen from the other political party whom he happens to be related to, attended the same schools, and was involved in the same social 'groups.'

Only the elite have the chance for that. The billionaire bastard children.

Power isn't attained through a few connections over the course of years.

Power is handed out by those who already have it, just like the |<ing sends out his p4wn$ in a game of chess. So, after all this time, the pre-existing power brokers spread out their power by entrusting it into the hands of certain people... mainly their institutions and families. Their power is on loan from the real centers of Power. You tell me who that is.

I'm done now. Just another reason why even if the law were changed it wouldn't matter much.

[VegasRonin]

I'm done now. Just another reason why even if the law were changed it wouldn't matter much. Exactly MM. Those that are presented to us as our leaders are just the front puppets. The puppet masters operate behind the scenes. When/if the puppets fail to go along with the program, they get eliminated.

[lotrfan55345]

I'm foreign born!

Most people in the PTB are white americanos anyway, so theres really no point...