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Monad
Oct 26th, 2004, 4:37 PM
Hi people,

During the last 20 years I developed a new Mathematical theory, which is based on what I call: an included-middle reasoning.

Included-middle reasoning is:

The Art of interactions between independent opposites in non-destructive ways.

If we compare between the excluded-middle reasoning (which is the standard reasoning that standing in the basis of the standard language of mathematics) and Included-middle reasoning, we can find these major differences:

In an excluded-middle reasoning, two opposites are simultaneously contradicting each other, and the result is no-middle(=excluded-middle reasoning).

In an included-middle reasoning, two opposites are simultaneously preventing/defining their middle domain, and the result is a middle(=included-middle reasoning).

The goal of my work is to find a logical reasoning system, which can be used as a common basis for both our morality development and our technological developments.

And I am not talking about the biblical morality model, but on the idea of "power over nature" that is the basis of Descrates' and Bacon's philosophy.

This point of view is the basis of our modern technological civilization that is still directed by this "power over nature" idea, which can quickly lead us to a dead-end street of the history of our life on this planet.

Morality, In my opinion, is first of all our basic reasoning of natural balance with the fragile and complex phenomena of life on this planet, which we are part of it (whether we like it or not) and not "power over nature" of it.

If we achieve this goal, then I think that we improve our chances to survive the power of our technology.

I have found that included-middle reasoning has the properties to achieve this goal, after I developed some fundamental Mathematical works, which are based on its reasoning.

From this point of view, the mathematician's cognition abilities are taken as natural parts of the mathematical research itself, and this approach can be used to develop a gateway between his own morality development and his technical mathematical developments.

The main trigger behind this work is my interpretation to Drake's equation.

If we look at Drake's equation http://www.setileague.org/general/drake.htm we can find parameter L.

L = The "lifetime" of communicating civilizations, or in other worlds, if there is no natural catastrophe in some given planet, then how some civilization survives the power of its own technology?

If we look on our civilization, I think that we cannot ignore L and in this case we should ask every day "how we survive the power of our technology?"

My work for the last 20 years is one of many possible ways to answer this every day question.

Though my research I have found that if some civilization has no balance between its morality level and its technological level, then there is a very high probability that its L= some n , or in other words it is no longer exists.

Now, let us look at our L and let us ask ourselves: "Do we do all what we have to do in order to avoid some n?"

Most of the power of our technology is based on the Language of Mathematics and its reasoning, where the current reasoning is generally based on 0_XOR_1 logical reasoning, and there is nothing in this reasoning which researches the most important question which is: "How do we use this powerful Language in order to find the balance between our morality level and our technological level"?

If our answer is: "The Language of Mathematics has nothing to do with these kinds of questions", then in my opinion we quickly bring ourselves to find the exact n of our L.

In my opinion, in order to avoid the final n of our L, we have no choice but to find the balance between our morality level and our technological level within the framework of what is called the Language of Mathematics.

Furthermore, we should not leave this question to be answered beyond the framework of our scientific methods, because no other framework, accept our scientific method can really determinate the destiny of our L.

My work can be found in http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheo...ry/CATpage.html (http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/CATpage.html) and it is hard to follow especially for professional Mathematicians that most of their reasoning is based on the excluded-middle reasoning.

Anyway I would like to share with you my work and I'll be glad to get any detailed questions, comments and insights.

Thank you,

Doron

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My goal is to fulfill the dream of the great mathematician Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz ( http://www.andrews.edu/~calkins/math/biograph/bioleib.htm )

Actually my number system ( which some arithmetic of it can be found in http://www.scienceforums.net/forums/showpost.php?p=76489&postcount=20 ) is the fulfillment of Leibniz's Monads, and beyond it.

marglarg
Oct 26th, 2004, 7:25 PM
My work can be found in http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheo...ry/CATpage.html (http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/CATpage.html) and it is hard to follow especially for professional Mathematicians that most of their reasoning is based on the excluded-middle reasoning.


This is no pun on your work Monad, but what difference do you think your work will really make to the world if even professional mathematicians are going to have a hard time understanding it?

Also, in what way is it advantageous over existing theories and frameworks? In laymans terms please.

Once again, I'm not debunking your work, it's just that it seems you are describing a lot of your ideas on a high level and I can't seem to grasp what application it will really have to real world situations.

Can you perhaps give a brief summary regarding the application of your ideas to a real world situation?

Keeblergiant
Oct 26th, 2004, 10:31 PM
From what he's said on other forums, the reason why he can't get published in any mathematics journals is because no one understands is ideas...I think it is because his ideas are unoriginal and are basically just a new notation for previously known knowledge...

But, continuing with marglarg's post, I too want to know what is advantageous about your mathematics? Can we have an example?

Monad
Oct 28th, 2004, 6:55 PM
I am not talking about technological developments at the first stage, because my system needs to rebuild its software/hardware architecture from scratch, and only then it can be used in efficient scientific ways.

At the first stage I am talking about the meaning the words “logical reasoning”.

In my opinion the first meaning of these two words is the method that reinforces the probability of the existence of its inventors/users.

Since we are non-trivial forms of complex systems, this method MUST clearly and simply include within its domain, methods that reinforce the probability of the existence of non-trivial complex systems, which can be developed according to it, (at least) without reducing their non-trivial complexity in the long range.

After 2500 years of using False_XOR_True logical reasoning, we find ourselves few steps from self distraction, which is a clear failure of this logical reasoning, that says nothing about our own existence.

Included-middle reasoning is the right answer in this crucial time, because its users are first of all learn to cherish non-trivial complexity right from the first stages of their education process.

For example, the concept of a number is not based anymore only on the quantity concept, but on the non-trivial ordered symmetrical degrees that can be found within any given quantity.

In other words, the quantity concept alone is too weak to give an accurate information about elements that are based on an indivisible combination between the Structure and the Quantity concepts, or in other words, the Natural number is not less then a Structural/Quantitative element, which is totally depends on our own cognition abilities as non-trivial complex systems, in order to be defined.

Young children’s cognition will be exposed from the beginning to understand and cherish their own non-trivial complexity, and they will be grown to adults that do their best in order to develop their own internal/external environment according to this logical reasoning.

In my opinion this is a must have step that any developed civilization should take, in order to exist and flourish.

About Included-middle logical reasoning, please read:

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showpost.php?p=1926183&postcount=13

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showpost.php?p=1926228&postcount=14

http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/CompLogic.pdf


A test that shows the advantage of - and + operations in an included-middle logical reasoning framework, can be found in pages 22-29 of http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/My-first-axioms.pdf

Thank you.

Keeblergiant
Oct 28th, 2004, 7:27 PM
So, you can't give us anything about it's advantages nor can you give us examples? Hhhmmm...

lazserus
Oct 28th, 2004, 8:08 PM
So, you can't give us anything about it's advantages nor can you give us examples? Hhhmmm...
That would prove more or less useless except for the originator of the formula.

Monad
Oct 29th, 2004, 4:18 AM
So, you can't give us anything about it's advantages nor can you give us examples? Hhhmmm...

So, you simply ignored post #4, Hhmmmm..... I wonder why?

Godsgifttomankind
Nov 7th, 2004, 5:31 PM
This is amazing, I am surprised that you all missed the point of it.

Let me see if I can explain the just of it.

In order to have balance between two opposites there needs to be focus and learning in the field of middle logic. In the field of technology or scientific gain there is an opposite which is morality or sometimes called religious law. These two fields which can be seen as being in opposition when approached using middle logic are complementary. Technology has a two fold face one that can aid and encourage the advancement of civilization and the other that can lead to it's destruction or demise.
Morality has a similar two fold face but opposite to technology, controlling the safe advancement of society or repressing and stagnating that process.

They are like two fingers of the same hand when approached using middle logic and provide a safe means by which society can advance and flourish.

His Faithful Servant

David.

Keeblergiant
Nov 7th, 2004, 9:20 PM
I didn't miss the point...it was a stupid point that did not show me anything that was new or advantageous. I was reading something on his logic a while ago, and came across an example that used the wave-particle duality of the photon. Didn't give any new insight. Didn't help with any computations. Didn't do anything.

Monad
Nov 11th, 2004, 1:28 PM
Didn't give any new insight. Didn't help with any computations. Didn't do anything.

So, you have the property to be stacked in the past, and then of course you cannot be opened to any new idea that can be developed from this point forward.

Monad
Nov 11th, 2004, 1:37 PM
This is amazing, I am surprised that you all missed the point of it.

Dear Godsgifttomankind,

I am not surprised, because (like the eye) the cognition has the tendency to exclude itself as one of its explored elements.

You can be amazed when you realize how many people cannot include themselves as part of their explorations, and this is a direct result of the western "external/objective" approach to any examined subject, which reinforces the cognition's tendency to exclude itself from the exploration process, by using the school of thought of, so called, "external objectivism".

Platonism, Formalism and Logicism, are the most typical schools of thought, which basically use Excluded-Middle logical reasoning as their main method.

This Black_XOR_White method simply ignores the non-trivial complexity of the real "colored" existence within and around us, and the result is the unclosed gap between our morality development and our technological development.

In other words, the technology concept should be expended in order to include wise methods that can find the balance between our morality levels and our physical-only technological skills.

At the first stage, I try to see if it is possible to construct a comprehensive Mathematical framework that can "Enjoy the best of each school of thought" (http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/TheBestOf.pdf).

Keeblergiant
Nov 11th, 2004, 4:09 PM
So, you have the property to be stacked in the past, and then of course you cannot be opened to any new idea that can be developed from this point forward.

You cannot move forward without a push...and your concept doesn't provide the push needed for progress.

Monad
Nov 11th, 2004, 6:23 PM
You cannot move forward without a push...and your concept doesn't provide the push needed for progress.

Living things has some beautiful property, thay have inner motivations, which prevent the use of some external force that can pull or push them.

Keeblergiant
Nov 11th, 2004, 6:51 PM
Yet your mathematics cannot be considered a living organism...

Monad
Nov 11th, 2004, 9:22 PM
Yet your mathematics cannot be considered a living organism...

Since my mathematics is based on our cognition abilities to create it, as an inherent part of the mathematical research itself, it can be considered as a living organism...

Please read http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/GaloisDialog.pdf in order to understand it.

Keeblergiant
Nov 11th, 2004, 10:51 PM
No, it's not a living organism. I don't know what happens over there in Never-Neverland, but over here in the real world mathematics are not living organisms.

Monad
Nov 12th, 2004, 3:05 AM
So, you did not read http://www.geocities.com/complementarytheory/GaloisDialog.pdf in order to understand my point of view about the language of mathematics.



Since you prefer (again) to run after your own tail, then Bye Bye. :bye: