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Oct 29th, 2004, 7:58 PM
It sort of resembles a clip from "Weekend at Bernie's."
Al Jazeera has just played a tape of Osama bin Laden that refers to a recent event in Iraq. It was authenticated by "the government," though I'm not sure what agency. The tape lists a litany of complaints about the Bush Administration and highlights the motivation behind September 11. The US cable networks now have it.
I hope this helps sharpen your focus, America.
Bin Laden: U.S. Can Avoid Another Attack
My Way ^ | Razimus
Posted on 10/29/2004 5:28:09 PM PDT by Razimus
This is the 2nd al-qaida terrorist video to come out this week, both with the same message, fear, death, destruction, 'vote for Bush and die' is the basic scare tactic they are implying. I personally think this will backfire on al-qaida, they don't understand how Americans think. When someone tells us to do something, we don't like it, and we usually do the opposite just to spite them. It's similar with them cutting off the heads of our troops and demanding certain things or another head will roll. The president didn't compromise with the terrorists, if we give in to their demands, it gives them more incentive to do it again. In that video Osama basically 'promises' the states that don't vote for Bush will be safe from attacks. I wouldn't exactly count on Osama's word. Reminds me of the word of someone else...
"I do know that America will be safe [from terrorist attack] under my leadership," Kerry boasted to NBC "Today Show" host Katie Couric.
A skeptical Couric interrupted, "But can you really, Senator, make that guarantee in all honesty that America will be safe under all circumstances?"
Oct 29th, 2004, 9:13 PM
Didn't Osama say that neither Bush nor Kerry can protect us from further attacks? At least that was the interpretation I heard. I haven't seen video or transcripts in it's entirety but it would be interesting to see or hear what else was said. If anyone can direct me to a site that has the entire dialogue it would be greatly appreciated.
I heard clips from the video and I didn't hear Osama endorse any candidate must have missed that.
I do find it interesting that the man we are supposedly looking for has made another video mocking us, I guess Osama's not in Iraq either. :angel:
Oct 29th, 2004, 10:00 PM
Yeah, thats what he said.
You can find the transcript here : http://www.armageddononline.org/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1099087890&archive=&start_from=&ucat=3&
Jsut scroll down a ways.
You and I are trapped behind Homeland Security, hassled at airports, spied upon, frisked, and confined to "Free speech zones", while this latest Osama, clearly rested and healthy, goes where he will, into TV studios, and is able to send taunting video tapes with impunity.
When the Osamas of the world are free while we who pay the bills are prisoners, this must be counted a complete failure by the administration which claims so many extraordinary powers under the banner of the "war on terror".
Oct 30th, 2004, 1:08 AM
Great Post MM.
I had heard about the video but had not heard what he had said.
Oct 30th, 2004, 3:31 PM
Al Quaeda have been very quiet recently. Its only matter of time until the next major attack. By the way, what happened to the deadline given to European countries to pull out if Iraq? Bin Laden gave 3 months warning, then the deadline passed, and nothing...
I don't think Britain is a tactical target to hit. What is bombing the UK going to do? Tony Blair won't pull our troops out no matter what happens. When they hit Madrid, the spanish pulled out, so they might use that tactic in other countries...
I just had a thought; Al Quaeda bombed Madrid just a few days before their election, and the US elections are just a few days away, so Monday or Tuesday of this week would be the perfect time to hit the US... Im not trying to scare anyone, but it just seems logical. Then again, they have had plenty of other chances to hit, and have failed to, so i'd say the chances are pretty low.
Oct 30th, 2004, 8:49 PM
If they do attack, i dont belive it will be in the US, perhaps an embassy or something like that, lets hope its just another "fake" treat.
Oct 30th, 2004, 9:10 PM
You;d think this tape would HELP Bush regain support, but it doesnt look that way. The substance of the videotape is quite damning to the notion Bush likes to sell that he has been our great protector.
...And free people don't let go of their security contrary to Bush's claims that we hate freedom. He should tell us why we didn't hit Sweden for instance. Its known that those who hate freedom don't have dignified souls.... But we fought you because we are free people, we don't sleep on our oppression. We want to regain the freedom of our Muslim nation as you spill our security, we spill your security.
... But after we were so fed up, and we saw the oppression of the American Israeli coalition on our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind and the incidents that really touched me directly goes back to 1982 and the following incidents. When the US permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon with the assistance of the 6th fleet. In these hard moments, it occurred to me so many meanings I cant explain but it resulted in a general feeling of rejecting oppression and gave me a hard determination to punish the oppressors.....
He is claiming he was pissed for having the US interfere with middle east politics, plan and simple. No one questions the US and Israeli motives, we just assume they are "on the right side."
Another thing I hate is translations... who knows fure sure...
But even if it is real, doesn't it prove that Bush's war on terror is an ongoing failure, that Bush has spent nearly two hundred billion dollars and the lives of a thousand Americans without making the US signifigantly safer, that Americans are imprisoned behind TSA and HSA, under surveillance, frisked, searched, scanned, surveilled, locked in "Free Speech Zones" while "Osama" goes where he will?
Tell me that ain't crazy.
Oct 30th, 2004, 9:51 PM
Is it me, or in that transcript does Bin Laden come off as being innocent?
So is he trying to influence American's to vote for Kerry more then Bush... or does he hate both equally?
There will not be an attack on american soil... and if there is I would be very surprised.
Oct 31st, 2004, 12:45 AM
I didn't get the impression innocent. mmmmmmmmmm How about very presidential. lol. Maybe America is his Iraq and he wants to free us or something....(just a joke people don't take it seriously).
But he doesn't come off as the pyshcopath the media portrays him as. He seems to feel his position is as valid as ours.
He's a well educated man from a very affluent family, much like our president. Hell their daddies know each other...lol :wink:
Oct 31st, 2004, 1:07 AM
Has there been another terrorist attack on american soil since? No.
I'd reason the right side would be whatever side allows you to enjoy your western lifestyle, damned be the others. What, starving people in Africa? Wow that's a shame [chomp another bite out of your big mac].
I just came back from California a couple of weeks ago and I've personally never experinced this 'prision state' you so clearly speak of. Have you ever taken a plane out of your small town since 9/11? Or travelled out of state since? Perhaps I should considered myself lucky for not being frisked at every corner, or having secret service come question me at every location, bs, bs, blah.
I'd think he'd want Bush to win. I mean honestly, Bush is giving them the ammunition. He's a great asset to Osama, providing him with ever so more continous recruits and getting people to actually sympathize with Osama. Boohoo America was unjust to muslims( in this case), this justifys Osama's revenge on the great satan America and Israel and any nation allying themselves with them. Pfffft.
There could very well be another attack. IT's not as tight knit as one might be led to think, and which has been proven by some time and time again since 9/11.
I don't side with Bush at all, and am actually hoping Kerry wins to take power away from these crazed evangelical nuts, they already have control of mostly everything else. But I do believe Bush has the right notions in dealing with terrorism, he just has horrible handling of it. You can't just play wack a mole with every Osama that decides to pop up, you need to build an infrastructure that would ensure no more Osama's ever pop up.
Oct 31st, 2004, 3:14 PM
Nov 2nd, 2004, 9:04 PM
Where would the line be drawn to determine whether one is a terrorist? FABULOUS question!!! Even the American Indian Movement has been considered "terrorist" and certainly no one in the movement has ever bombed anything or mass murdered people or even built up a cache of arms.
The "worst" theyve ever done was take over the BIA building in the 70's and thank whatever that they did. It was during the removal of files and documents that it was discovered that the government had been secretly and forcibly sterilizing our women.
Sometimes, well placed anarchy is a GREAT thing.
Nov 2nd, 2004, 10:45 PM
The infrastructure I speak of isn't so much of developing a system in which if anyone crosses the "line" we arrest them etc. But rather instilling an infrastructure of idealism, perhaps a way of reforming Islam or something. Anything to change the thinking process of these people.
When people contain convinctions as strong as they carry, wiping them out isn't going to help in the long run.
Nov 3rd, 2004, 6:05 PM
Three months ago, I posted a message "Al Qaida", said that Bin Laden would issue tape when Bush needed. The prediction is awfully accurate. News of 10/29 said in a tape Bin Laden admitted he ordered 911 attack.
See the message I posted 3 months ago, notice the bold text:
Al Qaida: Bush's aid
Is that too conveinent to attribute everything to Al Qaida? Bali bombing in Indonesia, it's Al Qaida; Madrid bombing, it's Al Qaida; Nick Berg beheading, it's Al Qaida; Paul Johnson beheading, it's Al Qaida; Korean beheading; it's.....
Saddam and his high ranking officials were arrested or eliminated in their own land, show me Bin Laden or Al Zarqawi which does so much damage everywhere. But how can they survived in a land not theirs? (Bin Laden is not Afghanist, Zarqawi is not Iraqi) It only exists in media, in government propaganda, they use beheading case to wave people's indignation against Islamic people.
Who is Bin Laden? He was trained by CIA as "Freedom fighter", (now there is another name "terrorist") What he did always helped Bush to grasp more power and money and start war. When Bush needs something to raise his rate, Bin Laden would issue a tape on time to remind you he is still there that you need a leader in "war on terror". That's why he exists in media and government propaganda and never be captured.
Now they created another "Al Zarqawi" of Iraq. He played the same role of Bin Laden. He will arouse your hostility against Mid-east people and give Bush an excuse to stay in Iraq, prepare for more Mid- east war. That's the role of Al Qaida.
So next time when you ask "How can a rogue like Bush can stay in his second term?". The answer is "It's Al Qaida". This time the reply is correct and true. Only this Al Qaida is created by Bush himself and acted on Bush's behalf.
One was posted on 10/20, one was posted on 10/25, several days before Bin Laden's tape issued.
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