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lotrfan55345
Sep 22nd, 2004, 9:40 PM
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Wednesday, September 22, 2004
If America were Iraq, What would it be Like?

President Bush said Tuesday that the Iraqis are refuting the pessimists and implied that things are improving in that country.

What would America look like if it were in Iraq's current situation? The population of the US is over 11 times that of Iraq, so a lot of statistics would have to be multiplied by that number.

Thus, violence killed 300 Iraqis last week, the equivalent proportionately of 3,300 Americans. What if 3,300 Americans had died in car bombings, grenade and rocket attacks, machine gun spray, and aerial bombardment in the last week? That is a number greater than the deaths on September 11, and if America were Iraq, it would be an ongoing, weekly or monthly toll.

And what if those deaths occurred all over the country, including in the capital of Washington, DC, but mainly above the Mason Dixon line, in Boston, Minneapolis, Salt Lake City, and San Francisco?

What if the grounds of the White House and the government buildings near the Mall were constantly taking mortar fire? What if almost nobody in the State Department at Foggy Bottom, the White House, or the Pentagon dared venture out of their buildings, and considered it dangerous to go over to Crystal City or Alexandria?

What if all the reporters for all the major television and print media were trapped in five-star hotels in Washington, DC and New York, unable to move more than a few blocks safely, and dependent on stringers to know what was happening in Oklahoma City and St. Louis? What if the only time they ventured into the Midwest was if they could be embedded in Army or National Guard units?

There are estimated to be some 25,000 guerrillas in Iraq engaged in concerted acts of violence. What if there were private armies totalling 275,000 men, armed with machine guns, assault rifles (legal again!), rocket-propelled grenades, and mortar launchers, hiding out in dangerous urban areas of cities all over the country? What if they completely controlled Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas, Denver and Omaha, such that local police and Federal troops could not go into those cities?

What if, during the past year, the Secretary of State (Aqilah Hashemi), the President (Izzedine Salim), and the Attorney General (Muhammad Baqir al-Hakim) had all been assassinated?

What if all the cities in the US were wracked by a crime wave, with thousands of murders, kidnappings, burglaries, and carjackings in every major city every year?

What if the Air Force routinely (I mean daily or weekly) bombed Billings, Montana, Flint, Michigan, Watts in Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Anacostia in Washington, DC, and other urban areas, attempting to target "safe houses" of "criminal gangs", but inevitably killing a lot of children and little old ladies?

What if, from time to time, the US Army besieged Virginia Beach, killing hundreds of armed members of the Christian Soldiers? What if entire platoons of the Christian Soldiers militia holed up in Arlington National Cemetery, and were bombarded by US Air Force warplanes daily, destroying thousands of graves and even pulverizing the Vietnam Memorial over on the Mall? What if the National Council of Churches had to call for a popular march of thousands of believers to converge on the National Cathedral to stop the US Army from demolishing it to get at a rogue band of the Timothy McVeigh Memorial Brigades?

What if there were virtually no commercial air traffic in the country? What if many roads were highly dangerous, especially Interstate 95 from Richmond to Washington, DC, and I-95 and I-91 up to Boston? If you got on I-95 anywhere along that over 500-mile stretch, you would risk being carjacked, kidnapped, or having your car sprayed with machine gun fire.

What if no one had electricity for much more than 10 hours a day, and often less? What if it went off at unpredictable times, causing factories to grind to a halt and air conditioning to fail in the middle of the summer in Houston and Miami? What if the Alaska pipeline were bombed and disabled at least monthly? What if unemployment hovered around 40%?

What if veterans of militia actions at Ruby Ridge and the Oklahoma City bombing were brought in to run the government on the theory that you need a tough guy in these times of crisis?

What if municipal elections were cancelled and cliques close to the new "president" quietly installed in the statehouses as "governors?" What if several of these governors (especially of Montana and Wyoming) were assassinated soon after taking office or resigned when their children were taken hostage by guerrillas?

What if the leader of the European Union maintained that the citizens of the United States are, under these conditions, refuting pessimism and that freedom and democracy are just around the corner?

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lotrfan55345
Nov 2nd, 2004, 4:34 PM
I liked this article - doesn't anyone else? Its good rhetoric.

midnightsonblaze
Nov 2nd, 2004, 5:45 PM
LOTR....great post....

The thing is I wish the media would do something like this....but they wouldn't. I bet 99% of the American population take what they have for granted....

Sometimes......people need to step back and try to put themselves in someone elses shoes......it may make them a better person....

Later.....

MetalMilitia
Nov 2nd, 2004, 6:18 PM
Ya if the roles were reversed people would be taking up 'insurgent' tactics when an airstrike took out half of their family and friends. Fundamentally, I don't beleive the Iraqi people are evil - and you can make whatever argument you want for the "islamist terrorists", but many times I see it happening like this.

You have the base supporters (Iraqi Resistance/Insurgents.. .whatever) who were against the US taking control of their country for whatever reason. Then, Every day, when someones wife, friend, child is killed by american forces in what we deem "colalteral damage" you generate new resistance - people who may have even BACKED the US the day before, but were dealt a horrible twist of fate. They, and all the other friends / family members of the ones who were killed (over 100,000) have probably jsut switched sides - and no longer trust the American good guys.

What would you do if your family was wiped out in an airstrike or had heard of people torturing your friends... would you just stand around? Methinks not.

The fact that in Iraq more innocent people are killed in a week or two than in the September 11th attacks (which they weren't responsible for) is a damn tragedy. While we may be trying to do the right thing, the tactics aren't working... and these people (and our own) are paying for it.

If it were America having its innocent people, women and children, killed on a daily basis - no way in fucking hell would we just sit there with our thumbs up our asses. We would be doing the same damn thing that a lot of these people are probably fighting for.

dutchie
Nov 3rd, 2004, 1:03 AM
Iraq is a long way from the average American's bed... I think for most the war is something surreal.

stewey
Nov 3rd, 2004, 5:37 PM
The only thing wrong with that article, is when taking ratios into account, you cannot use direct population ratios when converting a new ratio. You must use population density, which is people per square unit.

Iraq has more people per area than America, so I guess that kills this article.

This is my second major if you didn't know.

lotrfan55345
Nov 3rd, 2004, 7:48 PM
The only thing wrong with that article, is when taking ratios into account, you cannot use direct population ratios when converting a new ratio. You must use population density, which is people per square unit.

Iraq has more people per area than America, so I guess that kills this article.

This is my second major if you didn't know.

The cities are where most of the action happens in, right? America has larger, densly packed megacities (10million+)like New York, LA, San Fran, DC, Chicago, e.t.c. Baghdad is the largest city in Iraq, correct? It 'only' has a population of 5 million. America has 8 (i think) cities with over 10 million in the metropolitan area. (not just the city itself)

With that aside, would you still want a foreign army coming in, invading, destroying infastructure all the while muslim (Christian in America) fanaticals doing the same thing. Would you want your cities to be as dangerous as Bagdhad, Tikrit, e.t.c. ? I dont really see how that kills the article completely. I would still feel as bad if it was in the same scale in the US.

Treehugginhippy
Nov 4th, 2004, 3:50 PM
Im not sure what to make of this. The figures and scenarios are worrying. It certainly put what I knew into perspective. The problem is, do enough people have access to this kind of information? Nope.