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dutchie
Oct 6th, 2004, 6:26 AM
What did you think of the debate?
I liked it!! It was more aggressive than Bush vs. Kerry, and better fun to watch.
In my opinion it ended in a tie, both participants were quite good. But the issues at hand are starting to bore the hell out of me... :ohmy:
Edge
Oct 6th, 2004, 6:47 AM
I only caught enough of it to see that it had more meat to it. That said the whole issue behind Iraq is old and can't really be taken any further except for the removal of troops at some stage in the near future, or at least the removal of some armed forces. Then again its American politics and I can't even stand our elections which are happening this weekend. I hate the advertising campaigns that they all run - so tedious.
Moishe3rd
Oct 6th, 2004, 11:14 AM
To quote James Lileks from the Bleat:
But mostly I hate the debates because I simply cannot abide hearing certain statements I’ve been hearing over, and over, and over again. I can’t take any more talk about bringing allies to the table. Which ones? Brazil? Mynmar? Microfrickin’nesia? Are there some incredibly important and powerful nations out there whose existence has hitherto escaped me? Fermany? Gerance? The Galactic Order of the Belgian Dominion? Did we piss off the Vulcans? Who? If we mean “France and Germany,” then please explain to me why the reluctant participation of these two countries somehow bestows the magic kiss of legitimacy. They want in? Fine. They don’t? Fine. At this point mooning over France is like being that sophomore loser dorm pal who spent his dateless weekends telling his loser roommate about a high school sweetheart who stood him up for the prom. Give it up. Move on. I understand; they are wise and nuanced, we are young and dumb. We’re the cowboy leaning with his back against the bar, elbows on the rail, watching the door; we need our European betters to teach us how to ape the subtle forms of Nijinsky, limbs arrayed in the exquisite form of the Dying Swan. Understood. But I don’t want to be the Dying Swan. And I don’t want posture lessons from a country that spent the last 20 years flopping on its back and grabbing its ankles when Saddam showed up waving stacks of Francs in exchange for bang-sticks. Don’t you think I know about France’s relations with Saddam? Surely the advocates of the French Touch must know, and don’t care. Or they don’t know – in which case their advice is useless.
Germany? Whatever.
And it took lots of dead Americans to be able to say that.
Also dead Russians. Is Russia the great ally we’ve dissed? If we invite Russia to help, then we have to tell them things. I don’t want to tell them things. At least as they relate to the battlefield.
Perhaps the “ally” is that big blue wobbly mass known as the UN, that paragon of moral clarity, that conscience of the globe. You want to really anger a UN official? Tow his car. Short of that you can get away with anything. (Sudan is on the human rights commission, to cite a prominent and amusing detail. It’s like putting Tony Soprano on the New Jersey Waste Management Regulation Board.) I don’t worry that the UN is angry with us. I’d be worried if they weren’t. And I find it interesting that someone who would complain about outsourcing peevishly notes that we hired <psycho screeching strings> HALLIBURTON </strings> to do the work instead of throwing buckets of billions to French and German contractors who sold them the jets and built the bunkers.
I’ve been hearing this shite for years! That’s why I can’t stand the debates! ENOUGH WITH FRANCE AND GERMANY!
(pause; huffing into a plastic bag to restore blood chemistry)
And another thing: the idea of a summit with the Muslim world doesn’t particularly billow my sails, either.
So Osama is using our invasion of Iraq to recruit new troops? First of all, you know this how? We have a tape of OBL holding up a copy of 2004 TV Guide Fall Season edition to verify the date, declaring a new and improved jihad? Second, do you think a summit in which the various satrapies of the Middle East and elsewhere convene for a marathon bitchfest about Gaza is going to make America beloved in Sadr City? They want us to extend a hand, yes, so they can lop it off. Ah, but what of the moderates. Those who have been turned against us because we threw out the Taliban and deposed Saddam – the relentlessly secular Saddam, as we’re often reminded. If it hasn’t occurred to these folks before, let me spell it out plainly: if you think there’s a war against Muslims now, you lack a certain sense of perspective. If tiptoeing around sacred sites and taking special care to pick off the snipers hiding in mosques so as not to disturb the plaster is a war against Islam, you will be looking for new terms when Putin drops a big bag of hammers somewhere someday. Surely the alienated moderates must be asking: the United States could destroy the madmen, completely. Yet they do not. Why?
Good question, eh?
Enough with the frickin's Allies already.
Marajadex
Oct 6th, 2004, 1:42 PM
I saw a good part of the debate but I was doing homework at the same time. The thing that caught my attention was the question to Edwards about gay marrage. I thought his answer was very good and the way Cheney responded to him was wonderful. They seemed to share a moment of actual concern for the issue rather than an attack on each other.
There was a point where Cheney called Edwards to the carpet about his attendance in the senate. That was pretty harsh.
Edwards called Cheney on the "Not being totally open" with the public.
All in all I think it was a tie. Much better than I expected. I have to say Cheney is a much better speaker then Bush.
CELL
Oct 7th, 2004, 1:25 AM
After I watched the debate between these 2...I realized that this election comes down to "should i vote for my right or my left hand?"
This debate made it glaringly clear that both the democratic party and the rebublican party care about NOTHING else but getting elected/reelected...I gaurantee...all the big campaign promises will quickly disappear after january and the true agendas will be rolled out (as always)
i'm voting for a third party this year...i'm tired of having my opinions fed to me by these 2 all encompassing umbrellas
this debate was a joke....really
edwards would attack "mr vice president...it's black"
cheney would counter "no, young buck...its white"
back and forth with the lies...are we REALLY supposed to take Bush/Cheney and Kerry/Edwards seriously?
dutchie
Oct 7th, 2004, 1:29 AM
To quote James Lileks from the Bleat:
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Enough with the frickin's Allies already.
So the one with the biggest mouth has your trust?
I thought the cowboy comparison was right on the nail. :Bott: :Blbl:
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