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LC Jeffries
Sep 22nd, 2004, 1:15 PM
The UN is sending members to my state and several others to monitor our Elections. I like Colon Powell, but I don't like this.

THE NEW WORLD DISORDER
Foreign election observers arrive in U.S.
Team looking for evidence of 'disenfranchisement'

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Posted: September 20, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern



© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

WASHINGTON – The foreign election monitors invited to observe the 2004 presidential elections by Secretary of State Colin Powell are not the only members of an international delegation in the U.S. for the purpose of examining the political process in action this fall.

In addition to the delegation from the Vienna-based Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, a 55-nation body that encourages all member countries to observe each others' elections, a team of 20 independent "democracy experts" from 15 countries and five continents has arrived in the United States to observe this year's presidential election campaign.


The election monitors, invited by the San Francisco activist group "Global Exchange," will be deployed in five states watching for evidence of "disenfranchisement."

The five states include Florida, Ohio, Arizona, Missouri and Georgia, according to Global Exchange. Florida was selected due to the controversy that erupted there in the 2000 elections; Georgia because it is one of only two states where voters will use only touch-screen voting machines. Arizona was picked because elections there are publicly financed, while Missouri was the scene of widespread reports of Republican efforts to suppress the black vote in 2000. Ohio was also of interest because it is expected to be one of the most hotly contested battleground states in this year's election.

"The potential for minority and specific groups to be disenfranchised, that's certainly ... a concern that needs to be closely looked at," said David MacDonald, a former minister of communications and secretary of state in Canada, to OneWorld.net.

Several of the Global Exchange observers stressed that U.S. officials should not be offended by their presence.

"I think it's productive that America should also invite observers because, if we judge ourselves, we wouldn't be judged," said Damaso Magbual, deputy secretary general of the National Citizens Movement for Free Elections in the Philippines. "We may think we are the best, (but) it's always best to have others see to have others see it from an outside perspective, to find out how things are."

Global Exchange said the delegation marks the first major effort by a non-governmental organization to monitor U.S. election processes.

"In all places, there is a need for sharing experiences, and there is always room to improve," said Horacio Boneo, an Argentine professor who has taken part in electoral assistance and observation in more than 60 countries and is one of the United Nations' top advisers on elections.

Other observers, with similar qualifications, hail from Australia, England, Chile, Ghana, India, Ireland, Mexico, Nicaragua, Thailand, Wales and Zambia.

"Many of us in this room have worked for many, many years in different situations and in different countries," said Brigalia Bam, one of the observers who also chairs South Africa's Independent Electoral Commission at a press conference at the National Press Club. "It is that experience that has brought us to the United States." She said all elections should be assessed by the degree to which they are "responsive, transparent, and fair."

The Global Exchange group hopes to meet with local and state election authorities as well as with civic groups that are also involved in getting out the vote and ensuring a fair election.

State Department officials stressed that the OSCE delegation will not have the authority to assess the fairness of the vote, but it will be expected to issue a report on any problems or shortcomings as part of a new program for all OSCE members.

That invitation drew praise from more than a dozen Democratic lawmakers who had asked U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan to dispatch observers to the November elections earlier this summer.

In a letter to Annan, which the U.N. subsequently referred back to Powell, the lawmakers said they were concerned about the possibility of irregularities in the 2004 balloting.

"Given the deeply troubling events of the 2000 election, the growing concerns about the lack of necessary reforms and potential abuse in the 2004 election," the lawmakers wrote, "we believe that the engagement of international election monitors can be the catalyst to expedite the necessary reform, as well as reduce the likelihood of questionable practices and voter disenfranchisement on Election Day."

The congressional initiative to bring in foreign observers was spearheaded by Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson, D-Texas. She asked Powell to make an official request that the U.N. provide observers for the Nov. 2 elections in the United States to "ensure free and fair elections."

Previously, the 13 Democratic congressmen, led by Johnson, sent a letter July 8 to the U.N. general secretary requesting the presence of U.N. representatives in every county of the country during the voting process and any vote recount afterward.

The U.N. immediately responded that such a request could not be accepted unless it came from the U.S. government. Otherwise, a spokesman said, it could be considered "intervention in a country's sovereignty."

Besides Johnson, the congressional signers to the original U.N. letters included Julia Carson of Indiana, Jerrold Nadler, Edolphus Towns, Joseph Crowley and Carolyn B. Maloney, all of New York, Raul Grijalva of Arizona, Corrine Brown of Florida, Elijah E. Cummings of Maryland, Danny K. Davis of Illinois, and Michael M. Honda and Barbara Lee of California.


I wonder how other coutries around the world feel about the UN monotoring their elections?

MetalMilitia
Sep 22nd, 2004, 3:01 PM
Uhm - How about it's a taste of our own medicine.

We cover other elections (at least ones that have stakes for the US) pretty tightly, so why is it so shocking to see others taking interest in ours. Every country in the WORLD could find something of interest or at stake in the US elections.

The American mainstream television news media, in whole and in part, has catastrophically failed the American people.

A team of 20 independent democracy experts from 15 countries and five continents has arrived in the United States in order to observe this year's presidential election campaign - Since we are the example of democracy, and we are trying to use FORCE to spread democracy - let them see how it's done.

:devsmoke:

-MM- :crs:

midnightsonblaze
Sep 22nd, 2004, 10:01 PM
It's not like the presence of the UN would matter one bit......the UN was bought out by the US years ago.....you think they have any authority over anything???

:devsmoke:

Later guys.....

Rynotek
Sep 24th, 2004, 7:03 AM
Maybe the UN worm is turning, If they find discrepancies i hope the penalty is execution

dutchie
Sep 24th, 2004, 8:52 AM
I'd say you Americans made a nice mess of your last elections.. It's a very common thing to be monitoring elections nowadays, especially when foul play is suspected... :burnin:


I wonder how other coutries around the world feel about the UN monotoring their elections?

Personally I wouldn't worry about a UN commity monitoring elections in Holland, Lori. If you're innocent, you've got nothing to hide... Isn't that the lame excuse they used in the USA when introducing certain new legislation not too long ago, hhmmm??? :sardonic:

Donsun
Sep 24th, 2004, 10:37 AM
The Un can monitor all they want they are not and never will influence this great nation. I think most americans have had enough of a useless UN who only passes judgement then does nothing to back it up. What a joke.

humanhybrid
Sep 25th, 2004, 12:31 PM
I think the jokes on you to think that to ignore the UN is constructive. Thats why Bush was ASKING United Nations help. We need leadership working with the world community not against it. We need leadership and truth " ANY WMD? Any biological agents? Thats why we need a vote for Kerry. We know what Bush has done and will do for the world and its not a safer place, now lets see what Kerry will do for a change. good day!

Rage_Garden
Sep 25th, 2004, 2:29 PM
Ill give you a dollar if Kerry turns out to be better than Bush :grin. IMO its like this, Bush is good at A but bad at B. Kerry will be terrible at A and, so he says, good at B. Is that better at all? Anyways the UN is welcome here I dont care, since when is America the only soverign nation? On top of that the small percentage of the human population living in America has the fate of the world in thier hands by choosing either a horrible leader or an idiotic one while ignoring the good ones. Its only for the better that the most important election possibly ever is at least watched over, but that wont changed the fact we are all screwed anyways.

humanhybrid
Sep 25th, 2004, 4:04 PM
Your probably right about Kerry, But we have seen and know what Bush will do, lets give Kerry a turn and dump him in another 4 years if he is as you say no diffrent. It certainly is worth a try ya know. good day!

Marajadex
Sep 25th, 2004, 4:18 PM
Your probably right about Kerry, But we have seen and know what Bush will do, lets give Kerry a turn and dump him in another 4 years if he is as you say no diffrent. It certainly is worth a try ya know.Another thought to remember is that Kerry is not the sole decision maker. The cabinet he brings with him is an influencing body. Kerry may not be much better than Bush... However his cabinet might very well be better.

LC Jeffries
Sep 25th, 2004, 7:53 PM
I'd say you Americans made a nice mess of your last elections.. It's a very common thing to be monitoring elections nowadays, especially when foul play is suspected... :burnin:



Personally I wouldn't worry about a UN commity monitoring elections in Holland, Lori. If you're innocent, you've got nothing to hide... Isn't that the lame excuse they used in the USA when introducing certain new legislation not too long ago, hhmmm???

Don't get me started on that, Dutchie, because I rave till the chicken's come home over that.

:btchn:

Happy :Bday: Babygirl. My Baby's 14 'sob' Love yah honey. Mom

humanhybrid
Sep 26th, 2004, 1:04 AM
Don't get me started on that, Dutchie, because I rave till the chicken's come home over that You mean to tell me Bush won the elections fair and sqaure? Is that with or without Jebs help? good day!

Marajadex
Sep 26th, 2004, 1:25 AM
I don't want to put words in LCJeffries mouth... but if I am not mistaken most of us who did not vote for Bush will rant and rave until the cows roost about how unfair the election was. Then again thoes who did vote for Bush will rant and rave until the moon turns blue about how unfair the election was. I just hope this years election will at least be considered fair and just. :devsmoke:

humanhybrid
Sep 26th, 2004, 10:56 AM
Marajadex, I did not vote for neither and being unbiased I can say that it was stolen. Thats why we will have monitors in certain key areas this election. Have a wonderful day! :toast:

dutchie
Sep 27th, 2004, 12:53 AM
...being unbiased...?!?

:sardonic:

humanhybrid
Sep 27th, 2004, 12:57 AM
Now Dutchie, Dont laugh, I resemble that! I mean resent that

dutchie
Sep 27th, 2004, 1:41 AM
...better laugh about it than cry about it...

When you haven't laughed a day, you haven't lived a day... (Dutch saying)

No, frankly, I think the USA deserves to be monitored after making such a farce out of the last elections. Just like some banana republic, where you KNOW things get screwed up. if you're not on top of it..

VegasRonin
Sep 29th, 2004, 12:02 AM
So what does/can the UN do if they find improprieties in the election? They can/will do nothing!

dutchie
Sep 29th, 2004, 12:52 AM
At least they'll turn the USA into the world's biggest laugh (again), always bragging about their liberty and democratic foundations...

And.. if - or should the word be "when"? - the elections get screwed up, the joke wil be neither on the UN, nor on me, but it certainly will be on YOU people. :ohmy:

VegasRonin
Sep 29th, 2004, 1:39 AM
The joke is already on us Dutchie. It has been for a very long time IMO. I'm not even going to vote this election. I see no positive difference between Kerry and Bush.

lotrfan55345
Sep 29th, 2004, 3:34 PM
The joke is already on us Dutchie. It has been for a very long time IMO. I'm not even going to vote this election. I see no positive difference between Kerry and Bush.

Don't you like Ketchup?

Rage_Garden
Oct 3rd, 2004, 12:50 AM
The joke is already on us Dutchie. It has been for a very long time IMO. I'm not even going to vote this election. I see no positive difference between Kerry and Bush.

Then vote for a thrid party at least, Nader is a good place to start. I think he has alot more popularity than what the polls show, if he had a higher rating in the polls more people would go to him but the polls are faked, at least thats what I think. Would you vote a good canidate over Kerry if he/she had a 2 percent popularity rating? How about a 15 or 25 percent? Im just dreaming but theres others out there. It's just too bad your labeled a communist when you don't support corperations.

dutchie
Oct 3rd, 2004, 2:10 AM
I agree.. Not voting at all is waiving your rights: don't sulk when you don't like the next administration, because you have cooperated in putting it there. Indeed vote for a third party.

VegasRonin
Oct 6th, 2004, 7:32 PM
Nope! I refuse to vote for a lesser evil, which is exactly what it would be doing. Like I said, there's nobody out there that I feel would have a positive influence on National or International policy/events. The events that are going to take place in the next 2 years have been planned for many years. It doesn't matter who's in office.